Natalee Holloway - Strong Indications Natalee Is Dead

In today's news, it appears papers are playing up a particluar angle from a statement by Gerald Dompig.

Witnesses have come forward who say the then 18-year-old Holloway had drugs in her possession and was drinking heavily on May 30, the day she disappeared, Gerald Dompig, deputy chief of police for Aruba, told CBS television's "48 Hours Mystery" program, which released a partial transcript of the interview on Thursday.

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One of the glaring facts to come out in the case and there hasn't been many is that we now know that Natalee was drinking on May 29 and into May 30. FBI 302 forms (notes from interviews conducted by the FBI) indicate that some of Natalee's friends state that Natalee was drinking with friends early in the morning of the day she vanished and drinking into the night.

Comments

[asking for it]

where is beth when people want to hear from her. why cant she be reached for comment? if it were my kid in question i would be commenting all over the place.

[Chuck Dunleavy]

We need to hear from those MB teens and find out the real story about the drugs and drinking, these things need to come out and be accurate, so what if their reputations become tainted, we need answers for the Holloways sake. They have already done enough damage by letting their friend leave a bar drunk with 3 strangers, come clean MB teens!

[FloridaPatty]

I don't speak for everyone but I never doubted she was drinking. Aruba? C'mon! What else is there to do on that island when you are 18 (which is their target tourism population) besides drink and sun all day, dance and drink all night.

Asking for it: My best guess is that Beth will now speak through her attorney. There is a lawsuit on the burners and that changes everything.

Do I think her pals from Mountain Brook know a little bit more than they are telling? Wouldn't surprise me and I would imagine they are keeping quiet because they feel saying anything that describes her conduct (smoking pot or drinking) would not bring her back.

[jolari]

Think I will reserve any thoughts until I see the interview. I have been "led on" by so many tidbits that have been released about an upcoming interview only to learn that there really was nothing new & ratings were the only concern of the network showing the interview.
Natalee had drugs in her possession--welll--that can be anything from aspirin to heroin. She was drinking in the AM & drinking into the night---well we saw her taking a sip of a drink (don't know what it was) on the tape of her at the Casino & Joran admitted to buying her a drink at C&C's-add a mimosa, or what ever to lunch/brunch and that statement is covered.
Could she have been totally wasted from drugs & alcohol by her choice-yes-but I have a feeling that this interview isn't going to be as earth shattering as some believe. Just think we are being duped again. The media is looking for ratings folks. MO

[FloridaPatty]

We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all the alcohol -- maybe on top of that, other drugs, which either she took or they gave her -- and that she ... just collapsed," he said in the interview, scheduled for broadcast on Saturday.
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I still think they slipped her a drug, she was already drunk but not falling down drunk.
Was the question ever answered about her medications? I remember she had medication of some sort.

My gut feeling is still that this was an accident. A series of mishaps. Alcohol poisoning? Nah.
Aspirating on her own vomit, unable to move physically for one reason or another (physical assault)
probably. I still think that is how she went.

[Sweetie]

Well, then, given that, she still didn't bury herself, or throw herself into the ocean, she had help.

[Mominsc]

I don't want to sound like I am defending Joran, but if drugs & drinkng contributed to her death, I doubt the drugs were forced or tricked on her. Everyone knows she was drinking to the point that her judgement wasn't what it should be. That would make it easy for her to agree to keep drinking or to taking drugs. It is a sad way to die but it happens. So many what ifs! What if she hadn't been drinking, what if she hadn't left with Joran, what if he had called for help. No matter what happened, I just hope that she is found and that there can be some closure.

[annie]

The question is, why, if Natalee died like this and the three boys were involved, or only Joran himself, why not report the death and say what happened? An autopsy would be able to prove they were telling the truth, and if it is true what we have been told about such deaths in Aruba, then it is encouraged by the authorities to report these kind of deaths, and no consequences.

If it turns out that this is just another 'lead up the garden path', like the rest of the leads have been, then I think Dompig should resign and let somebody else have a go!

[COLUMBO]

there was a web posting that has more meaning now that Dompig is trying to place drugs on NH....the posting suggested that she was mistaken for someone that she resembled whose husband owed money for drugs...he was told that she would be the one to pay....by Mickey John!

if the polis were used to collect on this debt, then it would certainly make sense that they'd try to place drugs on her...something that the FBI reports from MB have not done

[Chuck Dunleavy]

Columbo - expand on what you are saying, it's the most logical thing I have read all day, of course I have been reading harold postings, so it probably is not saying much.

[Hans]

I live in Amsterdam the Netherlands and we know overhere that Aruba is a dangerous island for girls .
The Aruba men are a different kind of men and gang rape from a blond drunken / druged beach girl is possible because i heard story's about it , that maybe got out of control .

I hope that they will find the body and prove that the vd Sloots are innocent . ( if that is the case ) .
And justice will be done . also the the Holloway family .

[croy]

Link to the last photo taken of Natalee at Carlos & Charlies. She looks like she is having a good time and still standing at this point. She is dancing with someone that looks pretty tall maybe Joran who knows. She sure is a cute girl this is so unfortunate.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-missinginaruba.gallery,0,6167492.photogallery?coll=sfla-home-utility

[The Avenger]

There is a plausible scenario that Natalee died of an overdose of drugs/alcohol that she voluntarily took (or was given by JVDS), then JVDS panicked and buried her body and started his chain of lies.

There are other plausible scenarios where JVDS was more directly involved in her death.

Either way, he is lying and needs to be convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. But it's Aruba, and those clowns are never going to convict him of anything.

If Americans just stay away from Aruba, the place will die on the vine, and who will miss it? Boycotting is about all we can do at this point. If the tourist trade begins seriously dying, perhaps "new evidence" will turn up and JVDS will get his due.

[FloridaPatty]

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Well, then, given that, she still didn't bury herself, or throw herself into the ocean, she had help.
Posted by: Sweetie | Friday, March 24, 2006 at 04:18 PM

>> Agreed Sweetie. In fact, I'll take it a step further and say these three can't even get their lies right!

If they can't get their lies right how can anyone conceive that they can dispose of her body in such a manner that it hasn't been found? (ans: they had help)

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months ago there was buzz going on all over the boards about, once the car left c&c they went to an area where there was a known drug dealer. Around the same time everyone was also commenting on how natalie stated she was going back to the hotel with them the "them" being the 3 young men.

now the questions come up about drugs and drinking and a mishap about mixing the two and having problems after that.

my question is, if she actually had drugs on her person, how did they get there? why would she go aquire drugs on vacation and how would she know where to go to get them? if she was holding them for someone else, why would they let her out of there site?

it was discussed at lenght about "the date rape drug" being slipped to her. in my oppion if she had consumed drugs thats how it happened. i dont think she took the drugs of her own free will.

Posted by: goodgirl. | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 01:42 AM
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I remember last year discussion about the place near the Holiday Inn, where the supposed private party was going on (bar after party) and the party boat.

I find it hard to believe she had drugs on her. There's something about that new theory or "information" (more on INFORMATION later) that makes it look like they are trying to put fault onto her for overindulging. Too many people on both sides of the state saw her walking, talking, exiting the bar in a happy condition but not falling down drunk.

This is the first time we hear about this "witness" that comes forward with "new information".
I will watch the show but think it's all hype and not a whole lot more to add. I think Dumpig needs to say something after all this Van der sloot exposure in the media.

[BhamRes]

I believed all along, based on what I heard from friends who are MB resident, that drugs and alcohol combined are what killed her. The MB teens who have been interviewed, and her family, have tried to portray this trip (and MB teens in general) as innocent and too naïve to participate in such behavior. It is weel known in B'ham that MB teens party hard at home (going to whichever home is parent-free each weekend) and that behavior no doubt hit a fever pitch in Aruba. I realize that Beth wants everyone to see Natalee as innocent and virginal, but that's not reality these days. That does not mean she "deserved" it. It just means that the victim and her friends exercised some very poor judgement that placed her at risk. If there is a cover up of some kind, then Joran and whoever should have to pay for that, however. No excuses for that.

[BhamRes]

I believed all along, based on what I heard from friends who are MB resident, that drugs and alcohol combined are what killed her. The MB teens who have been interviewed, and her family, have tried to portray this trip (and MB teens in general) as innocent and too naïve to participate in such behavior. It is weel known in B'ham that MB teens party hard at home (going to whichever home is parent-free each weekend) and that behavior no doubt hit a fever pitch in Aruba. I realize that Beth wants everyone to see Natalee as innocent and virginal, but that's not reality these days. That does not mean she "deserved" it. It just means that the victim and her friends exercised some very poor judgement that placed her at risk. If there is a cover up of some kind, then Joran and whoever should have to pay for that, however. No excuses for that.

[Hopingforthebest]

How many more times is Dompig going to rape (translate as unwanted screwing of)our brains?

[Pearly]

what a moron! Does he honestly believe an accidental death by the victim's own hand would be enough for Paulus to say "no body, no case"? Would Paulus let the beloved island of Aruba suffer like they have, over an accidental death? I don't think so, not when autopsies can prove his son innocent.

And who does he think he's fooling with the "new witness" tip? When's he going to get off his lazy rearend and go LOOK into that?

This case is pathetic, he needs to find better suited work. Maybe planting tulips along side the landfill.

[starlitgurl]

I try to filter through the rumors to the best of my abilities, from the information I've gathered, In short I think the following happened to Natalee.

She left CnC with J2K, has the intentions to have fun, party and just live it up on her last night. On their way to the party at the lighthouse/sand dunes she wants to stop by her hotel to get something, (FEB's: I saw her back at the hotel that night) After collecting her things, they head off to the party.

Now at the party, they are drinking, doing X and hanging out, when J2K decided they didn't want to hang out anymore, (kalpoes may have been bored and Joran had to get home for exams) This could explain why Natalee was upset Joran was leaving- its her 1st time doing X and shes still feeling good, and ready to party. could also explain why they took off so fast. Maybe they ditched her there, she was annoying to them. so now the fog clears from her head a bit, and she realizes shes alone with the others (this could explain the 3 am phone call, I don't know these people- Because she doesn't! She didn't show up with them) Also explains Jorans current affair interview, when he said I may have been with the wrong people. That could also be why he feels so guilty for leaving her, which is what he said is the only thing he did wrong. He said I should have made sure she got to her hotel safely. I also think J2K would not give the others up, because they are connected to a more threatening environment. So who did J2K leave her with?

This is just my opinion, please do not attack me!

[Paulo]

Great post BhamRes! It's nice to see at least some realism coming from that neck of the woods! I have been on this board since day one. We have all seen things written here, albeit, whether it's about some voodoo man talking in rasta language to you name it.

Anyone with any basic common sense knows that the MB gang knew a lot more than they were spilling. Hell, even ol' Jug himself admitted to interviewing each person who was on the trip in his offices. How do we spell obstruction, again?

Common sense allowed us to realize that the more that was gained from MB the more opportunity we would have at ending it much sooner with the truth. I really enjoyed what Florida Patty wrote about how (paraphrasing here) lying or bending the truth or not fully disclosing what the MB's really knew wasn't exactly helping Natalee as much as hurting her.

My own issues, I'm allowed! What kind of assistant chief of police goes around internationally making suppositions on how someone died when that someone is not anywhere to be found? Second and perhaps my biggest issue of all is in the notion of "buck-passing" and "let's keep the attention off of us routine." Look, these police people, experts, lawyers, court officials, parents, newspaper reporters, find anything and anywhere people, and others and still more pundits, ad nauseam, want this case as far from their island as possible.

Basically speaking these nerds are incompetent. But still worse is in the ideal that I still believe that these very same "officials" were involved with the cover-up. Why? Cover-ups happen when something needs to be hidden. International drug cartels notwithstanding and the partners thereto, van der Staaten and yes, the "judge in training," too. Which leads me to my final point for this post:

This unprofessional Dompig person is spouting off about Natalee being hastily buried and then dug up and re-buried again. I can still hear Paulus van der Sloot's voice now, "no body, no crime."

Lastly, sorry for the length of the post, but just how this entire sting of lies, incompetence, and bulls*it continues on, I am reminded of how much I wanted to visit, perhaps move to Aruba; however, after attacking a dead teenager is as low as anyone could possibly go I've decided I'm far better off just seeing the pictures.

[Pearly]

let's not forget, Joran Van Der Slander said she was fine when he left her on the beach next to his shoes. Now it comes down to who you believe, Dompig or Joran. (personally, I can't believe either one of them)

I expect Tacopino will have to say Dompig's all wrong since his new client has already said NH was fine. No need to bury a drunken druggie who overdosed, they'd find her on the beach the next day and figure it out for themselve's!

[Kat_Gram]

So, she was drinking ! ! !
Wow, what a revelation ! ! !

Most of the rest of them were drinking and they are not dead. ! !

When I was young, I used to go out and drink at clubs and parties and I am still here ! !

Joran was drinking. Deepak was drinking.
Only the girl who got into the car with J2K didn't come back.

The drug thing ? who knows ?
She certainly wasn't a drinkin' druggin' party animal in MB was she. Four days on a holiday and now she somehow to blame for her own demise.
Blaming the victim . How clever.

That Dompig is a total ass ... I wonder if he could find his OWN shoes if they weren't on his feet.

[dnichols]

Do they have hospitals in Aruba? If Natalee was having any reaction to alcohol or any drug why not take her to get medical help? Oh, the boys did not know what to do so they let her die. Gee in this country I have heard of babies knowing when to dial 911.

This story smells.

[harold]

so now we have a strong indication that Natalee is dead. Didnt Police Chief Van Straaten say the same thing about nine months ago. What is so new about this, except for all those whose continually commented over the past nine months that she swam away, ran away, sailed away, eloped away or was taken away to anywhere so long as it was not Aruba. Hard to leave the scene of the crimes when you are dead.

[harold]

my question is, if she actually had drugs on her person, how did they get there? why would she go aquire drugs on vacation and how would she know where to go to get them? if she was holding them for someone else, why would they let her out of there site?

it was discussed at lenght about "the date rape drug" being slipped to her. in my oppion if she had consumed drugs thats how it happened. i dont think she took the drugs of her own free will.

Posted by: goodgirl. | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 01:42 AM

knowing the level of Dompig, when he says drugs, he means prescription drugs that she brought withh her for asthma or whatever they allege her condition was. You gotta realize that Steve Cohen makes all this stuff up and gives it to Dompig so that he can make a fool out of himself before the entire world. or at least the population of Reihl World.

[harold]

so long as you fall for the idea that ALE is just a bunch of Keystone Kops, they hope you wont notice the real culprits in this case.

[Arubaanse]

Do they have hospitals in Aruba?

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It's a joke right???

[fonna57]

Drugs on her person could mean "LEGAL" prescriptions she was taking such as xaanax or valium--maybe she had panic atttacks, who knows; but a combo of those type of drugs and a lot of booze could be deadly for someone who is tiny and doesn't weigh much.

[goodgirl.]

months ago there was buzz going on all over the boards about, once the car left c&c they went to an area where there was a known drug dealer. Around the same time everyone was also commenting on how natalie stated she was going back to the hotel with them the "them" being the 3 young men.

now the questions come up about drugs and drinking and a mishap about mixing the two and having problems after that.

my question is, if she actually had drugs on her person, how did they get there? why would she go aquire drugs on vacation and how would she know where to go to get them? if she was holding them for someone else, why would they let her out of there site?

it was discussed at lenght about "the date rape drug" being slipped to her. in my oppion if she had consumed drugs thats how it happened. i dont think she took the drugs of her own free will.

[harold]

Drugs on her person could mean "LEGAL" prescriptions she was taking such as xaanax or valium--maybe she had panic atttacks, who knows; but a combo of those type of drugs and a lot of booze could be deadly for someone who is tiny and doesn't weigh much.

Posted by: fonna57 | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 01:26 AM

yes, even a nasal decongestant would be a "drug" in the eyes of Dompig, Cohen, etc.

[starlitgurl]

I am not sure what happened to her, if she was responsible, if the drugs were too strong, or if those boys did something. Everyone gets so upset, if there was any suggestion Natalee was doing something less then pure. When I was Natalee's age, about 8 years ago, I experimented with drugs. My parents had no idea, neither did my friends at school, I kept my drug friends seperate from my real friends. So we have no idea what she was into. Also as far as the boys panicking, I can totally see that too.....when I was 18, a bunch of us were doing speed, when it was time to come down, things got bad, my boyfriend shot himself(he lived) but in the panic, I could not let my parents know I had been doing speed for 2 days, so my friends lied and covered for me. All I'm saying is keep in mind that Natalee could've been different around everyone else to preserve her "character"- as you see how important that was to beth from the get go. And I can see the boys panicking and covering it too, why do they want to lose there futures.

[Skye]

There is only ONE reason Joran would lie and cover it up. And that is because he drugged and raped her. Then she died.

IF he did nothing wrong. IF Natalee had consumed drugs by choice combined with the alcohol we know she drank and just died from drug and alcohol poisoning, ANYBODY no matter who they are would have just left the body somewhere they know she would be found. They would have made a simple 911 call to let someone know.

Removing themselves from being there is understandable IF and only if they did nothing to cause her death. That did not happen. They disposed of her body to hide what happen, what they did.

No matter how you look at it, murdered or died by accident, it is wrong to hide a dead body. It is wrong to throw a dead body in the sea. It is wrong to feed a dead human body to the sharks. It is wrong to lie about it. It is wrong to go on national television and continue to lie about it. Everything Joran has done is wrong and it is more than past time for him to be held accountable for his actions.

[TYLER]

No matter how you look at it, murdered or died by accident, it is wrong to hide a dead body. It is wrong to throw a dead body in the sea. It is wrong to feed a dead human body to the sharks. It is wrong to lie about it. It is wrong to go on national television and continue to lie about it. Everything Joran has done is wrong and it is more than past time for him to be held accountable for his actions.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 09:50 AM

It is also WRONG to bad mouth somebody without any proof of guilt.

[Skye]

It is not bad mouthing, Tyler. It is true. Because Joran and his father disposed of evidence does not hide the truth before the public. It is only hiden before a court of legal judgement.

[TYLER]

It is not bad mouthing, Tyler. It is true. Because Joran and his father disposed of evidence does not hide the truth before the public. It is only hiden before a court of legal judgement.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 01:04 PM

If you agree to believe something to be true because it fits with your preconceptions its fine . Your theory is just about as good or as bad as anybody else's. What I am saying is that you must must be open to other possibilities even as an observer and not a prosecutor and not blame someone for something that he could have not done at all. I guess the wisest thing to do is pray for Natalee and hope that the truth comes out soon instead of blaming people again and again and again . As far as justice is concerned Natalee sure deserves it , however blaming the suspects doesnt help towards that cause either nor does it show support for the family as it seems to me from your posts. I havent seen a single post of yours without a negative comment about the suspects and/or Aruba. Is it really impossible to endorse support and justice for Natalee without doing so ? I do think thats what you believe in. IMVHO

[harold]

does Amway own a hotel and casino in Aruba?

[harold]

well, if you wanted to stop the Dompig BS everyday, then if Amway owns a casino and hotel in Aruba, then all you have to do is boycott Amway products and you can boycott Aruba without having to go there. That would get Dompigs attention, right away.

[harold]

Boycott Amway and get the trut from Dompig for a change.

[Skye]

however blaming the suspects doesnt help towards that cause either nor does it show support for the family as it seems to me from your posts. I havent seen a single post of yours without a negative comment about the suspects and/or Aruba. Is it really impossible to endorse support and justice for Natalee without doing so ? I do think thats what you believe in. IMVHO

Posted by: TYLER | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 01:34 PM

Hello Tyler,
I hope you are having a nice weekend. In response to your above post.
The suspects are to blame. Nothing I said or ever have said caused that , however, their lies and their actions which are documented did cause the opinion that they are guilty. Why. Because they acted guilty and did as a guilty person would do. They lied. Innocent people do not have to lie.

I fully support Natalee's family. This forum is not designed as a support forum to the family. There are some that are.

Natalee does deserve justice. She deserves a proper burial. And not to be "disposed of" in the sand of Aruba or where ever else they may have put her. She did nothing to deserve to be "disposed of" as if her life meant nothing. There is no excuse Joran can give that is good enough for lying about what he has done. What is really sad and disgusting is he continues to lie.

[TYLER]

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 02:58 PM

Hi Skye ,
I am enjoying my weekend . Hope you too are ! I agree wholeheartedly with you about Natalee being given a decent burial and not disposed off in the sand or the sea .

[Susan]

Perhaps there is a cover up because Joran supplied her with the drugs, i.e. coke, calium, vidodin, speed, extacy. They may be covering even if they didn't do anything wrong. Perhaps she did overdose or choked on her own vomit after passing out. IF Joran or the other boys were to say they bought drugs that night, then the investigation begins deeper and the trouble begins. Perhaps the boys are afraid of reprocussions that they would face if the dealer was uncovered or the wholesaler was uncovered.

[harold]

yeah, whoever had her body, just threw her away in the sand like a used condom.

[TYLER]

harold , get some class !

[COLUMBO]

Boycott Amway and get the trut from Dompig for a change.

Posted by: harold | Saturday, March 25, 2006 at 02:11 PM

Does anybody know anyone who buys Amway products?