Unraveling The Mystery Of Natalee Holloway

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway may not ever be solved. All we have to look to are assorted bits of information gathered from various, sometimes conflicting sources. The particular scenario I'm going to lay out here may not be any better than some others. But I am going to construct a narrative from information and suppositions which make sense to me based upon what I know and think.

I believe Natalee Holloway was pushing limits that night, as were many of the MB kids as they went to C and C that night to "really blow it out." It was the last night of a trip which involved heavy drinking, drug use by some, and also casual sex. Mountain Brook is a privileged community. Whether it is the best and the brightest is an arguable point. However, it certainly is the richest when it comes to Alabama. And a certain sense of entitlement, along with believing there's no need to tarnish the reputation of Natalee Holloway has led to MB being less than candid about certain aspects of the trip.

Many will say, Why bother? What does it have to do with Natalee's disappearance? But the truth does matter. It has gotten to the point where it is indecent for the MB community to allow a community member to make allegations of rape, drugging and kidnapping while protecting their own children by withholding the truth of the trip.

Frankly, I suspect the parents of MB are as much in denial as anyone else. Between not wanting to confront what some of their own children are capable of, and out of concern for their futures and reputations, I suspect MB is precisely the kind of upscale community quite content to point all kinds of fingers at others without feeling the slightest need to reveal its own truths.

Those details provide vital context to what may or may not have happened that night as a result of Natalee's condition and state of mind. Suggesting those elements of the story are not relevant while spinning myths of cars mistaken for taxis, or a girl being forcibly pushed into a car is repugnant in its ignorance and the allegations have become pathetic in their unchallenged repetition.

Were the suspects in this case Americans none of this would have gone on. It is a sad display of both America's and MB's arrogance that they feel they can say whatever they want to say about an island and three boys without one ounce of accountability for being truthful for their side of the tale.

Now, to the point. It seems fairly obvious that Natalee was drinking and partying heavily most of the week and all during the day before the last night on the trip. I don't think she was anything but a decent, average young American girl. But it's also likely that she had picked out Joran as much as he may have later picked out her. I believe she left and stayed willingly with Joran and the Kalpoes and most likely was assuming she would hook up with Joran sexually, if she was thinking much at all at that point.

There are individuals in MB who know that there were occasions when Natalee went a bit overboard when it came to partying and also boys. And by boys I mean more in the sense of flirting or being provocative with them, not necessarily engaging in some certain kind of sexual activity. My point is not that Natalee was loose, or a fallen angel, simply that she appears to have had the capacity to over indulge in partying and find herself in the company of someone to whom she is attracted. How she may or may not have ultimately acted intimately on such occasions isn't relevant to this particular scenario and I don't pretend to have specific knowledge of that on this or any other occasion.

The psychology of Natalee Holloway is likely a somewhat troubled one. She appears to have worked incredibly hard to have measured up. And it's at least possible that some of those same forces caused her to go a bit too near the edge when she found herself unrestrained by the dominating influence of her Mother.

I personally believe that for all her good intentions to get answers in the disappearance of her lovely daughter, the Mother of Natalee Holloway likely has her own set of truths in this matter she'd just as soon not acknowledge, or have revealed. From a psychological perspective, it's at least possible to consider that her extraordinary efforts and the ability to cast unproven accusations time and time again is the way she has consciously or unconsciously chosen to deal with this tragedy without being forced to examine her relationship with her daughter and how those dynamics may have influenced events. And while it is difficult to judge a Mother who has suffered such a tragic loss, that still doesn't make her behavior right, or even helpful at this point. The family seems totally unwilling to entertain any contemplation of its own dynamics which may have ultimately led to Natalee being put at risk.

That matters because they are not only accusing Joran and the Kalpoes of rape and murder, but of having manipulated Natalee's state of mind, possibly through drugs. We can't, but if we could access the whole truth and perhaps come to understand the notion that given the time and place Natalee may have been capable of experimenting beyond what she may have done normally by taking some drug, then it opens the door to an accidental overdose. And it is for that reason alone I bring these psychological elements up, not to cast aspersions on Natalee or her family.

I suspect the three boys likely didn't see Natalee as anything more than some American blond out looking for fun and adventure and its likely they were more than willing to supply it. Lost in this story has been the sad way vacation spots and even islands like Aruba can be so shallow in their regard for the deeper aspects of human life when it comes to tourists. But that is not specific to Aruba, or even the hosts.

From Florida, to Mexico, to any number of other locations, America's privilege and wealth has led to a class of mostly young people who cavalierly dance into this or that vacation hot spot with no more regard for anything than their own pleasure. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that such attitudes and practices can sometimes lead to a disastrous end. But there are two sides playing that game and blaming one without holding the other accountable is superficial at best, likely born more from prejudice than real thought.

Given certain statements about Joran's own condition the next day, it would seem he may have been lying about not being drunk, or having taken some kind of drug. I think it possible that they all decided to secure and take something, possibly ecstasy. I am not convinced that it was slipped to her without her knowing. I think it's quite possible that it was the last one step too far in a week of carefree indulgence she likely wasn't mature or stable enough to survive.

In this scenario, and it is indeed, only one, instead of what perhaps the boys thought they'd get, a willing, carefree blond, Natalee had some type of reaction to the drug. There were fluids in the back seat of the car and I think it at least possible that Natalee began to be sick, causing Deepak to drop her and Joran back at the beach. For this next segment, I am relying somewhat on Joran's disclosures during a recent interview.

He tells us they were walking back and forth up and down the beach. True, one does that with a romantic sort of stroll, but it is also what one does when trying to straighten or sober another up. Likely they were seen during this period and if Natalee was getting into trouble from a drug overdose and Joran was trying to get her through it, the suggestion of a romantic walk could be Joran's way of covering it up. One guess, and it can only be a guess is that it didn't work and Natalee began to lose consciousness.

From the picture at right taken from the casino video we see Natalee did have a cell phone. It's been reported that a call from Natalee's cell phone may have come in to the cell phone of William Morris, a friend. I do wonder if he had called her earlier in the night, perhaps being concerned for her as she had left with the three boys.

One way or another, I speculate that Joran placed that call as the number was stored, or was the last incoming call to her cell phone, as she was sinking deeper into unconsciousness and he wanted to hand her off to friends. I'm not convinced that there was any plan for harm to come to Natalee Holloway from activities that night. Possibly the phone was shut off and Joran never got through.

Beginning to panic and in his own drunken or drugged state of mind, he called one of the Kalpoes. Joran stated that they said it was Deepak that picked him up but that was hidden by agreement to keep Satish out of it. If the boys did nothing wrong, or there were no secrets to be kept, there would seem to be no need to keep Satish out of anything.

Joran has also at least twice made a point of stating he picked Natalee up in his arms. I think it's possible that she was unconscious at the time and, as there were other people around on the beach, he needs an explanation as to why he would be seen with her in his arms. Also, the sneakers come into play. Why would someone not take sneakers they'd removed along with them when leaving a beach? Because they had something in their arms, perhaps.

A direct quote from Joran from the interview states "we" got in the car. I think it's possible that at this point "we" represents Joran, an unconscious Natalee and perhaps Satish, and or even Deepak. They very well may have then driven to the area of the raquet ball club to decide what they should do. If this scenario is close to correct, somewhere along the line it was discovered that Natalee had passed away from an accidental overdose of alcohol and ecstasy after an almost week long party her body simply didn't endure.

Given Joran's motivations to preserve his future, his somewhat selfish, immature and even perhaps ego-maniacal make up - and the Kalpoes fears of being sent back to Suriname were they involved in a tragic controversy, I think it is possible that they decided to dispose of the body rather than simply drive to the police or the hospital and turn her over. Enter Steve Croes.

Perhaps at this point arrangements were made for Steve Croes to help them out by securing a boat and depositing Natalee's body out in the ocean beyond some point of no return. If this scenario is correct, it was the boy's lack of ultimate caring for just another tourist, coupled with their belief that they were as much, in a sense, victims of events as anyone else which would support their ability to seemingly without conscious continue to lie about events of that night right up until today.

It seemed rather clear from the start that the family of Natalee Holloway, specifically her Mother, wanted nothing less than a hanging for the rape and murder of Natalee.  That persistent, intensely angry approach early on would most likely have driven the boys to cover up even more from the start, even if it was an accidental death.

Had this happened in America, LE wouldn't have allowed the almost lynch mob-like mentality with which the boys were confronted from the start to have driven the investigation. As things stand, were I them in this admittedly speculative position, I'd have no reason to believe coming clean now would do any good at all. After all, it was an accident. I'm not to blame.

But then, as America has too often learned from her politics, sometimes it is the cover up and not the crime that does the greater harm.

If any of the above speculations and assumptions are even close to correct, than a less than candid, honest approach from, not just the boys, but from MB and Natalee's family as well could have all contributed to the confounding puzzle we seem to face today.

Unfortunately, the truth likely can never will out in a complicated affair when any one involved faction remains unwilling to tell their particular part of it. Sadly, that seems to be the case for every element so involved here.

Comments

[Dan]

Sounds a good scenario, although I think a more logical reason for her disappearing is that Joran killed her. I can't be the only one who's noticed that trouble seems to follow this kid around from his scuffling before the murder, to whatever happened when those process servers caught up w/him. When Joran's in the house, fists tend to fly.

Why spread nonsense Rst? Watch the interview with an ABC guy who was there. Joran was calm and non-confrontational.

But the cellphone call continues to be problematic. We still don't know when it was made, what's on it, and where it triangulates to. We don't even know for sure what phone made it. The circle of knowledge on that call is very, very tight. I think it's the single most important aspect of this case. A call from a missing person at about the time they vanished. That's huge. Yet no one other than Charles Croes has publicly mentioned it,

Do your research - the call is no secret. It came into Morris' cell phone in the middle of the night and there was no message. Just a missed call. And you cannot triangulate a missed call. With no message, who knows who called. But it was NH's cell number. I would think anyone seriously following this would know all this by now.

RstJ

[annie]

After reading something about the guy who owns the hotel and his links to the Mafia and prostitution, I can believe that. Also, the Amy girl who disappeared from the boat, and there was some kind of link there to the same Casino, and has since been seen in some brothel. What a conundrum this is!!

[david]

This psycho lies and is totally unreliable. When does her lying stop?
By the way all the loyalty and friendshiop you yanks had in the Netherlands or Europe, is gone.
Caused by arrogant media imbecils like Geraldo and that bitch Nancy Grace.
If it wasnt voor the daily show we would think you were all nuts.
Look at Dan, 5 months ago he almost killed us for saying Joran didnt do it, no his new novel is that it was just an accident and cobver up.
---------------------------

This is one of the most profoundly stupid things I have ever read on this board. By and large the Dutch have no interest in this case, and the rest of Europe has approximately zero concern for it. Even if they did it is highly unlikely that we would lose any political support from the Netherlands simply because of a missing persons case. And besides, it is not like the Netherlands is politically important to the US in the first place.

[Dan]

I think that the boys had pulled off this routine a few times before

And from all accounts Joran got more ass than he needed, so why the psycho-rapist charge? It just doesnt add up for him. AFter all this time another victim would have come forth.

And as for someone else above saying I didnt talk about the LE role - no, other than mentioning that the school info on Joran may have been covered up. Pointing to any police corruption didnt fit with the article. I am trying to understand factors relevant to what happened, not what happened next. Obviously the ALE havent and likely wont solve it. Why is a different issue altogether.

[aragon]

lets not overlook the Soul Beach Festival that week. People from alot of places came for that....Man what a scene...the hotels on one side the beach in the middle and the ocean on the other side...add to that 5 days of bands from around the world...ooy vey...talk about
SEX...DRUGS..AND ...ROCK N ROLL

I used to manage a club in Austin and one constant problem I had was the waitresses and female bartendars getting on the tour buss with the bands and dissappearing on me....
if Natalee didn't want to go home, it would be easy enough for a cute young girl to leave with one of the bands or numerous folks that came to the festival by boat.
One of the bands there was DiceMen...they have a reputation of picking up young girls at gigs to travel with them......
SEX..DRUGS..ROCK N ROLL // ONWARD THRU THE FOG

[CSI]

They broke the first day and said something bad happened and were going to show the police were the body was.

Posted by: nym2000 | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:46 PM

That statement NEVER came from them. I can't put my finger on the link right now. That is another statement that keeps being thrown out there and becomes truth after awhile.

Just like the statement that Joran was suppose to have said to the MB posse the night they descended on his house that he committed a sexual assault with Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness. Does anyone really believe that a 17 year old kid would make that statement in front of the police, his father, and the Ala posse? And, that Beth and the people with her understood Dutch?

That one is so far fetched, but so many believe it as truth now because Beth keeps repeating it. The media keeps reporting it and never questions it.

[COLUMBO]

only because it's all Beth had to work with-a stepping stone....all I hear her mention now are his statements

[COLUMBO]

I don't think Joran killed NH, and I believe that for her to go with him, she really must have wanted to be with him....but he needs to account for the time after C&C and who came into contact with her....Beth is nipping at their heels because nailing him is the only way to get the truth

[Robin Tyra]

Great point, CSI.

[COLUMBO]

Joran did not call it an assault-he described innocent fondling, but then let it slip that she was fading in & out of conciousness-almost cost him!

[annie]

Maybe we should go find the DICEMEN then and go and see if they have got Natalee with them, perhaps she has been too busy listening to the music to have noticed that half the earth are looking for her.

[COLUMBO]

One of the bands there was DiceMen...they have a reputation of picking up young girls at gigs to travel with them......
SEX..DRUGS..ROCK N ROLL // ONWARD THRU THE FOG

Posted by: aragon | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:08 PM

Ahhhhh.....Shango's Dicemen.....he fingers them-I can't quite nail down whether they participoated on this case or whether they've procured for the individual who killed her on another occasion

[COLUMBO]

But you might find musicians in a V.I.P.

Babylon:
http://www.wyndham.com/hotels/AUAPB/casablancacasino/main.wnt

[annie]

COLUMBO

But didn't Natalee know at least one of the employees at the Casino by name? Could somebody there have put something in her drink, like she was singled out, and then followed. It was closing time after all.

[Bitsey]

CSI--Dompig confirmed that Joran admitted having sex with Natalee while she was in and out of consciousness and Dompig expressed surprise the Judge didn't charge him.

[annie]

Maybe they should have searched that Casino place from top to bottom and upside down as well.

[Bitsey]

And from all accounts Joran got more ass than he needed, so why the psycho-rapist charge? It just doesnt add up for him. AFter all this time another victim would have come forth.

And as for someone else above saying I didnt talk about the LE role - no, other than mentioning that the school info on Joran may have been covered up. Pointing to any police corruption didnt fit with the article. I am trying to understand factors relevant to what happened, not what happened next. Obviously the ALE havent and likely wont solve it. Why is a different issue altogether.
Posted by: Dan | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:06 PM

I think chick-magnet Joran facilitates gang bangs for his needy pals.

[aragon]

ANNIE
dicemen were on a world tour at the time...from aruba..and they did play on the beach that last day...they went to Brazil...they also went to Germany, Switzerland, and a bunch of European places...where this story isn't in the news like it is in the U.S...and if she ran away ...I doubt she's looking for headlines. If she ran away... 9 months later and putting her parents thru this and aruba...well I hope she didn't do that...I don't think I could find anything nice to say if this is a run away case.

[annie]

Interesting COLUMBO

I know that the owner was heavily into running prostitution. He really is a disreputable person.

[annie]

Thanks for claifying that aragon. There is just a possibility though that she could have gone that way!

[annie]

COLUMBO

Is the Casiono a new building or is it old, and is any of it old and crumbly, like something that used to be lived in but is now a bit rubbly, if you know what I mean?

[roy]

and Joran helped out by holding his hand over her mouth so she wouldn't scream. This would have put his shoes near her head. Vomit on shoes. She choked and died. Vomit attracts ants.

Posted by: Bitsey | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:35 PM

Look forward to the next chapter of this novel.

[annie]

I am hoping somebody is going to publish a book with the whole thing in, so many computations. It will be bigger than War and Peace.

[COLUMBO]

Posted by: annie | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:19 PM

Think they were at a vice operation...for high rollers, etc....

Michael Posner who owns Exelsior is mentioned here:

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

paragraphs 9&10

some have suggested in Aruba it was this:
http://64.69.33.211/nh/siframes.html
It even mentions that the elders run it-and if you look at a map it's across from the polis, who Shango said were frequent guests...note-V.I.P.....good place for a band?

[COLUMBO]

also-Shango said that 'while of gold bricks the road is not paved...' -you'd have to win....good place for security guards

[aragon]

I know there are alot of blogs talking of Michael Posner and his running that particular casino and his chicago mafia connection....but it you google Cuntrera Caruana clan...it said they actually control the Holiday Inn and Casino there and when Pablo Escabar was alive that is the hotel where he always stayed.
the Cuntrera Caruana clan are like the accountants/money launders for the U.S., italian mafia as well as the cartel....
the family has changed their last names to hide from the law but family members due live on the island today...their home base is Venezuela....the Mansurs are supposedly very tied to the Cuntrera Caruana clan
STARTING TO GET THE PICTURE ABOUT THAT HOTEL AND CASINO
the Ale needs to send the surveilence tape for that night to Holland to see if it was doctored.

[Kat_Gram]

I haven't posted for a long time because of the name calling and some of the really rude comments made. In this case, I fell into
believing what Beth And Jug said. When Helen Lejeuez came on board and discussed a gang rape history,well I believed her too. It seems
like most of Beth's accusations have been discounted as having no basis in fact.

She tried to make a leap from Joran trying to buy a drink for some other girl into Joran being a predator. And it went on and on.

This post of Dan's seems to be a reasonable scenario, without blaming Beth for what happened to Natalee.

I also believe that Joran has a serious mental or personality problem. His parents have let him have way too much freedom for a kid and I doubt if he has ever been taken to task or suffered any consequences for his behaviour. I doubt if he will ever grow up to be a successful adult.

If there were any evidence, don't you think
that there would have been an arrest and charges ?

I do think that Joran and the Kalpoes know exactly what happened, but sometimes people get away with this kind of thing.

No amount of Beth is going to change this unhappy ending.

[COLUMBO]

the reason PVDS skated may be in Shango passages:

the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
backs turned to the maze
never hearing a single note
from the poison song

THE MAZE (find the music):
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/11th/0214306p.pdf

The Arawaks (A.L.E.) are hiding the path to the Maze (vice operation) for the Babylonians (casinos).

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders (PVDS' son pimps for cops among others-no wonder he's untouchable)

without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys

And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.OMERTA. (said this in June)
http://da_wizeguy.tripod.com/omerta/

[Mafia installs judges in the Carribean]

[annie]

COLUMBO

After reading about this Mafia stuff and the guy who owns the Casino, I could believe that anything would be possible with that guy, even setting up some young girl to be taken. Very convenient though that he was away at the time and then reappeared the next day.

[Jon]

Dan said:
"Those details provide vital context to what may or may not have happened that night as a result of Natalee's condition and state of mind. Suggesting those elements of the story are not relevant while spinning myths of cars mistaken for taxis, or a girl being forcibly pushed into a car is repugnant in its ignorance and the allegations have become pathetic in their unchallenged repetition."

I'm skeptical of the taxi deception theory, but it is interesting that altho Joran stated in his interview that the car was parked behind CnCs, that is not the direction that Joran and Natalee were walking when they enountered Alana Jordan and her group. They were walking away from CnCs, up the street to the intersection where other MB kids were waiting for taxis (and Natalee pointed to those kids and told Alana's group she was going with them).

And who is "spinning the myth" that Natalee was forcibly pushed into the car? I've never heard Beth even suggest that, let alone try to convince anyone of it.

Dan said:
"I believe she left and stayed willingly with Joran and the Kalpoes and most likely was assuming she would hook up with Joran sexually, if she was thinking much at all at that point."

Just a few weeks before Natalee left for Aruba she told a friend she was planning on saving herself for marriage. Joran himself said Natalee told him she was a virgin. So what exactly is the basis for believing she "most likely" was assuming she would hook up with him sexually? It's possible she had decided to lose her virginity to someone she had just met that night, but it's hardly the "most likely" possibility. More likely she just wanted a ride back to the HI (where she may well have thought Joran was staying too), with maybe some making out on the way.

And the fundamental flaw with Dan's scenario is that in cases of accidental drug overdose, while the body may sometimes be moved to a different location, it is extremely unusual for it to be hidden so it will never be found. Hiding the body is far, far more commonly associated with homicides and sex crimes.

[COLUMBO]

Posted by: annie | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:49 PM

Think Vega$

[Bizman12]

Dan,
What you have presented is a very real possibility and holds just as much credibility as anything else that has been presented by anyone else.

While it is common knowledge that every single young adult who went on the trip as well as all parents who paid for them to go as well knew well in advance that there would no doubt be alcohol available.More than likely the heavy drinking and yes even drug use by some of the students many moons prior to even booking a graduation trip were a reality long before the plane touched down in Aruba.

The only difference in Aruba was they had no certain time to be in their rooms and why should they they were adults.Truth be known most of them at 17 years of age of more probably came and went as they pleased back in Mt Brook.

Drinking and using drugs were not new activities to some(if any) of these young adults as they had nursed hangovers before ever reaching the 11th grade.That is a reality and for anyone to think that they were exposed to these elements for the first time upon arriving in Aruba just simply does not have any idea what is going on just down the street or a few blocks from their very own homes.

There are endless scenarios which have been presented but no proof to back up any of them,so here is another possibility.

If we are to believe that Mt.Brook is old money and old values and what one does is scrutinized diligently then we must realize that there is a certain and proper way to act in Mt Brook as to which is acceptable to the powers that be within Mt.Brook.They appear to believe that they at the high rungs of the society ladder and feel that they are just a bit better than those who cannot afford to live within their world.Expectations run very high in such an environment and expectations are expected to be met.

Mt Brook does not have a monopoly on being a place of high standards and expectations and where its residents feel superior and privileged to those in surrounding areas.In fact such communities exist in every town to some extent.

It would be logical for any person who was raised in such an environment to carry those teachings wherever they may travel.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how the young adults from Mt Brook partied while there.Afterall that is why their parents paid $1400.00 for their participation in the trip.Everyone knew they before they ever left Mt.Brook that there would be unlimited alcohol consumption,gambling,possibility of sexual activities for some,drug use for some and for sure lots of sand and sun.Again all were aware of what may go on on the vacation.

Let me be clear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the graduates partying until they dropped on a daily basis.Afterall that is why they were there.Again nothing wrong with the hearty partying that has been reported as they more than likely had done so within the city limits of Mt. Brook numerous times prior to ever landing in Aruba.Although they had to be cautious in Mt.Brook in Aruba they could do it legally.Not a bad thing,just the reality of the way things are.

The same abuse of alcohol and drugs can be found in Anytown,USA as it can in all corners of the earth.Aruba also has there fair share of such abuse.Like anywhere else people will decide if they will partake in such activities whether it be Aruba,Mt.Brook or any other place in the world.

Joran and the Kalpoe's and others their age in Aruba decide just as the Mt.Brooker's as to whether they expose themselves to such abuse and whether anyone wants to admit it or not a vast majority of all people everywhere go thru the party phase of their life while around that age.

Bottom line is the young adults from Mt.Brook nor the young adults in Aruba were doing anything that is not the norm for people of that age.

No doubt there are good and bad people in every community and town,no Mt.Brook is not exempt from the same things that plague most communities.Mt.Brook has bad people within their city limits.Yes there are a lot of bad people with disposable incomes in all affluent communities.

Partying seems to be acceptable in Mt. Brook as it is in Aruba.So acknowledging such can remove the element of alcohol and drugs from this case as it seems to be acceptable by all parties involved.

Sex can also be removed as being an element into this case as it is obvious from what has been revealed by pics from the trip of girls from Mt.Brook appearing to be make out with one another.Cool if that is what they want to do.It is obvious that Joran has no problem finding sex.It is obvious that Natalee was not just a simple naive person.It was not her first rodeo.But who cares who had sex as that is what people do.Nothing wrong with anyone having sex as that is their business.

It seems that someone who had knowledge of Natalee leaving with Joran was not happy with her conduct.Whether this was one of her friends who may have been pissed by Natalee making a move on Joran or by the guy who yelled for her to get out of the car who may have had the hots for Natalee or perhaps it may have been her very own step relatives who may have been so embarrassed by Natalee's conduct as her behavior could have been perceived by the step relatives as making their family name look bad and just a little bit of ragging to them by other intoxicated students may have lit a fury within one or both of the step relatives and they felt they had to scold her upon her return the hotel.

Things may have gotten well out of hand upon her return and perhaps an unintended accident happened and Nat was killed.Panic set in and she was discarded into the trash dumpster and all left as soon as they could.If this happened only a few would have direct knowledge of it.For some reason people who supposedly cared for Natalee hopped on their plane and went home to never return and search for the girl.

No best friend or interestingly no step relative thought enough of Natalee to stay behind and search for her.Why would they not stay behind and look for one of their own?Is it a possibility that Natalee was not considered to be one of them since she was an implant into their community?Is that why they had little to no regard for searching for her?Was she considered one of them or was she considered an embarrassment to them???

The only plausible explanations as to why they would leave and never return are either one or more of them knows she ran away from prior experiences or one or more of them were involved in a scolding that went too far and she was discarded in the trash dumpster and they got the hell out of dodge.

Too many things do not add up from the Mt. Brook side.

[COLUMBO]

Biz:

Any theory is as good as any....but A.L.E. is investigating a premeditated murder with other suspicions...and have stated this publicly. With all the emphasis there on touri$m, I am sure that this terminology is used lightly.

[COLUMBO]

sorry-ISN'T used lightly

[annie]

COLUMBO

Do you know of any other girl (besides Amy) who has just vanished like this, perhaps a local girl?

[Saigon]

the family has changed their last names to hide from the law but family members due live on the island today...their home base is Venezuela....the Mansurs are supposedly very tied to the Cuntrera Caruana clan
STARTING TO GET THE PICTURE ABOUT THAT HOTEL AND CASINO
the Ale needs to send the surveilence tape for that night to Holland to see if it was doctored.

Posted by: aragon | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:42 PM

This is the internet and I know you can say what you want but the Cuntrera Caruana people have no ties to the Mansur family whatsoever.

[aragon]

I must say not knowing Natalee's state of mine, if it were me and I was 18 again and just had 5 days of music, parties, beach,drinking, gambling, sun...
I definetly wouldn't want to leave either.
what a hell of a trip those kids had....with the exception on Nat gone.

[COLUMBO]

I think it is naive to assume that similar operations don't exist in suburban U.S.A. When no trace is ever found, it usually points to involvement by folks in law enforcement-sad to say. I got that vibe from this case very early on.

[colmom]

So Jojan, takes Natalee's cell to call her friend? But Nat.s phone was found at the HI. How does that fits in your theory, Dan?

[Bizman12]

Biz:

Any theory is as good as any....but A.L.E. is investigating a premeditated murder with other suspicions...and have stated this publicly. With all the emphasis there on touri$m, I am sure that this terminology is used lightly.

Posted by: COLUMBO | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:56 PM

That is speculation and a smokescreen to try and shut Beth Twitty up.

Without any proof whatsover a premediatated murder cannot be investigated.Facts and truths will have to come to light before premediatation cannot be considered.They dont have proof of squat,no proof of murder has been offered up as no such proof exists to date.That would make premeditated murder pure speculation.

In what I therorized I do believe there was premeditation as far as deciding to scold her for her behavior,but premeditated to the point of murder.An accident would have been the result of the premeditated scolding.

[wreck]

what a hell of a trip those kids had....with the exception on Nat gone.

Posted by: aragon | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 09:03 PM

other than THAT Mrs. Lincoln -- how did you enjoy the play? geesh

[colombo's mom]

COLOMBO, sweetheart
Go brush your theth now. honey. Time to go to bed.

your mom.

[CSI]

CSI--Dompig confirmed that Joran admitted having sex with Natalee while she was in and out of consciousness and Dompig expressed surprise the Judge didn't charge him.

Posted by: Bitsey | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 08:20 PM

I love your sense of humor. Show me the link.

[COLUMBO]

Posted by: Bizman12 | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 09:05 PM

So you are saying that a police chief on a tourist island depending on tourism dollars stated publicly for the world to see that he is investigating a premeditated murder-suggesting that a killer is loose on the island....to shut upo Beth Twitty????

You may wanna re-think before hitting "post" lol

[COLUMBO]

LOL-I have a Dutch mom. Hey mom-why not just confess and get it over with???

[CSI]

I have always wondered what happened to Natalee's suitcases. Beth showed the media ever thing in Natalee's room, ready to leave, but she only had a carry-on. I do not know one girl who would go to Aruba for 5 days with only a carry-on. What happened to the rest of her luggage? The other girls had plenty of luggage - where was Natalee's?

[CARRY NATION]

I am under the impression LE watch to see if people close their eyes as a sign of lying when making a statement or answering a question. Joran closed his eyes three times (that I noticed) during the ABC interview. I can only remember what two of the questions were about. One had to do with the three other girls being true or not and Joran answered NO with his eyes closed. The other one I remember clearly was when asked "did you kill NH" he answered no with open eyes, but when asked "did you leave/see her in distress, he answered NO with his eyes shut.

[COLUMBO]

welcome back "ROY"

[annie]

Perhaps seeing as how they have spent so much time investigating Joran given that he was supposedly the last person to see her alive, maybe they should spend as much time investigating the last place she was seen alive.

[COLUMBO]

Suppose I need to apologize to Michael Posner:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/