Taylor Behl Update - No Death Penalty For Fawley

Looks like no death penalty for Fawley.

The prosecutor in the case of an amateur photographer charged with killing 17-year-old Virginia Commonwealth University student Taylor Behl agreed Monday to amend the indictment against him.

Mathews County Commonwealth's Attorney Jack Gill agreed to change the language of the murder indictment against Benjamin Fawley, 38, charging him with second-degree murder in Behl's death.

In a brief hearing in Mathews Circuit Court, defense attorneys argued that, as originally worded, the indictment was flawed because it offered multiple options to how Behl died.

The original indictment charged Fawley of first-degree murder while committing another felony, such as rape, sodomy or abduction. Under that indictment, Fawley could have been tried to capital murder and sentenced to death if convicted.

Comments

[Hobo]

Seems to me if they can't get enough to indict for murder-one, go for the life term and make it stick.

[k]

Here' the latest RTD story...it suggest that although the definition meets 2nd degree that they can still argue for a murger I conviction.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137834080348

[teresa]

Let's just hope they can make those porn charges stick. I know her mother must be very upset.

[Sweetie]

He should never see the light of day. Death is too easy, have him ponder what he did for the rest of his days.

[heheh]

If I recall correctly, Janet did not want the death penalty. I believe she wanted him to rot behind bars. Assuming he's convicted, he will have a jolly time in jail.

[jill]

I have a feeling he would know exactly what to do to survive behind bars.

[Patti L]

her mother is saying on the Court TV message boards that reports saying it was dropped to Murder 2 are incorrect, that its still Murder 1

[Captain Joe]

I'm surprized that they they didn't stick him with an auto theft charge. It would be the third time for that crime and he might never get out of prison for a third strike in some states.

[Midwest Anon]

The article that K linked us to, above, states at the end that the defense will try to get information about Taylor's sexula history. Sounds like the typical 1950's approach to blaming a woman for her own rape/murder. How predictable and disgusting.
Whether it's 1st or 2nd degree, I hope they have enough evidence to get a solid conviction.

[afmomx3]

looks to me like Janet finally got her wish for life without parole!!!...to be in prison, locked up for the rest of his life!!!
to suffer, remember..., what HE did to her precious daughter for the rest of his convicted criminal, miserable, existence of a life...
May Taylor finally rest, knowing that her Mom , L.E. & the Public caught the one responsible for her gruesome death.
Janet, all I can say for the bottom of my heart is...
GOD BLESS YOU, & May HE give you Peace knowing Taylor is at rest.

Respectfully,
afmomx3

[Paulo]

Janet Pelasara, Taylor Behl’s mother, to this day is the classiest and most dignified person I have ever seen. I don’t know how she does it, but she is a pillar.

Just a couple of corrections if I may: In the very, very first beginning of this abhorrent matter and within minutes of being notified that the remains found in Mathews County were indeed those of Taylor, Janet, and rightfully so, WANTED the death penalty for Ben Fawley.

Heheh--Only after Taylor’s funeral and meetings with LE, moreover, it was after Fawley’s arraignment in Mathews where Janet stated she was satisfied with life in prison for Fawley.

Afmomx3—No one caught Ben Fawley pertaining to Taylor’s untimely death. Yep, it was Ben himself who contacted LE and spilled his wildly concocted story of “rough sex.”

Midwest Anon—I agree with you. At the time of the arraignment Chris Collins and some lacky’s from the Public Defender’s Office started up with tearing up the “misconceptions” about Taylor’s behavior. We all saw that coming. If they come at Taylor’s behavior as a defense, the good people of Mathews are ready.

Captain Joe—Ah yes! My old buddy, I totally agree with your assessment. However, and I need to check my files but I think Fawley may have more than two GTA’s, yet, I don’t know about the jurisdictional matters re: a couple in Ohio, a couple in PA, and who knows about Richmond, VA? I definitely would promote the grand theft auto charge as well.

As for me, all I want to do is be the person who jacks this sh*thead’s arm with the needle, albeit, I think that would be too easy…I’d rather shoot him, fry him, hang him, or watch as his eyes pop out while strangling/suffocating him.

How do I really feel?

[abigail]

Why does it matter what kind if any sexual past she had? I was unaware that warrented murder. In the entire scheme of things does it make bf "right" to have done this if she was active in sexual realationships? NO! This sh*t blows my mind. I agree with you midwest, but this did not stop in the 50's as far as blaming women for what they wear or who they happened to have had sex with in the past. It's on ongoing excuse for many pitiful examples of "men" who commit rape/murder. Again, they are not at fault, nothing is their fault. Poor little bastard bf. uhhhggg.

[afmomx3]

OK Paulo, you're right.
bad choice of words using caught...
I guess I was trying to say that I was glad that Taylor COULD FINALLY REST !... KNOWING THAT ALL INVOLVED seek justice!!!... "I would not let "HIM" live on, without ME telling "HIM" what I thought at his final sentencing!!! "HE" deserves to die in prison, and I hope that HE; REMEMBERS EVERY BAD THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO HIM IN HIS MISERABLE EXISTENCE ,WHILE HE SITS THERE...PONDERING WHY HIS LIFE IS OVER...
HE, WILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME...WHY NOT TAYLOR HAVING ALL THE TIME IN THE WOLRD, WHY WAS SHE MURDERED???WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, BUT,??? why did he FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE HER LIFE? WHY DID HE LIE SOOO MAY TIMES BEFORE ADMITING THE TRUTH???...
I'M SOO THANKFULL, THAT THIS FOOL MADE A DEAL (WHITH THE DEVIL TO STAY ALIVE... IMHO) made a deal with prosecutor's, the court,and HIS defense attorney and HE ultimately confessed to Taylor's death!!!
SO, I PERSONALLY HOPE THAT HE ROTS IN THE SYSTEM WITH OTHERS LIKE HIM... "SOME", DON'T CARE FOR "HIS KIND" IN PRISON!!!

REST IN PEACE TAYLOR ...

[Rick]

Well sleuthies; imagine that you claimed to have killed your consenual partner accidently. Would you not want their sex life questioned. BFs liar is trying to show that Taylor liked being choked. That is why it matters.

[Rick]

Well sleuthies; imagine that you claimed to have killed your consenual partner accidently. Would you not want their sex life questioned. BFs liar is trying to show that Taylor liked being choked. That is why it matters.

[abigail]

Understand that Rick, but how are they going to prove she liked being choked to death?

[abigail]

AND...how do we know it was "consensual"? Perhaps if bf did not leave the most important witness dead in a ditch she could testify on her own behalf, but to tear her apart now? When she's gone? INSANE. This guy admitted it, and in his own world it was her fault, so yes the crazy f*cker gets to drag her name through the mud after he already left her body there (in the mud) for a month. Gotta love it! Gotta love all of his "rights".

[vedder]

Abby
I see you out there kiddo,Your heart and mind are in the right place.We are ALL sickened by BF trying to BLAME Taylor,her dad or anyone else for her own demise...

The kid didn't even get to see her 18th birthday you sick F*ck!!!

BEN YOU SELFISH,SELF-CENTERED F*UCK... you have daughters of your OWN, How could you?..HOW COULD YOU???...FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE,DO THE RIGHT THING!!!FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE QUIT BLAMING OTHERS..BE A MAN AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR ACTIONS...FOR ONCE...JUST TELL THE TRUTH!!!

DON'T YOU DO THIS TO THIS LITTLE GIRL....DON'T YOU DARE...

Abby, I see you "bleeding" out there, and believe me, you are not alone.
I have NEVER felt more HATRED towards another human being as I do towards BF...But don't worry...even though our 'justice system' is a complete joke(20 years of appeals on Death Row for child rapists and killers???... are you KIDDING ME!!!)just know that BF will ultimately have to answer to GOD.

Taylor is in a beautiful place right now, giving her mother STRENGTH, GUIDANCE and LIGHT...

Ben Fawley has NO idea the HORROR that awaits him for the rest of eternity...The only TRUE justice comes from GOD himself...

I believe this with all my heart...

If anyone looked like an angel here on earth it was Taylor...her beautiful smile has touched more people than even SHE could have imagined....

She wanted to 'make a difference' in someones life...but she did NOT...she made a difference in COUNTLESS peoples lives,and I myself, am very grateful for that....

In a way, I think we ALL are...

[teresa]

I think the jury will care more about BF past. Many girls have sex at Taylor's age. Makes me sick going after her like they would a rape victim.

[error404]

If the defendendant's version of events was never researched and brought to the table in a Courtroom, (irrespective of how repulsed people feel by this), then there wouldn't be much point in a Justice system or a Court of Law at all would there?

In order for Fawley's version of events to have any credibility at all, it will need to be 'established' whether or not Taylor participated in, or showed any direct interest in, the Fetish scene and its associated sexual practices.

It's not for me to judge people by the type of sexual acts they enjoy participating in. Personally, insofar as I'm concerned, as long as the people engaged in the sexual acts and fantasies are both consenting and are NOT harming others in any way, then what they like to do in the bedroom and in other places is their own business.

It seems to me that many people have taken it upon themselves to judge Fawley's friends and cast them in a poor light because of the fetish scene many of them are a part of...

I sure hope, should information come to light about Taylor behl suggesting that she was participated in the fetish scene and even enjoyed some aspects of it, that people don't cast stones at her in the same way and judge her as poorly.

People are just plain stupid.

[Rick]

error 404: I guess we are the only ones not thinking with our hearts here. I think we agree that for his liar to approach an "accidental" death case, he must pursue Taylor's sex life. Two guys fight in a bar. One cracks a que over the other's head and he dies. Some people's logic is: he killed the guy and that's all that matters. But the jury learns that the "victim" had a history of pounding guys smaller than he and in fact started this fight. The aggressor actually only hit the guy with a que.........after the victim pulled a knife.

[abigail]

We must also keep in mind that Taylor was underaged, although the law varies with consenting ages, bf was no teenager.
I understand that they will look into Taylor's past, they have to, to represent their client properly, however I doubt Taylor made a "physical" stab at bf before he did this to her. She may have hurt his "feelings", but either way none of what happened to her is justified. Again, it goes back to common sense and what is choking for sexual pleasures and what is choking to kill? IF she did agree to it maybe she felt uncomfortable while it was happening or right at the start. She made a sign or tried to tell him to stop. He did not. She started to fight the best she could (his wounds) and it pissed him off. Sorry, I do react with my heart and I know you do too at times Rick (we all do), but I do understand where you are coming from.

[St. Lucia]

Rick: if this was an "accidental" death Ben Fawley would not be in jail right now. There has been an investigation and the DA doesn't agree that Taylor pulled a knife on Ben, and that Ben hit her with a pool cue. Try to use analogies that are remotely similar to the case we are discussing. Please. Use your head and not your heart.
As I said above, the defense will assert she was playing with fire and got burnt. If that is your position as well, fair enough. I think you have a right to your view.
Since you didn't ask, I think he may get manslaughter, maybe, because this case isn't going to be about her sex life as much as it is about physical evidence, of which I fear there is very little or none. The autopsy was inconclusive. Unless something damming came up in the car or his apartment that we don't know about, I don't see a jury convicting him "beyond the shadow of a doubt." of any murder charge. Dropping the Murder 1 charge is VERY telling of what the DA doesn't have. The defense will certainly use the sex fetish thing, but I fear the jury couldn't convict based on lack of evidence alone. That will be the bottom line, does the evidence show he committed murder. It doesn't appear to be so.
So we'll have another OJ running around. Everyone will KNOW he did it, but no evidence. Oh well. That's life, as Frank Sinatra said.

[abigail]

Okay, so I have a question. If bf's past behavior towards women will probably not be admissible in court because charges were dropped or what have you, then why should Taylor's prior "sexual past" be admissible, if indeed it did exist to the extent the defence attorneys hope it did. I mean, "If you get to show yours then I get to show mine". I don't recall Taylor having any sort of criminal record at all, she was just taken advantage by one.

[Rick]

The question was why would the defense bring up Taylor's sex life. Not whether it was appropriate to do so or even mattered. Frankly, most jurors are more titilated by that crap than swayed by it. Except in a few backward areas anyway. The prosecution. From what little we know. Cannot prove premeditation and has to go with "he shoulda known better" because she was a couple months away from being magically endowed with all the adult wisdom of the ages. They have to use that he tried to hide the crime. Because, unless they have something up their sleeves, they can't prove anything but what he says happened. The defense is going to say that there is no proof that she did not willingly put herself in the situation that cost her life. This is no OJ though.......Bennie gots no money or fame...He's going bye-bye and may well end up like Jeff Dahmer. Which is too good for him.

[error404]

The question was why would the defense bring up Taylor's sex life. Not whether it was appropriate to do so or even mattered.
Posted by: Rick | Wednesday, February 15, 2006 at 11:22 PM

Yep. My point exactly.

And I suppose if I don't 'think with my heart' it's because I reserve any grieving I have to do for those I know personally in the real world.

Thousands of people die daily, many because of violent crimes no different from this one. Black people, white people, ugly people, beautiful people, and so on.

I'm saddened and disgusted that crimes like this have to happen at all, but I wont go overboard with sympathy for a stranger that I didn't even know, I'll reserve THAT right for the people who DID know anyone involved in the 'crime' on a personal level, for to do anything else would seem like a load of overdramatic, sympathetic bullshit to me.

As for Fawley, based on the evidence put on the table to date, the most I can see him being guilty of is engaging in a sexual act with a minor, AND being a fucking coward for not fessing up after it all went tragically wrong, (I guess concealing the death and circumstances might be a crime, but I'm not a lawyer to be able to determine that with certainty).

I'm not saying this IS or WAS the case, but if I were to be completely unbias and draw a conclusion based on the scant evidence presented to date, I wouldn't be able to convict fawley of anything more.

There is a distinct difference between the sentence over-emotional people would LIKE to see dished out for Fawley, and what is, based on evidence, the only LEGAL sentence that SHOULD be dished out for him.

If we were to permit gut instinct, personal bias and emotions to determine the verdict of a crime - then we may as well let vigilantes on the street become our courtrooms.

Now as for the 'legal' age of consent vs the age a female can enjoy sex and the feeling of a great orgasm...

That's a whole different kettle of fish.

[k]

Why drop the rape charge? She was underage, a minor by law, and that is a fact!

He said he had sex with her and that, by Virginia law, anyway you put the details, is Rape. That is also a fact. He is more than three years older than her. That is a fact and that, it seems, is the determining factor in Virginia in a case such as this.

The prosecutors must remember that as must the defense team.

I would hope that the prosecution has sent out detectives to interview neighbors in the 900 block of Franklin to see if anyone heard or saw the "abduction" which Ben reported. My guess, there was an abduction, bag over head, impact to the abdomen, person dragged into a car (a White Ford Escort)at that location, about the time ben said "he" was abducted and that indeed that person was really Taylor Behl. Did anyone see a struggle/scuffle and/or a person dragged off into a car in that "alley" off Franklin Street in the hours after Taylor left the dorm for the last time?

[k]

Don't forget BF bragged on his own Journal that he wore a woman's SIZE 5. He could easily, if dressed differently, look like a female. People could have seem what they thought was a scuffle between two females for all we know.

[k]

From the Richmond Police website:The Robbery/Abduction description for Bf's incident report;

DATE RANGE: 09/04/2005 - 09/06/2005 CRIME TYPE: ALL CRIME TYPES
LOCATION: NEIGHBORHOOD - VCU

INCIDENT NUMBER: 20050906-0592 DATE INCIDENT OCCURRED: 09/06/2005 05:00
OFFENSE ADDRESS: 900 W FRANKLIN ST
OFFENSE NO. - DESCRIPTION: 2-ROBBERY/INDIVIDUAL
OFFENSE NAVIGATION: >

DISPOSITION DESCRIPTION: PENDING - INITIAL REPORT EXCEPTIONAL CLEARANCE:

OFFENSE INFORMATION
ATTEMPTED INDICATOR
LOCATION HIGHWAY/ROAD/ALLEY
ACTIVITY TYPE SUSPECTS USED WEAPON DESCRIPTION BLUNT OBJECT / CLUB , HANDS / FEET / FISTS

[Rick]

Where then shall we hide until May? JAT, any stories?

[justathought]

Hey Rick

I never sent the last chapters to the last one because you never asked for it. LOL I was seeing if you were even reading :-P

And I always have stories! I make them up as I go!

[abigail]

I think it's a "given" here that we agree to disagree, so that being said, I would like to address a few things:

error:

You wrote that you reserve any grieving for those you know personally, but in the next paragraph you say you are saddened and disgusted. So you do feel some sort of grief, right? Do you limit your feelings of happiness when you hear good news and save all of your joy for people you know? I don't think I'm "overboard" if you meant me, nor can I think of anyone that has posted here as going too far with their feelings. That's the thing, it's what people feel for whatever reason. Maybe they are mothers, fathers, live near by.. whatever. Taylor could have been anyones child. I could not imagine the anger her family feels and yeah, I feel grief and I'm angry that this happened. SO? I'm not on the jury nor am I the judge but I'm entitled just like everyone else to my opinion and feelings and I'd appriciate it if they were not discounted as stupid as you think they may be. "Feelings" do not pass down a sentence and I know that, and for you to assume people think that way makes me think you like to consider yourself above all. Maybe you feel more empowered for whatever reason by what you write. I don't know. I do know that I'm probably younger as far as most posters go, but I do hope I don't get so bitter through the years and present myself as almost emotionless later on. I don't want to seperate myself from my emotions because then I will miss out on happiness if I put up that wall. All of our "feelings" go hand in hand, IMO.
On one last note--

"Now as for the 'legal' age of consent vs the age a female can enjoy sex and the feeling of a great orgasm...

That's a whole different kettle of fish."

Totally inappropriate.

[error404]

"You wrote that you reserve any grieving for those you know personally, but in the next paragraph you say you are saddened and disgusted."
by: abigail | Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 09:39 PM

Yes, I am saddened and disgusted that CRIMES such as this are committed by sick people at all, but NOT for the victims themselves who I don't even know. Like I said, thousands of strangers fall victim to violent crime daily, I don't discriminate between one stranger or another, nor am I selective about which ones I feel 'sadness' for, because if I was, I'd probably spend so much time on message boards posting messages of sympathy that I'd have no time for a real life.

In other words, it's tragic that ANY of them have to die.

As for the comment about women and orgasms, that too wasn't pertaining to any particular person or persons, it was pertaining to the Laws that govern our society, which IMO, are somewhat unrealistic and antiquated.

abigail says: "you hear good news and save all of your joy for people you know? I don't think I'm "overboard" if you meant me, nor can I think of anyone that has posted here as going too far with their feelings."

erm... Actually, I wasn't referring to you or anyone personally at all in my post. I was pondering the motives of message board posters in general, wondering what it is about THIS particular crime that causes people to behave the way that they do.

The Taylor behl case in particular, has been an interesting study of human behaviour from the onset.

Not so much the behaviour of Ben Fawley, if anything, I don't think there is anything intriguing or mysterious about him at all, but more the behaviour of people over the internet and how they have reacted to the events that have unfolded from the onset.

It's not about separating ones emotions, it's about being realistic and conserving your energy and emotions for the people that you know in the real world.

This is after all, just the internet.

[abigail]

You're not sad for the victim(s)? Neither are their murderers. I tend not to post on such blogs unless I feel some sort of "connection" and even if I don't, I still am sorry for the victims and their friends and families, but wait, you contridicted again by writing, "I don't discriminate between one stranger or another, nor am I selective about which ones I feel 'sadness' for".
Perhaps I was wrong in assuming you were referring to me, but since I'm one of the few posters here latey...
I don't like to use my energy on hate, like going back and forth bashing (just an example--I don't think we are--just trying to understand)each other on blogs. I certainly am too worn out for all that, but yes, I am a girl with a heart and some say it's "too big" at times, because I only end up getting dissapointed in people, but I learned empathy from my mom and that's not a bad thing. I will never be as smart as she was, as musically inclined as her or have the artist hand or mind she possesed, but I'm empathetic and I have passed that on to my daughter who incidentally got all of her grandmas talents! :) Aside from that, yes, perhaps I let my heart get to me, but I'd rather be this way then someone with the likes of bf, Dandridge, Gray, Bundy, Smith... and so on.
So it seems you are interested in peoples behavior online, well, that's all well and good, but don't discount their feelings unless you really mean to--just to be ugly. Nobody will want their head and hearts studied if they are made to feel wrong about it--I'm talking about decent folks.
Yes, this is the internet, but not an imaginary world. The things we blog about happened and could happen to anyone, that's what it makes it so scary, sad and so very real.
Have you kept up with the Harvey case? How could anyone not feel horrified by what happend to them, especially those girls? They lived near where I live. They shopped where I shop. Know people that knew them--my next door neighbors, people at the golf course, freinds of the cops that were there. I know most of what happened that has since been gagged and how can I not be sad and emotional? I cannot disconnect myself from these things so close to home. In a way I wish I could, but I'm only human...
So with all my well wishes do your "case study", but please don't discount feelings and what people write about how they feel. We are all here for whatever the reason and expressing ourselves in a legal matter of fact way, emotional way or what have you it is not wrong. State your facts on the case and/or law, write your "thesis" and lets get on with the matter at hand.

[error404]

abigail says: "So it seems you are interested in peoples behavior online, well, that's all well and good, but don't discount their feelings unless you really mean to--just to be ugly. Nobody will want their head and hearts studied if they are made to feel wrong about it--I'm talking about decent folks".

Oh yes, there really are some 'decent' folks in here aren't there? SO decent that they behave like a lynch-mob out on a witch-hunt and personally attack anyone and everyone who ever had an involvement with ben fawley.

abigail says: "Yes, this is the internet, but not an imaginary world. The things we blog about happened and could happen to anyone, that's what it makes it so scary, sad and so very real".

believe me darlin' - I KNOW real.

I only discount the feelings of 'internet people', when they permit those feelings to override any ounce of common sense and become, as you term it, 'ugly'.

You only have a couple of months to wait...

[Rick]

I've seen you two comment many times. You're both nicer people than this thread would imply. I guess arguing is better than silence though. Abby, e404 and I and others want justice as bad as anyone. We merely want it to run it's proper course, to hear the whole body of evidence before building a gallows. As for myself, having been through the system, I would rather 10 guilty men be free than for one innocent man to die. I think if you were accused, or anyone else who is so ready to take this individuals life, would want the same thing. To have the evidence heard in it's entirity.

[peace]

I've seen you two comment many times. You're both nicer people than this thread would imply. I guess arguing is better than silence though. Abby, e404 and I and others want justice as bad as anyone. We merely want it to run it's proper course, to hear the whole body of evidence before building a gallows. As for myself, having been through the system, I would rather 10 guilty men be free than for one innocent man to die. I think if you were accused, or anyone else who is so ready to take this individuals life, would want the same thing. To have the evidence heard in it's entirity.

Posted by: Rick | Saturday, February 18, 2006 at 08:55 AM

Rick - this is one of the most sensible things I've seen in print. I rarely read this board, but was just bouncing around through the computer and thought I'd check in. I'd like to think we've come a lot further than that to the lynch mobs and Salem Witch trials of yesteryear.

[error404]

"I'd like to think we've come a lot further than that to the lynch mobs and Salem Witch trials of yesteryear".
Posted by: peace | Saturday, February 18, 2006 at 04:37 PM

Likewise.

...And Rick, your comment was a great leveller. Thanks.

[peace]

Rick and Error - I'd welcome you on the CourtTV board. Abby - I think you're already there?

[Rick]

peace, I certainly appreciate the invitation and I may join over there later.

[error404]

Thanks for the invitation peace, I'll go over there and take a look, I don't really have the time to sign up and actively participate atm though.
I have too much school paperwork to attend to (ugh!).

All the best.

[Rick]

Abby: where you is lately?

[justathought]

Hey Rick you lurking out there?

[abigail]

I'm here Rick, you know I am, and bf is not going to die if that's what you meant and I think you know that--at least not by conviction of a jury. We know he killed her, he admitted it, so I'm not sure what the big deal is. I apologize to you, error or anyone else if I've been "ugly", I'm only angry that Taylor is gone, and you know that Rick. So convict me for being emotional and sad over this. Convict me for all my emotions. That's what I'm made up of. There is so much more to this case then we know and IMO he did it and he confessed. Now as to all the details, well, no one knows except he and Taylor. Yes, I'm more focused on Taylor and her family. bf has a rap sheet and a past documented by law. I'm not going to go back and forth anymore at this point and I just want to say that I respect everyones perspective and opinion and always have and I hope it's reciprocated.
Peace, yes.

[abigail]

OH, error, don't know if you would like CTV blog, as Janet posts there--with emotion and so does Cino's mom and I certainly don't want them to be more upset. Of course you are always free to state your opinion but I just don't want them getting hurt any more then they already have.

[error404]

"OH, error, don't know if you would like CTV blog, as Janet posts there--with emotion and so does Cino's mom and I certainly don't want them to be more upset. Of course you are always free to state your opinion but I just don't want them getting hurt any more then they already have".

Posted by: abigail | Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 01:04 AM

abigail, I'm offended that you would insinuate I'd even consider hurting anyone in the real world who knows/knew ben fawley and taylor behl, especially as, if you read back through any post that I have ever made here, all I have ever done is come to their defense when others have begun their witch-hunt.

All along I have clearly stated that those who have a genuine reason to be devastated by this tragedy, are those who know Ben and Taylor in the real world and it is they, and they alone, who have more right than anyone to grieve in whichever way they wish and the right to be left the hell alone.

I really think you should read my posts more carefully and objectively instead of assuming that anything I say is of a personal nature directed at you.

Not everything is about you. In fact, NONE of this is about you. Please stop projecting your insecurities and guilt at me.

nuff said.

[abigail]

Not everything is about you. In fact, NONE of this is about you. Please stop projecting your insecurities and guilt at me.

nuff said.

Posted by: error404 | Sunday, February 19, 2006 at 01:48 AM

Heh, NOT! You posted things that basically discounted the way most people feel that have been posting and there are not many people posting recently, so if you were directing it towards me or not, you directed it towards people who feel the same as I do. I'd appreciate that you don't turn this around on me. Whatever! I'm sorry I just don't have the energy to research your past posts because I don't have a personal interest in you and I don't know you, so as you put it, "nuff said".

[Rick]

Hey Abby, send me a link to get to court tv

[abigail]

Tried, your candy apple red seems to not be valid.

[raindrops]

"Now as for the 'legal' age of consent vs the age a female can enjoy sex and the feeling of a great orgasm...

That's a whole different kettle of fish."

Totally inappropriate.

Posted by: abigail | Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 09:39 PM

As for the comment about women and orgasms, that too wasn't pertaining to any particular person or persons, it was pertaining to the Laws that govern our society, which IMO, are somewhat unrealistic and antiquated.
Posted by: error404 | Friday, February 17, 2006 at 01:28 AM

Sorry, Error, I agree with abigail. I found your comment extremely inappropriate the first time I read it, but heading out to work kept me from commenting then, and it's taken me a while to get back. If you had been writing an essay on law or posting on a general site, it might be taken as mere commentary, but posted here it takes on an entirely different context and tone, regardless of your intent. Quite frankly, I found it sleazy and expected to see lots of people castigating you for making the comment, which served no purpose in the discussion in any case.

I have no desire to belong to any lynch mob, but my natural instinct as a parent is to hope that a predator, especially one that at least on a couple of occasions attempted to speak to my own daughter, is not allowed to prey again.