Neil Entwistle

How could anyone do such a thing?

"Some time on Friday morning Neil Entwistle shot Rachel in the head and then proceeded to shoot baby Lillian who was lying on the bed next to her mother.

"We believe possibly that this was intended to be a murder-suicide. Obviously the murder was effected and the suicide was not."

Comments

[Karina]

Here, Here, Tony!!! Neil is being 'Hung, Drawn & Quartered' over here in the States. It's TOTALLY Sick and a Disgrace to treat a 'Suspect' like this. I am English (Proud to be) and will be coming Home from America in a couple of weeks time. I know the Press in England will NOT be treating Neil the way He has been here. INNOCENT UNTIL 'Proven' GUILTY. Let's REMEMBER that!! I Pray for Neil and His Family.

[Karina]

Bill Webber....you DO NOT speak for ALL English (British) People. Neil is INNOCENT until 'Proven beyond a Reasonable Doubt' GUILTY. I am behind Neil UNTIL I see 'Proof' that He is Guilty of what He has been Accused.

[Tony]

Hi Karina.
I have just sent you a comment on the Townonline site. It is absolutely disgusting how they have condemmed NE parents. At the end of the day they are human beings like us all. Karina there have been worse crimes committed in the UK, but they did not do that in the UK with all the Media Attention. Karina do you remeber Ian Huntley's case. They did not go on like this anbd he murdered two 10yr olds. I am glad to be here in the UK.

[Great Grandmother]

There is far too much swearing and cussing on this blog. This issue to be discussd, is whether or not Neil could have done the deadly deed. Let's keep it that way..........PLEASE.

[Tony]

Great Grandmother where r u

[Tony]

Hi Great Grandmother. Well it is all getting out of control now. OK I am not saying that NE is Not Guilty, but it is effecting people in a personal way. It is all about Rachel and Baby Lillian to what a hatred husband and father has done to his family (If he has done it). No one can accuse and they have no rights to do so until he has been to TRIAL.

[Great Grandmother]

I'm in the same country as you. Visited this blog on your recommendation. I agree with what you state in your posting above as well as those of David, Paul Reward etc., ~~ just that the swearing gets my goat. The Townonline site has little swearing in the postings, even though at times comments get a little heated.

[sarah]

Look people, it is overwhelmingly the domestic partner who kills wife and children. This is a fact. I live on an island and almost every year in the last seven years at least one woman or child is killed by her husband, boyfriend or father. Of course we are going to assume it is the domestic partner that comitted this heinous crime! It makes me sick the way some of you are defending this man. This guy was into pornography, right, how to start the websites and what not...raises alot of questions for me.

[d@vid]

I reckon the Father in Law did it. He made a pass at Rachel, she refused and she threatened to tell her mum.

The gun story is just ridiculous. Neil went to his in laws house to PICK up the gun, and drove back to DROP the gun off after the murder? And THEN his father in law that hadn't used his gun for 2 months just HAPPENS to go to the shooting range the NEXT day???

I CAN'T BELIEVE that Rachels mum automatically assumed that Neil was guilty and let her lawyer read that statement. How can she do that? Didn't she ask her husband about the gun. Rachel's mum looks like an angry bitch doesn't she? She looks evil.

I think theres way more to this story than we think.
English people don't grow up, thinking, oh well, I have no money I think I'll kill all my family. We don't grow up with gun violence or in a gun violent society, like U guys do in the US. This is a very important fact.

And BRAVO to the US media for being Fair and Balanced?? (FOX) what a joke!

Actually I'm annoyed that this murder didn't happen in a Death Penalty state, cause whoever did this should seriously fry for it.

[Steve]

What a twisted piece of work you are David. You're so in hate with America you even blame them when a foreigner goes to their country and murders two of their citizens. I can't wait to find out how you and the tabloids use this demonise the american legal system. You are so obviously a professional Yank-bashing lefty. I'm English by the way and you are an embarrassment.

[d@vid]

The last thing I wanted to be Steve, was an embarrassment to you.
You mean too much to me.

And I am not a "professional Yank-bashing lefty" au contraire mon ami, Americans have great burgers and Stallone and for that, they will always have a place in my heart.

So I guess, "innocent until proven guilty" is not a concept that you grab or agree with?

If you read my previous two posts, you would have noticed, that I am actually a very open minded individual. I like to think of all possible, probable situations. I like to think, Steve, and not jump to conlusions. Probably read too many Agatha Christies.

I don't say that Neil Entwistle is guilty cause Giraldo told me so, and I don't say he's innocent. I just say what if...........

Tell me something Steve, if you saw Neil Entwistle now, would you smash his face in? Would you lynch him with a bunch of your right extremists nazi friends? Or would you wait for the actual verdict?

Good thing for NE, you are english and not an american called up for jury duty on this case, imagine the nightmare.

Right now, most people on this site and I say most, not all, have already convicted him. And the trial hasn't even begun yet.

[Karina]

Sarah, I find it shocking and bemusing that You summise Neil was 'Into' Porn, so that automatically makes Him the Murderer of His Daughter and Wife!! Sorry, I don't get the connection!! 99% of Men are 'Into' Pronography in some form or another. Are they ALL potential Murderers?! Yes, it would appear that Neil dealt in some 'shady' onine enterprises. Not the 'Wholesome' variety I have heard. That said, I still don't see how that makes Him likely to Murder His Family! Steve, Lilly Rose was in fact a 'British' Citizen having been born in the U.K. Only Rachel was a U.S. Citizen. I do agree with David about the Hypocracy of America. I can attest to this, as I have spent possibly 10 of the last 18 yrs. living in the States. I now reside back in My Home Country. (I am currently in the U.S. visiting Family). I Like America Very much but do find Myself 'Falling Out Of Love' with it as time moves on. The Americans are well known for 'Moving the Goalposts to suit Themselves' in practically all matters. I am NOT anti-American. Not at all. There is a LOT of GOOD about 'Uncle Sam' but the term 'Ugly American' is appropriate in some situations. The way Neil Entwistle has been treated so far in 'The Land of the Free' has been nothing short of Barbaric. I Hope to God His Parents do not have cable T.V. so that they were unable to see the way their Son, only a 'Suspect' at this time, was paraded before the Entire World. America looked VERY Ugly that day.

[wolf]

Well, you know how it is here in the good old U.S. Shoot first, answer questions later ;-)

[charlie]

I have read all the commments and have followed the entwistle case in considerable detail from here in the UK.
This is probably the saddest thing I have ever seen as I too have a beautiful baby daughter and am married.
This is middle class crime born of frustration, dissatisfaction and the loss of values that both our societies are currently experiencing.
We need to look as closely at the avaritious and unphilanphropic society that we have created and then consider whether a middle class boy feeling excluded and spat out acted in desperation or clear pre-meditation.
Either way, there is no justification for these actions (if he is found guilty), but I think we need to look to ourselves for part of the blame. cp

[Karina]

Yeah, Unfortunately We live in an Ugly World Today. All ME, ME, ME, ME. GREEDY People. SELFISH People. What did 'Pink Floyd' sing, about MONEY being 'The Route of All Evil'. I STILL Support Neil and His Innocence UNTIL I am convinced otherwise, and the Press/Media in America should be HUNG over how they have allowed their Myriad T.V. News/Talk Shows to pretty much CONVICT Him before He has got 'Anywhere Near' His Trial. Neil, We are thinking of You. God Bless that Beautiful Daughter of Yours and Your Loving Wife.

[RadgyGadgy]

I am British and I'm from the North-east quite a bit further up the country from where Neil was born. I'm also a member of www.friendsreunited.co.uk. And guess what? Neil is also a member on this website. He attended Valley Comprehensive School, Baulk Lane, Worksop, England. Read his notes which he left for friends and updated on 03/06/03:

Did lots of A-levels.
Worked at IBM
Got an MEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering with Business Management from York.
Rowed throughout my degree - proud to be that white rose. Showed those public school $%^&'s how to do it properly.
Making bombs and other stuff for a living - would tell you more but I'd have to kill you.

Getting married to the most amazing woman in the world this summer: Rachel. We met through rowing. She was my cox, I her stroke! She's from the good ol' US, Boston to be more specific, Plymouth (the original landing site) if you're really curious.

Living south of the Birmingham border is my only complaint in life.

[RadgyGadgy]

Hey Karina, Were you aware of the fact that Entwistle's DNA was on the pistol grip and his wife's DNA was on the muzzle, proving a connection between them and the gun? What about him running shady internet businesses without his families knowledge? What about his fantasy delusional lifestyle which consisited of compulsive lying to his family and resulting in 10s of thousands of dollars debt? What about his dishonesty to his wife and child, searching for hookers and sex partners on the internet? And then the bigger step of searching about "how to kill with a knife" only 2 days before their deaths??
If none of these facts existed and the police had nothing on him, then I would think him innocent until proven guilty. But the reality is that there is too much evidence pointing at him and only him!
Leaving the US at the time of the slayings was the worst move he could have done for his defence in court.
Also I read that an expert on murder cases said that Entwistle should have kept quiet in the UK instead of talking to US police on the phone and an insanity plea will be the best defence for him.
I also read that the case would have been more of a mystery if the murder weapon had been discarded rather than "returned to the father-in-laws cabinet." Not so bright as everyone said he was, eh?

[RadgyGadgy]

If the forensics find evidence of gun-residue in his BMW Suv,
that should be enough to convict him along with
his DNA on the .22 pistol grip.

[Karina]

Hi Radgy! Thanks for the info. on 'FriendsReunited'. Interesting stuff! You're from the North East eh? Are You a 'YI Man'? (Geordie) Are You a 'Teesider'? or are You from NE Yorks.? I'm from the North West. Yes, the info. available to the Media at the moment is more 'Positive' for the Prosecution. I admit that. However, Neil has a Great Lawyer in Elliot Weinstein (I believe)and He is supposed to be a 'Forensics Expert' and Far Superior to Rachel's Family's Lawyer. (This has been reported on T.V. here in the U.S.) I am Totally keeping an open mind and WANT to believe that Neil, Lilly Rose's Daddy, is INNOCENT. I just want to know ALL the facts before I am 100% convinced of Neil's ABSOLUTE Guilt. Till then, I will support His Innocence and continue to keep both Rachel's Family AND The Entwistle's in My thoughts and Prayers.

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Karina, Teessider, more specific Middlesbrough.
Are you a Carlisle lass or a Scouser? Where in the North-west?
I wish I could support his innocence but my instinct tells me not to.
Like Joe said: "You don't need proof when you have instinct!!!!!"

[Mary Jo Neirink]

I have also been following this case, I cannot believe that someone could shoot an innocent baby and her mom. I just had my first child in June 05 and when I look at my daughter Madeline, so innocent and trusting it sickens me that someone could take that all away. That being said, I now know how much formula, diapers, and daycare cost and how hard it is to maintain a relationship when the dynamics of your family change. Rachel (from what I've read about her) seemed to be an intelligent woman, and she just found out about the money problems, give me a break! how could two people with basically no income and I'm assuming no health insurance live so excessively, I have a job and so does Madeline's dad, we do not live in a posh neighborhood and we have nice cars but by no means are they BMW SUV's.

[Mary Jo Neirink]

so I am not buying the idea that Rachel just found out about the money problems. Also, if her parents showed up at a dinner party and no one answers the door why would thir first thoughts be that of foul play? If my mom showed up at my house for dinner and I didn't answer she would not wait for the police she would break down the door herself and look for us. Another point and maybe someone posting here can answer this, did the step dad have his guns locked in a cabinent?

[Karina]

Ah, A Middlesborough Man Radgy! I'm from just outside Liverpool, so not EXACTLY a Scouser but I live Pretty close. Not too far from Manchester either. A True Northern Lass! Still giving Neil the benefit of the doubt, tho. I agree, His actions after He found His Wife and Baby slain are V. Curious, to say the least! I kind of think He may have been 'Running' from Someone/Something. I think He and Rachel were caught up in something 'Heavy' if You know what I mean. In other words, I think there was 'More To It' than just a Guy who 'Flipped Out' due to stress, financial problems, etc., My guess is He's still scared to speak about 'Whatever it is'. Maybe He HAS spoken to Weinstein about 'it' by now. Who knows?!! Sounds very far fetched and 'X Files(ish)' I know, but....... Hi Mary Jo Neirink, I agree 100% about Rachel (God rest Her soul) NOT being as Naive as is made out in the Press. She knew Neil for 6 yrs. (They apparently met at York Uni. in 1999) I just DON'T BUY this 'Woman in the dark' spin. It's Nonsense! Also, Neil and Rachel's 'Lifestyle' and 'Standard of living' really went 'Big Time' when they moved to Mass. They had, I've been told, a 'Very Modest' Home in England. What happened in 5 months to change that? Did they win the lottery? I don't' think so! She was out of work and so was He. They go and rent a HUGE Detached House, pay $6,000.00 for new furniture, in a House they had only leased for THREE MONTHS! Then they lease a BMW SUV! Something was 'Up' for sure and I believe ALL will be revealed, once the Trial gets under way. I am convinced Neil & Rachel were in something up to their necks and I think Rachel's Parents are NOT as 'In The Dark' as they like to portray either. I am Terribly Sad for Rachel and Lilly Rose. ESPECIALLY that Beautiful little girl. She was just an Angel! I am STILL standing behind Neil. He COULDN't have done that to Her. No way!

[RadgyGadgy]

I read the guns were locked in the cabinet. Neil (and the Step-father) knew where the keys to the cabinet were kept. Neil's DNA was found on the pistol grip. If the Step-father was the last to touch the murder weapon, wouldn't HIS DNA be on the pistol grip?
Also doesn't the Step-father have a clean alibi that he was working at the time of the shootings? What about the Mattarizio's spare house keys found in Neil's SUV at the airport? Did the set of keys belong to Neil so he could access his Step-father's house whenever he needed to?

[RadgyGadgy]

Mary Jo,
Let's face it....A socio-path or some individual with a severe personality disorder committed these murders. Someone with no empathy. Someone who finds drinking a glass of water an equal task to killing an innocent life. It was obviously no big deal to him. People like this return calm and normal seconds after killing someone, just like it never happened. So I can believe someone who would shoot an innocent baby: A socio-path.

[Karina]

Radgy, in answer to some of Your questions.....Yes, We are told the cabinet was locked. Was it tho.? Were the guns loaded? Most People who own guns keep their guns 'Unloaded'. If this were the case, 'Where' were the bullets kept? Would Neil 'know' where to find them? Neil had used the .22 calibre in the past, when He had gone 'Shooting' with His Father-in-Law, so 'Obviously' His DNA was on the pistol grip. Mr. Matterazzo told Police that He went 'Shooting' on Saturday 21st Jan. (Supposedly the day AFTER the 2 victims were killed. Tho. nobody has given an 'Exact' time of death) He said He had not used this particular gun since the previous September, some 4 months earlier.(Obviously 'HIS' DNA was then on the pistol grip). Also, Mr. Matterazzo said that He 'Normally' cleaned His guns prior to going shooting, however, He told Police that 'On this occasion' He hadn't. Coincidence? Maybe. Regarding the Matterazzo'z House keys, being found in the BMW parked at Logan Airport, maybe Neil was 'unaware' that they were even in there. Rachel could have put them there, for safekeeping, unbeknownst (Sp?) to Neil. Also, do We know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that 'THAT' gun WAS the actual 'Murder Weapon'? This is NOT an open & shut case for the Prosecution. Not by a LONG way.

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Karina,

The police reports said both victims were shot with .22 pistol which ballistics matched from the 2 bullets found in the bodies.
So, it was proven by experts that a gun was the murder weapon. More specifically a .22 caliber pistol which was from the Matterazo home gun cabinet. So a gun WAS the murder weapon.

How long does DNA last on a pistol grip?
They found Entwistle's first so it must have been pretty fresh on there.
Was Matterazo's DNA found on the grip?

What about Matterazo's alibi and witness statements during the time of the murders? Must have been pretty strong or else the Police would have him under arrest, Yes?
So far I haven't heard or read about any witnesses seeing Entwistle on his "errands" during the time of the murders, but he was seen on airport CCTV AFTER the murders. So really Neil doesn't have a solid alibi, does he?

Also, its pretty clear that many people keep guns and bullets together in a specific location ie) a gun cabinet - just like people keep shirts and trousers together in a wardrobe-
BUT clothes aren't life threatening like guns are, so the gun cabinet is more than likely to have been locked.
Any common sensed person would keep a gun cabinet locked. What if one of your grandchildren got hold of a gun from the cabinet? Or what if a burglar breaks into you home while you are sleeping and comes across "the unlocked gun cabinet?" Come on!
If I had a gun cabinet all of my guns and ammo would be in there locked and safe from harm.
You would have to be stupid to leave a gun cabinet unlocked. I bet Matterazo always locked that cabinet the same as when he locks his car door everytime he leaves his car, or locks his house front door everytime he goes to bed. Things like this which pose dangerous risks to life are sub-conciously dealt with and secured. Otherwise you are a careless fool and not only do you risk your own safety but the safety of others too.

Neil said in his police affidavit that he returned from errands which took 2 hours, to find his wife and baby dead when 2 hours earlier they were alive and well.

He also specified in detail that he saw Rachel was SHOT in the head and Lillian was SHOT in th abdomen and there was BLOOD on the body.
This totally contradicts the police finding of the bodies 2 days later, because the police said it was not obvious to tell if they had been shot.
At first the Police thought they had died of carbon monoxide poisioning because there was NO VISABLE EVIDENCE that they had been shot and there was
NO BLOOD on the body. So how did Neil know they had been shot and why did he say he saw blood, when clearly there wasn't any?
Why did Neil lie about the bodies? Why was his DNA on the pistol grip?

After he discovers the bodies he flees to the UK. Why?
On his return from errands he said he found nobody in the house apart from the dead bodies, meaning he didn't know who shot them.
I can understand Neil fleeing to the UK if the murderer threatened him and he was afraid for his life.

But he doesn't know who killed them, he found only them dead so why didn't he go to the Police and report the crime? If he's innocent why doesn't he cooperate with the Police? If he is afraid of someone why doesn't he do a deal with police: grass on the killer then go into the witness protection program.

Why was his car dumped with Matterazo's house keys inside?
Why was Neil caught on airport CCTV appearing calm and normal (socio-path behaviour) as if nothing had happened?
Why was a ONE-WAY ticket purchased?

At his arraignment it was reported that Neil was "grim-faced" and his eye's were darting about avoiding eye contact with his mother-in-law and family. Why? Not talking is fair enough, but NO eye contact towards your dead wife's family???For me this is not honest behaviour from an innocent man.

Finally, put yourself in Neil's shoes....
If you lived in America and you returned after 2 hours of shopping to find you own flesh and blood murdered and you were innocent...
What would you do? Go for help or flee the country???

There are too many suspicious facts pointing at him...too many.

[Karina]

WOW! You TOTALLY think Neil is Guilty. Right?!!! Sorry, I STILL DON'T! Matterazzo's 'DNA' MUST HAVE BEEN ON THE GRIP. He told Police He used THAT SPECIFIC GUN (The 'so called' Murder weapon)on Sauturday (The 'supposed day' AFTER the Murders)after having not used it for FOUR MONTHS. Weird huh? VERY Convenient. He OBVIOUSLY 'Didn't' clean His gun, before using it for target shooting, (which He 'Normaly' did) coz He would have removed Neil's DNA, which would probably have STILL been present, from when they last went target shooting the previous September. Neil probably had 'Little' experience with guns and yet, the killings would appear to be that of an expert shooter. An Assasin perhaps? They were VERY cold and precise. There WAS blood found at the scene. A pillow(s) were found to have blood stains on them. They were taken by Police for Forensics. One pillow was said to have been found over the face of poor Lilly Rose. Also, there were said to be 'contusions' found on the face of Lillian. On one Police report this was recorded. On another it WAS NOT! Hummm? Guess the 'Truth' has to be out there somewhere. Yes, I agree, Neil's behaviour does appear strange, and to People on the outside looking in, unorthadox. However, I, like a few others have also stated, tend to believe He was running for His life, rather than running from a Double Homicide that He was supposed to have commited. Hopefully, one day, We will ALL know the Real Story.

[RadgyGadgy]

There WAS blood found at the scene. A pillow(s) were found to have blood stains on them. (Karina)

Entwistle stated in his affidavit that he saw blood on the BODY. He mentioned nothing about bed clothes or pillows! Come on!
The blood on the pillow wouldn't have been visable to the human eye!
Forensic tests in a lab would have discovered the blood in tiny speckles.
Again Karina, a .22 calibre pistol would NOT have made a mess of blood on the pillows or on the bodies. A .22 is designed to do a nice clean job, where the bullets lodge into the body hence not exiting the body and not causing a bloody mess! Its difficult to see if someone has been shot with a .22.
Its not like a .44 magnum "which would blow your head clean off."
Was he that confused he couldn't tell the difference between a PILLOW and a HUMAN BODY. He's telling porkies. Therefore he is hiding some knowledge about the murders. If he is innocent which I doubt, if I was in his shoes I would cooperate with the police and lead them to the murderer, then go into the witness protection program where I would be untouchable. He owes at least that much to his dead wife and child. If he is guilty which I strongly suspect, he must stop this socio-pathic behaviour of being arrogant, not cooperating, and acting calm and normal which is very freaky.

If innocent why isn't he cooperating?
If you think Matterazo is somehow responsible, how come there is no evidence to connect him to the crime and place him under arrest?

Can you give me your view on these Q's Karina?

[RadgyGadgy]

Hey Karina,
I don't TOTALLY think Neil is guilty.
The whole reason why I'm on this forum is because I think Neil is a prime suspect and I want to question and challenge people like you who think he's innocent, eventhough there is loads of evidence which points the big finger at him and nobody else.
Everything I have shared on this thread, comes from police evidence I have read and written reports regarding Entwistle's strange behavior.
Why don't you convince me he is potentially innocent by posting a link for me on this thread, or use your own speculation to a higher degree to convince me, instead of shift blaming the murders onto Matterazo, who police don't have any evidence to link him to the crime.

Why was euthanasia, suicide and "killing people with a knife" found on Entwistle's PC 2 days before the murders?

Why did he flee the country?

Why was a one-way ticket purchased?

Why isn't he cooperating with the US police?

Why does his affidavit stating: he witnessed his wife and child had been shot and there was blood on the body - totally contradict the police report on the findings two days later, which confirmed there was no blood on the body and it was not clear they had been shot with a gun?

Karina, if it was your daughter and grandaughter who had been murdered in a same situation. What would you think of your son-in-law up to now? Would you think he's innocent and protect him? He's not cooperated with you or police to find the killer, he fled the country after he found his own flesh and blood slain, he purchased a one-way ticket, did internet searches on killing people two days before finding his family dead.

Don't you think all of these facts which have been confirmed, point to a prime suspect? Neil Entwistle?

[Karina]

I didn't say Matterazzo was the One responsible Radgy. I don't know WHO is at this point in time, but I CANNOT convict Neil until I know more. I Appreciate all your points and I will go away and see if I can come up with something to make You see things diffrently. I somehow don't think I will succeed tho., as I feel You are already set in Your mind. That, of course, is Your prorogative. No probs. with that. Enjoy discussing with You. Talk with You soon.

[RadgyGadgy]

Just trying to get answers Karina.
A good argument is healthy, so lets keep it up.
Lets face it, why is there so much evidence against him
which looks bad? Why is he acting so rudely and not
cooperating? I didn't say you said Matterazzo was the responsible one!
Just don't shift blame towards other possibilities which police don't have evidence to support. We know why they charged Entwistle because they had evidence to link the murder weapon to him and Rachel.
Surprises can happen and maybe some evidence will prove Entwistle innocent
but I reckon that will be a long shot, because of evidence, his actions and his attitude since day one.
By the way, are you a Wigan girl?

[Sara]

Hey. Karina and Radgy. I would like to know what you guys think about my questions. Before I ask, I would like to say...I WANT so badly for Neil to be innocent. I don't think he has for sure been proven guilty YET. Evidence definately points to him, but he is not totally proven that way yet. Getting on to the questions....One thing that makes me think he's guilty is the very fact that he said he had SEEN the bodies and murder of his family, that he admitted to being in the country when they died, and that he seemed to have no concern about how they died. If he didn't want to be proven guilty, why would he not say that he was away on business for a few days, then flew to London to see his parents (or on business trip)and bought a one way ticket because he would be there for awhile and it was cheaper to buy that way. I mean the guy had all sorts of smarter ways to hide if he is guilty. He could have at least TRIED to erase the fact that he was in the states at the time of the murder and would have been much better off for defending himself. WHY? Was he crazy and couldn't think of a better way to get out of it? Does that prove that he IS guilty or is there something to his story? That's my biggest question. I mean, if you want to look innocent, tell police that you were to devastated to come back to the funerals and that would give you a little more say in the matter. Someone that is appearing to be so smart is really stupid in his own defense, I'd say. Does he want everyone to find out because he is guilty? Was he drunk when he did it and realized afterwards that he killed them in a drunken rage? He sounds like he was pretty out of it for awhile or he would have come up with some better eveidence in his favor. Unless of course, he's right? Let me know what you think...

[Sara]

It's me again. This is especially to those who are British who have written on this site. I just want you to know that not all Americans have condemned Neil. I STRONGLY believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty, otherwise, what is the use of a trial in this case. I really hope they give him a chance. I hope above all that he is not guilty. I am not proud of America right now, but it is still my home and a great place for that matter! Don't judge all of us on just a few of us! By the way, I am totally impressed by the openness of the British people on this site. You guys are an inspiration to me! It's refreshing to see people actually look at things from a different perspective than what the media is giving us over here. There are so many facts that still need to be investigated that none of us can really come to a conclusion. Thanks to the person who lets us "vent" on this site. Neil, I hope you are innocent.

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Sara,
I think Neil (if he is guilty) was one of these cases where people do strange things under stress. I reckon he was stressed with his huge debts, with lying to his family, living a lie, and he started thinking crazy things to get out of the declining trap.
Sometimes it is human nature to get rid of things which get in our way or become a strain or a threat to us. Getting rid of something in a socio-path's mind can involve killing, as they feel no empathy for the victims no matter how close they are to them. For them, pulling the trigger on a gun can compare to drinking a glass of water, and its all performed calmly and quietly.
And about Neil admitting he was in the country at the time of the deaths, could be because things were starting to focus on him and he felt pressured. And we all know that when we are pressured we start making mistakes. May be he couldn't think straight and he was panicking.
For me, I feel very suspicious about him. Nothing is clear. And most of all he isn't behaving like an innocent man would naturally behave. If I was him, I think I would be a nervous wreck at my arraignment, in chains and cuffs. I would be tearful, with mucous streaming from my nose, shaking,
anxious breathing, and I would definitely be looking at my late wife's family in the court room, sympathizing with my tearful eyes, whilst drenched in the shock that the world thinks that I'm responsible for my family's deaths! Entwistle's been very calm and cool, at least in all the photos and TV footage I've seen of him.
Very strange!

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Sara,
I think Neil (if he is guilty) was one of these cases where people do strange things under stress. I reckon he was stressed with his huge debts, with lying to his family, living a lie, and he started thinking crazy things to get out of the declining trap.
Sometimes it is human nature to get rid of things which get in our way or become a strain or a threat to us. Getting rid of something in a socio-path's mind can involve killing, as they feel no empathy for the victims no matter how close they are to them. For them, pulling the trigger on a gun can compare to drinking a glass of water, and its all performed calmly and quietly.
And about Neil admitting he was in the country at the time of the deaths, could be because things were starting to focus on him and he felt pressured. And we all know that when we are pressured we start making mistakes. May be he couldn't think straight and he was panicking.
For me, I feel very suspicious about him. Nothing is clear. And most of all he isn't behaving like an innocent man would naturally behave. If I was him, I think I would be a nervous wreck at my arraignment, in chains and cuffs. I would be tearful, with mucous streaming from my nose, shaking,
anxious breathing, and I would definitely be looking at my late wife's family in the court room, sympathizing with my tearful eyes, whilst drenched in the shock that the world thinks that I'm responsible for my family's deaths! Entwistle's been very calm and cool, at least in all the photos and TV footage I've seen of him.
Very strange!

[Sara]

Radgy,
Another thing I am wondering about?
You're right about the calm attitude being strange, but somehow I see Neil as being melancholy from what I've heard about his family. Being somewhat of a melancholy myself, I am VERY private about everything, esp. when it is something important to me. So I would not be as emotional in front of a crowd of people. However, it IS very strange that he did not come to the funerals and is being so secretive and quiet about everything, but his parents didn't come either. Does that make them responsible too? I don't think so. Why didn't they attend? So my point being...maybe Neil is just a private sort of guy and he does not want to talk about losing his family (this is all supposing he is NOT guilty). Maybe he is not the outwardly emotional type. Maybe he and his family grieve in a quiet sort of way and don't want to talk because right now the media is "prowling" around looking for anything that they can report! I wouldn't want to have them telling the whole world about my life, would you? That's a bit unnerving! Maybe he couldn't handle losing his family. Who could? Still there's so much against him...you would think he would at least call his inlaws and tell them that their daughter and grandbaby are dead? I know I would. And I would do everything to let them know I AM NOT the one that did the crime. So yes, I would be talking to them about now. SO many things to consider. I'm glad I am not on his jury. That would be horrible.
Just some questions I have like everyone else has as well. I wish that I could see Neil in person and his response to the questioning. I think I could tell if he were guilty just by the look on his face. Is it a sad or guilty expression? I can't tell from the pics.
It's been nice to talk to you and see your logical comments. Not all of them are logical on this site! Just a lot of hatred, understandingly. I just think we all need to remember that we are not the ones suffering. It's the family that is and sadly they will always suffer from their loss.

[Sara]

Another question...Does anyone know if alchohol had anything to do with this murder? It's the only thing I can think of that could make someone do something like this and not remember or be confused about the details? Was Neil a drinking type? Maybe he was an alcoholic and killed his family in a drunken rage? I am totally not going off of ANY facts, just a question I have for those who knew him...Let me know if you have any answers. This might explain why he would be looking for escort services on the internet during the time of the killings...not thinking totally straight?

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Sara,
Being British myself, I am a heavy drinker and I reckon more of a drinker than Entwistle. Looking at him, no way is he a drinker or a smoker. His face is too fresh and he looks like he'd be drunk after 3 pints of Guinness!
He was a member of York University's rowing club for Chrissakes!
I am the same age as Entwistle and when I was at University I was drinking at bars every night from 6pm-11.30pm piss drunk and having the time of my life! Only swots and pussies join rowing clubs!
I think he's the type of guy who goes to the pub on Sunday for a 3-4 pints of beer. Then goes home for a snooze as he feels drowsy.
I usually drink every night, and on weekends I tend to drink whisky and beer. I never become violent even after a bottle of whisky on an evening. I don't believe he was drunk as the murders would have been sloppy, and I doubt he could have driven to Carver whilst being drunk. Police would have easily pulled him over. When I am very drunk I still know that murder is wrong and I would never dream of doing it, even when I can't walk straight, I've wet my pants and my speech is slurring. No way would I attack or kill anyone. I don't buy the drunken rage theory. I reckon who ever killed the victims was a sober person who knew them and who pre-meditated the crime.
Sara, have you ever been drunk? Do you drink?
If so you'll find out that you DO remember things the day after while your hang-over starts to fade away.
Also, the majority of people who look up Internet Escort Services are SOBER
and they know exactly what they are doing. If Entwistle was drunk and confused, how did he manage to type in Google :
"Escort Services in Massachusetts", "how to kill people with a knife", obviously because he was sober.

[RadgyGadgy]

Sara,
Are you married? Do you have a child?
If you were accused of their murders and all the world is blaming you and you know you are innocent; wouldn't you be close to having a nervous breakdown????? I don't care how "melancholy" you are!! May be in everyday life you are a melancholy person at work and at the rowing club, but in THIS situation you're telling me you would be calm and cool and ignore your in-laws? Bulls***!!!
Hard man Charles Bronson wouldn't be able to be calm, cool and grim-faced in an arraignment like Entwistle's! No Way!
Only an individual with a personality disorder, or with socio-pathic traits
could show no emotion in this situation.
So what is Entwistle? Innocent? A Psycho? Guilty? - Or an Innocent Psycho?
Or a Psycho who's Guilty? Admit it! His movements and behaviour have been unacceptable since day one of the murders!

[Sue G]

I have a great solution to Murder/Suicide ...

Do the Suicide First!!!!

[RadgyGadgy]

Do you think the mother and baby were victims of an
aborted murder-suicide?
May be the killer's intention was just murder.

[Sara]

Radgy,
OK, so I was just asking a few questions...I was NOT trying to say that all people who get drunk are murderers, and all people who are murderers are drunk by any means! No, I don't drink, but my grandfather did and my mom said that he was mean as can be whenever he got drunk. She said that it totally changed his personality from when he was sober. Even if Neil is guilty, and the murder had nothing to do with alcohol, you cannot prove to me that violent crimes have not happened because of drinking. People fight when they get drunk and do things that they would not normally do. I AM NOT saying that this is what happened with Neil, I was just wondering if anyone knew. I also know that you would remember what you did after the hangover was over...but if you did that sort of crime, why would you ever want to admit to it? I wouldn't. If you say that someone that gets drunk can think so straight, then why couldn't he look up all of that info on the internet? The news says that he looked all of that up in the days leading up to the crime...he could have been drunk AFTER he looked that stuff up? Just some questions, no answers.
As far as the melancholy personality thing, yes, I would be crying my eyes out and in awedul shape if I were Neil. I am married and I cannot imagine ever hurting my spouse. I couldn't live with myself after I did such an aweful thing! But you still never answered why his parents acted the way they did. Why did they not come to the funeral? DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE GUILTY TOO? Do you think they have something to do with the murder because they are being so quiet about it? Because they haven't cried their eyes out in front of the news?
By the way, I too think Neil committed the crime...He looks as guilty as anything. BUT...I want to know why such a think could happen to such a perfect looking family who looked so happy. Especially when there did not appear to be anything wrong in their relationship before the crime. There is definately some info that is being kept secret right now from us. He couldn't just cuddle his baby and talk to his wife days before murder, could he? Did he spend any time with his family in the days before? Did they eat meals together and do family things? Did he flip? He looks too naive to commit such a crime, but his business doesn't sound that way. Did his wife know something was up? Why wouldn't she tell someone? I personally think they had a fight, and it all happened amidst it...about his business, porn, etc. I don't think it was premeditated, though, because of the way he is defending himself. Surely you would have more sense than he has so far if it was premeditated?

[RadgyGadgy]

Sara, you're not sounding like a "melancholy" person now! From reading your post you seem a little offended. Did you have a little outburst? Have you been drinking?
Only joking! I was just trying to challenge you and get an important point across. I value your views, but at the same time they need to be challenged, so we can argue in order to get closer to what really happened with the Entwistles.

If it wasn't a pre-meditated crime, why was a .22 pistol taken from the father-in-law's home?

Or was the loaded pistol just an ornament on exhibition in the Entwistle residence, and the murderer lost his temper and in a split second decided to take it from its plinth and kill two innocent people?

They seemed a happy family but if you are familiar with sociology you'll know that we all "act" when we are in society, and we are normally our most truest when we are in our homes, behind closed doors and out of sight from the public. In my opinion the family website(www.rachelandneil.org) could have been a set-up to brainwash people into thinking they were happy with no problems. May be?

Who knows what went on in their privacy behind closed doors.

What about the sober criminals? The biggest murderers of all time weren't drunk when they killed their victims. 99.9% of murderers have motives and if there are motives, then you can bet that the crime has been pre-meditated, thought-out, calculated, planned. Only true insane criminals who kill don't have motives.

OFCOURSE violent crimes have happened with drinking. Every minute of every day. But commiting murder is a big step from GBH!
I agree totally that some people become violent, disorderly and can murder when drunk. My argument is that the majority of alcohol drinkers are not violent, and that murdering someone under the influence of alcohol is rare to say the least. Drinkers in general go out for fun and a good time.
I've drank in bars for 12 years and I've never seen any physical fighting, nevermind any murders. And I'm British! We're the biggest consumers of alcohol in the world!!
So its pretty obvious that a small minority cause serious violence, but murders are rare.

I doubt it very much that alcohol was the cause of outburst with the Entwistles. No way José.

[Sara]

Radgy,
How do you know that Neil took his father-in-law's gun to kill his family? Is there no shadow of a doubt that it was that gun that killed them? If it was, why wasn't Lillian's DNA found on it? No one knows for sure that the story of him driving to get the gun and driving to take it back is true. Why are we stating this as fact? Is there something I'm missing?

[Sara]

Radgy,
Oh by the way, I am known to have little "outbursts" once in awhile...we melancholy people are full of emotions on the inside and have to let them out once in awhile!

[Sara]

One more question, did Neil's inlaws KNOW that that gun was gone from their house during the time of the murders?

[RadgyGadgy]

I didn't say that Neil took his father-in-law's gun to kill his family -
I merely mentioned this in my notes because its what I've read and heard about the case on TV and newspapers etc.

Why was Rachel's DNA (blood) found on the gun (inside the muzzle)?
I read that Police reports stated that the murder weapon had Neil's DNA on the grip and Rachel's DNA in the muzzle of the SAME gun. Ballistics matched the bullets from the bodies to the SAME gun. This was solid evidence connecting Neil and Rachel to the SAME murder weapon, and it was strong enough evidence for police to arrest and charge Neil. So the murder weapon was that particular gun from the gun cabinet. It has been proven.

May be Lillian's DNA wasn't found on the gun because she was shot from a further distance than Rachel. If Rachel's blood was found inside the muzzle, it sounds to me that she was shot at a very close range, more than likely - point blank.

I read that Neil said to police that he drove to his in-law's house after discovering the dead bodies, but his in-laws weren't home. If he is guilty then he could have easily returned the gun there, unlocking the house with the set of keys which were found later by police in his BMW SUV at Logan airport. So, Neil himself admitted to police that he drove to family house in Carver after discovering the deceased bodies. Innocent or guilty? Who knows? But he admitted driving there.
If he is innocent why didn't he drive to a police station or call for help?

Would you notice if someone took a pair of socks from your chest of drawers? That is if you had many pairs of socks? - I wouldn't!!!
Matterazo has a gun cabinet, so I imagine that he owns MANY guns - or why else would he have a cabinet???

If someone snuck the .22 out of the cabinet what would make Matterazo notice it was absent, if he has rifles, shotguns, and other firearm-related stuff in there? I wouldn't notice it gone... afterall the cabinet is locked, I always lock it - why should I check it?
Someone who knew where the cabinet keys were, took the gun quietly without anyones knowledge and it went to Hopkinton then back to Carver.
And Neil is the only suspect I've read about who coincidently fits in to these scenarios. Thats why he's a prime suspect because of this and police evidence.

Some have speculated that Matterazo was a suspect. If so, where's the police evidence? Why hasn't he been charged? Wasn't he working at the time of the murders? I take it he had witnesses at his work and a solid alibi???
Surely he's clean then? No? Why not?

And finally Sara, I appreciate your "outbursts"...I was just having a laugh with you. Please post soon ;-)

[Sara]

Radgy,
So does the evidence of the gun PROVE for sure that Neil is guilty? That's what it sounds like to me. I don't know much about DNA, but it sounds pretty convincing to me. How can he plead not guilty then if that's all the evidence they need? If there's no question as to whether he did it because of the evidence, then why the trial? I suppose they have to prove it for sure, but why all the confusion then? I read an article in an American magazine yesterday(I'm not sure whether all of the evidence is accurate),that Neil may have bruised Lillian and Rachel was trying to protect her, that's why they were found where they were...do you know anything about that? If that is so, I am sick and I really don't have too much more to say about it. I still really want Neil to be innocent, but it's not looking very good for him. I still don't understand how you can love someone and then end their life! You would have to have gone crazy!

[RadgyGadgy]

Hi Sara,
This case is certainly strange.
As for him pleading not guilty...if you are a calculated murderer who
has no empathy and was hoping to profit in some way from the killings....
then I'm sure you would plead not guilty...like other murderous narcissists, because they want to sly their way out of a prosecution and walk free.

If he's innocent, and some other person murdered them, and Neil DOES know who it is, why doesn't he tell the Police? If Neil is afraid of the murderer harming him, so what?
Neil's facing life with no parole for chrissakes!!!
He'll become VERY afraid if he gets to serve life in prison surrounded by animals who hate child killers. If I was him I'd start talking now in order to save my own life.

If he's not guilty, and some other person murdered them, and Neil DOES NOT
know who it is - then he's 100% innocent.
If he's 100% innocent why did he flee the US to the UK, go into hiding, then not cooperate with anyone including in-laws and authorities involved in the murder case????

And all the evidence linking him to stuff in the case. His unhealthy internet businesses, searches on killing people, DNA on the gun, etc
Just doesn't make sense.

In my opinion -
if you're innocent and you know something, and it looks like your gonna get life with no parole - start talking so Police can catch the culprit. Why should you get the blame when some other dirt bag did it?
After I've told Police, I'd rather let the culprit find me and murder me,
instead of getting raped, beaten and killed in prison.
I'd choose not to be an innocent man doing life for a crime I didn't do.

If you're innocent and you no absolutely nothing - what's the point of being shady and quiet and cease to give any information to Police? Behaviour like this just makes you look guilty. If you have nothing to hide then just come clean.

I think he's hiding something. If he didn't pull the trigger it doesn't mean he wasn't involved. Something is as crooked as a dog's hind leg.

For me, its clear why he's a Prime Suspect.