Natalee Holloway - Nothing Found At Sand Dunes

So much for that hot tip.

A Sylvania Township firm's search in Aruba for missing teen Natalee Holloway ended yesterday without clues to her whereabouts.

Police on the Dutch island were acting on a tip that Miss Holloway was buried somewhere in dunes in a beach area about the size of two football fields and needed some high-tech help.

Ground Penetrating Radar Systems of Sylvania Township donated an employee and its ground radar equipment to search the area after they were contacted by Don Wood, head of Child Watch in Orlando, through an Internet search.

"They got down there and searched beach areas and caves," Mr. Wood said.

Unfortunately, he said, nothing was found.

The company has volunteered its services for future searches, if needed, Mr. Wood said.

Update: From the mail bag:

According to a dutch newspaper 'The telegraaf' (The Telegraph) an
investigative team from the KLPD will assist the Aruban Police Department,
no comment was made (by a KLPD spokesperson) what the support would entail
or wether any members have already left for Aruba.

Comments

[nelson from NYC]

Grandma for once get your facts straight any country at all for foreign students going to study abroad there NO cover that the host country will put towards the tuition, I was one of those student and so are alot of other students studying abroad their parents or on their governments loan.

[nelson from NYC]

Posted by: grandmatini | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 07:20 PM

What does Joran's case has to do with SEPT11!!!. I lived through sept 11 also I live in NYC. I was a volunteer for the RED CROSS for 3 months and worked directly with the family members of the lost ones and also any people involved in this disaster. I learned from it, thats what has to be done in this when a disaster or tradegy happens we learn from it and we move on. We take measurements and precautions for the next level, we dont use it as an excuse to promote more hatred.

[Kat_Gram]

Hear hear . Well said Nelson.

Kudos to you ! !

I've read your posts before and you sound like a reasonable articulate intelligent person.

I however tend to be a DRAMA QUEEN ! !

[Ripley]

grandmatina , alias Granny TOAD,Grandma23,Gram

For you to compare Joran a seventeen yr old kid with no charges against him to Sept 11 and the terrorist who flew planes into buildings is beyond narrow minded, do us a favor you and your kids, stay in Canada.

[kate]

only in america would people send money to help a confessed liar who very well could have been involved in a plot to pin a crime on two innoncent people. i'm sure joe would be happy to pass along any love letters (aka scott peterson style). omg people, they own a castle in holland, they lived off holland's government for years, paulus even picked joran up from jail in a 350,000.00 car. medecine woman, if you are for real (i doubt it) send your tree hugging money to the guards. i know it shouldn't be, however this is the funniest thing i have seen all day. a trust fund for joran - lol.

[bbunnybluebird]

Myth,

I have some really, really bad news for you.

"If they get Convicted, then refuse there entry into both countries, but until then they have a right just like anyone else." WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

Nobody has a RIGHT to enter a sovereign country of which you are not a citizen. It is a privlege to receive a student visa, tourist visa, etc. Just because you are not a felon or a threat doesn't mean you have a right to visit a foreign country.

[Kat_Gram]

Ripley, Please do not confuse me Kat_Gram with anyone else. I said before that I only post under the one nik. Just because someone else has the same letters in their name doesn't mean that it is me. I did NOT compare Sept 11 to anything. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ! !

[Kat_Gram]

AND Ripley, THAT can be verified by the owner of this blog.

Move your cursor over the email addresses of the people you are confusing me with.

Sure, a person could have gmail, hotmail etc, but I have an email address of a service provider in Canada. I do have hotmail to receive / send email while out of Canada. Same name though.

I do not make racist comments nor do I bring up something as tragic as 9 / 11 in a blog that I am on mostly for my own whatever..

[Jan]

Ripley -- since I helped get this part going - here is the Paypal information in regards to Joran's defense fund!!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The law firm of Joe Tacopina has set up a pay/pal account for the defense fund.

Here is the information you will need - if you want to use pay/pal

info@tacopinalaw.com

[harold]

i just want trut come out

[Kat_Gram]

I just watched the whole thing on 48 hours.

I don't know about the she wasn't murdered part. I don't buy it because GP didn't back it up with anything substantive based in fact.

He also said that he believes that Paulus knows.

How do and when do you dig up a body,transport it somewhere else and then re bury it ? With no one seeing a thing ?

Where does this belief come from ?

The FBI profilers thought that Joran was a sociopath. And a compulsive or habitual liar.
Hmmmm. Cool. Paulus and Anita should be proud of their boy. Not only a sporter and a good tennis player, but a sociopath.

Poor Beth, she says she has " no hope ".
Any of us who are parents would be saddened by this.

[nelson]

Poor Beth also has to stop proclaiming that Aruba has done NOTHING in the search of her daughter!!. Poor Aruba I would say for having no credit whatsoever, just slaps in their faces for trying to solve this mystery.

[wreck]

You don't "panic" and bury an "accidental" overdose victim TWICE. No way -- No how. End of story.

[nelson]

they were only "SCENARIOS" he did not say that is what happened.

[wreck]

they were only "SCENARIOS" he did not say that is what happened.

Posted by: nelson | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 11:20 PM
Alien abduction is a "scenario" too. Just as likely.

[david1017]

Beth needs to look in the mirror. She and Jug and their bama gang set the tone from the get-go. It has hindered the investigation. Anyone with any objectivity knows that. I wonder what proof Dom has to cause him to conclude that NH and JVS did not go to the beach. He seemed fairly confident about that. It makes you wonder what evidence they have that the pundits dont know about.

[Skye]

There would not have been an investigation IF the family had not been on the island to insist that ALE investigate. They did not "hinder" the investigation, as you call it. I have no doubt that Aruba would have swept this case away a long time ago if not for the media and the family.

[nelson]

Skye what do you know of Aruba?? Even heard of it before this case?? I guess not so dont try to sound like you know what they would have done.
Well I'am off to bed have an early flight to catch to the ONE HAPPY ISLAND!!!! WOOOOHOOOOOOO.

[david1017]

skye you are delusional. how many missing person cases have you been involved in?
The Mtn Brook group violated a cardinal rule of youth group travel. They left one of their own behind. That just shows the irresponsibility that was evident on this trip, due to alcohol or other intoxicants or whatever. No way should NH been allowed to leave with three locals. We would not be having this discussion had that cardinal rule been disregarded. Does anyone really believe that NHs friends didnt wonder about her when she didnt show up at the HI by say 3 am? What did they do?

[mylena]

to bunnybird: As a citizen of the Netherlands, you do not need a visum or student visum to enter the States, there is a visa waiver program, you can stay up to three months. JvS does not have a criminal record so there is no reason to deny entry into the states if he wants too. He might be charged with a crime once he does ...

[mylena]

For skye: it seems you almost accuse that Aruba is responsible for this crime. It isn't in that respect it fell victim too.

[Almond]

If they get Convicted, then refuse there entry into both countries, but until then they have a right just like anyone else. Problem is their still is no proof they did anything wrong, other then lying initially.On another note everyone in this case has lied including the family of Natalee. Plus I wanted to say sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
Posted by: Myth | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 05:25 PM

What BS…three suspects have lied so much it is hard to distinct what is fact. Joran has no idea how he got home that night. Satish has no idea that he picked him up. Joran has told some serious lies. For example his left her "alone at the beach" story. The night Natalee’s parents show up at his house, and he willfully lies to them, citing the story Deepak (only his word that Deepak made that story up by himself) make up about the Holiday Inn. There could have been still evidence on the beach to help find a live Natalee, but no, he had to lie, and divert attention away from the beach, and by the time he told the so called truth, no evidences remained. She could have been killed within the first three days that she went missing and could have been saved if only he had told the truth to begin with. He claimed he lied to Natalee parents because he was scared, but had up to ten days to correct the lie, but chose not too. He was not being threaten in anyway within those ten days. His only contacts with Natalee’s parents were that night. What stopped him from the telling the truth after that night instead of going out and getting lawyers? This goes far beyond "I feel bad because I left her on the beach". Prove Natalee’s mother intentionally lied. Joran intentionally lied.

The Mountain Brook students never told Dompig that Natalee used drugs if that would have been the case, his words would not have been carefully worded to say that he has no proof that Natalee used drugs, but she may have been the possession of drugs. This sounds to me it came from some drug dealer on the island (creditability questionable), and there is a possibility that a Mountain Brook student told him about Natalee’s sinus medication. Dompig refused to tell what kind of drugs. Without a body and an autopsy, it is only speculation that a person died a certain way. He has no proof to determine the cause of death. She could have easy died from an enclosed head wound.

Posted by: david1017 | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 03:19 PM
"I tend to think that ALE does have evidence to support an accidental death theory." How so if there are "no blood; no forensics to speak of; no weapon; no body; no witnesses; all equals no case."
This make absolutely no sense "BHT and her followers have not furthered the investigation in my opinion; they have hindered it", and then follow it by "ALE lost valuable time and possibly evidence in the first two weeks by jumping the gun on the two guards." BHT and her followers did not tell the lies that caused the two security guards to be locked up and hinder the case. I believe it was the three suspects.

Checks payable to Joseph Tacopina,PC Escrow For JoranVan de Sloot
Joseph Tacopina , Pc Escrow And Client Funds account
JP Morgan Chase Bank
280 Broadway
New York N.Y. 10007

I just sent them a penny, and ask for a refund. His services were supposed to be pro bono.

[Kat_Gram]

If any /all the three could get a this point is a charge of containment of a body, if the reward for the location of the body was increased to a million, there might be a taker.

Or they could live in fear for the rest of their lives that it might be found out at any time and they / he be charged.

[Skye]

Yes, Nelson , I have been to Aruba many times. My statement of your response is true. ALE did not take this case seriously and because of that error in their judgement , they cannot solve this case. Apparently , I struck a nerve within you on that fact. YOU are the native born Aruban , or so you have said, that obviously does not want to live on the island since you proudly include that you are from NYC in your name used to post on this board. ALE could learn from the NY police department how to conduct an investigation. You have to concur with that fact.

[lurking]

Hi Everyone,

Just saw the 48 show and thought I would stop by. It seemed to me Dompig was kinda blaming the family for the failed investigation. If the family hadn't pressured them they would have continued monitoring the kids and gotten something incriminating. That really surprised me.

Interesting he wouldn't mention what drugs were involved. I wonder why.

Anyways, just wondered what everyone else thought.

[petunia]

What do you think about this new witness discussed by Dompig--is he/she the same one whose info led to the new search of the dunes? And who do you think are the other possible people that could have helped with a burial or re-burial?

[hardyandtiny]

If Joran had left her in front of the Holdiay Inn Hotel on the beach would he have lied? What if he had walked her to her room and said goodnight, would have lied then? What if he had left her in front of the Marriot?
At what point would he have not lied and what frightened him so much about where he had left her? What if he was never with the Kalpoes and just walked down the beach with her?
Did they lie because Satish had picked him up? Who created the lie?

[MF]

Believe NOTHING out of Aruba -- NOTHING.

Posted by: wreck | Friday, March 24, 2006 at 08:13 PM

You are right they might tell the truth about Beth and her group, do not ever believe them, NEVER.

[MF]

For those not getting the whole story:

Dompig said that he has credible statements that Natalee had drugs in her posession. The boys are still suspects and possibly more persons or a second group is involved. He will try to defend the ALE and that they are NO KEYSTONE COPS.

They showed a picture believed to be the last one taken. Was given by the FBI and taken by one of the MB kids. They showed the radars monitoring the waters of Aruba. The ALE was informed by the manager of Carlos and Charlies that someone called him about the whereabouts and location of Natalee. Dompig believe this person is the key witness they have been looking for.

The MB kids recalled their last time with Natalee, they went to C&C on Saturday and Sunday. The ALE has evidence that she was drinking heavily and so did the other kids which was normal to teenagers having fun. They drank excessively.

Natalee, based on MB kids, hotel workers and waiters said that she spent most of her day with a drink in her hand.

Another detail the ALE has is that there were statements that Natalee had drugs, but still cannot proof that she used them.

Beth denies that Natalee would have gone willingly with other people. So does the MB kids. When answering each question the MB kids constantly watch each other before answering.

Beth has used any opportunity to keep the case alive. Beth still supports a boycott and let Aruba FEELS the boycott. ALE spent alone over $3.000.000,- in the investigation.

Beth criticizes how the suspects were not arrested in the first 48 hours, but the ALE has rules and judicial system to follow, they followed, tapped the boys and normally in an investigation, the detention comes as last, but in this case they were pressured to arrest them before time.

The ALE began to play hardball with Joran, as the law allows, they detained Joran a long time before charging.

Arlene said that if Joran has done something he should have broke already. She would be surprised if being guilty he could have withstand the ALE and Dutch interrogations. Dompig said that Joran had more advantage for being a son of a judge in training, because he could have gotten advise.

Dompig said that Joran almost broke a few times. The main story changed only three times and the details of the night over 25 times.

Beth Twitty will not share any documents with CBS and the ALE denied that Joran said anything about any sexual relation with Natalee, even though Beth claims otherwise. Joran only said to the ALE on record that they were fondling each other.

Arlene said that either he is innocent or a genius.

The psychological results claim he is pathological liar as per Dompig.

They showed how they used a dummy to see where it would go. This was done by the Search and Rescue many times and every single time it would come back to shore, except when thrown into the water 2 miles out. They showed how a boat COULD NOT have been used that night since it should have gone 2 miles out and would have triggered the radars. They have this on record.

Dompig claims that his theory is that she was not murdered, the suspects are no killers. They have a couple of scenarios. One is that they did not went to the beach. Beth said they went to the apartment. Dompig said it is possible but there is any evidence or proof of that and she possibly went into shock due to alcohol or in combination with drugs. Then the body was illegally disposed.

Possibly a second group involved and hastely burried. Dompig does not believe that this would have not gone unseen. Later they reburried her for no detection.

Joran said on the phone that he did not see Natalee with any drugs.

Beth said she has no hope and cried on camera.

Dompig said that a crime like this could not have gone unsolved like this.

EXTRA VIDEO:

New people are coming into the picture. It is possible that there was help. ALE had a lot of bad luck with false witnesses. But Dompig is confident the case will be solved. The information they got from the witness also includes the roles of those involved.

Joran never said that he never said that he said something about having sex with Natalee. Dompig in all meeting put the picture of Natalee on the table for motivation. He sat with Beth many times in the beginning. He was confronted with a lot of anger and also feelings of mistrust and the fact that Aruba was a small island with a misconception that they were dumb people.

Dompig said he is well trained and well traveled and say that he felt that this family had a superiority complex and they came to Aruba to crush them as if the Arubans were not worthy of their superiority or what they wanted done.

He explained how Aruba has done a lot for this family, they went door to door, entered houses and without warrants, people just let them in. But the ALE has rules and laws to follow.

Aruba has been home for American for years and Arubans see Americans not as tourists but families.

The suspect's surveillance began on the THIRD day. Observations, tappig, wire tapping, e-mails.

The ALE was very proud of their FBI friends that they were quicly on the island. They had on a daily basis two FBI agents sitting in on all briefings, going to different locations and sitting in all interrogations. On top of that they even had TWO behaviorist from the FBI and also gave advise and everything was recorded and monitored from another room.

He said that Joran at a certain moment he did not want to talk anymore and he has that right. The ALE still can not exclude that the body was thrown in the water but he has the juts of not.

The family had the assumption of a cover-up. Dompig acknowledges that he has never seen in Aruba, where an official cover-up took place that included Judges, prosecutors and police officers. It is in their minds of these people because it has happened in the States. "We do not know that on the island, it is too small to coverup. A cover-up in the judicial system is almost impossible." He feels offended how this could have happened on Aruba.

"A crime like this is not going to be unsolved", Dompig said.

[hardyandtiny]

It does no good for anyone to say a crime like this is not going to go unsolved. We don't have a body, we don't have evidence. It doesn't matter what Dompig FELT about the Holloway's behaviour. Their behavior had nothing, and has nothing, to do with the course of the investigation. His job is to focus on the facts and investigate. As police chief he should not allow public opinions to distract his investigation. His job is to direct his force towards gathering information. Investigations are criticized - that's part of the job. People are always finding fault with investigators, and it's not unique to Holloway vs Aruba LE. If Holloway went missing in Birmingham her mother would have been just as persistent in criticizing the Birmingham police. Police learn to let the emotional criticisms roll off their back as they follow procedure and do their jobs as best they can. Inferiority complex is more like it Mr Dompig.

[hardyandtiny]

"But police say extreme pressure from the Holloway family forced them to stop their surveillance and make arrests."

How is that possible? The Holloways are not in charge.

"Just 10 days after Natalee disappeared, police took van der Sloot, the Kalpoe brothers, and later, even van der Sloot's father into custody.
Asked if pressure from the family compromised the investigation, Dompig says, "I think so. It at least distracted the investigators' efforts.” "

That's just poor police work. The public does not distract focus from, or alter the course of, an investigation. Dompig is telling us that his police force is incompetent.

[hardyandtiny]

"But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach."

UNWEIGHTED

"Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape."

WEIGHTED at 1 mile WOULD work.

[Arubaanse]

Posted by: hardyandtiny | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 07:02 AM

You know, I agree with you...and not only that but because of the ALE's mistakes it's taking us longer to find out what really happend to Natalee.
On the other hand. I can not blame them because All OF US here in Aruba did not believe that something bad had happend to Natalee.

But Dompig needs to stop blaming the family and get his ass back to work because he's working on my nerve.....

[annie]

So, Dompig wants people to now believe that Natalee died from drink or drugs or both.

How about he checks out the attempted rape that happened in that area a few days before Natalee disappeared, when the victim only just managed to get away. (And I don't mean the man who was flashing), this was a guy who dragged a woman behind something (I think she said bushes), and attempted to rape her. This was the beach area. A few days before Natalee disappeared.

If this guy had already attempted to rape a woman once, it is very unlikely he would have stopped.

I think that Dompig does not want to look at this possibility, because if he does, then he thinks it will look bad for Aruba and tourism. That's why he is also wanting Natalee's disappearance to be confined to Joran and Co.

If Dompig really was doing his job he would be searching the beach area where Joran said he left Natalee, and would make sure first off that she is definitely not anywhere around there, hidden under the foliage.

I have also read that it is difficult in that area, because of the winds, for the dogs to pick up a scent, nevertheless, they should try.

[annie]

Also, what about the jogger who apparently jogged in that area around the same time that Natalee disappeared, and then he disappeared for a while afterwards.

This person was referred to in the Vanity Fair article as being some kind of rapist/murderer. Is this true?

If it turns out that the investigation team have discounted him because he was given an alibi, so what, unless it was a high profile alibe, it aint worth a bean.

[TJ]

BHT was acting mother with lost daughter....
Please read these posts. Beth's way of saying was: "it's showtime" when camerapeople showed up...she seemed to have a jolly time on Aruba....
http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=596&forum_id=29

[annie]

TJ

Thanks for that posting.

After reading that, you have just got to wonder, what on earth is going on!!

[Arubaanse]

Posted by: TJ | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 08:24 AM

Well JT,

I saw Beth too when they had the human chain thing for her in front of the High rise hotels in Noord. I went there and hoped that I will meet her. But when I finally saw her...I don't know but it's like I didn't who she was. I mean the Beth we know on tv is different then the Beth I saw in person. She didn't look sad or anything. She looked like she was having the time of her life. And when we were praying she was al serious and everything and when we were finished and I saw her heading back to the hotel. She was laughing and joking with a group of people. I didn't wanted to go up to her anymore. I don't know why but she gave me a creepy feeling and guess what... Our community had asked her to come to church with us. Well...she said no and after that others spotted her at the CASINO.

[Arubaanse]

But that is not important...the most important thing is to find Natalee. I think Arubans should ignore all the things Beth had done or said about us and continue with the search for Natalee.

Beth called for a boycott to Aruba but we Arubans should pay Beth with good. We should help her find her daughter and bring Natalee back to her. We Arubans should let Beth know that we are really good people and we will not pay attention to whatever she had done in the pass or whatever she had said about us. I was thought never pay evil with evil. Let's forget whatever Beth or Jug said about us and let's show them that we are not like that.

[annie]

Arubanse

You are right about being kind, nevertheless, when I am reading things like that, I am left thinking, does Beth know something we don't!

[annie]

I am wondering whether she has had some phone call maybe that she is not letting on about!

[Arubaanse]

Posted by: annie | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 09:06 AM

Well Annie,

She made us very angry. She did say alot of nonsense about us that is simply not true and that made us think twice about her. Believe it or not she made us think that this was all a show. The funny thing is she told us that she would never call for a boycott after all what we did for her...well, not only did she call for a boycott but she said that she feared for her life when she was on the island.(??????)
But we should not judge her because we don't know what we would have done if we were in her position. That is why I said that we should forget all that and continue with the search for Natalee.

[Arubaanse]

I am wondering whether she has had some phone call maybe that she is not letting on about!

Posted by: annie | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 09:12 AM

Hmmmm...

[Arubaanse]

Dan, how are you??

Listen, do you still have hope that this will be solved or do you think that we will never find out what really happend to Natalee??

[hardyandtiny]

But that is not important...the most important thing is to find Natalee. I think Arubans should ignore all the things Beth had done or said about us and continue with the search for Natalee.
Posted by: Arubaanse | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 09:00 AM

ALE should ignore her. Aruban people can speak as they like about her or anyone else.

[hardyandtiny]

BHT was acting mother with lost daughter....
Posted by: TJ | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 08:24 AM

That doesn't make sense. She's the mother of the missing girl. It's very simple. Beth is food for the media but she has nothing to do with how the investigation is conducted.
There is no relationshup between how the ALE conducts the investigation and what Beth Holloway wants. If the ALE let's my opinion effect the course of their investigation they, the ALE, are at fault.

[Arubaanse]

ALE should ignore her. Aruban people can speak as they like about her or anyone else.

Posted by: hardyandtiny | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 09:56 AM

I agree with you that the Ale needs to focus on their job and not what Beth did say or done.
But we all need to leave that behind us now and work as a team to find Natalee. We need to put the anger aside and continue with what were doing and that is actively searching for Natalee.

But I don't have any faith in Dompig...they should put my grandma in charge...i am telling you put mi wela ( my grandmother) in charge in she will beat the truth out the suspect with her "palo di funchi"

[Arubaanse]

I want to say that I love this blog and I came to love the people that post on it. I know that it sounds silly because I don't know you people personally and I don't agree with all of you but that makes it so great and Gosh...How can I explain this but I miss you all when I am not posting...That shows you how pathetic I am..hahahhihihihi

Anyway people take care and be nice to eachother!!!

P.S: Dan, keep up the good work!

[wreck]

Thank-you Arubaanse, for your posts. You seem like a very level-headed person with honest opinions.
I have to agree with H&T about the investigation. Dompig blaming the family for their investigation failures is very telling. A competent law enforcement agency lets NOTHING deter them -- certainly not pressure from the victim's family. Dompig says the boys were "under surveillance" from the 3rd day. Well, any "re-burial" had already taken place by then. My guess is that there was no "surveillance" at all, because they were still operating under the premise that she "wandered off."

[Kat_Gram]

MF... add the part where the FBI profilied Joran and the FBI said he was a sociopath.

A sociopath isn't always a criminal and a criminal isn't always a sociopath.

I tend to agree that there is something wrong with Joran and that there has been for a long time.

The main thing ( after I googled the definiton ) that seems to apply to Joran is the lack of empathy for other people, the lying, the hi-risk behaviours , the substance abuse.

There is no treatment for a sociopath.