Unraveling The Mystery Of Natalee Holloway

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway may not ever be solved. All we have to look to are assorted bits of information gathered from various, sometimes conflicting sources. The particular scenario I'm going to lay out here may not be any better than some others. But I am going to construct a narrative from information and suppositions which make sense to me based upon what I know and think.

I believe Natalee Holloway was pushing limits that night, as were many of the MB kids as they went to C and C that night to "really blow it out." It was the last night of a trip which involved heavy drinking, drug use by some, and also casual sex. Mountain Brook is a privileged community. Whether it is the best and the brightest is an arguable point. However, it certainly is the richest when it comes to Alabama. And a certain sense of entitlement, along with believing there's no need to tarnish the reputation of Natalee Holloway has led to MB being less than candid about certain aspects of the trip.

Many will say, Why bother? What does it have to do with Natalee's disappearance? But the truth does matter. It has gotten to the point where it is indecent for the MB community to allow a community member to make allegations of rape, drugging and kidnapping while protecting their own children by withholding the truth of the trip.

Frankly, I suspect the parents of MB are as much in denial as anyone else. Between not wanting to confront what some of their own children are capable of, and out of concern for their futures and reputations, I suspect MB is precisely the kind of upscale community quite content to point all kinds of fingers at others without feeling the slightest need to reveal its own truths.

Those details provide vital context to what may or may not have happened that night as a result of Natalee's condition and state of mind. Suggesting those elements of the story are not relevant while spinning myths of cars mistaken for taxis, or a girl being forcibly pushed into a car is repugnant in its ignorance and the allegations have become pathetic in their unchallenged repetition.

Were the suspects in this case Americans none of this would have gone on. It is a sad display of both America's and MB's arrogance that they feel they can say whatever they want to say about an island and three boys without one ounce of accountability for being truthful for their side of the tale.

Now, to the point. It seems fairly obvious that Natalee was drinking and partying heavily most of the week and all during the day before the last night on the trip. I don't think she was anything but a decent, average young American girl. But it's also likely that she had picked out Joran as much as he may have later picked out her. I believe she left and stayed willingly with Joran and the Kalpoes and most likely was assuming she would hook up with Joran sexually, if she was thinking much at all at that point.

There are individuals in MB who know that there were occasions when Natalee went a bit overboard when it came to partying and also boys. And by boys I mean more in the sense of flirting or being provocative with them, not necessarily engaging in some certain kind of sexual activity. My point is not that Natalee was loose, or a fallen angel, simply that she appears to have had the capacity to over indulge in partying and find herself in the company of someone to whom she is attracted. How she may or may not have ultimately acted intimately on such occasions isn't relevant to this particular scenario and I don't pretend to have specific knowledge of that on this or any other occasion.

The psychology of Natalee Holloway is likely a somewhat troubled one. She appears to have worked incredibly hard to have measured up. And it's at least possible that some of those same forces caused her to go a bit too near the edge when she found herself unrestrained by the dominating influence of her Mother.

I personally believe that for all her good intentions to get answers in the disappearance of her lovely daughter, the Mother of Natalee Holloway likely has her own set of truths in this matter she'd just as soon not acknowledge, or have revealed. From a psychological perspective, it's at least possible to consider that her extraordinary efforts and the ability to cast unproven accusations time and time again is the way she has consciously or unconsciously chosen to deal with this tragedy without being forced to examine her relationship with her daughter and how those dynamics may have influenced events. And while it is difficult to judge a Mother who has suffered such a tragic loss, that still doesn't make her behavior right, or even helpful at this point. The family seems totally unwilling to entertain any contemplation of its own dynamics which may have ultimately led to Natalee being put at risk.

That matters because they are not only accusing Joran and the Kalpoes of rape and murder, but of having manipulated Natalee's state of mind, possibly through drugs. We can't, but if we could access the whole truth and perhaps come to understand the notion that given the time and place Natalee may have been capable of experimenting beyond what she may have done normally by taking some drug, then it opens the door to an accidental overdose. And it is for that reason alone I bring these psychological elements up, not to cast aspersions on Natalee or her family.

I suspect the three boys likely didn't see Natalee as anything more than some American blond out looking for fun and adventure and its likely they were more than willing to supply it. Lost in this story has been the sad way vacation spots and even islands like Aruba can be so shallow in their regard for the deeper aspects of human life when it comes to tourists. But that is not specific to Aruba, or even the hosts.

From Florida, to Mexico, to any number of other locations, America's privilege and wealth has led to a class of mostly young people who cavalierly dance into this or that vacation hot spot with no more regard for anything than their own pleasure. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that such attitudes and practices can sometimes lead to a disastrous end. But there are two sides playing that game and blaming one without holding the other accountable is superficial at best, likely born more from prejudice than real thought.

Given certain statements about Joran's own condition the next day, it would seem he may have been lying about not being drunk, or having taken some kind of drug. I think it possible that they all decided to secure and take something, possibly ecstasy. I am not convinced that it was slipped to her without her knowing. I think it's quite possible that it was the last one step too far in a week of carefree indulgence she likely wasn't mature or stable enough to survive.

In this scenario, and it is indeed, only one, instead of what perhaps the boys thought they'd get, a willing, carefree blond, Natalee had some type of reaction to the drug. There were fluids in the back seat of the car and I think it at least possible that Natalee began to be sick, causing Deepak to drop her and Joran back at the beach. For this next segment, I am relying somewhat on Joran's disclosures during a recent interview.

He tells us they were walking back and forth up and down the beach. True, one does that with a romantic sort of stroll, but it is also what one does when trying to straighten or sober another up. Likely they were seen during this period and if Natalee was getting into trouble from a drug overdose and Joran was trying to get her through it, the suggestion of a romantic walk could be Joran's way of covering it up. One guess, and it can only be a guess is that it didn't work and Natalee began to lose consciousness.

From the picture at right taken from the casino video we see Natalee did have a cell phone. It's been reported that a call from Natalee's cell phone may have come in to the cell phone of William Morris, a friend. I do wonder if he had called her earlier in the night, perhaps being concerned for her as she had left with the three boys.

One way or another, I speculate that Joran placed that call as the number was stored, or was the last incoming call to her cell phone, as she was sinking deeper into unconsciousness and he wanted to hand her off to friends. I'm not convinced that there was any plan for harm to come to Natalee Holloway from activities that night. Possibly the phone was shut off and Joran never got through.

Beginning to panic and in his own drunken or drugged state of mind, he called one of the Kalpoes. Joran stated that they said it was Deepak that picked him up but that was hidden by agreement to keep Satish out of it. If the boys did nothing wrong, or there were no secrets to be kept, there would seem to be no need to keep Satish out of anything.

Joran has also at least twice made a point of stating he picked Natalee up in his arms. I think it's possible that she was unconscious at the time and, as there were other people around on the beach, he needs an explanation as to why he would be seen with her in his arms. Also, the sneakers come into play. Why would someone not take sneakers they'd removed along with them when leaving a beach? Because they had something in their arms, perhaps.

A direct quote from Joran from the interview states "we" got in the car. I think it's possible that at this point "we" represents Joran, an unconscious Natalee and perhaps Satish, and or even Deepak. They very well may have then driven to the area of the raquet ball club to decide what they should do. If this scenario is close to correct, somewhere along the line it was discovered that Natalee had passed away from an accidental overdose of alcohol and ecstasy after an almost week long party her body simply didn't endure.

Given Joran's motivations to preserve his future, his somewhat selfish, immature and even perhaps ego-maniacal make up - and the Kalpoes fears of being sent back to Suriname were they involved in a tragic controversy, I think it is possible that they decided to dispose of the body rather than simply drive to the police or the hospital and turn her over. Enter Steve Croes.

Perhaps at this point arrangements were made for Steve Croes to help them out by securing a boat and depositing Natalee's body out in the ocean beyond some point of no return. If this scenario is correct, it was the boy's lack of ultimate caring for just another tourist, coupled with their belief that they were as much, in a sense, victims of events as anyone else which would support their ability to seemingly without conscious continue to lie about events of that night right up until today.

It seemed rather clear from the start that the family of Natalee Holloway, specifically her Mother, wanted nothing less than a hanging for the rape and murder of Natalee.  That persistent, intensely angry approach early on would most likely have driven the boys to cover up even more from the start, even if it was an accidental death.

Had this happened in America, LE wouldn't have allowed the almost lynch mob-like mentality with which the boys were confronted from the start to have driven the investigation. As things stand, were I them in this admittedly speculative position, I'd have no reason to believe coming clean now would do any good at all. After all, it was an accident. I'm not to blame.

But then, as America has too often learned from her politics, sometimes it is the cover up and not the crime that does the greater harm.

If any of the above speculations and assumptions are even close to correct, than a less than candid, honest approach from, not just the boys, but from MB and Natalee's family as well could have all contributed to the confounding puzzle we seem to face today.

Unfortunately, the truth likely can never will out in a complicated affair when any one involved faction remains unwilling to tell their particular part of it. Sadly, that seems to be the case for every element so involved here.

Comments

[lila]

Posted by: Fla Girl | Jul 10, 2005 12:00:33 AM

A couple of weeks ago, Arubagirl posted that her friend had seen the Kalpoe car on the road going to Montana (Van der Sloot's neighborhood) at approximately 2:00 a.m. the morning Natalee disappeared. Arubagirl is a pretty darned reliable which is why I think the Kalpoes are still lying about the Marriott story.

Has anyone heard anything (at SM perhaps) about any followup on this? Arubagirl mentioned notifying a relative who was a police officer on the island. This bit would corroborate the fishermen's claim that no one was on the beach that morning.
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I just saw this on another board. Arubagirl confirms that a woman did report this to the police. So how does this fit in with Joran's interview on ABC.

[lurking]

And the mainstream media in this case has been the biggest agitator I think.

[annie]

One of the things you have to remember is that Natalee, while being driven away in the car, seemed to be full of beans and raring to go, hence didn't she call something out of the window about how she was enjoying herself. I think for Natalee the night was young, and she did not want to go back to the hotel. She was in a party mood, and weren't there parties going on at the beach?

[spud]

Very plausible, Dan. But I think they could have taken Natalee's body back to the Van der Sloot's home rather than out to sea. Their property is one of the only places on the island that hasn't been thoroughly searched.

[Bitsey]

>>Were the suspects in this case Americans none of this would have gone on. It is a sad display of both America's and MB's arrogance that they feel they can say whatever they want to say about an island and three boys without one ounce of accountability for being truthful for their side of the tale.<<

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Americans--and especially the mother of the victim-- don't express their opinions about crimes and those suspected of committing crimes but aren't being prosecuted. Laci's parents did it. Terri Schiavo's did it. That's what desperate parents do.

Nobody in Mountain Brook has been named either suspect or person of interest. If it happens, our media will be all over 'em and I have no doubt that Beth will be as well.

[Bryce]

If she was rolling on E she may have gone for swim to cool off and drowned. Swimming is almost as much fun as sex and dancing when rolling. Not that I have first hand experience.

[annie]

Do you think Joran might have gone for a swim with Natalee, and that is what happened, and he did a Senator Kennedy and just went home!

[iwabwu]

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Posted by: wreck | Tuesday, November 29, 2005 at 06:19 PM

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[aragon]

joran's shoes may be used to keep his mouth shut..they could easily be placed with the body to implicate him....
Obviously we all have speculation on this after 9 months of alot of information...be it true or false

So Curiou what we may have in common...
WHO ARE YOUR TOP 5 SUSPECTS AT THIS POINT....mine are
1. Deepak
2. Steve Croes
3. owner of the charter fishing boat Pair a Dice / capt monte
4. the security guards / and proprietor of the Exclesor Casino Mike Posner

[annie]

aragon

Stick the jogger guy onto that as well, who was mentioned in the Vanity Fair article as some kind of rapist/murderer, and just happened to disappear after Natalee went missing.

[RstJ]

Sounds a good scenario, although I think a more logical reason for her disappearing is that Joran killed her. I can't be the only one who's noticed that trouble seems to follow this kid around from his scuffling before the murder, to whatever happened when those process servers caught up w/him. When Joran's in the house, fists tend to fly. But, who knows. If she OD'd off something they gave her (willingly or unwillingly) they'd probably hide the body too. And I'm glad Dan didn't forget our pal Steve Croes who helpfully came forward to support the wrong alibi.

But the cellphone call continues to be problematic. We still don't know when it was made, what's on it, and where it triangulates to. We don't even know for sure what phone made it. The circle of knowledge on that call is very, very tight. I think it's the single most important aspect of this case. A call from a missing person at about the time they vanished. That's huge. Yet no one other than Charles Croes has publicly mentioned it, and even he was elliptical in the extreme (helped by Greta's crew obviously and clumsily editing his interview).

RstJ

[iwabwu]

Aragon,

I feel that there are a number of events that night that led to her disappearance. Responsibility is based on event, several may have responsibility. What they are responsible for, I don't know. However, I think the truth needs to be told. Just my humble opinion.

[bryce]

Annie:

If he was rolling as well he may not have even realized what happened for a few minutes. From what I have read about the currents around the island it is pretty easy to get caught in them and washed out to sea.

That would explain the lies later, does sort of remind one of Chapequdic. He may have even called his friends to come look for her but by the time they got there she probably would have been long gone.

[annie]

bryce

I have read on here that some people saw Natalee swimming in the sea that night, but with a blonde haired man, whether that is true or not, who knows definitely, unless it is straight from the horse's mouth.

[jackson80]

correct me if i am wrong, but Dan seems to just skip over the role of ALE in this mess. there are many public cases reporting on public corruption and favoritism. This case has all the earmarks of a coverup from day one. Would that not make her parents furious? It does me, and it should you. But of course, you play to the Beth bashers and blame Natalee.

[chance]

I've thought something similar for a long time. I think the main reason for three three suspects lies is to cover up the sexual part of it. I think Joran, or perhaps the Kalpoes as well, did take advantage of Nat in her intoxicated state. I'm not sure if it involved actual intercourse or not but clearly something happened. They didn't go to the bar so late to meet new friends, they went to hook up with the drunken MB girls. I don't think Nat was singled out before hand, it just ended up that way. If you are a guy with an ego like Joran's, are looking for sex, and end up with an intoxicated, possibly passed out girl - the sex is going to happen in my opinion.

[wvcountrygirl]

Who says anyone supplied NH any drug? Wasn't it mentioned early on that she was/or had been on prescription meds? I know from experience, there are some drugs, ie, anti-depressants, pain meds, antibiotics that should never be mixed with alcohol. (I'm glad I had the age/knowledge/experience to know this is not how drinking is supposed to make you feel, and stopped the alcohol intake.) Most 17-18 year olds don't have that much experience with these effects. And if you've ever raised a few, you know they do not have that frontal lobe thing going on. Possibly, the combinations of 151, whatever else she'd been drinking that day/week and her medication could have reacted. She gets sick, they walk the beach, she wants to sit and falls asleep. Only she doesn't wake. Then the panic/coverup/all the lies begin...Or..I'd go with the Chapaquidic scenario. Was she sexually assaulted prior to getting ill? I don't think we'll ever know unless one of the amigos admit to it..and we know that ain't happening

[Robin Tyra]

Amazing article, Dan.

Thank you!

[Hopingforthebest]

perhaps if any of the 3 are guilty of wrongdoing they will use Dan's scenerio to plead guilty to lesser sentence and get it over with.

[justicefornatalee]

Dan, several people from Aruba have stated that if the above did happen, a call to 911 (emergency) would be the first thing a citizen would do. Unlike in the US, those people would not have been implicated in a crime. It seems that this is general knowledge there.

Posted by: greenwing | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 04:51 PM

My thoughts exactly. Isn't that one of the reasons ALE suspected foul play?

Must be more to it than accidental overdose.
Not saying kidnapping/rape/murder--but SOME
misdeed.

[Hopingforthebest]

I may be wrong but I believe KJ has enough to charge if NH's remains are found. when that happens things will probably move pretty quick

[TuxedoJunction]

~snip~
This is not about Beth !! Get it ?.....Has someone reminded Beth of this?

Stop the bashing of her and pointing fingers at the MTBROOK People. Bottom line here is Natalee is missing. The 3 AMIGOES were the last ones with her.... How are you so sure these 3 were, in fact, the last to be with her?
~snip~
Now what the hell does one with a normal mind think of all that. Get real people..... Not a bad idea, try it.
Posted by: Bethdefender | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 05:54 PM

[Honey]

There I disagree, X is a club drug and people who take X usually want to dance all night or have sex all night.

I just don't see a first time X user doing so without telling any friend.

Posted by: xxx | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 05:06 PM

I don't see a first time user taking X at two in the morning, when they'd have to get on a plane with their friends, in a few hours. Neither do I see any of the guys slipping someone drugs without their knowledge, especially X. It tastes way too foul to slip in a drink and doesn't disolve very well.

[Robin Tyra]

Must be more to it than accidental overdose.
Not saying kidnapping/rape/murder--but SOME
misdeed.

Posted by: justicefornatalee | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:02 PM

Perhaps. They wouldn't be the first kids to meet the tailend of alcohol poisoning and then panic. You've heard the stories. The victim is discovered dead in the back seat or in someone's bedroom and everyone panics, not wanting to be held responsible for the accidental death. It's tragic; it is WRONG not to seek help! But it is also a far cry from rape and murder. AND, it must be remembered that these boys met Natalee after a long week of partying. It has been said by the MB kids that they were having champagne breakfasts. It might be reasonable to say that many of them were never really sober throughout the entire trip.

I'm not even assigning blame to the chaperones, much less to three boys who met these kids after many days of an endless drinkfest.

Alcohol poisoning is tragic. It is also tragic to unjustly assign blame and ruin other lives in order to even the score.

[aragon]

Chapaquidic got mentioned here a couple times and we all know how that
turned out....Senator Ted Kennedy...
so who knows maybe Joran's future isn't ruined.

[Robin Tyra]

Not a good comparison, Aragon.

It can be said that the lives of the 3 boys are already ruined. Given the worldwide coverage of the case and the tenacity of the Twittys, I don't think the 3 will ever have normal lives again.

If Natalee died of an accidental death, that was NOT brought on by these three, how very sad indeed.

[annie]

All this stuff with the drugs and alcohol would have been utterly embarrasing to the MB crowd and those who organised the trip, and what these kids were up to, when reports of all the wild behaviour would have come out. Seems like Beth and others just refuse to believe any of this.

[Honey]

I think a good comprehensive investigation would clear up some facts ~ it doesn't have to be a network. Who would want a pair of size 14 shoes? How many on Aruba would fit into them?

Posted by: iwabwu | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 05:54 PM

I don't think the beach bums who wander the beach would care about what size they were. Homeless people aren't that choosy. They'd take Natalee's flipflops, too.

[aragon]

does anyone know if the surveilence tape at the holiday inn that night was sent to holland to see if it was doctored....the security guards were released because the tape didn't show natalee returning....Michael Posner is proprietor of the Casino there and could have easily had the tape altered...the security guards are propably on his pay roll and there to protect his interest as much as the quest.

[Honey]

I wish a network with some serious resources would really look into the case and really clear up some facts.

Posted by: Dan | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 05:52 PM

I can clear up one fact. If Natalee took X at around 1:30, she'd just be coming on to it at about 2:30, when Joran supposedly left her. She wouldn't be overdosing and she'd be wired as hell, not coming in and out of conciousness.

[COLUMBO]

Article glosses over the fact that 8 people were detained....9 if you believe the article about the police officer:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63324

and people call Beth's rapid reaction suspicious when nobody really knows whether she received a phone message and what it may have contained.

Interesting article Dan-not buying. Dompig publicly stated that there is an ongoing investigation of a premeditated murder. Considering the sensitivity to tourism, I don't think he'd ever make a statement like that publicly without good reason. Beaches don't have security guards, and a McDonald's would not have two of them.

[annie]

There was also some postings regarding a woman who was distressed running along the beach. Natalee on something maybe? Then she decides to go for a swim, and that is when she is seen from the shore,.....not waving, but drowning, sort of thing. Joran tries to stop her, but there is nothing he can do, and nothing more to be said because Joran knows she is dead and gone, so in the end he just gives up and goes home!

[Skye]

It is also tragic to unjustly assign blame and ruin other lives in order to even the score.

Posted by: Robin Tyra | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:11 PM

Is that what you think this case is about? To even the score?

The vicitims family has not set out to settle a score. They want the truth, they want answers that lead to the recovery of their daughter , dead or alive and they want justice for what crimes lead to her demise.

What part of that appears to be a score to settle in your demented mind?

[Bitsey]

I believe Joran's bigger secret is that one or both of the K boys did rape Natalee as payback for unkind racist remarks and Joran helped out by holding his hand over her mouth so she wouldn't scream. This would have put his shoes near her head. Vomit on shoes. She choked and died. Vomit attracts ants.

[COLUMBO]

Posted by: annie | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:30 PM

Ever consider she was running from him-into the surf?

[annie]

COLUMBO

I think it sounds like there were quite a few people she could have run to on the beach that night if that was the case.

[antoinette]

Why is so hard for some of you, put yourselves in Joran’s age, what you will do if you are hooked by a girl like Natalee? Hope Beth is aware that Her daughter was young woman with the extension of the word. Feel more a fallen angel, for a child that is rape by his relatives and get use to that from early in her life
I do not think was Joran or the K2. IMO, Joran was uncomfortable with the 2K because she was in his part. I think he was relief when she asked him to put her down, doubt it very much she was dead, and I think if he saw her throwing up, I bet that he would not leave her in there, Joran knew Natalee’s friends. He knew where her hotel was, so. She was either crying or disappointed that Joran did not stay, or making a scene Bethy style. Who knows?
I really hope that the MBkids, realize that if Joran is declare innocent, with the latest allegations that ALE and FBI did. I pretty much believe the Lawsuits are going to start pointing in Alabama direction. Beth and Dave want money now

[COLUMBO]

something in here said she fell of a fence-abrased forehead-

http://www.coffeepotghost.com/NATALEE_HOLLOWAY_CASE_index.html

Was funny, 'til I found their Lacy Peterson stuff....whoa....

[COLUMBO]

"I think it sounds like there were quite a few people she could have run to on the beach that night if that was the case."

or run from, for that matter......

[Skye]

I don't think the 3 will ever have normal lives again.

If Natalee died of an accidental death, that was NOT brought on by these three, how very sad indeed.

Posted by: Robin Tyra | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:17 PM

Your sympathy is misplaced. If she died an accidental death, Joran is guilty of crimes against a corpse .

If she died accidently why dispose of the body? Do you see something wrong with the picture here , Robin. Is Joran supposed to be allowed to get rid of a body for some reason that most of the world is not aware of?

Any ruin of Joran's life he caused to himself. He lied and continued to lie. I do not feel sorry for him and what he has caused at will.

[wreck]

And on a sad note -- the great Barney Fife died today. Thanks, Don!

[nym2000]

I see a nice girl on the video. With her friends and 1 drink. Before she left for Aruba she was a honors student and on the dance team. How could 1 do drugs and stay on the dance team. I can not believe you think Joran is telling the truth. Go back to June 10, 2005 the first day after all 3 were arrested. They broke the first day and said something bad happened and were going to show the police were the body was. That is when PVDS police chief friend step in and covered the whole thing up saying it was a mistake in communication. This case should have been solve on June 10 if not for the Aruban cover up. How do you explain that instead of trashing a the victim. But go head and believe in an admitted liar.

[Honey]

If you are a guy with an ego like Joran's, are looking for sex, and end up with an intoxicated, possibly passed out girl - the sex is going to happen in my opinion.

Posted by: chance | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 06:45 PM

What is all the crap about Joran's ego? The people who actually know him, especially girls, say he's a gentle, sensitive, considerate guy. Sure he likes girls a lot. They like him, too, so there's no reason to force anyone to have sex and very few guys want anything to do with having sex with an unconcious or dead person. You guys are mistaking the normal confidence of an intelligent, popular, athletic Dutch young man, for an egotistical POS.

As far as Beth's lawsuit claim that he prefers blondes, everything I've seen shows a preference for cute, little, brunette island girls.

[SAD]

" am sick to death of people blaming Beth for this and putting her down for her efforts.
Damn all of you that bash her.
Unitl you lose on of your own you have nto idea what she feeling or thinking.
She also has much more info than any of us do.

This is not about Beth !! Get it ?"

Im so sick of idiots like you. When you are a psycho overcontrolling parent zelot coming from the asshole of the world , Alabama, you are the same psycho over controlling parent zelot coming from the asshole of the world , Alabama, when your daughter is missing.

This psycho lies and is totally unreliable. When does her lying stop?
By the way all the loyalty and friendshiop you yanks had in the Netherlands or Europe, is gone.
Caused by arrogant media imbecils like Geraldo and that bitch Nancy Grace.
If it wasnt voor the daily show we would think you were all nuts.
Look at Dan, 5 months ago he almost killed us for saying Joran didnt do it, no his new novel is that it was just an accident and cobver up.

We can al spend the second year talkin about this, but hey im going to ARUBA!
Drink a beer and have fun! one happy island.

[annie]

You know COLUMBO, I don't really think that it was Joran who killed Natalee, but I think there was somebody who was at that Club that night who came along later, after Joran. I think Joran suspects Deepak, but whether Natalee is dead because of foul play or because of drugs, don't know, just that somebody has then secreted her body, and the low lying bushes at the top of the beach would be the best place to quickly hide a body. So far, most of the searches seem to have taken place in the sand dunes and sea, but the dogs may be best for the search on land. From what people have said who know the beach, it seems like there were people around, so how on earth can you stand around and dig graves or carry dead bodies around, and then you would still have to bury that body somewhere. If you get more than one person involved, or two close relatives at most, the chances of keeping it a secret gets harder. Maybe just some guy who was following and watching.

[COLUMBO]

Posted by: annie | Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 07:51 PM

they are self annointed pimps running around casinos-enough said

[david r]

Dan, I have always felt that it was an accident much like you propose. I think that the boys had pulled off this routine a few times before-- identifying a tourist girl who was about to leave the island and was looking for a fling, hitting on her around closing time, plying her with ecstasy and 151. I think it went down much as you propose, except that the boys all had sex with her until they realized she was cratering. Then they tried to walk her up and down the beach to help her through her OD. I'm not sure this amounts to sexual assualt, and it would certainly not be murder, though some lesser crime might fit if Joran or the K-boys supplied her with a drug that killed her. They could have fessed up and taken some relatively minor punishment, and the girl's family would have some closure. Instead, they dumped her body in the deep water and left her parents to forever speculate about her fate.

Dave seemed pretty adamant that the encounter happened at Joran's 'apartment' at the VDS home. Do you know why he might feel this way ?

[COLUMBO]

"Dan, I have always felt that it was an accident much like you propose. "

premeditated accident?

[annie]

And do these self annointed pimps put something in the girls drinks and go and collect later?

[COLUMBO]

a virgin fetches big $