Cromvoirt Seen With Holloway

According to the New York Post. As an aside, before he left the case, Dompig was talking about someone claiming to have sold Natalee drugs. Whether that happenede or not, I don't know. But with the Dutch story linking GVC to drugs and allegedly Natalee's friends seeing GVC with Natalee, it could at least haver led to him telling that story to Dompig.

One long known rumor is that Natalee was smitten with a blue eyed Dutch  boy earlier in the trip. Some have alleged they spent one night together. But this doesn't really make sense, according to those rumors. He was described as Dutch military.

April 18, 2006 -- The Dutch teenager who's been detained in Aruba in the puzzling year-old Natalee Holloway case was seen with the Alabama honors student on the night she disappeared, her friends have told authorities.
Her pals also told officials that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, the 19-year-old arrested Saturday, spent time with Holloway earlier during her senior class graduation trip to the Caribbean island, a source close to the investigation said.

Aruban authorities are saying little about van Cromvoirt - in fact they haven't even released his name, only his initials.

It's difficult to know if the Post is reporting facts, or rumors, frankly. If this is coming from Tacapino, who I have spoken to - he seems like a decent guy. But his job is to get Joran off, not write a news account. Some information can definitely be buyer beware.

According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.

Comments

[TJ]

Nat seen with GvC at Holliday Inn after 3 AM: http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=829&forum_id=29&page=1

[nelson]

Here we go again lots of speculations

[truthbetold]

hmmm funny if this boys dad is in charge of the security tapes and could possibly erase any pictures of natalee with this guy funny how beth and jug went straight to him as soon as they arrived on th eisland no police no nothing just them, him and those tapes and automatically beth claims she found joran that way

[xxx]

Harry should have stuck to his statement about not posting on the blog.

So, just because it wasn't revealed to him who the girl actually swimming was, he jumps to the conclusion that it was Natalee, even though the statements said that the other girl came to shore and was not Natalee.

That sounds about right for him.

Apparently any kind of random speculation is okay as long as it does NOT include the idea that Joran or K2 might actually be guilty.

Any other perp or other scenario, lies or cover up story that strikes the blog world's fancy is okay.

[jon]

I suspect GVC was arrested for two reasons:

1) Create alternate suspect to make ALE look less bad for not being able to nail Joran

2) As bonus, fuel more trashing of Natalee with blue eyed Dutch boy rumor and speculation that she used drugs

They probably have just enough evidence to hold him for a few weeks at most, then he'll be let go

[Flora]

I think he was detained to provide fuel for JoeT's filing.

[xxx]

I would be shocked if they can keep him beyond 8 days, and you are probably right about bonus Natalee trashing.

But, honestly, if she was hanging out with this guy, wouldnt her family have known about it?

[justicefornatalee]

I find neither the NY Post nor Joe Tacopina credible.

[DennisAOK]

I find neither the NY Post nor Joe Tacopina credible.

Posted by: justicefornatalee | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:16 PM

Amen. Nor, apparently, Der Telegraaf.

[wreck]

The NY Post's "source close to the investigation" IS Joe T. The article says "Aruban authorities" are giving "little" information.

[Kelly3]

When Natalie first went missing didn't the chaperones report it to some kind of beach security and they never reported it to LE for hours??????

[jon]

But, honestly, if she was hanging out with this guy, wouldnt her family have known about it?

Posted by: xxx

You'd think so, altho I have been surprised at how bad Natalee's family has been at getting info from the MB kids. For example it shouldn't be hard for DH to find out who the kid was that shouted at Natlee to get out of the car, or if that kid actually exists, yet he said he doesn't know. If I were them I would have long ago contacted every MB kid on the trip and asked them to tell me evrything.

[xxx]

Jon,

I really feel that Dave has huge animosity toward Beth and maybe the entire Mountain Brook lifestyle that Natalee was leading. What other reason would he not have for sitting down with at least her best friend on the trip and one of the other roommates?

Wouldn't you want to hear directly from your daughter's friends how her last freaking four days on earth were? What she did, who she saw, how she seemed, what they thought happened? Even if you thought you might hear some things that shocked you, wouldn't you want to know as much truth as you could get?

The fact that Dave, as I remember, says he has't done this just seems weird...I think that both parents appear to a degree to be afraid of what they might find out..which I put down to the whole Christian/bible study mindset, which I most heartily disagree with.

[Ruddy]

Dan

You will be proved the fool you are.

[Janice]

As usual, this is only hearsay. As my husband was leaving for work tonite, he mentioned he heard on a tv news station that one NH's classmates was brought in for questioning today in connection with this case. Being that my husband has no interest in this story, he just mentioned it to me knowing how concerned I have been.

Did anyone else hear this?

Or should I just smack him when he gets home....?

Thanks,
Janice

[GSPatton]

Janice,

Not true

[charles-1]

At what hour does the hotel casino close? It would certainly not be open at the time (3 A.M.) she could have returned.

Its interesting to read, but how credible is the source (New York Post red.)De Telegraaf may have an sensational feel at times, but it's reporting on this case has used reliable sources (OM and ANP) and has been correct over the past year

[nelson]

I find neither the NY Post nor Joe Tacopina credible.

Posted by: justicefornatalee | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:16 PM

Amen. Nor, apparently, Der Telegraaf.

Posted by: DennisAOK | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:26 PM

The only thing you guys seems to find credible is when Beth says it is or Greta!!. A coin has to faces

[wreck]

De Telegraaf may have an sensational feel at times, but it's reporting on this case has used reliable sources (OM and ANP) and has been correct over the past year

Posted by: charles-1 | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 08:03 PM

well, then you HAVE to believe they are also correct that Joran and GVC are friends! That is in the same article.

[xxx]

No one in this case at this point is 100% credible.

[nelson]

All speculations to this point.

[kate]

"According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted."
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uh, holloway's friends have talked to the fbi and the fbi report claims natalee was last seen leaving c & c with the three boys.

could natalee's pals have said they saw cromvoirt with natalee at the casino after sloot left - as in late afternoon/early evening - all prior to their going to c & c's? is this a deception for ratings? or a flat out lie? i don't get the spin.

[bbunnybluebird]

"I think he was detained to provide fuel for JoeT's filing."

Posted by: Flora | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 07:05 PM

Flora,

I believe you have nailed it. Tacopina will protest the civil case advancing since the criminal case is still active AND pointing in a different direction than his client. This is nothing but more Aruba spin, hoping to deflect the spin to N.Y. because there is NO defense.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

What a load of crap. How many blonde blue eyed Dutch boys are there on that island ?

All the MB kids could have possibly met him.. depends if they went sailing.

Did any Dutch blue eyed boys wait tables when Natalee was there ? Fry em.

A source close to the case... either Julia or Joe T?

[ann]

With all the buzz today, I'm wondering if there are any of the cheezy news programs expected to discuss this tonight. Can anybody suggest what might be interesting to watch?

[raven]

this new punk suspect is "associated" w/Joran...you Joran fans wait and see

[DennisAOK]

The only thing you guys seems to find credible is when Beth says it is or Greta!!. A coin has to faces

Posted by: nelson | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 08:05 PM

A NY Post article last summer got many details wrong. They have a well deserved reputation for sensationalizing. Greta does some hyping, but I don't believe she has any preconceptions about what happened. I think like most of us, she moves a bit with each new detail that is revealed. Tacopina's interest and bias are self-evident. Beth is only interested in finding the truth. Probability is still high Joran caused Natalee's demise.

[DennisAOK]

xxx,

I agree with you that Dave thought the Aruban trip extravagant, but he acknowledged the kids were raising hell and expressed surprise to Larry King last week that Natalee would get so drunk that she would get into car with three guys she just met. His "Christian/Bible mindset" did not cause him to deny this. Also, he has great respect for the FBI, and knew they had quizzed the MB kids and that Beth had talked to them. I suppose he could have driven from MS to AL to hear it all first hand, but I can believe he felt it would not add much to his understanding of what happened.

[Wentworth]

The HI casino is open late, usually till 4 am or even later depending on traffic. Some casinos are open 24/7 but I think the HI was one of those that opened in the afternoon, but it definitely stayed open till at least 4 am.

[satchmo]

If GVC was known to the Mountain Brook kids, and if he is a drug dealer as the police claim, then that is quite possible the primary connection between them and him. This is also possibly one of the reasons that the MB kids are not being totally forthcoming.

One thing all parents should take from this is that kids lie when what they consider ok, and what their parents tell them is ok, is different.

If it turns out that Joran is innocent of anything but foolish lies to cover minor indiscretions, and his remark that Natalee told him she was Hitler's sister's daughter is then credible, this is certainly something that Beth will have a difficult time accepting as one of the last thought her daughter expressed about her.

[minnesota dad]

Just a deflection....

PAULUS IS THE PERPETRATOR....

Tacopina is planting news in the NY Post, Aruba is creating a phoney shill.

Its as simple as this:

J2K kidnapped the girl for Paulus
All three have their way with her
J2K give girl to Paulus
Girl refuses Paulus' advances
Paulus kills girl
Paulus goes to ATM
Paulus calls his buddies at the security company
Paulus asks for big favor
GVC told to dispose of the body by his dad
GVC chops up body on mattress getting DNA on mattress and Shirt
Sloppily, GVC discards shirt, sunglasses and cleaning materials
Sloppily, GVC does a poor job of disposing of body
Daddy's company must come in and recover and move the body (see Chicago video)
GVC is haunted by his participation in this.
GVC is the witness who called Dompig stating he cannot take it anymore.
GVC is the one who told of the burial in the Dunes (yes, the famed painted rocks area).
Aruba brings him in and charges him with drug dealing....and...they will be charging him with drug dealing & murder....if he doesn't "sing".
Further pressure placed on J2K/PAULUS with the release of Paulus hitting on Natalee at the casino.
GVC is currently singing.

Don't buy what Taco is saying. Its a deflection to get his client out on a technicality. The timing of which GVC was arrested appears to be a last ditch effort to clear Joran. Joran is the buffer for the true perpetrator - PAULUS.

Tired of following this case, but will continue to do so as it is so fascinating to see how a government executes a cover-up...I also feel the cover-up is beginning to unwind. Should be fun!

md

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Remember when news of this first broke. GVC was a friend of Steve Croes. Maybe he has information
that came to him via that source.
He was asked to come to the police station and went there under his own free will. During the questioning
something came up regarding narcotics. ??

They are going to use the narcotic to squeeze him for info.

[Wentworth]

This suspect will give something up. He was being protected by Domping.
The tenor of the news media is changing this week from the lynch J2K mentality to a more open inquisitive approach. BHT is still in denial about NH knowing GVC.

[FloridaPatty]

Can't blame Beth. She's been burned too many times and I can't say I wouldn't be equally caloused if I was in her shoes.

I do pick up a sense of enquiring minds now rather than flying rumors (but the media is trying) Give it up for crying out loud!!

Sister is a cop...hmmmmm.

The boys comes from money and he is of the priveledged Dutch. Again, DANG for the poor Aruban people. Dutch take over your island and leave it with atleast ARUBA as a name (or is that Dutch too?).

One can hope for truth.

[Wentworth]

John Q Kelly said in response to a question from Greta "Do you now know whether NH knew GVC prior to her leaving CCs that last night?" JQK said he knew the answer but couldnt reveal it. That tells me that she did know him prior thereto, which is in direct opposition to what BT said tonight. IF NH didnt know him, then he would have said so. Also said he expected other arrests and that KJ was upbeat about how the interrogation was going. finally he said that one of the reasons GVC was picked up was knowledge about his prior interactions with NH which again flies in the face of what BT said.

[Marilyn]

John Q Kelly said in response to a question from Greta "Do you now know whether NH knew GVC prior to her leaving CCs that last night?" JQK said he knew the answer but couldnt reveal it. That tells me that she did know him prior thereto, which is in direct opposition to what BT said tonight. IF NH didnt know him, then he would have said so. Also said he expected other arrests and that KJ was upbeat about how the interrogation was going. finally he said that one of the reasons GVC was picked up was knowledge about his prior interactions with NH which again flies in the face of what BT said.

Posted by: Wentworth | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 10:22 PM

Beth is in denial about many things that occurred on this trip, I believe. She has no way to state so catagorically that Natalee did NOT know this GVC... or many of the other things she alleges to know as facts. This is the same woman who denies receiving any calls from Natalee the entire time she was gone, which is in direct opposition to people on the island she discussed this with who have no reason to lie. Weird. I think she has become delusional and in complete denial. I have sympathy for her, but I think her mission to find Natalee has turned into a mission to hang Joran. Sure sounded like that tonight. She was a bit scary to me. She is hiding things she knows to be true and is refusing to believe things that reliable witnesses (including the MB kids) have told to the Aruban LE, the FBI, and investigators. I think she just doesn't want to hear anything about Natalee that doesn't live up to the high standards she had created for her... thus creating the Hitler's sister or whatever remark.

By the way, this is rumor only, but Dave Holloway was supposedly very opposed to Natalee going on this trip, and Beth overruled him. This, I think, explains a lot of the way he has reactd and responded to this very sad situation.

[Wentworth]

marilyn that is not a rumor; its in Dave's book; he opposed the trip and asked her not to go but NH and Beth overruled him.

[punkingale]

MinnesotaDad, You are very astute!!! I could not agree with your assessment of Natalee's disappearance more. Paulus is the one being protected.

[punkingale]

OMIGOD, I was finally able to pull up the pictures of GvC & Joran on photobucket!!!Is anybody on this blog brave enough to send the link to Taco Joe??? All week-end, when asked if Joran knows GvC, he states, quite emphatically, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! I think these pictures prove otherwise.

[sunlover]

Wonder if it is GVC DNA on the toothbrush?

[Marilyn]

marilyn that is not a rumor; its in Dave's book; he opposed the trip and asked her not to go but NH and Beth overruled him.

Posted by: Wentworth | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 11:14 PM

Thanks, Wentworth... I had been hearing it for awhile, but don't like to pass unfounded things along... Thanks for letting me know it is in the book, which I haven't read yet!

[chloe]

marilyn that is not a rumor; its in Dave's book; he opposed the trip and asked her not to go but NH and Beth overruled him.

Posted by: Wentworth | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 11:14 PM

Thanks, Wentworth... I had been hearing it for awhile, but don't like to pass unfounded things along... Thanks for letting me know it is in the book, which I haven't read yet!

I don't know what the rest of the book said but I just now finished reading the chapter called Everyone's Child at ABC News. In that chapter Dave said he told NH they could not give her their approval/blessing about going, saying it was too exorbitant for one thing, but that he would give her 1/2 the money the trip cost and she could use it for what she wanted. He did not tell her she could not go and he provided half the trip money but he did say they could not endorse it on their behalf.

[punkingale]

I'm going to spread what could possibly be a rumor, but what else do we have? Someone posted at ScaredMonkeys that the next two people to be arrested will be Dompig & Jacobs. Steve Croes will be arrested shortly thereafter.

[DennisAOK]

Marilyn,

Beth repeated last night that she has again spoken with Natalee's friends and they do not recognize GVC at all and deny Natalee had contact with him.

Natalee's cell phone did not work for calls back to the US, so they had no phone contact.

Who is delusional?

[Jody]

Beth is shutting the MB students up again. They did say that Natalee was with a blue-eyed, blond duchman and Linda Allison said that Beth told her Natalee called to say the same.

Beth is a liar who will do anything to save face and a lawsuit.

[dt]

Riiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt. What lawsuit will she face moron? Natalee did not call Beth and you can bet the FBI has looked at phone records and cell tower pings to see if any calls were made. You're the bitch that needs to be sued.

You're a complete idiot if you think Beth is controlling the MB students.

BTW, read the transcript from Greta, she never states that GVC, Joran, Steve Croes, and the Kalpoes definitely are connected she said they need to investigate IF they are connected someway. It's amazing the lies people will spew to make look Beth look bad.

[dt]

Marylin - Beth does have access to know whether Natalee knew this kid you twit over anybody else.....her friends who were on the trip with her have stated that Natalee didn't meet this kid.

[Florida Patty]

Beth confirms RUMOR RUMOR RUMOR last night after speaking to Natalee's girlfriends to double check if there was a blue eyed blonde she was "smitten" by.

NO.

[yankee-in-france]

Riiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt. What lawsuit will she face moron? Natalee did not call Beth and you can bet the FBI has looked at phone records and cell tower pings to see if any calls were made. You're the bitch that needs to be sued.

You're a complete idiot if you think Beth is controlling the MB students.

Posted by: dt | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 07:53 AM

Hey, dt, do you need an emergency appointment with your anger management counselor? It sounds like you are off the wall. Get help.

All this extra work at the keyboard is stressing you out and I forgot, what do they pay you, $7 an hour. It is sure taking its toll on your sanity.

[yankee-in-france]

Jody, I think enough of the MB kids have given the FBI and ALE the details on the blond haired, blue eyed boyfriend. Beth denies it and will continue to deny it. I don't think the talking heads are even looking to Beth for credible information any longer.