Re-Thinking The Natalee Holloway Disappearance

A quick note before I start, Greta is on TV talking about the ABC video. This was a casino video - Beth knew it existed. What does it say about Fox's actual reporting that it came from another network after all this time? If you really think Greta Van Sustern is some kind of an actual news reporter, you must be daft.

Many of the followers of the Natalee Holloway case seem to have had it ingrained into them via cable news that Joran Van Der Sloot is a murderer and a rapist. No other answer will do. However, there are some good reasons to reflect back on events and at least contemplate another possibility, if not two or three. But I'll only deal with one here. Is it possible one or both of the Kalpoes raped and murdered Natalee Holloway and had help to hide the crime?

Let's review some facts and some items, even if they can't be confirmed as true.

Fact, starting with an outrageous report from Geraldo Rivera, cable news cast Joran Van Der Sloot as a devil long before there was any proof. And, actually, there never has been any proof of such a thing, other than he lied early in the investigation. People were informed by Geraldo Rivera Joran made and sold a pornographic video featuring underage girls - not true. We've been told there is a long line of Aruban girls who claim Joran was involved in some rape, or date rape scenario with them, but none have been produced.

At the same time I did conduct personal interviews with two separate females who either knew Van Der Sloot or dated him. One was living in the US at the time, far from any intimidation or threat. Those interviews gave no such impression of an evil Joran, in fact, the opposite. And there was also an American girl, however misguided, who spoke out favorably on his behalf.

Based upon the facts I know to be true, versus the hyperbole of cable news, there's simply no way for me to conclude Van Der Sloot is an evil rapist or murderer. And if there were, I would say so.

Like it or not, Fox and Natalee's Mother gave everyone a villain before there was any actual proof of a crime. Even the Mountain Brook students who encountered Joran spoke well of him until the story began to be shaped in a narrative designed more to hold an audience, than to inform.

So, suppose the assertion that Satish Kalpoe did drive Joran home that night is true. I've heard there is reason to believe it from actual police reports, despite the denials of the Kalpoe attorney. The fact is, if he admitted it, it would put his clients in a real bind.

Consider this. If either of the Kalpoes drove Joran home, not only would they know he left Natalee alive, but he would be over an hour on foot away from her - and he of all of the three boys did not have a access to a vehicle. Could Satish have decided to take a quick drive back to the beach where Natalee was left after dropping Joran at home? I can't suggest he did, but I also certainly can't rule it out.

And remember, there are reports, one which I myself passed along, which was apparently confirmed, that the two Kalpoe brothers were cleaning out Deepak's vehicle shortly after Natalee's disappearance. Why would that be if they simply dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach? Did something go on in that vehicle after Joran was dropped at home?

Also, enter Steve Croes who foolishly stepped in to try and give the boys an alibi. He was not a friend of Joran's. He was a friend of Deepaks, so far as I can tell.

I'm not trying to steer attention away from Van Der Sloot. My interest in this case began like most people's, with a genuine desire to find out the truth of what happened to a missing young girl. That's never changed. I've forced myself to not buy into the unsupported statements, the confusing allegations, not because I don't like someone, but because there was no way for me to see how such things would lead me to the truth.

It's easy to blame someone for a crime you can't prove they committed. It's more difficult to reign in your emotions and insist on solid evidence because it's the only thing which can give you solid answers. When I look at what I personally have been able to learn of the principles in this case, it's more difficult for me to conclude Joran did it, than to conclude he did not.

And if that indeed is the case, it opens up the possibilities to some other interesting scenarios which may not have been as over-zealously pursued. Something happened in or around that beach that night in Aruba. And someone likely knows what it was. And at least one possible reason why we've never gotten answers is because we've been asking the wrong person.

Lastly, a senior criminal interrogator was brought in from Holland. And his reputation was that of one of the best. After significant time going at Joran Van Der Sloot, his conclusion was there likely wasn't anything else there to get.

Whatever the case, unfortunately, while the video tomorrow night on PrimeTime may be compelling for some, I doubt it will yield any of the real answers people want when it comes to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Update: I meant to add this. I realize no matter what I write here, some of you are going to insist everything is the work of those sneaky, scheming Dutch - but it's a fact. Joran has not been cleared as a suspect in this case. If he were actually a good liar, his early lies likely wouldn't have come to light. Fact is, he's a bad liar, apparently.

His Father knows the law. I have a difficult time believing his Father would allow him to go on TV for an extended interview now of any kind, with any restriction, given that one misstatement captured on tape could put him back in jail. Based on logic, it's difficult to conclude he has anything to hide.

Maybe he does. But if he did and he was my son, he wouldn't go near a television studio under any conditions until he was cleared as a suspect and not subject to re-arrest.

Comments

[xxx]

What I reasonably infer is that Joran and Deepak have done everything they can think of to paint Natalee as a wanton floozy who was up for anything...only saying that they, gentlemen that they are declined relations with this drunk, drugged up sex fiend of a girl in their car.

Character assassination at its lowest form.

[wreck]

They are innocent till proven guilty. It's a terrible situation. Joran SEEMS guilty but we have to protect his rights - our rights. He's innocent.

Posted by: hardyandtiny | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:07 AM
At this point we are merely looking for the truth -- not PROVING it. I have said all along (since August anyways) that this will never go to trial.
Let's just find the TRUTH and give the family closure.

[ChinbeardXIV]

xxx, I agree that they're painting a very splotchy picture of Miss Holloway with what we've heard has been their statements. However, I think BHT has painted her own version of Natalee Holloway with a crystal clear paint. I honestly don't believe either side since we all know people tend to exaggerate their perception of others (Sworn enemies can say, "I can't believe Harvey's dead...he was such a great friend.")

In a more simple form, I say JvdS/Kalpoe's opinions on NH's character AND BHT's opinions on her character should all be canceled out. It's a wash...

[Justice for Natalee]

Joran's lies are not just the lies of a scared teenager--see Scrux.com--Reasons for Suspicion.

[FloridaPatty]

What do I think about Greta's actual reporting and the ABC video?

Ans: Easy! The tape went to the highest bidder.
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Geraldo I take with a grain of salt. Since the vault, he's gone down hill and slid into tabloid journalism.
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and I'm all for believing a kid got mixed up in a mess and he didn't kill her or rape her or anything. Here comes the BUT, why lie? He's afraid of his pop. Okay, when does he stop the lie and fess up? After the two black men were arrested? Not really.

If we're going to talk "he said they said" and base opinions on that then let's stop at the arrest of the two black men. They were arrested because a white Dutch boy fingered two black men. Based on one Dutch boy's statement, two black men go to jail.
In the case of Natalee, there was literally a SCHOOL of witnesses who Id'd him as being the one with her yet for 10 days he was free. Let's start there.

Joran had no reason to lie if he was innocent. No matter how misguided his judgement originally was, the truth should have surfaced within a short time.

[hardyandtiny]

If he was just embarrassed why didn't he say he left her at the beach where she was talking/waving/walking away with some Americans he assumed were her classmates? This gets him off the hook, since he left her with other people in would be more of a little white lie than a giant whale of a lie.
Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:05 AM

I think he was afraid to mention the beach area because he was, and is, afraid of the people that he left her with. His last lie, what I believe to be a lie, about just leaving her on the beach and her refusing to go home is weak and would have instantly put him under intensive pressure. He couldn't handle it alone so he used the Kalpoes and the ridiculous Holiday Inn story to get through the first stage. He was actually very lucky - they did not immediately seek out Satish that early morning.

[FloridaPatty]

People often subconsciously give away clues without them even knowing it, and I think they did in this case as well. The lighthouse gets mentioned a lot as a sightseeing spot, something about going to see sharks, the topic of sex was discussed, etc. We now hear about the condom excuse why they didn't have sex - something I think he thought of as a strategy for his defense. Judge Judy would say: "baloney, you're making it up as you're going along!" I couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Bobby Trendy
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Spot on! The psychology of forensics. You are surely on to something here.

[xxx]

In a more simple form, I say JvdS/Kalpoe's opinions on NH's character AND BHT's opinions on her character should all be canceled out. It's a wash...
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I see their characterization of Natalee as the classic behavior of a rapist. Why the need to demean her if no one had relations with her and nobody hurt her?

Their tickle sites were full of drug references, casual sex references, photo upon photo of girls dressed much more provactively than Natalee, they went to C&C every week. So, why is Natalee the only one singled out to be dressed like a ***? That would mean that every other girl we see with Deepak he must also think is dressed like a slut? So, then either Deepak thinks all women are sluts, a bad mindset for anyone, or, he does it on purpose to further his own agenda.

Beth is her mother. It is doubtful that she knows everything her 18 year old daughter did or thought about.

But again, that doesn't cancel out the two, making them equal.

You should also remember that there is a reality out there in the real world of what Natalee actually did do in Mountain Brook, boyfriends that she either did or did not have, booze fests that she either did or did not attend, hook ups in Aruba that did or did not happen.

If the reality of Natalee's actions is totally at odds with the suspects portrayal of her as a sexually aggressive maniac, why can I not infer guilt from that?

[hardyandtiny]

What I reasonably infer is that Joran and Deepak have done everything they can think of to paint Natalee as a wanton floozy who was up for anything...only saying that they, gentlemen that they are declined relations with this drunk, drugged up sex fiend of a girl in their car.
Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:16 AM
Agreed. I think that's one of the main reasons why people get so angry with this story. Natalee may have made mistake going with strangers but that doesnt mean she caused her disappearance. The three of them are afraid of something apart from themselves. They lied, I think they lied because they're cowards. They're afraid of the truth, definitely, and they turned their fear on her.

[elizabeth]

How come everyone on this site is constantly sucking up to Dan??? His posts are no more articulate than the next guys. I enjoy the very few posters who actually challenge what he has to say !

[BobbyTrendy]

If the reality of Natalee's actions is totally at odds with the suspects portrayal of her as a sexually aggressive maniac, why can I not infer guilt from that?

Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:34 AM

Point well taken. At the same time, keep in mind that some kids/friends might defend her reputation to the end simply because of their friendship.

What I find alarming is their characterization of Natalee, as some depraved player and wild woman. It is a way of subconsciously saying that whatever happened to her was somehow her own fault, because she's a little reckless and she should be more careful.

[ChinbeardXIV]

You should also remember that there is a reality out there in the real world of what Natalee actually did do in Mountain Brook, boyfriends that she either did or did not have, booze fests that she either did or did not attend, hook ups in Aruba that did or did not happen.

If the reality of Natalee's actions is totally at odds with the suspects portrayal of her as a sexually aggressive maniac, why can I not infer guilt from that?

Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:34 AM

Her actions in Mountain Brook, while they can probably be at least somewhat documented, are irrelevant. Remember, she's on a graduation (i.e. liberation) trip to an island where she can drink and let loose. Who can say that she did or didn't act slutty at CnC's? Remember, we have one group saying she did and one saying she didn't. The group saying she did are leaning that way because they're being put on the defensive--the group saying she didn't have their own reputations to think about in Mountain Brook.

[kim]

If Joran is innocent of any wrong doings I wonder why his father went and hired Deepak and Satish an attorney instead of helping look for her. http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

[xxx]

If the truth is that Natalee liked to party, had done ecstacy in MB and drank underage like most of her peers, and had some boyfriends that Beth is not aware of, I will reappraise my viewpoint about the suspects to some degree.

If the truth is that Natalee was a virgin, didn't party in MB on a regular basis, wasn't known as a wild girl, didn't do anything in Aruba other than do some drinking, are others willing to do the same? To reappraise your view of the suspects if it is shown that their characterizations of Natalee are simply not true.

Becuase I am not going to believe for one minute that if Natalee is more or less as she has been portrayed that coincidentally on the one night she acts totally out of character and becauses a sexually aggressive freak is the same night that she happens to be with 3 boys who say no to her and then she disappears.

[jackson80]

just saw Joran on GMA. He licked his lips and his eyes wandered while answering. Having cross- examined thousands of witnesses and alleged offenders, in my opinion, he certainly showed tell tale signs that he is doubting his own scripted answers. IMO he has done harm to his position by going on USA TV.

[minnesota dad]

The bloody mattress, Cleaning ants from the car at 3am, disappearing shoes, phoney stories....come on Dan, how much more of this bunk do we need to digest.

I have never seen any explanation of the video showing Aruban Law Enforcement at what appears to be a crime scene, wandering around, and then placing a tarp over an object (perhaps a body) and leaving the scene with the tarp. Was this the slaughtered dog that caused the mattress to be bloody? Come on....Dan, why were they painting rocks? What do your 'sources' tell you about the tradition of painting rocks.

My gut continues to tell me that Natalee died a violent death at the hands of the 3 perps. Exposing just how gruesome and out of line (perhaps they even did a 'snuff' movie) the murder was would be more damaging to Aruban tourism than the current path they are on now.

Instead, the shoes have disappeared...the found bloody mattress was "dog blood". Would have been interesting to do DNA testing on that mattress to see if the skin flakes on there had Van Der Sloot DNA. But no...just another conveniently forgotten piece of evidence in this case.

If you don't think these governments are overly concerned about taking care of tourists....fly into Kingston Jamaica sometime. The streets are lined with billboards touting "Take care of tourists" to remind people that tourism $$$ is what makes them float. Covering up this crime and making it disappear was a strategy by Aruban officials to minimize impact to tourism. Unfortunately...it is backfiring. md

[Lisa]

I saw that this morning also. He makes the statement that he lied but when the reporter asks him why should anyone believe him now after all the lies, he says "because it is the truth". Which truth? The latest version of his own so-called 'truth'?

[Dutchy]

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1648336

According to the Casino tapes: Natalee enters the Casino at: 20.58 o'clock and Joran enters it at: 19.51 o'clock.

Then you see Joran playing and Natalee and Friends sitting together at 20:25 o'clock.

[A55HAT]

Posted by: minnesota dad | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:54 AM

I ponder at what the Aruban LE investigated
that has caused Dompig to surmise they are guilty? I hear Aruba does not offer plea bargains.

There is an old saying, if you give somebody enough rope, they'll hang themselves.

[BobbyTrendy]

If Joran is innocent of any wrong doings I wonder why his father went and hired Deepak and Satish an attorney instead of helping look for her. http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

Posted by: kim | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:46 AM

You need to understand that these people felt threathened by the media persecution and onslaught of everybody and their grandmother, and I guess that the Kalpoes aren't very well off. It does show an air of asserting power by VDS senior........he's a judge in training and he'll take this matter into his own hands.

These people know something. About two months ago, I spoke to an attorney in Aruba who has appeared on FOX on several occasions and he told me that the consensus among many attorneys--at least his circle of friends-- on the island is that there's something not quite right with Joran's declaration. He was even hinting at some form of collusion between the elder VDS and his son. At the same, I also spoke to someone in the media who confided in me that although Joran's action indicate guilt to some degree, there was also something not quite right with the Twitty information machine, but he would not tell me what it was....strange.

[BobbyTrendy]

just saw Joran on GMA. He licked his lips and his eyes wandered while answering. Having cross- examined thousands of witnesses and alleged offenders, in my opinion, he certainly showed tell tale signs that he is doubting his own scripted answers. IMO he has done harm to his position by going on USA TV.

Posted by: jackson80 | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 10:51 AM

Not the quick shifting of the eyes to the left for a millisecond.

[Lisa]

Any comments on Satish? Anyone have any info on him?

[xxx]

Well, look, Beth has a tendancy to get a little hysterical and to hear and see what she wants to. I don't knock her for that, but she is a grieving mother, to expect her to behave in a 100% rational manner with her daughter missing and having to deal with horrific insults to her daughter's character would make anyone angry.

I personally don't think Joran admitted to having sex w/Natalee in that declaration, I think he admitted to whatever the specific Dutch word is that can have multiple meanings...Beth's translator may have interpreted at "sex" and away she went. That doesn't make her a liar or someone who is persecuting Joran, it makes her a distraught mother who believes that crimes were committed against her daughter and that this is the proof of it.

That is why we don't let crime victim's families conduct investigations, because they are not rational or logical. It is a shame that in this particular instance, it appears ALE was about as logical and rational in their approach as Beth.

[ChinbeardXIV]

So, are any of these true or just wild stories:

The Twitty plane in Aruba story?
The found van der Sloot shoe story?
The monkey-in-background call?
The "my daughter's been kidnapped" thing from BHT?
The male DNA on NH's toothbrush?

Help...anyone?

[jeena]

Since Joran was served with a summons in NY before the taping of Prime Time, I think Joran is denying physical contact with Natalee to have a defense against Beth's civil lawsuit.

[minnesota dad]

As I have stated from the first weeks of this crime...this is not about the three perpetrators. It is about Aruban image. Thus, you have Aruban officials doing anything possible to make this case 'go away'. If you know how judicial/cover-ups work, this case has been "textbook". md

[Lisa]

I would love to know about the missing/found one shoe & also about the McWane jet being in Aruba the night before.

I would also like to get more info on Satish. What type of person is he? Is he gay? (Remember the rumor a few months back, that he is gay.) Also, what is up with their mom since she lost her job? Was it connected to this case or as her employer states, was it issues with some money being taken?

[xxx]

-As far as I know it is a confirmed fact that the family took a private plane down to Aruba when they learned she was missing.

-Don't think either shoe has been found, though there were early reports that he was missing only one shoe and not two.

-No one has said anything about this call for many months, that either means it was proven to be not from Natalee or it is important enough to the case that no one is talking about it.

-Beth said she did say this to the trooper and that she did call the FBI.

-As far as I know Aruban LE has dismissed the toothbrush DNA as irrelevant, it may be that NO ONE that was with Natalee in Aruba hooked up with her, which would validate the idea that the toothbrush DNA is unrelated to the case, and unless you think the MB students are willing to lie over stupid things like that to protect their "reputations' whatever that means, I think we should assume they have told the truth to police.

[Lisa]

But... was the private plane, owned by McWane, in Aruba the night BEFORE Natalee went missing?

[BobbyTrendy]

Van Der Sloot was missing a shoe(s)
The problem with the kidnapping story is that no state trooper has come forward stating that he stopped Beth going 90 mph and her kidnapping conversation on the cell phone.
Don't know anything about monkeys or DNA

I'm going to email this attorney in Aruba right now and ask him some of the other questions. This guy will me everything. Hold on.

[berry]

It is great news for case watchers if Satish returned to pick up Joran and won't admit it. Unlike the quickly dropped lie of returning her to the HI, a lie about picking up Joran has persisted for nearly a year. That might really mean Satish has something to hide.

Both Joran and Deepak apear to have gone online fairly quickly, while Satish seems to have no verifiable internet use.

This pick-up statement is probably the "fact" that could not be reconciled between parties in the courthouse last summer.

Instead of harping on Joran, maybe the better use of time is to look at Satish.

I have yet to actually hear Joran say Satish picked him up - but Cuomo said something clse to it.

If Joran did make cell calls consistent with the pings off towers along the way home and did get online to visit the soccer site and check scores and then visit a porn site close to 3 - then it's hard to prove he spent hours debasing and murdering Natalee.

[strayze]

One factor that I've not seen considered: The mental status of Joran during the critical time and thereafter. He very well may not be able to relate what happened because he has absolutely no memory of what happened. Given that he is a heavy drinker and apparently has been for some time, it's possible that his memory is impaired. He could have been bombed out, explaining his reason to not to call the police when Natalee would not go back to the hotel. He could easily have been blacked out (one of the symptoms of alcoholism) during periods on the beach, and truly has no memory, that will never be retreived because it is not there. During blackouts people are conscious and are known to carry out activities such as catch a flight across the country and talk to other passengers, and not remember a thing about what he/she did that day. alcolics are known to have blackouts, even early in their drinking careers, either during certain periods, or in this case for the entire evening. His bombed out state may have something to do with his arriving home without his shoes, or he is providing an explanation of what happened, because he truly was blacked out. (He claims that when Satish picked him up he got in the car without his shoes, but did not want to go back to the beach to retreive them. In that case those shoes could have been found on that beach).

His frightening mental symptoms, especially the blackouts, could be what he is covering up. No macho young man wants to admit memory problems. He may be totally unaware of the connection of alcohol with his symptoms, if they exist. His family, if they know of an alcohol problem, are probably unaware of the symptoms. They are undoubtedly in a state of denial about their son, as most people close to alcoholics are, at least at first. Most people believe only in certain false stereotypes of alcoholism. It's entirely possible to have this condition in full bloom at the very early in the drinking career. It's a legal but dangerous drug for ~ 10%. Even if one is not a blackout drinker, and otherwise "normal", being really bombed out happens, which also young folks may want to hide.

It's truly sad how many problems including violence, are associated with alcohol, including teens and college students who are just feeling their way around the world.

[xxx]

Why would the state trooper need to come forward wtih the public? Don't you think the FBI knows whether or not this happened? That Beth's phone records would prove it?

This is one of the things that annoys me, you dont' always need the authorities to tell you "yes, XYZ" happened.

I don't need Deepak to say that yes, he was cleaning his car and said it was about ants, because I know that NO LAWYER in his right mind would put something that relates to a statement by the suspect in a court filing if he could not prove it, I further know that the ants statement is true because Deepak's lawyer has not denied it.

Sooo, I don't need any state trooper to tell me that Beth did indeed get stopped for speeding, since there were also 2 or 3 other women in the car and I don't believe ever person in the state of Alabama does what Beth tells them.

[Dutchy]

berry:
"I have yet to actually hear Joran say Satish picked him up - but Cuomo said something clse to it"

In the Nova- interview Joran did say that Satish picked him up

[truthinplainsight]

Chin -

DK and SC are involved. There is a lot more information on these two than what has been reported. SC says he didn't know any of the three and DK has his number in his cell phone? They were how many years older than JVS and SK? Young blond drunk on the beach...something bad happens. Story concocted. Why hasn't SC been brought back in when they know he lied big time about not knowing any of the three?

TIPS

[Laci St. John]

REMEMBER....
The first bit of news incriminating Joran was that he text message one of the Kalpoe's to let them know he had made it home....IF ONE OF THEM DROPPED HIM OFF AT HOME....he would not have to text message to let them know he had made it home.

PAAAAALEEEEEEZE......Joran is guilty of MURDER among other crimes (murder because if an accident he should have owned up...and the fact that he continues to cover now constitutes the crime as murder.)

[ChinbeardXIV]

Yeah, TIPS...apparently (according to many on this board) Joran van der Sloot is actually the mastermind of a big ploy to drug American girls, have sex with them against their will, kill them, and bury them. The likes of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Steve Croes, Paulus van der Sloot, and the ALE all answer the Mr. Big (a.k.a. Joran van der Sloot), who is actually the youngest. In Aruba, they measure power by height, so JvdS is da man!

[xxx]

That's a good point Laci, I had never thought of that.

[ChinbeardXIV]

...and the fact that he continues to cover now constitutes the crime as murder.)

Posted by: Laci St. John | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 11:35 AM

I continue to cover up for the fact that one of my best friends is cheating on his wife...does that make me a murder, too?

[xxx]

No, dude, but be forewarned, if your friend's wife disappears and he asks you to give him a fake alibi, you are advised to refuse and call police.

[Lisa]

No, it makes you a rat!!! LOL, just kidding chin!

[truthinplainsight]

Chin,

I don't think he is the master mind...I think NH was too drunk to do anything with and he simply left her as he states. I believe the other two that were with him knew this for a fact and one of them is directly involved. Where was SC that night? Did he have an alibi? He lied about knowing the three amigos, what else did he lie about?

K2 didn't just leave JVS without hooking back up with him...come on.

TIPS

[Lisa]

Paulus-Satish???? I tend to lean more toward Paulus having something to do with this than Satish although I would still like more info on Satish. It is my understanding that Joran got to graduate with his classmates but that Satish did not. Did Satish have a tickle site?

[berry]

berry:
"I have yet to actually hear Joran say Satish picked him up - but Cuomo said something clse to it"

In the Nova- interview Joran did say that Satish picked him up

Thanks Dutchy. Scubajap said that was known last summer. To me that is very, very compelling, if his internet times suggest he got home within an hour or so of 2AM, and then Satish is left out and about in the car, knowing Joran left Natalee on the beach - then we have a whole new route of inquiry.

All Satish had to say was, I picked him up and then went back home. But Satish does not want to admit that, and I cannot figure out a solid rationale why Joran would lie, because by claiming he walked home shoeless, he buys more time. And if he lied, then a camera along the way may have revealed that.

Right now it seems Joran hung out on the beach with Natalee for a bit less than an hour and was then heading home when picked up by Satish, putting him back home 3ish. He appears to have gone online to check scores and a porn site. But then what happened to Satish?

There doesn't seem to be any activity online for Satish. There does seem to be other than covering up a murder or debasing and murdering Natalee.

Satish is a big question mark.

[ChinbeardXIV]

No, dude, but be forewarned, if your friend's wife disappears and he asks you to give him a fake alibi, you are advised to refuse and call police.

Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 11:41 AM

I guess we need to talk about that after his dad picks him up at McDonalds and we shoot a few text messages back and forth. We'll blame those darned security guards or something...

[sunshine]

I have no problem believing Joran could have left Natalee on the beach either awake or passed out cold.

But, if that is true, it doesn't explain all of the subsequent behavior.

Why does he have mulitple versions of how he got home from the beach?

Why does Deepak 'coincidentally' need to clean out his car of ANTS that very same night?

Why did they wait until they were thrown in jail to change their story?

Leaving a passed out girl on the beach makes you an idiot and an ass, but it doesn't come close to being suspected of kidnapping, rape and murder or of leaving open the possibility that based on your lies innocent men might go to prison.

Posted by: xxx | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 09:13 AM

We heard`so many stories about Joran but three times he himself gave an interview. In those three interviews did he tell about how he came home? Did he say something of Natalee being passed out? I can't recall that of his interviews given to the press. Its all rumour going around.
Joran offered his help to Naralee on the beach. She wanted to be left alone. Nowadays girls have a say too you know. We are no longer in the Kitchen and Virgins...peleazzeeee

[berry]

There does seem to be other than covering up a murder or debasing and murdering Natalee...

Don't know what happened to that sentence. Should read -

There do seem to be other interests Joran expressed online, rather than working hard to debase, murder and cover up the crime.

Just how much multi-tasking can a drunk 17 year old do at 3AM?

[ChinbeardXIV]

I'm leaning toward more Satish Kalpoe involvement in the disappearance and less Joran van der Sloot, at this point.

[Makes No Sense]

How do you reconcile leaving a pair of shoes at the beach. What does I had to get home mean. Something is wrong. Assume all is well, Joran decides he wants to go home. Has he decided before he looks for his shoes or after. Does he say to Natalee bye, then look for his shoes for 5 minutes and says forget it and continues to go home. Or does he say to Natalee I should be going soon I have to find my shoes first and spends 30 minutes doing so then says I really got to go forget about my shoes, bye and leaves without his shoes. Or does he call Satish for a pickup, Satish arrives, Joran says bye, goes to Satish hang on I can't find my shoes, Satish says forget about your shoes, let's go and they leave. Does Satish exit the vehicle and does he see Natalee or is he inside the vehicle and text messages Joran that he is there. Wasn't there a blog rumor where Deepak went to pick Joran up and Joran says she is out cold and Deepak said "f*ck the b*tch let's go". Added to all of this is I had to get home. Okay so he had to get home because he had to go to school, he had to get home and because of that importance he left his shoes. Or he left his shoes because Satish didn't want to wait while he looked for them. Even so he had to get home yet Joran was prepared to walk or carry Natalee to the hotel. So assuming he decided to leave the beach at 2 am, he had to get home, yet he was prepared to spend 30 minutes or less carrying or walking her back to the hotel. He decides he has to go at whatever the time was, say 2:00 am, had to go home because I had school, I must go home now, screw finding my shoes. So he get's home and stays up playing in the computer till 4 am. If he had to get home so urgently because of school, so urgently he doesn't worry about his shoes, so urgently yet he was prepared to walk or carry her back to the hotel, so urgently, know he is at home and what does he do. Stays up another hour or two playing on the computer.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[sunshine]

I'm leaning toward more Satish Kalpoe involvement in the disappearance and less Joran van der Sloot, at this point.

Posted by: ChinbeardXIV | Thursday, February 23, 2006 at 11:50 AM

Or one of the students or one of the chaperones`or somebody else. We don't know anything?