Note On Holloway Coverage

Someone emailed and said something about a reference Greta made about running into someone with some information while in Boston on the Entwistle coverage. Not sure if it's this, but keep in mind that there were American tourists from Boston present at Carlos and Charlies that night.

Comments

[huh?]

i dont get it.

[Justice4All]

Okay,,,so what's up?

[Jillian in Boston]

where is she? i will go attack greta,for information, not for her lack of a human face... i live 2 blocks from the middlesex courthouse, where this whole thing is going down..

can we get a hotel name dan???

[Justice4All]

Does that mean that people who know about events at Chucks and Carlos have not come forward and needed Greta to spill their guts to or could they have been interviewed by Aruba and are supposed to keep quite.

Hmmm.

[Robin Tyra]

Beth also claimed once to have "run into someone" who had the same identical experience as she thinks Natalee had. I think not. Greta wants to revive the story.

[26ANDCOUNTING]

For some reason Aruba attracts alot of people from Boston so it makes sense that someone from Boston has information. The Black Hog Saloon is actually owned by ex Bostonians..

[R. Decker]

I say we wait & see what Greta has to say- I heard about this on another post-(scared Monkeys.com) It can also be found on Foxnews.com/gretawire.
At least if we hear Greta out, eventually what she has to "say" about this- will come to light- we'll either know if it's truth on not.

[Dan]

It may be that, may not, but remember, the pic I posted of NH on the bar was taken by tourists in Boston. It was also someone from there who claimed NH was in the bathroom sick, but it turned out to have been another MB girl according to later reports.

[ViVi]

Sounds pretty remote.

[COLUMBO]

think an alleged rape victim was from Boston

[afmomx3]

OK Dan, spill it!!! (lol)
just makes ya wanna go...... hmmmm.....

[jolari]

Sounded like Greta was just relating something, telling us the party did not want to come forward, that what they did have was nothing that would solve the case & she would give us any info when the person gave the ok. Don't think she meant to give us anyting more that an "FYI."

[Robin Tyra]

Wait and see what comes out? As someone else said, the chances are remote, very. We're to assume that maybe Greta with her super sleuthing skills has solved the case?

[Robin Tyra]

Beth also claimed once to have "run into someone" who had the same identical experience as she thinks Natalee had. I think not. Greta wants to revive the story.

Posted by: Robin Tyra | Friday, February 10, 2006 at 03:05 PM

I should add that this mystery girl Greta "ran into" claimed she was victimized by Joran. The whole "151 please," and K's as wingmen.

Stop it already, Beth.

[R. Decker]

So maybe Greta did run into someone from Boston???? Who may know something we all don't know about yet!!!
Maybe this person was in Aruba at that time(long shot I know but hey?- lol)

[stephanie]

I was at Logan airport in Boston the week NH was in Aruba. While I was in line waiting to go through security I met a couple who was from Boston and you'll never guess where they were headed that week. Yep...you guessed it. Aruba.

[stephanie]

And if the info won't help solve the case, then why is it such a big deal? Is Greta just trying to get us to watch her show?
There are real people from Boston that are missing, Maura Murray, for one. Maybe she should spend some time talking about that on her show rather than beating a dead horse with all this he-said she-said crap with the NH case.

[dennisintn]

there are also some unrecovered civil war dead all over the south, maybe we should just forget all the current missing and presumed dead, and concentrate on all those old cases first. or maybe, since we have new people getting killed and going missing every day, we should just throw up our hands, say "who cares", and pretend none of them matter.
dennisintn

[Robin Tyra]

there are also some unrecovered civil war dead all over the south, maybe we should just forget all the current missing and presumed dead, and concentrate on all those old cases first. or maybe, since we have new people getting killed and going missing every day, we should just throw up our hands, say "who cares", and pretend none of them matter.
dennisintn

Posted by: dennisintn | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 10:13 AM

Maybe we should throw up our hands and "say no one matters, not any of the missing, only Natalee." No more news broadcasts except Natalee coverage. No more commercials, just flashes of her in her green drill team suit. A new fleet of F-16's to Aruba daily. And all Arubans must devote the rest of their lives to searching for Natalee. Life in Aruba has been cancelled. We don't care if they starve to death; Natalee must be found.

[Skye]

You dont have to follow this case or watch the news coverage, Robin. You do know that, dont you? Or has your "pilot light gone out" now?

And for everyone's information about the picture of Natalee dancing at CnC's....the dance floor is elevated and the bar is attached to it. She was dancing on the dance floor , not the bar.

[Rob]

You dont have to follow this case or watch the news coverage, Robin. You do know that, dont you? Or has your "pilot light gone out" now?

Skye ,
Robin as a person who subscribes to media for information is entitled to demand that. Why should she stop watching the news and not protest against the media bias of the 'fair and balanced' networks?

[Robin Tyra]

Thank you Rob! :)

No, my pilot light hasn't gone out Skye. I can see you're still smarting over some past comments.

Really Skye, why the hostility? Again, your problem.

I continue to maintain that there were critical cases pending at the time that Natalee split with strangers. Ahem, like the Groene children. When the Jersey children were trapped in the trunk, it is thought that maybe the reason no one even assumed they had not been kidnapped is that we had kidnapping on the brain. Instead of seeing the faces of the Groene children at a time when we could have safely recovered them, all we saw were Natalees thunder thighs on her famous green sequined suit. No one even thought to check the trunk; BECAUSE OF BETH TWITTY PEOPLE HAD KIDNAPPING ON THE BRAIN.

I'm tired of Natalee's thunder thighs; I'm tired of Beth slandering people and making illegal threats. It's time to move on. Not even JFK Jr. was searched for in the manner that she was when he went missing.

Shut up Beth. You've done enough damage to people.

[Robin Tyra]

Oh and Skye, selective memory, eh?

Natalee did dance on the dance floor; there are also some pics that suggest she was dancing on the bar as well. It is also common knowledge that she was also 'serving' naval shots.

And no that doesn't preclude rape/and or murder. It IS however, very unadvisable behavior. Skye, have you ever read the advisories for travelers to foreign countries? Obviously not. Read just one. They can be found on the net. Women are ALWAYS advised not to behave in just the manner that Holloway behaved on the island of Aruba.

ANYBODY could have been the culprit. You think Joran and the K's were the only one noticing the show Natalee put on? Do you really think that? You think they were the only guys out at that hour?

Sure Skye, you can go to a bar in a foreign country and act like a stripper, a drunk stripper. It might be your right, but it is NOT advisable. Get it?

[Rob]

Robin ,
Its true that I agree with you regarding the disproportionate media attention towards this case. However I would also like to let you know that some of your comments towards Natalee are simply not relevant to the point you are making. I believe you do not need to mention about Natalee's thighs or her dress or the fact that she was drunk and possibly horny because Natalee is completely innocent and she is the one who has suffered the most in this case. All of those facts have nothing to do with her disappearance. I can understand that you feel Beth's comments about J2K are unjustified and I completely agree with you. However paying back Beth in kind is not right.This is only going to multiply the hatred that is flowing. I hope that you will understand the point I am making.

[Robin Tyra]

Sorry, Rob. While I respect your view completely, I'm tired of being nice and patient with Beth Twitty. From Caribbean Net News:

Misguided anger
02-02-2006

Dear Sir:

As a resident of neighbouring Curacao, I have followed the Natalee Holloway story from the very beginning and have been constantly surprised and at times outraged at the attitude of some Americans who are not armed with the full facts in the case but seem intent on trying to destroy the image of Aruba as a safe tourist destination.

What happened to Natalee was tragic and as a mother I can only imagine the pain her family have experienced, but to call for a boycott of an island that bent over backwards to accomodate her family including government workers being given the day off to help search for Natalee, F-16 fighter planes sent over from Holland for ariel flights and by Beth Holloway's own admission of the immense kindness and help she received by authorities and ordinary Arubans.

Yes, maybe there were areas of the investigation that could have been handled better, yes, important evidence could have been lost in the early stages and, yes, I can imagine it was difficult for the family when they felt information was not as forthcomming as they would have wished.

It is however important to remember that the Dutch judicial system is highly respected in the world and is very different from the American system which gives out information much more readily.

I would also like to remind the small minority of Americans who support the boycott of Aruba of the countless number of criminal and other cases in the United States in which those accused walk free due to negligence in the trial, evidence that has been lost and many other reasons including simply having a great team of lawyers to defend you.

Cases that immediately spring to mind are the O.J Simpson, Robert Blake and Michael Jackson ones and these are just the high profile ones. What about the daily cases of ordinary people who's family members have been abused or murdered and their perpetrators have walked free because of some technical or legal glitch in the system?

These unjustices are sad and unfair, and unfortunately this is a fact of life. Many experts in the U.S agreed that Scott Peterson would be a free man today if the body of his wife had not been found.

Thousands and thousands of US citizens go missing each year in the United States as well as in the rest of the world, but have you ever heard of a boycott of the United States? A gigantic country which certainly does not rely solely on tourism for its survival.

Aruba is one of the safest islands in the Carribean, just take the time to check out the statistics of murders and kidnappings in the past years and you will see. It continues to amaze me why Aruba specifically has been targeted in this way, especially when you see how many US citizens have gone missing or been murdered in other Caribbean islands, such as Jamaica,Haiti or even the US Virgin Islands.

I certainly do not know the innocence or guilt of those accused in the Natalee Holloway case; I do believe justice was served and while it may be hard for the family to accept their daughter may be lost to them forever, I hope they will finally reach a place where a sense of calm and acceptance will replace their misguided anger and revenge against an entire island, which just happened to be the location for the disappearance of an American tourist.

Julie Hagen

This woman wishes to remove the very livelihood from the Aruban people. How about a thank you?

[Skye]

You cannot see past your hatred, Robin.

Rob, I suggested to Robin that she has a choice not to follow the news coverage of the Holloway case. If she hates the news coverage as she has posted , she does not have to watch it. Simple solution to her problem.

Instead she posts her hatred and objectioin here and rambles her lies on and on about a girl that is probably dead at the hands of criminals walking free.

[Rob]

Instead she posts her hatred and objectioin here and rambles her lies on and on about a girl that is probably dead at the hands of criminals walking free.

Skye ,
I think we all are here to post our opinions. of course this doesnt mean that hatred should be tolerated no matter which side its coming from. I think that Robin and yourself are taking things a bit too personally on each other .NO I am not here to act as a mediator or speak on behalf of anybody but we all must remember to be responsible for our statements.
If you dont like Robin's posts simply dont look at them , simple solution for you.
btw I dont like that you call somebody a criminal without proof . But I wont stop looking at your posts nor will I call you a liar nor will I ask you to stop posting. I respect everybody's opinion.

[Robin Tyra]

Free speech Skye. Obviously you're quite upset that you cannot control other people.

I am in very good company when I express my dismay at the overdone reporting of the Holloway case. Or should I say, Natalee Holloway, because there actually IS NO case.

And I think it is you who is suffering from hatred and rage. Rage at the Van Der Sloot family and the Kalpoes.

And as for lies, what lies? The MB kids have said all of the above, dear.

Maybe you can vent your anger by issuing a few more agist remarks and insulting people who are the same age as your mother, as you have indicated. She would be so proud of you.

[Robin Tyra]

Regarding saying hateful things about someone who cannot respond, Beth Twitty has branded three very young people as gang rapists and murderers. Saying that someone has jello thighs is childs play in comparison.

The Van Der Sloot family has been nearly destroyed by these allegations and the Kalpoe's mother can scarcely keep a job because of unproven and unfounded accusations.

As Americans, we don't usually do things that way. If Beth Twitty gets sued for slander, she'll have earned it. You cannot run around destroying lives and reputations, scarring people for life just because you are angry and want to blame someone.

[Skye]

Robin,
The VDS family are not going to sue the victim's family. The truth may leak out if they tried. All they want and everyone on the island of Aruba is for this to go away.

The coverage of the Holloway case has opened the way for other cases to receive news coverage.

I think there should be a 24 hours news channel dedicated to missing person coverage and unsolved murders.

[Skye]

Rob,
Robin's posts are entertaining because they lack value and are lies meant to disrupt. She doesnt bother me and her posts do not either, but thanks for your concern.

If Natalee was murdered , what else would a murderer be other than a criminal, Rob?

[Rob]

Skye
"The coverage of the Holloway case has opened the way for other cases to receive news coverage."

I dont think I agree with you on that. This is not the first time when media attention was focussed on a single case when innumerable others were left untouched. There are many more recent unsolved missing cases that we come across but none has received this much attention.

"I think there should be a 24 hours news channel dedicated to missing person coverage and unsolved murders. "

I think its a really wonderful idea. I hope somebody puts it to work.
It would give the much needed exposure to so many cases that we wont normally see. What we see is just the tip of the iceberg.

"If Natalee was murdered , what else would a murderer be other than a criminal, Rob?"

'If ' is a very powerful word on the basis of which day can turn to night . I know you have reason to be suspicious but then its still a suspicion after all. So I dont think it says much.

" everyone on the island of Aruba is for this to go away."

I dont think that is the case. All they want is the negative media attention to go away which is I think is reasonable. I think they very much want the case to be solved and justice served so as to keep up the reputation of Aruba which they know is so important for their economic success.I dont think media attention should be equated to the investigation moving ahead and I hope you understand the need to make that distinction.

[TYLER]

"The coverage of the Holloway case has opened the way for other cases to receive news coverage."

I heard this argument from Beth on Abrams Report last week. She almost sounded like as if the media promoted this case as a 'model' case in order to pave the way for added concern and coverage of other missing persons cases. It just doesnt make any sense. The media is concerned more with the 'story' aspect of the case rather than the 'case' itself.
Its all about sensationalism , publicity and ratings. Dr Phil has exploited Beth's condition shamelessly and has used deceptive means just to get a 'show' out of it. Few people seem to have problems with this. Hell with this tabloid journalism. These news networks deserve no more respect than the National Enquirer.

[Robin Tyra]

I dont think that is the case. All they want is the negative media attention to go away which is I think is reasonable. I think they very much want the case to be solved and justice served so as to keep up the reputation of Aruba which they know is so important for their economic success.I dont think media attention should be equated to the investigation moving ahead and I hope you understand the need to make that distinction.

Posted by: Rob | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 07:26 PM

Excellent observation.

[Robin Tyra]

"The coverage of the Holloway case has opened the way for other cases to receive news coverage."

I heard this argument from Beth on Abrams Report last week. She almost sounded like as if the media promoted this case as a 'model' case in order to pave the way for added concern and coverage of other missing persons cases. It just doesnt make any sense. The media is concerned more with the 'story' aspect of the case rather than the 'case' itself.
Its all about sensationalism , publicity and ratings. Dr Phil has exploited Beth's condition shamelessly and has used deceptive means just to get a 'show' out of it. Few people seem to have problems with this. Hell with this tabloid journalism. These news networks deserve no more respect than the National Enquirer.

Posted by: TYLER | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 07:45 PM

Everytime Beth has been asked as a guest regarding another missing person case (someone other than Natalee,) she diverts desperately needed attention by once again directing the conversation to Natalee. She has done that on Nancy Grace and other programs.

She is no champion for missing persons rights, nor is she advocating for anyone other than Natalee.

[Robin Tyra]

Rob,
Robin's posts are entertaining because they lack value and are lies meant to disrupt. She doesnt bother me and her posts do not either, but thanks for your concern.

If Natalee was murdered , what else would a murderer be other than a criminal, Rob?

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 06:46 PM

I beg to differ. My posts bother you intensely. Else why would you keep responding in kind, even issuing discriminatory insults? Do you hate all people over 40?

And yet again, that's your problem.

[Arubaanse]

All they want and everyone on the island of Aruba is for this to go away.
Posted by: Skye | Saturday, February 11, 2006 at 06:46 PM

I didn't know you could read the mind of the Aruban people too...

We don't this just to go away...WE WANT THIS SOLVED!!!!!

[Alan]

I think I agree with you completely , Arubaanse

[Robin Tyra]

That is clear, Arubaanse. Why else would the Arubans have been so generous to the Twittys even as they are threatening to ruin Aruba?

[Arubaanse]

We have treated her as if she was one of us. We felt her pain and prayed with her and for her family. And even when we have to hear every night on our television that Aruba does no good and we are corrupt and all the hatred against us from Americans(not all Americans ofcourse). We still tried to ignore that and kept on searching for Natalee.
When they have organize a human chain in front of the hotels for Natalee, I was there and that was for the first time I saw Beth Twitty. First thing I wanted to do if I ever see Beth is give her a hug and tell her that I pray for her everyday but there she was and I don't know, I just got scared of her and I did not want go to her and I ask myself everyday... why??

[Alan]

Dear Arubaaanse ,
Since you are an Aruban and have apparently followed the case since the very beginning I would like to know the following ?

What do you personally think really happened ? Do you think the suspects are guilty ? If yes guilty of what ?

Is that the general belief as far as other Arubans are concerned ?

Do you think ALE has questioned a significant number of Arubans for valuable information ? Are they still doing that ?

Whats the latest news on the sand dunes search ?

Arubaanse , I would like to thank you in advance for your time and information. I eagerly await your answers.

Alan

[Arubaanse]

Dear Alan,

I have to say that like 90% of the Arubans still believe that Joran or the Kalpoe brothers did it. My friends at school think that we should focus on the bartenders of CnC, because they are known to throw spanish flies in young girls drinks. They believe that Natalee died in Joran or the Kalpoe's hands and they freaked out and dumb her body somewhere. I personally don't think they did it...how come a 17 year old boy could keep this silence after being interrogated every single night and day for 3 months...what if he really does not have nothing else to say. I don't know...
I think ALE are focusing to much on the boys...They need to stop listen to everything what Beth and the Media say and start looking somewhere else. And the search continues but we still haven't heard if they had found anything. But the ALE believes that there must be something there. Let us hope for the best.

[nelson]

Wow great letter from Julia Hagen!!!

[COLUMBO]

"They need to stop listen to everything what Beth and the Media say and start looking somewhere else."

Beth knows this..but Joran and K2 are the leverage needed if the investigation is to get anyplace. Like Joran himself said: 'Someday I will tell the truth, but I'm not ready to do that now.'

"I think they very much want the case to be solved and justice served so as to keep up the reputation of Aruba"

I believe that these two events will cross purposes

"The Van Der Sloot family has been nearly destroyed by these allegations"

Hmmmmmm....could their actions have something to do with it?????

"I am in very good company when I express my dismay at the overdone reporting of the Holloway case. Or should I say, Natalee Holloway, because there actually IS NO case."

There is an ongoing investigation of a premeditated Aruba with other suspicions....a public statement released by A.L.E.

"ANYBODY could have been the culprit. You think Joran and the K's were the only one noticing the show Natalee put on?"

She was only seen getting into a car with them

[TYLER]

Funniest quote of the year 2005

" Crooks aren't the smartest people in the world." (Jamie Skeeters on Nany Grace)

HA HA HA ..............

[Alan]

Arubaanse ,
Thanks for all your information ! One thing that concerns me is your mention of bartenders at CnC's known to be dropping spanish flies into young girls' drinks. If that is true :

1) Do they do this on demand by someone else for tips or with the consent of the drinker ?

2) Although spanish flies are not drugs but just aphrodisiacs , does this suggest that date rape is the motive behind that ? ( I cannot see any other possible motive unless the girl herself wants her drink spiked to get a nice kick before her nightly trysts with somebody.)

3) Have you heard of a DRUG (like ecstasy) being used to spike the drinks.

Thanks again for your efforts. You may like to email your comments to me to alan4115@gmail.com if you so wish.

Thanks ,
Alan

[007]

JUST CAME BACK TO HYATT FROM THE LIGHT PARADE IN SANICOLAS, FANTASTIC, THE MUSIC ..E LENGA.. GOT ME.. THE GIRLS ... THE PINA COLADA...ITS REAL PARADISE, THIS IS THE CARNIVAL ISLAND, CALLED PARADISE...

also saw some tourists asking for drugs, why do they do this,the next day they dont remember a thing...then they want to blame the whole island ??

why cant they sip a pina colada and jump the lenga??
want to take a nap in my jamaca under the palm tree but cant resist the music ... its coming again,,, have to go...
007...this is life....

[Skye]

I find that comment about the bartenders interesting too. Especially since it has been denied that they ever slip drugs in drinks at CnC's.

Arubaanse,
I believe you are sincere but you cannot speak for everyone on the island. Not all of Aruba has any sympathy or concern for finding Natalee and solving the case.

[Rob]

Not all of Aruba has any sympathy or concern for finding Natalee and solving the case.

Skye ,
We have atleast one Aruban here who is sincere and wants answers and you definitely know he is not alone. I dont see why you need to make such statements again and again without justifying them. How about SO many Americans who have openly expressed their disinterest and even been shown hostility towards Beth. Unfortunately but truely I believe a very large number of Americans dont really care about this case any more. And no , the fact that Natalee went missing in Aruba and hasnt been found afer 8 months of efforts doesnt mean that each Aruban citizen has to bear responsibility for the sityation. Forget the people, not even the government can control the ALE's decisions. I sincerely believe that Arubans have done enough and should get the gratitude they deserve.

[Robin Tyra]

Arubaanse,
I believe you are sincere but you cannot speak for everyone on the island. Not all of Aruba has any sympathy or concern for finding Natalee and solving the case.

Posted by: Skye | Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 10:18 AM

What a statement of both ignorance and extreme ingratitude.

"ALL of ARUBA" should feel sympathy and concern for finding Natalee?? How stupid is that? Do you Skye, as a good American feel sympathy and concern for finding EVERY missing American? Afterall, there are countless missing persons in American and you ARE American. Why aren't you concerned?

And have you forgotten the hundreds of thousands of dollars the Aruban people contributed toward finding Holloway? Lost work time? Free lodging, fee meals, free transportation. WHAT ELSE CAN THE ARUBANS DO? What do you want, Skye? Shall our armed forced go and occupy Aruban, turn them all into captives until we find Natalee Holloway. Do you realize how absurd and immature you are sounding?

Why would Natalee Holloway be any more important than any other missing person, especially a child or vulnerable adult, not a rich partying deb who left of her own volition?

Your pilot light is out again Skye!