Van Der Sloot: No Sex With Natalee Holloway

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"We were planning on going to my house, because she said she wanted to go to my house," he said. "My intention was to take her to the house to have sex with her."

But the couple did not end up sleeping together, he said. "I asked her if she wanted to have sex, and she was fine with it," he said. "I didn't have a condom with me though in my wallet, and I won't have sex with a girl without a condom."

Comments

[xxx]

Hey, it isn't my story, it is his.

This was in his interview where he says she told him her mother was Hitler's sister or like Hitler's sister and that she was a virgin and a lesbian.

The whole thing is just stupid.

Joran thinks he can just change up his story as many times as he wants..she was drunk, she wasn't drunk, she drank a lot but wasn't drunk.

I cannot see two teenagers who barely know each other having a conversation in the back seat of a car where the girl agrees to have sex at his house, but then he changes his mind because he has no condom, either at home or on him.

I assume he knew he had no condom to begin with, so what is the point of all this talk about sex since he says he NEVER has sex without a condom.

Stupid, childish lies.

[Kelly3]

I think only his mommy believes this WHOPPER. If it wasn't so sad its almost laughable. His nose gets bigger and bigger.

[Arubaanse]

And just one more thing, in order to get into the Casino, you have to enter the HOTEL first, so that tells me there is more to this picture then what we see, because Beth says she doesnt see Natalee enter the Hotel. I want to see the full footage of these tapes before I make a judgement call.

Posted by: kathy d | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 06:37 PM

That is absolutely not true at all...

[me]

Oh my goodness, what is going on! Joran made a statement contrary to previous statements??whu?? I hope he doesn't think anyone is going to believe him. his pics do say a lot in my opinion. A responsible guy who would not have sex without a condom, would not be friends with folks like freddie whoever who proclaims on his page that he enjoys the hobby of "fuck at parties." the biting of the girl's crotch (gotta love that word), etc...An out of control, way desensitized person like that, (also see Ben Fawley), is highly capable of goign overboard and lying to the point of even believing his own lies, just to clear his own name. They don't care about other's feelings becasue they don't have any. Joran could obviously care less about the girl he was going to be intimate with, even blaming her for her disappearance, so it is ok to him to just screw, "say goodbye" and have no other feelings whatsoever, even if the girl goes missing. Girls, I hope you're taking note!

[Arubaanse]

I wonder about the Kalpoes too. What they are doing, is Deepak still at the Internet Cafe? What about Satish? He didnt get to graduate like Joran did, did he?

Posted by: Lisa | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 01:18 PM

Well, the 4 times I went in to the cafe he wasnt there, then I heard his Visa rean out. Maybe this is why he wasn't there. But dont forget he is writing his own book. As for Satish, I think he needs to get "squeezed" hard to tell the truth of All he knows.

www.arubassilence.com

Posted by: kathy d | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 07:18 PM

Again, not true...Satish is still going to school and Deepak's visa hasn't rean out. They just don't go outside anymore. They are very different people now. They don't hang out with friends anymore.

[xxx]

Arubaanse,

So what do you think? Were the Kalpoes involved or did they just get suckered into protecting Joran?

Chris Cuomo confirmed on Abrams that Satish and Deepak deny Satish picking him up, so the stories, definitely at 9 months, are still different.

[bizman]

And just one more thing, in order to get into the Casino, you have to enter the HOTEL first, so that tells me there is more to this picture then what we see, because Beth says she doesnt see Natalee enter the Hotel. I want to see the full footage of these tapes before I make a judgement call.

Posted by: kathy d | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 06:37 PM

Absolutely not true,there is a direct entrance into the casino from the parking lot where upon entering a doorman is usually sitting or standing.If one were in the casino they could walk out the main entrance of the casino into a parking area and proceed directly across the way to a Tony Roma's Steak House for dinner or lunch.

We have not seen the entire tape,Joran being a local would almost seemingly have used the main entrance upon initially arriving at the casino.Obviously he had been there for awhile and went and to the restrooms which are located in the hallway beyond the sliding doors which is where the video shown shows Joran and then Nat coming from the direction of the restrooms.Apparently both of them had been in the casino prior to what is being shown on the tape.

[thedevil]

If one were to choose out of the 4 girls to have sex with I would think there were hotter babes than Natalee in that bunch.

[annie]

The reason Joran told the first lie about taking Natalee back to her hotel, was not because he was afraid of his father, he was afraid of Jug and the lynch mob who were there while he was being questioned. With that crowd in your face, how many of you would be brave enough to say that you left a girl on the beach alone at that time in the morning?

[Arubaanse]

Arubaanse,

So what do you think? Were the Kalpoes involved or did they just get suckered into protecting Joran?

Chris Cuomo confirmed on Abrams that Satish and Deepak deny Satish picking him up, so the stories, definitely at 9 months, are still different.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 07:51 PM

I don't know what to think anymore...Joran has lied to much, correct me if i'm wrong but I think Joran is the one that had lied the most and the brothers are depressive I think. But I still believe that Joran and Deepak and about 2 or 3 other people know something...I don't know but there has to be someone else involve in this

[xxx]

He was brave enough to say she was drunk, taking drugs, falling down, dancing provactively and coming on to him.

He was brave enough to describe the sexual contact he admits to having with her.

Seems pretty brave to me for a poor scared little boy.

If he was really scared he would have said we went for a drive, kissed a little and we took her back to her hotel.

That is the kind of lie a scared teenager makes up, not a grandiose novelette full of nothing but negative information about the girl who is missing.

[xxx]

Arubaanse,

I agree, I have also always thought more than the 3 guys knew pieces of the puzzle, especially Joran who can't keep his mouth shut, there is no way he didnt' tell some kind of version of what really happened to someone.

Yeah, from what I can tell just this week, he is continuing to lie.

Do you really think if some private investigator went looking it is going to be proven true that Joran refuses sex without a condom???

Maybe his own ego really will do him in.

[bizman]

That is the kind of lie a scared teenager makes up, not a grandiose novelette full of nothing but negative information about the girl who is missing.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:07 PM

None of that is negative information.It is just like everything else in this case and that would be PURE SPECULATION on Joran's part.Well most of it is true.The only speculation is that she may have been on drugs.The other activities are acknowledged as truths in the case.

[annie]

Yes, he was brave enough to say all that stuff when the lynch mob were not listening, and I think he would have said a whole lot more if that crowd had not shown up like they did. They have a lynch mob mentality, and it is apparent that a lot of people who post on here do as well.

[nelson from NYC]

Floridapatty it really shows how much you know of Aruba:ZERO!!! the island consist of 63 nationalities all mixed and no race issues, everybody lives in peace with each other, the first time I was faced with racism when I came to college in the US I was in SC. So dont come up with such suggestions if you dont know anything at all of how the people of Aruba live. It DEFINATLY shows you have no clue whatsoever.

[gator]

I find it mind boggling that some people seem to think this kid had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalie. Absolutely mind boggling.

[Arubaanse]

The reason why I think that there are more people involve in this, is because these young men has never killed anyone and they didn't go that night to kill a girl. They just went out to have fun and things turn out bad for them and they had to call someone to help them get rid of the body cause in no way I think they could have done it on their own...I don't think so.

[bizman]

Joran is not continuing to lie.The fact is the public is now hearing the rest of his story that has not been made public.ALE did not divulge all aspects of what they knew only what they wanted the public to know at the time.Now as Joran said it is time to tell the rest of the truth and put it to rest so he can get on with his life.

[xxx]

Not true.

He said it straight to Jug's face.

I don't see how they could have been a lynch mob, since at that time they thought Natalee was alive somewhere and they were trying to track her down.

So, who are they lynching and for what?

[xxx]

The reason why I think that there are more people involve in this, is because these young men has never killed anyone and they didn't go that night to kill a girl. They just went out to have fun and things turn out bad for them and they had to call someone to help them get rid of the body cause in no way I think they could have done it on their own...I don't think so.
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Is it even remotely possible that Joran could have swam out with her body far enough that the current would have taken her out to sea?

I don't think so, but you seem like you are really from Aruba, so you would know if that is something that could have happened.

[bizman]

I find it mind boggling that some people seem to think this kid had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalie. Absolutely mind boggling.

Posted by: gator | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:15 PM

It is not whether anyone thinks he had anything to do with it or not.It only matters whether there is any evidence proving his involvement and so far no such evidence exist.

Gator,how would you like to be falsely accused of such a thing without any proof whatsoever?

[kim]

joran's problem is that he has lied so much, nobody knows when, if ever, to believe him.

[bizman]

So, who are they lynching and for what?

>>>>

I want my daughter back and I want her now!!!! Beth

Dont say you dont know her!!!! Jug

You Aruban assholes better get your act together!!!! Jug

XXX,DO YOU NEED ANYMORE EXAMPLES OF THE LYNCH MOB MENTALITY AND FINGER POINTING BY THE JUGEAD AND HIS MERMAID

[Arubaanse]

Is it even remotely possible that Joran could have swam out with her body far enough that the current would have taken her out to sea?

I don't think so, but you seem like you are really from Aruba, so you would know if that is something that could have happened.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:19 PM

Yes that is possible...when I go for a swim there I have to pay attention, because before I know the current can take me far away. But it could be that natalee went for a swim and the current took her. I mean if she really was drunk then there could be a chance that she drown and the current could have taken her body away.

[@ ~ Ibby ~ @]

A 17 year old guy is having a CONVERSATION with a girl in the back seat of the car where they discuss having sex in advance??

And the gentleman that he is, declines sex because he has no condom. No condom on him, none at his bachelor pad?

Oh brother.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 05:26 PM

Did the Kalpoe brothers witness this conversation? Is it in their statements?

[xxx]

I think if you want to look at what we know of the statements from the 3 amigos and Paulus van der Sloot you will find some pretty odd things...

Like, "You don't have to tell them nothing" says Deepak.

And Paulus making some cracks about Americans.

Gee, that sure sounds like how innocent people wtih nothing to hide act.

NOT.

[Skye]

the first time I was faced with racism when I came to college in the US I was in SC. So dont come up with such suggestions if you dont know anything at all of how the people of Aruba live. It DEFINATLY shows you have no clue whatsoever.

Posted by: nelson from NYC | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at

Who are you kidding , Nelson. It has been in the news about racism in NYC. Remember the men that beat the black guys in Queens with ball bats and ran them out of the neighborhood.

[Arubaanse]

HUH???

[xxx]

I had always heard you had to be out 100 yards or more before the current would take you out.

[annie]

Joran and Co are not master criminals. The known facts of this case have been looked at upside down, inside out, every which way, and there is still no evidence that Natalee is even dead, let alone raped and murdered. For all anybody knows she took off her flip flops and went for a swim, and having had too much to drink, just kept on swimming and got carried out to sea, The only thing that would have been found next morning was a flip flop or two, if anybody was looking, and if they were lucky.

[Skye]

Interesting theory, Annie. Why dont you go to Aruba and try it out to prove it.

[xxx]

Sorry to say that most crimes are not carried out by master criminals.

All you need is a little luck and some bad police work, it looks like the suspects got an abundance of both.

[Skye]

xxx, Where do you think the actual crime scene is? I think it is the VDS home.

[xxx]

Me too, VDS home is number 1, second guess would be the beach by the lighthouse.

[Arubaanse]

there is a possible chance that she drowned in arashi beach.

Skye and xxx,

You guys have been to Aruba before, right??
Have you been to baby beach??
Now my mother's friend has drowned there...Can you believe that but it is true. He had too much alcohol and then he decided to go for a swim and he drown in BABYBEACH...so, it is possible that she drowned in Arashi beach.

[Ruddy]

Dan attracts people like Bizman.

Wonder how that makes him feel.

[annie]

Well Skye, I for one don't happen to believe it, but it is a possibility. I think it is far more likely that if she is dead, she would have been secreted under bushes up from the beach, as I think a person would have to be mad to stand and dig a grave in the beach or sand dune, when there are people around, and apparently there were, even at that time in the morning. I don't think they have searched the foliage around the beach areas enough, as they seem to have concentrated on sand dunes and sea, but please correct me if I am wrong.

[Skye]

People can drown even when they have not been drinking. I just do not believe they went to the beach that night.

[xxx]

But doesn't Baby Beach get really, really deep close to shore?

Yes, have been to Baby Beach, good snorkling but don't like a beach facing a giant refinery.

Did they find his body that guy?

You know I would be prepared to believe that Natalee drowned but I see too many weird actions by the 3 guys. What is Deepak doing cleaning his car? If they really didnt' hurt her why in the hell did they wait until they were thrown in jail and AFTER two other guys were jailed to admit they were lying.

Wouldn't the normal thing to do after 3 or 4 days at most be to say say, hey, this is getting serious we need to tell the truth.

And why would Joran's truth keep changing? Why does he walk home/go with Deepak and go with Satish???

[RichardSimmons]

Lets keep something in mind here. I'm not saying that Joran is guilty, but take Scott Peterson for example; he was all too willing to share his opinion with the media.....he was even active in Lacy's search!!! The mind of a sociopath works a ittle different in that they lack empathy-it's all about them, bottom line! They can lie to you in your face without batting an eye. I understand that he's intimidated by the media and the Holloway/Twitty posse, but normal human beings do not hold on to inconsistencies as long as he did. According to sources in the ALE--and I'm going way back here to reports back in June--Joran did admit to having sex or sexual contact with her, and he's now trying to distance himself from any physical contact with Natalee. And you don't leave a girl alone on the beach at 2:00 AM....that goes against the laws of common sense.

[annie]

The phone call that was made by Joran to his friend to ask for a lift, does check out as having been from the beach area though, and either Deepak or Satish were at home on the computer as that also checks out. This seems to be backing out their subsequent 'truth' story, so why not tell that story originally, except that Joran was afraid of Jug and Co?

[Arubaanse]

But doesn't Baby Beach get really, really deep close to shore?

Yes, have been to Baby Beach, good snorkling but don't like a beach facing a giant refinery.

Did they find his body that guy?

You know I would be prepared to believe that Natalee drowned but I see too many weird actions by the 3 guys. What is Deepak doing cleaning his car? If they really didnt' hurt her why in the hell did they wait until they were thrown in jail and AFTER two other guys were jailed to admit they were lying.

Wouldn't the normal thing to do after 3 or 4 days at most be to say say, hey, this is getting serious we need to tell the truth.

And why would Joran's truth keep changing? Why does he walk home/go with Deepak and go with Satish???

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:45 PM

well, it could be that they didn't go to the beach like skye said. Maybe he lied again about the beach thing.
You know, sometimes I think that the beach thing is a lie...because I don't live that far away and I know that in that hour you will find lot's of young couple making out and I finded weird in that night there were no other couple's there..Hmmm???

[xxx]

Annie,

Why does Joran have three different versions of how he got home from the beach if he is telling the truth?

Why does he say he (a) got a ride with Deepak, (b) got a ride with Satish and (c) walked home.

This has nothing to do with the 'posse' since these lies were told to the police.

He say today, this week, that Satish gave him a ride and Satish denies this.

If no one hurt Natalee this is an IRRELEVANT detail, if they are still hiding something about that night and who got home where/when and how, then it makes sense.

[Skye]

Or it could mean that Deepak dropped Joran and Natalee off at Joran's house. Deepak and Satish go home. Deepak gets online. Natalee dies at Joran's house. Paul and Joran take the body to the beach. Joran calls Deepak and begins his alibi story. Except he has never proven how he got home. Could be that he didnt need a ride because Paul was driving.

[observer]

Just another lie is all....He ask's her for sex and she says yes but he has no condoms..So he then says he has school the next day and leaves her on the beach.BUT..HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A EXCHANGE STUDENT FROM HOLLAND(NOT ARUBA).STAYING AT THE HI.

He has already told that reporter from holland that he had sex with natalee(AT HIS HOUSE) and also some of his classmates and possibly a teacher.He tells a diffrent story depending on the day and who is asking..At this point it is looking more and more likely that natalee at some point was at the VDS residence.."In and out of consciousness"and the story about natalee hitting her head.May be the closest we get to the truth.Im quite sure they regret that info was leaked..Its just ming boggling that he wasnt arrested long ago for sexual assault..I guess he can deny he ever said that and the ALE will back him up..

[annie]

Isn't it possible to be up under trees on the beach in some dark place, and not be seen? There seems to be a lot of low lying trees and bushes around beaches in Aruba. Perhaps Natalee wandered off to another beach, and was attacked there.

[xxx]

Skye,

Why would they take her to a beach a few yards away from the Marriott, which when I was there had a security guy on or near the beach all the time?

The beach doesn't seem a good place to stash a body, but maybe across the road near the development and the pond/mud hole might have been.

Exactly where the gardner says he saw them all sitting in Deepak's car.

[RichardSimmons]

well, it could be that they didn't go to the beach like skye said. Maybe he lied again about the beach thing.
You know, sometimes I think that the beach thing is a lie...because I don't live that far away and I know that in that hour you will find lot's of young couple making out and I finded weird in that night there were no other couple's there..Hmmm???

Posted by: Arubaanse | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:53 PM

How far away do you live? Can you actually see the beach from where you live? I think that it's important to note, since it's unlikely a crime would have been committed in an area out in the open. The fact that he supposedly came home without shoes tells me that he did go swimming somehwere.

[Skye]

I dont think they did. I think in course of finding a disposal place, Paul and Joran were the ones in the beach area when Joran made the famous cellphone call to Deepak that everyone seems to think is evidence. I think the cellphone call was the start of the lies to cover the crime.

[Florida Patty]

The reason Joran told the first lie about taking Natalee back to her hotel, was not because he was afraid of his father, he was afraid of Jug and the lynch mob who were there while he was being questioned. With that crowd in your face, how many of you would be brave enough to say that you left a girl on the beach alone at that time in the morning?

Posted by: annie | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:03 PM

Actually he referenced his own father not Jug Twitty. In the face of a screaming mother and step dad I would have fessed up right there she wanted to be left on the beach...end of story.

And I saw that side to Beth on one of the tapes that Arubans on here referred to in the past on the Dutch interview tape. She was NOT soft spoken but spewing venom by then. Nothing wrong with that, I'd be going Jerry Springer trailor trash on someone's arse if they called my daughter a slut and a whore. But that's just me~
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A 17 year old guy is having a CONVERSATION with a girl in the back seat of the car where they discuss having sex in advance??

And the gentleman that he is, declines sex because he has no condom. No condom on him, none at his bachelor pad?

Oh brother.

Posted by: xxx
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Oh spot on XXX! Think about it folks. How often have you gone on a vacation and met a stranger and climbed into the car of another couple of strangers and then discussed the terms of your sexual encounter?
She's from Alabama.
She's an honor's student with a full academic ride to university.
Family and friends report no prior history of erratic behavior.
Best friend comes out with the fact that "she's still a virgin".

Now let's look at Joran. Let's look at Joran... People can fill in the blanks, we all know the story.