It's Time For War With Iran

March 6, 2006 — U.S. military and intelligence officials tell ABC News that they have caught shipments of deadly new bombs at the Iran-Iraq border.

They are a very nasty piece of business, capable of penetrating U.S. troops' strongest armor.

What the United States says links them to Iran are tell-tale manufacturing signatures — certain types of machine-shop welds and material indicating they are built by the same bomb factory.

U.S. intelligence officials say Iran is using the bombs as a way to drive up U.S. casualties in Iraq but without provoking a direct confrontation.

John Negroponte, director of national intelligence, testified before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on Februrary 2, saying, "Tehran's intention to inflict pain on the United States and Iraq has been constrained by its caution to avoid giving Washington an excuse to attack it."

Above via ABC below via NPR:

NPR Diplomatic Correspondent Vicky O'Hara reports the indictment of 14 people for the Khobar Towers bombing refers repeatedly to Iranian involvement in the 1996 terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia, but no Iranians were formally charged. Many analysts speculate that foreign policy considerations influenced the case.

The reality is that a state of war between the US and Iran already exists. Unfortunately, for too long now, only one side has been fighting. Now they are deliberately inflicting damage and death on our combat soldiers in the field. The terminology for that is - act of war.

Modern usage, however, has expanded the definition of the term beyond its technical definitions to include any "just cause" a nation has for entering into a conflict. As such, it has been used both retroactively to describe situations in history before the term came into wide usage and in the present day when describing situations when war has not been formally declared. Possibly as a result of this, the term is commonly misspelled "causus belli," which would translate as "cause of war."

The God of War hates those who hesitate. -- Euripides, 480-406 b.c

Comments

[Shonane]

OK, the time is now. Knew it would be soon. Don't doubt the potential threat of Iran as thought they and Syria were more dangerous than Iraq to begin with. I opposed invading Iraq. What a mess.

Also - Iran is putting out their oil for sale this month -March 2006- to anyone that will pay in the Euro,instead of US $. Think about it.

[Paulo]

Shonane,

In total agreement with your assessment. As much as I hate having to admit it, I believe the time is now. Moreover, the American people and her allies need to come to an awareness that a few red flags are rearing their ugly heads.

Sorry for the double-speak. What I mean is this: Truman had the opportunity to change the world for perhaps all time. However he did not. Much to the shagrin of Gen. MacArthur, who advised beyond all advisement that Truman also mushroom Peking, Moscow, and a still unknown target.

Sorry to everyone who reads or otherwise with this post, but, the time has come to stop worrying about infrastructure and polite war. Iran in my lifetime has not and should not ever be trusted. Hawk you say?

Heck no! I'm a button pushing, launcher, ICBM realist who believes if you want the American way, well, we better tend to business now, before it's us who are demolished. Trust me on this one: Islamic Jihad deluxe with the oppression of women, only the very elite gets educated, and say bye-bye to privileges a.k.a. rights and I'm talking human rights here.

Preemptive baby!! Do em'

[sigmund, carl and alfred]

Once Iran understands there are consequences to bad behavior- real consequneces- reasonable behavior will soon be evident.

[sunshine]

Oh please no war with Iran. And you can't invade a country just because it doesn't do what you want to do.

[James]

Right on schedule. One thing you can say about the neocons, they are prompt...............You are just a bunch of sheep.

[Shonane]

Paulo - Do not confuse my comments as support for any mushrooms. There is no place for nukes in our world period. The idea is inconceivable and that is exactly one reason why Iran must be stopped. Just tradition warfare. I wish it would not come to this.

Iran itself could replace the weak, militant and radical leader it has and resolve the problem with a more reasonable and cooperative leader. This may happen as there is much internal unrest, but it needs to happen fast. Given a progressive leader, Iran has much to offer as a member of the world community, and from what I have read, many of its youth are progressive and tired of the old dogmas, repressiveness, and this craziness. Iran could be a prosperous and connected nation with the right leadership. I think many of the population are ready to join the world community and they deserve this right. This will never happen with the leader that they have who is provoking anger and fear towards their country, and stirring up hatred worldwide.

I predict something will blow within the next 6-8 weeks. Just wait. That is, unless Iran does it from within. This clock is ticking and there will be no turning back. This time it really is a national as well as world wide security concern. I have read that there are already confrontations along the Iraq border.

And, be assured, I am no neocon so it takes a lot for me to reach the place where I would support a military confrontation. We really cannot afford this right now. But, can we afford not to? I am almost there.

[roy]

The moment USA steps in with another conceited preemptive war the internal balnce changes in Iran. Then all of a sudden there is a mutual enemy... the yanks..
Internal differences will then take a backseat.
So get that stupid idea out of your heads.

[Saigon]

This does not surpize me at all. Iran has openly admitted in the past that they support and train Hezbollah (Party of God)who is responsible for so much of the carnage in Lebanon.

[COLUMBO]

there will not be the start of a pre-emptive war with Iran.....it has already begun.....in 1979.....they've thrived on our indifference....and there must be a confrontation....there aren't many dominos left over there

[Dan]

the neocons

lol Huh? How did I get that label? I've been relatively conservative all of my political life and my feelings on the matter aren't rooted in some ideology, just a sense of reality and common sense. It's an inevitable conflict just waiting for a spark.

[Shonane]

Not only is it inevitable, but I have read in several articles that it is already occurring along the border of Iraq/Iran. I think it is getting ready to happen, like NOW, so just brace yourself. I am hearing that it will be along the border where the skirmishes are now occurring, maybe not for the entire country of Iran at least at first. And if the US doesn't address militarily, I fear Israel will and that is something nobody wants to happen - think about what reaction that would cause.

I wish this would just go away but it is not going to . There is a link posted on the Hyscience website to the Borders project that is very interesting. It tracks timelines one the map for terrorists attacks across the world, all along Muslim countries' borders. That site, in fact, has lots of good information about this issue and the world situation and the growing threat and damage from radical Muslim terrorists. Go there and read awhile and then come back and say what your opinion is then. The free non Muslim world is definitely in danger and we have to deal with it if we value our safety and the life we have today.

This is a real different situation than Iraq. I never thought Saddam was a threat and he at least was pretending to be compliant. His wings were clipped,and if watched, I never thought he could do much damage. Thus, I was adamantly against Iraq invasion. Sometimes I wonder if this move was so the US could be strategically placed to deal with the real threats - - Iran and Syria -- where known terrorist are actually actively bred and trained.

John Bolton (who I definitely don't like) is calling on the US this week to address the Iran problem. This time I do agree with him.

[Shonane]

Correction - John Bolton is calling on the UN (not the US as stated above/below.)

John Bolton (who I definitely don't like) is calling on the US this week to address the Iran problem. This time I do agree with him.

[jackson80]

I predict something will blow within the next 6-8 weeks. Just wait. That is, unless Iran does it from within. This clock is ticking and there will be no turning back. This time it really is a national as well as world wide security concern. I have read that there are already confrontations along the Iraq border.

And, be assured, I am no neocon so it takes a lot for me to reach the place where I would support a military confrontation. We really cannot afford this right now. But, can we afford not to? I am almost there.

Posted by: Shonane | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 10:19 PM

go ahead, pull the trigger and find out how much China is going to let u cut them off from their Iranian energy supplies.

[ViVi]

What are we WAITIN for?

[tj]

The barbarians sacked Rome when the Roman army was out on the frontiers spread way too thin.

[sunshine]

What are we WAITIN for?

Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 06:43 AM

Are you telling me you want war? Do you know what the consequences of a war is. It will be worse than the second WW. Solve it the diplomatic way. By the way the US can't take this decision alone...it needs the UN again.

[James]

No ones calling you a neocon. You're just letting them do the thinking for you. Put out propaganda that Iran is responsible for our failure in Iraq and you guys just lap it up. Throw in a little "what about Israel" and you guys are ready to go to war.

Do you even know why Iranians don't trust us. I'm not talking about the nuts running the country, I am talking about the citizens? Iran had a Democratic government the we overthrew so the oil company could not be nationalize. Now you think they will just roll over and let us walk through? Trust us we have your best interest at heart. No they will see it as a grab for oil and so will the rest of the world under guise of fighting Terrorism. What do you plan to do about Russia? You think they are going to just watch?

The Global implication of starting a war with Iran is enormous. I for one have no intentions of giving my child up to die in some damn war started by a bunch of incompetent frat boys who can't think their way out of a paper bag. Who's children will sit at home reaping the benefit off the death of true Americans. The war in Iraq was BULLSHIT and the war in IRAN will be BULLSHIT. The only war we have fought that was justified was/is Afghanistan.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/03/heroes_in_error.html

Read some of the above link and then tell me you trust this bunch to lead us in another war.

[Rick]

Here we go again. It's always funny to watch the name callers who never offer their own thoughts...calling someone else sheep. It's this simple. We will not win, we cannot win because it is impossible to kill enough of those people to make them realize we are tired of their shit. They know nothing but killing each other, they enjoy tyrants and have no respect for women and they like it that way. Now, if they should ever build weapons that can leave their little sand box, blow 'em to hell before they use them. As long as one raghead is destroying another WGAF? It was different getting involved in Yugoslavia's civil war under Clinton. Those people are white and deserve our help and protection. This is a no win situation and we should sit calmly back and watch them destroy themselves. The entire region, including Israel, is not worth as much as a broken American fingernail.

[shonane]

The war in Iraq was BULLSHIT and the war in IRAN will be BULLSHIT. The only war we have fought that was justified was/is Afghanistan.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/03/heroes_in_error.html

Read some of the above link and then tell me you trust this bunch to lead us in another war.

Posted by: James
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James, I get the email newletter for Mother Jones and read it regularly online.

I agree that the war with Iraq was bullshit. And nobody will ever change my mind about that one.

This is a different situation. Here's today's latest out of Iran.

The news today is that they are bragging about fooling Europe who was negoitating with them and they have for the last 2 years gone ahead been working on their secret atomic program.

http://smh.com.au/news/world/iranian-negotiator-boasts-of-fooling-europeans/2006/03/05/1141493547376.html

[shonane]

The only war we have fought that was justified was/is Afghanistan.

Posted by: James |
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That is another reason I was so upset about our going to Iraq. Afghanistan wasn't finished or stabilized. It really had a chance, maybe still does. But the elected leadership is barely holding on today. It is a mess over there from what we have been reading lately.

[shonane]

The Iranian leader has been so openly brazen and in our face, provoking. It is almost like he wants us to attack. (This is real different than Saddam, who kept saying he was being good, sucking up, let the inspectors back in, real different.) I do worry that they have something up their sleeves that we don't know.

[Bandit]

IMO the Iran situation is being hyped up in the news just as the Iraq situation was before the Iraq war. The dollar will be in grave danger once the Iran Euro based oil bourse starts up. The reason for this is that the dollar is based supply and demand and once the demand goes down, the price of the dollar drops. The main reason why there is still demand for the dollar in the world is the U.S. and U.K. oil bourses which are based in dollars.

Almost all countries need to purchase dollars first so they can buy oil. Soon with the Iran oil bourse dollars will not be necessary anymore to buy oil, so the more countries start using the euro to purchase oil, the less the demand for the dollar. Furthermore the FED will stop publishing the M3 (which includes the total supply of paper dollars in the world) and then no one will be certain what the dollar is worth. which will create lots of economic instability in the U.S.

This is more reason for war than anything I can think of. Can you imagine poverty increasing by a tremendous amount in the U.S.???

How can the Dollar Collapse in Iran?
http://economist.mrwhipper.com/?p=364

The end of dollar hegemony:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html

Iran/USA - Release of global world crisis
http://www.europe2020.org/en/section_global/150206.htm

ONE DAY IN FEBRUARY
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/steer/2006/0221.html

Discontinuance of M3
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm

UNPLEASANT M3 TREND
FED COUNTERS BY STOPPING RELEASE OF MONEY SUPPLY DATA
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2005/1112.html

Public Debt Will Crush Me And You
http://prudentinvestor.blogspot.com/2006/03/mogambo-guru-caves-in-under-weight-of.html