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Interesting...Where is this friend now?

Isn't it clear by now that Joran is just full of inconsistencies? And, that is a nice way of putting it.

I wonder how the tennis club fits into the timeline? Who did he play with?

Another problem I had with the interview: If he was no afraid of his dad about sneaking out of the house, why was it fine for him to be out at the Casinos the night the Alabama crew showed up? His dad didn't seem to mind then. Was that not a school night as well? Was his semester finished at that point?

What amazes me is that the American press is beginning to take the side of Joran and his posse. Joran has brainwashed the press into believing him. What is going on? Are they all idiots?

Natalee is murdered and the press is worried about giving poor Joran the benefit of a doubt because he hasn’t been charged with any crime. They call OJ a murder all the time and he was found innocent of murder at trial.

There is a 100% chance that Joran and/or the K2s raped and murdered Natalee. No innocent persons the history of mankind have ever acted as these guys are acting. Their behavior and actions says they are guilty as sin.

Why as Joran acting so normal the next day?

Joran was probably gambling as usual the next night because he wasn’t worried. Personally, I think he met with Deepak earlier in the day and discussed the alibi and/or disposal of evidence then. During the Greta’s interview, he first said he met Deepak during the next day and then corrected to say the next night. That seemed like a Freudian slip to me.

Perhaps, the body was taken care of the night before by them or some else because they didn’t seem to be concerned. I also don’t think they expected Natalee’s disappearance to be linked to them or to cause so much commotion. They were not concerned about being caught so soon–if at all–and certainly not the next day. I also wonder if Deepak and/or Joran found out people where looking for them and they sought each other out. One has to wonder if someone called Deepak late that night to warn him–-Joran, Paulus, someone at the HI?

Did you notice that Joran and Deepak “conveniently” managed to miss the group looking for them at the hotel? They obviously did it intentionally to give themselves more time to discuss their alibi. I wonder if there was a call to Satish at that time.

My main point is that, if those posting on this board had the same information that the police have, they could probably solve the crime–although probably not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Phone records, text messages, etc. would tell us a lot about what these people were doing.

I hope they all keep talking because it will be helpful to the police in solving the crime. I believe that there is ALREADY as much evidence against Joran and the K2s as there was against Scott Peterson and he got the death sentence.

Gary

I am big Joran fan but why would he call another boy expressing concerns about what to do if he just left her on the beach alone and fine, before the Twitty nuts showed off on the island? That doesn't make any sense.

Perhaps, the body was taken care of the night before by them or some else because they didn’t seem to be concerned. I also don’t think they expected Natalee’s disappearance to be linked to them or to cause so much commotion. They were not concerned about being caught so soon–if at all–and certainly not the next day. I also wonder if Deepak and/or Joran found out people where looking for them and they sought each other out. One has to wonder if someone called Deepak late that night to warn him–-Joran, Paulus, someone at the HI?

Did you notice that Joran and Deepak “conveniently” managed to miss the group looking for them at the hotel? They obviously did it intentionally to give themselves more time to discuss their alibi. I wonder if there was a call to Satish at that time.

My main point is that, if those posting on this board had the same information that the police have, they could probably solve the crime–although probably not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Phone records, text messages, etc. would tell us a lot about what these people were doing.

I hope they all keep talking because it will be helpful to the police in solving the crime. I believe that there is ALREADY as much evidence against Joran and the K2s as there was against Scott Peterson and he got the death sentence.

Gary


Posted by: Gary | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 08:56 PM


Never expected her disappearance to be linked to them? Huh, did you forget that there were plenty of witnesses that Joran was with Natalee at C&C and took a belly shot off her? Did you forget there are witnesses that Natalee left with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers? There seems to be a basic lack of logic in that conclusion. My guess is you are lacking many other relevant facts about the time line in this case concerning Joran's ability to dispose of a body, and commit the "perfect" crime!

I am big Joran fan but why would he call another boy expressing concerns about what to do if he just left her on the beach alone and fine, before the Twitty nuts showed off on the island? That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Joran Fan | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 09:05 PM

Possibly because there never was a phone call that afternoon?

Story #27...or it is #30 now? Maybe Story number 35, 40.....

Anyonw know what # tale we are at?

I have said this all along repetedly - we really know very little about anything - we do not know who said what, when people said anything and to speculate is just that speculation. So it really does no good to constantly analyze whether there are inconsistancies. Of course there are - all over the place for months about everything. The Aruban system is to not reveal any information until the case is over. I think the only time we may know is when and if this case is over!

There are a lot of murderers who seem to think they can get away with it - e.g., Scott Peterson, the Menendez brothers, etc. So, I do not find it illogical to think that they were confident from the beginning that they could get away with it - if they have already disposed of the body... especially in the ocean, which seems likely.

There are a lot of murderers who seem to think they can get away with it - e.g., Scott Peterson, the Menendez brothers, etc. So, I do not find it illogical to think that they were confident from the beginning that they could get away with it - if they have already disposed of the body... especially in the ocean, which seems likely.


Posted by: musicgirlms | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 09:12 PM

Hi Mus......

Thing that bothers me most about Joran is.......he seems TOO confident during interviews. He certainly doesn't appear to be that scared little boy that had to make up lies...

He seems to me almost plastic...although believable....he doesn't seem to show ANY caring toward Natalee being missing. Again, although believable, he seems rather cold to me.

Remember after 9 month of being called murder rapest and a lier, receiving death threats how caring should he be. It is easly explained. Plus if he shows to much emotion people say he is guilty. If he shows not enough he is guilty. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Remember people wanted him to talk and explain his side. Now that he is talking people are complaining that he is talking to much. If Joran doesn't talk people still think he his guilty. Somepeople do not walk around with their emotions showing. Some people keep it to them selfs and show when they're alone and or with family.

blah blah blah

Why not wait until something is REALLY confirmed instead of jumping to conclusions from some internet rumor?

Is this report REALLY from August 11, 2005?

Get real!

You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about regarding Joran - did you not see the difference between him in the Primetime interview and Greta's it is totally unfair to say he was plastic in the second. I happen to know he was absolutely devasted and broken after that horrible trip to NY City - I think what you saw was a little relief at finally being able to speak openly - and Greta's promise to have it be unedited - that helped make him relax a bit. Not having his parents in the room helped too as he seemed to be more in a one on one exchange in a conversation mode not constantly looking at his parents. There is nothing Joran can do right for some - but when you have been accused and slandered and convicted for months - just being able to speak out, well I think he was showing relief - to each is own!

people that are TOTALLY focused on the the "TWITTY LIES" are barking up the wrong ROAD...

the trio of liars will go down

Not to ruin anyone's day, but....a sociopath could pull those interviews off...would actually enjoy the notariety.

Just a thought....a very possible situation...before slamming me, think about it. Everyone was fooled by Ted Bundy too....even those who knew him intimately.

Honestly, when it comes down to the truth, no one knows. We all have our own opinions....Joran could be innocent as a lamb, or a cold blooded sociopath...or somewhere between.

seems to me, that NOBODY can say they saw natalee after she was in the car with the 3LIARS !!

is that correct ?

they saw her in the car and that was it ?


if so, then everyting AFTER that we hear from the 3liars is all BULL

hmmmm..more to come

Didn't that story about the person .. Max was the first name ... come from Melody ?

Only ever saw it here on RWV.

people that are TOTALLY focused on the the "TWITTY LIES" are barking up the wrong ROAD...

the trio of liars will go down

Posted by: ROBOTS | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 10:20 PM

Robots, and all,

I think if everyone took the focus off the Twitty's/Holloway's involvement in this, as if they didn't exist......maybe we could all think more clearly? Okay.....a girl is missing, there are suspects...can we start at the beginning? Pretend the damning statements from all parties, that have no legal merit in this case....do not exist.

Okay, now, what does everyone come up with?

I happen to know he was absolutely devasted and broken after that horrible trip to NY City - I think what you saw was a little relief at finally being able to speak openly - and Greta's promise to have it be unedited

Posted by: Jan | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 10:08 PM

How do you "happen to know"?

It seems like everyone has this case solved..at least they think so.
I have the theory that Natalie was sold to the drug lords for big money, and these three young men have been threatened by the big shots in Aruba, not to talk, or something will happen to their families. I still believe Natalie is alive on another island, and I am really praying that she will come home to her family.

blaming the holloway-twitty family for their "lies" is like BLAMING GOOD
GERMAN CIIZENS for telling LIES during World War II who lied to the GESTAPO when the GOOD GERMAN CITIZENS were asked by the Gestapo if they were hiding Jews. the GOOD GEMRAN citizens lied ( OMG !! )
they lied and the END RESULT was it was a GREAT TIME to lIE

the great time to LIE was NOT when the 3 LIARS concocted a SCHEME from the get go


Holloway twitty family want their daughter back- look for a Conpiracy with the holloway twitty family if it makes you feel good. IT AINT THERE


never was there, the conspiracy is RIGHT under your nose

I had to laugh so hard. Dan posted alot of info today and nobody gave a comment. Things about Irak, the cartoons etc. and hardly anybody gave a comment. Now its about Joran and like a swarm of bees they come to attack.

if JORAN told natalee he was a foreign student from another country
why take her TO HIS HOUSE, he would not have a house there!

another lie added to the list

i think it is up to 863 total lies

correction 864 LIES

Skye -- You will just have to trust me - I KNOW!!

How do you people know that any of what we heard he said was true? The only words we can count on as being truely said by Joran are the ones we have heard from his own lips. Anything else is just hearsay. Hearsay isnt allowed in our courts here in the states so why should we take it as "truth" here in this case? Hell I think if Beth Twitty herself said she now beleives Joran, there would be some of you people who will start hateing her and condemning her for believing his innocense. lol I bet if Natalee herself walked up some of you would still say Joran did something to her. Some of you are just a little off your rockers, maybe you guys are the sociopaths and crazy people. Just go board to board and read the words of all the hypocrits who back peddle daily to change their words and make themselves sound credible. It is crazyness in deed

first i would like to know HOW Joran keeps his stories straight ? Does he # each one, and say today is this # or that # ? Hard to know as he has told so many versions.

I find very difficult to believe ANYTHING that Joran says now. Once u lie, it gives u a label and u are labeled as a LIAR !

Everytime I listen to a segment on the media concerning the NH case, I feel dizzy ! There is so much frackin spin I am dizzy !

His dad didn't seem to mind then.
Posted by: chance | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 08:55 PM

...and you know this how?

This phone call while at the tennis court is total speculation. I remember it starting on the internet and probably it was right here at RWV.

Dan, this was from a post supposedly written by Melody.

kye -- You will just have to trust me - I KNOW!!

Posted by: Jan | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 11:27 PM

Jan you go girl! Joran is too goodlooking to have committed this crime. Jan, you in Aruba shoot Karen and Doopig the bird for me for what they did to Joran. Greta stone faced with taken in by his good looks, but I can understand where she is coming from, the poor soul has to look at Bernie, Jim, Ted, and Jeff all day. Joran must have been a star blessing for her.

i thought joran said she was IN and OUT in one interview but in the latest
she was not..

its called COVER YOUR A_ _
LOAD ALERT

"Joran is too goodlooking to have committed this crime."

First of all, whether he's good-looking or not is a matter of opinion (I and several other posters on the boards don't think so). Second of all, Ted Bundy and Robert Chambers are just two examples of good-looking men who committed horrible crimes. Violence and rage have nothing to do with appearance.

It is ONLY 861 version of the troot.
YES, No, Uh, Er Yes No.

Where are my shoes... why they are on my feets ! See, Greta ... same shoes.. Same size too ! !

Papa buyed me a new pair of shoes.

It is ONLY 861 version of the troot.
YES, No, Uh, Er Yes No.

Where are my shoes... why they are on my feets ! See, Greta ... same shoes.. Same size too ! !

Papa buyed me a new pair of shoes.

Posted by: Joran VDS | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 12:04 AM

NOT what JVDS said in the Greta interview. Stop spreading lies...

He seemed to be quite proud of himself for making the discovery that the lost shoes were the same size as the ones he was wearing !

the shoes are missing because they got either SOAKED in water, filthy
with mud, or DNA from her vomit or blood was on them.


FIND THE SHOES

Joran plays in poker tournaments? Isn't that game all about bluffing. I believe he won a few. Now he's bluffing for his life-with Dads complicity!

IM SO TIRED i NEED TO GO TO BED ..blah blah blah.. LETS GET OUT HERE FAST

instead of going right to bed at 3 30 am. HE gets on the computer and checks score and talks for a bit with DEEPAK or SATISH

sure you did

nobody ever saw them on the beach, nobody can confirm it

HINT= they were never on the beach

You are looking for a quiet place. Are you going to start screaming. Joran I do not think he could hide to easy.

Think Mr. Tacopina will make Beth really quiet as well as Dave.
Do you want to stop speculating. Put yourself in IDLE mode. so you do not waste any energy.

When any of us were 16 / 17 / 18 did your Dad ever give you an allowance big enough to go to niteclubs, drink and go to Casinos ?

I could never stay out until that hour no matter whether it was a school nite or not.

Very permissive parents.

joran did not hide her. he killed her but he had help hiding her
obviously

If you go to MY SPACE , Joran's page, you will see he has 0 friends. It says :

Joran has O Friends.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Huh ! Am I still on this blog ??

Goodnite all ! ! ! ! !

So, like when I come back tomorrow after work, y'all have this thing solved, eh ?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

Gotta check the soccer scores first and then I have too have a bite to eat and then I gotta see if any of my 0 friends are on lne to talk to ! !

correction 864 LIES
Posted by: ROBOTS | Sunday, March 05, 2006 at 11:22 PM

And that would be LIE # ? from you ROBOTS? That's the biggest problem with this case. Too many misinformed people, stating their opinions as a FACT. It's just your opinion, because you believe it does not make it a FACT.

Do us all a favor, and just PROVE your theory.

But of course, YOU CAN'T.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, all idiotic notwithstanding.

If you go to MY SPACE , Joran's page, you will see he has 0 friends. It says :
Joran has O Friends.
Posted by: Kat_Gram | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 12:41 AM

How's the Koolaid tonight? Fresh batch already?

There have been several websites put up in his name, that have absolutely no association with him. The same with Natalee. It's disgusting the way people abuse others online when they think they can be anonymous.

But if you think Joran has no friends, you should check out the ABC Primetime interview again, you can see him with some of his friends for yourself.

UNLESS of course, you're more interested in passing off your BS as fact?

When any of us were 16 / 17 / 18 did your Dad ever give you an allowance big enough to go to niteclubs, drink and go to Casinos ?

I could never stay out until that hour no matter whether it was a school nite or not.

Very permissive parents.

Posted by: Kat_Gram | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 12:36 AM

I don't know about that. Joran's parents didn't send him on five night practically unchaperoned drink, gamble, club and party abroad trip, as a reward at 18. But Natalee's parents did.

Don't try to use a double standard here.

"Permissive parenting" apparently abounds everywhere by your standards anyway.

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