Twitty, Holloway Lawsuit Most Likely Going Nowhere

At about 1:30 a.m., court papers say, an intoxicated Holloway left with van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. Several of Holloway's friends saw her in the car with the youths and asked her to get out, court papers say, but she did not.

Natalee Holloway was eighteen and intoxicated of her own free will. If this ever did come to trial, which I doubt it will, certain individuals from Alabama will be compelled to testify that Natalee Holloway was acting in a manner that night wholly inconsistent with the image portrayed on Fox News. They will also be forced to testify truthfully that, in all likelihood, this had nothing to do with any date rape drug scenario and it was not the first or only occasion Ms. Holloway exhibited such behavior, including previous evenings on the trip, as well as at gatherings back in Alabama.

The record would likely also reflect that Natalee had every opportunity to remove herself from the vehicle in question and elected to not do so, again, of her own free will. Said record will also likely come to reflect that Natalee had a troubling side to her which, while one or both of her parents may or may not have been aware of it, certainly others in the family were.

"The next hours of Natalee's young life were marked by torment, terror and debasement," court papers say, describing an imagined sexual assault. "Natalee has not been seen or heard from since entering Deepak's car with Joran."

A lawsuit has apparently been filed lacking any substantive facts, based solely on the single-minded and misguided hyperbole we've been witnessing on Fox News.

None of this goes to whether Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty of any crime, or not. And that's a question I can't claim to answer. But the lack of a charge or conviction in a tragic case does not give anyone the right to harass another individual or family with what amounts to a frivolous lawsuit.

Some of the information upon which I base my opinions above is information I have had for a significant period of time from unimpeachable sources more than close to the Twitty family and the case. Confidentiality agreements have prevented me from sharing that information here and I continue to honor those agreements.

However, were this to become a legal matter, I would feel compelled to report the truth as I know it, including providing my sources so that they could be subpoenaed to testify under oath in open court.

Based on all knowable facts at this time, I suspect any judge or jury would likely conclude that Natalee Holloway could just as easily have fallen victim to an unknown perpetrator on the way back to her hotel, including another Mountain Brook resident, taken her own life as a result of emotional issues complicated by intoxication, died accidentally from drowning, or been murdered by Joran Van Der Sloot.

As I doubt any evidence will point to one scenario over another, it's likely the lawsuit should simply be dismissed.

Update: I should point out that I believe the news of the lawsuit being served was broken at the JVDS Blog. And you will want to check in there today as I have reason to believe there will be additional information forthcoming.

Comments

[wreck]

I think all the amateur lawyers on here VASTLY underestimate John Q. Kelley.

I think all the ameteur sleuths on here VASTLY underestimate what actual evidence they DO have.

No one here is privy to all they in fact know.

[KayCee]

I'm curious about one thing: If the Twitty/Holloways and the MB community have so much to hide about Natalee, and Dan apparently has information that they do, why would they ever agree to file this suit? They must know that all the sordid details will come out in court. Why risk that if, as many believe, they have been working so hard all these months to hide it? MB students and other people involved in the case will most likely be subpoenaed to testify. I just don't get that.

[COLUMBO]

Its seems like its all about revenge and blood also against the VDS and Aruba as a nation.

Posted by: nelson | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:10 AM

It usually is to a parent that loses a child

[JUST ME]

I think all the amateur lawyers on here VASTLY underestimate John Q. Kelley.

I think all the ameteur sleuths on here VASTLY underestimate what actual evidence they DO have.

No one here is privy to all they in fact know.

Posted by: wreck | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:14 AM

This is the best post I have seen regasrding this YET. No one knows, unless you are one of the parties involved.

[xxx]

I suspect Dan's "secret" information amounts to no more than the fact that Natalee drank during the trip to Aruba and that she had, gasp, shock, imbibed alcohol in Mountain Brook as well.

Shocking, truly shocking.

[nelson]

Columbo its understandable up to an extent.

[Flip]

by: KayCee | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:15 AM

Shutting up the van der Sloots could be a reason.
If they pack their bags on the next plane out the Twitty's have won this battle.

[Skye]

Shutting up the van der Sloots could be a reason.
If they pack their bags on the next plane out the Twitty's have won this battle.

Posted by: Flip | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:22 AM

Packing up and catching the next plane out is probably what the VDS's will do but certainly not what is hoped for. Everyone wants the VDS's to talk. It is time they started talking.

[Taurus]

Posted by: yankee-in-france | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 09:43 AM

Duh, so then yank, why haven't they filed and what are they waiting for, Beth to run out of money?

[DoorMart]

I think Riehl's "info" about Natalee is bogus. If true, there would be no hesitation to post it here.

One thing I do know about this case: A couple of days after the search for Natalee began, an Arube police officer was spotted near the lighthouse in his squad car. He opened the trunk of the car. Those who spotted him called out to him, thinking he may have found Natalee. The officer didnt respond....instead angrily slammed the trunk and left.

Was that Natalee in the trunk? Was this this ALE who was nuddies w van der Sloot? (uh, yes it was).

Cant wait for these, and other things, to be revealed during the civil trial. WOO HOO

[xxx]

I agree, Dan's 'secret' information is just like the Bush Administration's 'secret' information...it is made up, imaginary or at best totally exaggerated beyond all recognition by a reasonable person.

[MaraSalvatrucha]

I heard a rumor that they're bringing the imperial grand wizard of the KKK (Alabama division) and some good 'ol boys to Aruba to raise some hell.

[Sharon]

THE VANDERSLOOTS....NEEDED TO BE PUT IN THEIR PLACE...they came to America and now need to play by our rules... I rejoice with the Holloways...and keep Joran out of our Universities, he is considered a suspect....we do not need someone like him around our innocent females!!

[paul]

i would welcome the turn of events.

If true as reported by Greta, the co author (ghost writer) of Dave Holloways upcoming book was the "hook" who lured Joran to NYC with promises of a book deal and he (the ghost writer) does not complete the contract with cash - sufficeint for Jorans defense - and there is an already established monetary connection of this author to the Holloway family there would be a good case for entrapment and several countersuits - like taking the profits from Holloways book.

Ecsulpatory I would supeona all family friends, school mates, teachers, police records both in Missippi and Alabama. I would question as follows - to men Did you ever have sex of any kind with Natalee Holloway, What was Natalee holloways reputation , Was Natalee Holloway to your direct knowledge a drug user,

To the women - Did Natalee Holoway ever reveal her sexual activities to you, etc.

Subpeona Holloways physicians - Was she sexually active, was she taling medication for ADD AHAD, What would be the side effects of those drugs if drining to excess occurs.

Counter suits at the Hague - home turf advantage - Harrassment just to start.

Jurisdictional would go to court of record first - that is if that court decides to allow the case to procede - if found against me I would appeal to circuit and then supreme courts -two to five year delay easily.

I would move to have Twittys "journal" dismissed in toto as hearsay. Corroboration by Dave Holloway or Jug could be defeated by same argument.

And I would envoke the Dutch embasssy as my representative in
UN and at state department.

Move to suppress any and all evidence from TV in which reporter or Twitty or Holloway mentions guilt or any other supressed evidence.

Lastly - subpeona Natalee Holloway herself - no evidence exists that person is deceased - cite stats for MIA in Alabama alone for one year - sufficient.

Thats just the first salvo.

Second shot - File suit in Aruba against Natalee Holloway for rape and /or corruption of the morals of a minor. Joran is 17 she is 18.

With evidence show that Holloway Twitty were knowledgeable of and permitted Natalee Holloway to consume alcohol in their home. This is a felony in Alabama and I would instantly procede against them in that state.

Just a beginning.

[greenwing]

It usually is to a parent that loses a child

Posted by: COLUMBO | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:16 AM

Do you speak from experience?

I can tell you, from personal experience, that revenge and blood is not a normal, healty reaction.

[a..incanada]

So the gates of BFN have opened and the Bethites are doing big time damage control for Twit!? What else is new? She won't get far with her misinfo campaign.

[SallyVee]

I tuned into Greta Van Scientologist last night to see what I could learn. It was amusing on several levels. First, the way Greta dwelled on the second-by-second details of the "amazing James Bond" serving of the lawsuit. Yeah, it was a cool move... but worthy of 15 minutes of boring discussion and back-patting? I wanted to hear details of the complaint! By the time the savvy Elronologist and her panel got around to discussing the actual lawsuit, I was barely paying attention.

But one thing I heard was some discussion about the "negligent" Van der Sloot parents... who apparently knew their kid had a "history of sexual predatory and sexual abuse" or some such. Anyway, this reminded me of Hairballdo Rivera's reporting months ago, about one to three other girls who claimed they'd been in some way abused by Joran. But I thought that turned out to be bogus?! Does anyone know? It's all so convoluted and confusing at this point.

I also thought to myself: hmmmm. "Negligent" parents? That could cut both ways I think. Seems to me the Twittys have a few questions to answer on the parenting front. If Dan's sources testify about Natalee's past history, plus the fact that the Twittys knowingly sent their daughter on a drinking/sexcapade trip... well, it's not going to look so good.

[MaraSalvatrucha]

Is it true that Paul Van Der Sloot "sharted" himself out of surprize when served with the papers pertaining to the lawsuit?

[KayCee]

Posted by: paul | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 11:22 AM

That's just it - don't you think that the Twitty/Holloways would anticipate all of this?! Then, WHY, if they are trying to hide the truth, would they open themselves up to this? I would like to hear one logical reason why.

[xxx]

It seems deeply idiotic to me to think that filing a PUBLIC LAWSUIT is a strategy by the family to hide the truth.

If the van der sloot's don't accept a default judgement then they will have every right to depose anyone they want to and to ask any questions they want about Natalee's background.

But my intuition strongly tells me that the van der sloots are going to forego this OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT ALL PUBLIC and instead, they are going to refuse to be deposed and take the judgement against themselves.

So, that kind of begs the question of who is really hiding the truth.

You don't file a civil suit alleging that your daughter was sexually assaulted if you are afraid of anything in her background.

[wreck]

Not saying they will, but I believe the FBI could bring Joran/Paulus in for questioning during their stay in NY. Merely being foriegners here probably gives them the right.

[JUST ME]

heard a rumor that they're bringing the imperial grand wizard of the KKK (Alabama division) and some good 'ol boys to Aruba to raise some hell.

Posted by: MaraSalvatrucha | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:59 AM

Now that is just plain stupid and a LIE. Stop with the SHIT

[mOxie]

Not saying they will, but I believe the FBI could bring Joran/Paulus in for questioning during their stay in NY. Merely being foriegners here probably gives them the right.

Posted by: wreck | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 11:36 AM

Dream on.

[mOxie]

I tuned into Greta Van Scientologist last night to see what I could learn. It was amusing on several levels. First, the way Greta dwelled on the second-by-second details of the "amazing James Bond" serving of the lawsuit. Yeah, it was a cool move... but worthy of 15 minutes of boring discussion and back-patting? I wanted to hear details of the complaint! By the time the savvy Elronologist and her panel got around to discussing the actual lawsuit, I was barely paying attention.

But one thing I heard was some discussion about the "negligent" Van der Sloot parents... who apparently knew their kid had a "history of sexual predatory and sexual abuse" or some such. Anyway, this reminded me of Hairballdo Rivera's reporting months ago, about one to three other girls who claimed they'd been in some way abused by Joran. But I thought that turned out to be bogus?! Does anyone know? It's all so convoluted and confusing at this point.

I also thought to myself: hmmmm. "Negligent" parents? That could cut both ways I think. Seems to me the Twittys have a few questions to answer on the parenting front. If Dan's sources testify about Natalee's past history, plus the fact that the Twittys knowingly sent their daughter on a drinking/sexcapade trip... well, it's not going to look so good.

Posted by: SallyVee | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 11:25 AM

Initiating a blow job could be construed as predatory behavior on Nat's part if the Twits want to play that tune.

[A Guy]

Posted by: SallyVee | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 11:25 AM

Initiating a blow job could be construed as predatory behavior on Nat's part if the Twits want to play that tune.

>>That has got to be just about the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted on this website.

[yankee-in-france]

Duh, so then yank, why haven't they filed and what are they waiting for, Beth to run out of money?

Posted by: Taurus | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 10:29 AM

Gee, Taurus, I did think you could figure it out. Guess you're not as smart as I thought you were.

Why haven't they filed yet? Maybe they will wait until Beth has written her book and received advances and maybe a movie deal --- and has lots of money in the bank!

[xxx]

What you don't seem to understand is that if the van der Sloots or the Kalpoes file any charges against Beth for slander then SHE GETS TO DEPOSE THEM, she gets to ask them all about their lies and story changes, she gets to defend herself using any documents or statements that they have made that would tend to show evidence that they are rapists and sexual predators.

You have got to be completely DELUSIONAL to think that the lawyers for the van der Sloots or the Kalpoes are ever going to risk their clients being formally deposed in a civil suit.

The end.

[Lindsey]

Dan--I think deep down in your heart, you must believe that Natalee deserves justice. If you have a heart that is. Why in the hell would you be bringing up these things about her "character". WHY????? What 18 year old doesn't drink??? Did you? Do you think you deserved to DIE for it????? WTH!! Out of all the clues and evidence that has come out in this case. Yes, there has been evidence, it's just been tampered with. Anyway, out of all this evidence, a person can't tell exactly how Natalee died. That's true. But, it's pretty darn obvious that somehow some way Joran killed her or he knows who did. You are defending a murderer. Plain and simple. There is no excuse for that. I hope it keeps you awake at night.

[xxx]

No. Dan does not believe Natalee deserves justice, because she willingly drank, willingly got intoxicated and willingly left with Joran.

In Dan's sick mind, though he will never say this outright, she did get justice, she got just what she was asking for and what she deserved.

[Mongo]

Posted by: yankee-in-france | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:15 PM

Duh, yep that'll work.
So why didn't Beth wait to bring her suit until they got their money for JDVS movie deal?

Keep trying

[xxx]

Oh, PS,

Except that Dan feels in addition to being dead in an unmarked grave somewhere Natalee also deserves to have any and every teenage action that she ever took 'exposed'....

Natalee deserves for the world to know about any drink she ever took, if she ever smoked a cigarette, if she ever had any sexual contact with any other boys.

Dan's message to the world is that if you aren't a sober and chaste stay at home teenage girl, then you are responsible for whatever happens to you, even to rape and murder and character assasination of the dead.

[DoorMart]

Its funny the way the VDS Fan Klub and the RiehlWerld Fan Klub is reacting to all this!

First.....Federal Rape Shield laws prevent the VDS lawyers from getting too much into Natalee's past (of course there isnt a past sex history). These rape shield laws also cover civil suits. Only similar prior activity is admissible (which doesnt bode well for Joran). VDS lawyers would have to offer proof Natalee got drunk all the time and ran off w boys all the time (which isnt true).

Second....never believe what a TV lawyer says. They havent researched the case nor even read the complaint...nor know the laws pertaining to each state. I wonder if NY has laws or rules which allow suits like Natalee's family have filed? Each state has different ways of doing things.

Third.....I havent heard a "dollar figure for damages" stated....so I wonder if this suit is merely to get discovery and depositions?

One thing for sure....the Arube govt is dropping major pantloads now. Just wonder when they will silence the VDS klan? I wouldnt be surprised they turn up missing soon

Oh..and remember when Joe Manamma said he had "people everywhere watching Joran"? Yup he was right!

[wreck]

I think there are a lot of gullible people out there. Did you ever think this promise of a book/movie deal by Garrison (supposedly Dave's ghostwriter) was nothing more than a ruse to get Joran and Paulus to let down their guard? They got played (and deservingly so.)

[Lindsey]

Also, I have to add...what personality "flaws" do you think they would find out about you Dan? I'm sure you are not perfect. I know I'm not. I wouldn't want everything I did when I was 18 broadcast to the world. And, I certainly don't think I deserved to die for anything I did. Neither did Natalee. Your pathetic, picking on a girl that can't defend herself. If she came back alive today, and wanted to talk to you about what you said about her, you would probably hide in your closet and cry like a little girl.

[brownalmostblackman]

Flip: It's more like YA KNOOOOOW, UH, UH,UH. Ah, really don't knoooow, ya knoooow. What a pair.

[Lindsey]

Posted by: xxx | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:23 PM

It gets back to the bottom line, which some of you fantasy buffs don't seem to understand. There is no victim and there is no evidence that Nat was a crime. On the other hand, libel and slander are crimes.

Are you from the US??? IF you were, you would know that to prove a SLANDER case, the VANDERSLOOTS would have to prove that Beth KNEW what she was saying was false and that she said it anyway. How could she KNOW what she was saying was false, when it's true? She couldn't; therefore, no case for the Vandersloots. Jeez, learn the law before you start spouting off that others are living in fantasy land. Who's living there?? OH YEAH< YOU!

[xxx]

Anyone who thinks that Natalee is alive is a fool.

I will try one more time, it is only slander if it is not true, if the plaintiff knows or should have reasonably known it was untrue and if it is done with malicious intent.

Since Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes have been listed as official suspects in the rape, kidnapping and premedidated murder of Natalee Holloway, they are going to have to go a pretty far piece to prove that anything Beth has said publicly comes close to meeting the burden of proof for slander.

[Lindsey]

Of course it was ok to lie about Joran and smear his name for months, right? Because you and the rest of the fantasy ridden Bethites know that Natalee was raped and murdered. If you can show some proof, I'd love to see it.

Okay, you are asking ME to prove that Natalee was murdered? What a joke. How could I when Aruban authorities were SO careful to get rid of all evidence. Like I said, its completley obvious that Joran killed her or knows who did. Americans aren't stupid, we KNOW WHAT YOU DID IN ARUBA!!! Where is your evidence that Beth made up lies about Joran? I think she was telling the truth about him.

[xxx]

No, sweetie,

If Beth is sued then she is the defendant and it is the PLAINTIFFS THAT HAVE TO PROVE THEIR CASE, IT IS THE KALPOES AND VAN DER SLOOTS THAT HAVE TO PROVE WHAT SHE SAID AMOUNTS TO SLANDER.

I don't understand why this idea of Beth getting sued and being able to depose the suspects and all their friends and demand access to police files seems to provide so much comfort to those who believe they are innocent.

But have at it, you will be proven wrong yet again, just like you were proven wrong that the boys never lied, that Joran never changed his stories, that Joran never said Natalee was coming in and out of consciousness, and so on.

The best thing that could happen to Beth is if they sue her.

[Lindsey]

Uh-uh, Lindsey. You have it wrong. Beth will have to prove her allegations when this goes to court, which it certainly will. Beth has no proof, only conjecture. Go learn some law.

You learn AMERICAN laws. I am right, you are wrong. All I have to say. Come on, I learned this in 7th grade. Don't argue law with me, you'll lose!!

[Lindsey]

Let me break it to you, Lindsey. I am one of the many Americans that is completely disgusted by Beth Twitty and her cabal of sickening liars. She will have to prove all of her allegations eventually.

I will explain this in simple terms. Let's say my bike goes missing and shortly before it went missing someone from the neighborhood was seen close to my bike, looking at my bike, and touching it. I call the cops, they go to the neighbor's, don't find the bike, and therefore can't charge him. In addition, the neighbor has a reasonable explanation for his behavior and an alibi. I may be pretty sure in my mind that the guy took the bike, but if I go around the neighborhood saying that he took it and calling him a thief, I will end up in court for slander.

Nope, you won't. Not in America. READ THE LAW before you embarass yourself anymore. Please.

[xxx]

Do yourself a favor and google "slander" "libel" and "defamation" and learn the meaning of the words.

If the police arrest me for theft, but do not charge me and my victim calls me a thief, that is not slander.

It only becomes slander if the police call up my victm and tell them that they made a mistake, and I am absolutely not a thief, and my alleged victim continues to call me a thief, disregarding the knowledge that the statement is false.

[The Avenger]

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[Sweetie]

Oh, you know that Natalee is dead? You have been sitting on evidence, then. You better call the ALE and tell them you have the proof.

Oh, you know that Natalee is alive? You have been sitting on evidence, then. You better call the ALE and tell them you have the proof.

DUH

[COLUMBO]

Oh, you know that Natalee is dead? You have been sitting on evidence, then. You better call the ALE and tell them you have the proof.

Posted by: mOxie | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:33 PM

A.L.E. has stated that there is an ongoing investigation of premditated murder with other suspicions

[wreck]

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Posted by: The Avenger | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 01:00 PM
well, that is certainly enlightening!!!!

[xxx]

I see you didnt' both googling the legal definition for the words you are bandying about...

Yeah, I am bored with this also, it is kind of pointless to try and talk to someone who doesn't know what the definition of the words they are using.

[COLUMBO]

To prove slander, there will need to be proof of innocence

[Lindsey]

To prove slander, there will need to be proof of innocence

Thank you.

[COLUMBO]

....which means that at least one of their stories will need to be proven to be true....which one? who knows!