Natalee Holloway - Breaking News

I've received a reliable but unconfirmed report that ABC will air video of Natalee Holloway and Joran Van Der Sloot together during Natalee's stay in Aruba. The video is said to be airing tomorrow morning on Good Morning America. This could be what the JVDS blog was referring to as explosive.

Update: ABC's Good Morning America is airing an "explosive show" at 7.30am Wednesday from Aruba, Stay tuned for details!

Though I do have a good source for this information, I'll still believe it when I see it. There's been too many false starts from all angles in this investigation to trust much of anything at this point.

Comments

[xxx]

Well, well, well.

What a disappointment the tape must be to the victim haters.

Natalee doesn't look too interested in Joran, she's not coming on to him, not gambling with him, doesn't even LOOK AT HIM as far as I can tell.

She doesn't look wasted or out of control in the least.

Poor, poor folks who wanted to use this tape to further bash and trash a dead girl.

[nym2000]

If their is video of Natalee Holloway and Joran Van Der Sloot together than would it be possible that
Natalee thought she was getting a ride back to the
hotel with Joran?

[Justice4Alll]

Wow, now how did the VDS's have access to the video that is EXPLOSIVE, and the Aruban LE would not release this to save their own hides.

Seems somebody does have some pull

MO

[Joransux]

That video clip on ABC GOOD MORNING AMERICA THIS MORNING IS NOTHING THAT WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW. IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THE GIRLS WERE TELLING THE TRUTH ALL ALONG. We already heard about this but now we see it on a tape. Happened just liek the girls said it did. They certainly did not LIE...

Joran is a PHYCOPATH. His dad has taught him well . Son, hold a straight face, looked relaxed liek you are telling the truth. No problem son. We will take care of it. Yeah right LOL

[LoveBETH]

FREEEEEEEAKS!!!! just listen to yourselves!!!

Posted by: truthbetold | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 03:05 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes..we are listening to you and the likes of you. Histerical fools.
All of you hate Natalee, hate Beth, Dave, Jug & all the Mountain Brook girls and guys.
You are the pathetic jerk offs. And FREEEEEEKKKKKKKKSSSSSSS!

[ChinbeardXIV]

To which statement by the girls are you making reference, Joransux? They flip-flopped like democrats early on...

[Florida Patty]

XXX what were on the tapes? I can't get GMA because I'm at work.

Who was on GMA for the story? and how did they obtain the video?

Thanks.

[ChinbeardXIV]

LoveBETH, "Freak" has an "A"...

[xxx]

I don't think that is accurate.

If there was any confusion it could have been simply that some of them saw Joran in the casino and assumed that Natalee met him earlier than she did.

Or, it could have been from Person A and Person B having different information, e.g. if Person A was with Natalee when she met Joran earlier in the week and Person B was unaware of this and was with her again later in the week then they would both be telling the truth about what they believed was the first time she met him.

Many people don't seem to want to differentiate between honest confusion or different recollections and outright lies.

[Florida Patty]

I worry about some people at times. Geez. Anger management classes might help.

anyway

XXX, again, what was on the tape? Do we know how they got it? Was it someone's video camera or surveillance from the casino?

thanks

[Thor]

Are we doing a spelling bee again?

[xxx]

Natalee and Joran are in the casino, no interaction.

Natalee walks in, she's then at the table with several of her girlfriends.

In a word, vanilla.

I don't see Natalee asking Joran to win her back any money, as he said in Lie #1, I don't see her talking to him, flirting with him, or calling him her lucky charm.

It is possible there is more 'explosive' video of an actual interaction/conversation between Joran and Natalee to be aired at a later date but in this footage she doesn't even look at him, let alone talk to him or come on to him.

[Spotter]

ha....No spelling be's today. Unless of course you want to log into the NH forum and tell that bitch gagal_05 a thing or two about spelling and a thing or two about hatred. What a slimeball hick. Always putting down Beth & Natalle and taking up for that *sshole liar Joran. Some people are really demon dogs.

[ChinbeardXIV]

I don't see Natalee asking Joran to win her back any money, as he said in Lie #1, I don't see her talking to him, flirting with him, or calling him her lucky charm.

It is possible there is more 'explosive' video of an actual interaction/conversation between Joran and Natalee to be aired at a later date but in this footage she doesn't even look at him, let alone talk to him or come on to him.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:28 AM

xxx, was Joran van der Sloot (a.k.a. The Predator) approaching her and/or dumping something into her drink? I haven't seen the video...

[xxx]

No interaction between the two. Joran is also behaving normally at another table. This is at the casino, not C&C so if something was dumped in her drink it didn't happen this early in the night.

[ChinbeardXIV]

ha....No spelling be's today. Unless of course you want to log into the NH forum and tell that bitch gagal_05 a thing or two about spelling and a thing or two about hatred. What a slimeball hick. Always putting down Beth & Natalle and taking up for that *sshole liar Joran. Some people are really demon dogs.

Posted by: Spotter | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:34 AM

I've spoken with GaGal_05 in the past...and, she's really a very personable poster. I think you might be labeling her a little quickly, Spotter.

I do think a lot more people are being open minded about the case now than six months ago.

[ChinbeardXIV]

True, xxx...and I agree that any interaction between the two would have occurred later, at CnC's. With no interaction at the casino, though, it makes the story where JvdS was asked about CnC's less credible. Isn't that the one people are using to create the stalk factor, for lack of a better term?

[boywonder]

xxx, was Joran van der Sloot (a.k.a. The Predator) approaching her and/or dumping something into her drink? I haven't seen the video...

Posted by: ChinbeardXIV | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:34 AM

Dont tell me C&C's has surveilence tapes too?

[boywonder]

Wonder if the casino tapes ever show Joran playing the "Tournament"

[xxx]

Well we don't know if there is other footage of them in the casino at the same time or not.

My view of the predator angle is that a guy does not show up at a bar 45-60 minutes before closing time and expect to get lucky unless his plan is to find a girl who is so drunk she doens't know what is happening, can barely stand up, etc. or, he's got a little something to put in her drink that will make her that way.

But it is kind of premature to say for sure what the whole casino tapes reveal. I know Jug has said that the interaction Joran described of Joran winning money back from Natalee did not happen, but you will not take Jug's word for so that is fine.

However, IF it is shown that interaction DID NOT HAPPEN, I would hope a reasonable person would wonder why an innocent/scared boy would not only invent the end of the night, with the HI/security guard drop off but would also invent an interaction at the casino that did not happen.

[inthecountrygirl]

I agree it is vanilla tape however it clearly shows Natalee at the table drinking bottled water. You can see others with mixed drinks at the table but not Natalee. Who knows what the rest of the tape will show.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Nope, I wouldn't take Jug Twitty's word for it...but, I would take Dave Holloway's word.

As for hooking up at the end of the evening, well, I know for a fact that vacation hot spots at closing time are the perfect venues for young men just looking for a "sporting event" for the evening. We all did it when we were in our late teens and early 20's...and no drugging was necessary. Both parties were ready, willing, and able.

xxx, if the casino tapes show no interaction, I don't see the big deal. We already know JvdS (the Kalpoes, BHT, the MB kids, etc.) has lied...but there's no reasonable leap from lying to drugging/raping/killing/disposing. As more info comes available, though, I'll adjust my line of thinking...

Our reasons for showing up at closing time? 1) We were college kids with very little cash, so we didn't want to have to buy a gal drinks all night long, 2) we didn't care to exchange life stories with them--nor they, with us, and 3) we were able to "get our drink on" in someone's dorm room much cheaper than doing it at a club...

[xxx]

Chin,

Let's say for argument's sake that no 'lucky charm' interaction with Natalee took place.

This is more than a little white lie and this cannot be attributed to being scared or embarrassed about leaving Natalee at the beach. Why would a scared teenage boy who doesn't want to get in trouble make up an entire scenario where the missing girl is drinking, gambling, flirting with him, calling him her lucky charm and he's winning back her money for him?

I don't think you are a stupid person so, if you are being realistic you would have to find such a detailed lie having NOTHING TO DO WITH the end of the night as a red flag.

I would think, again, if it is proven this interaction did not occur, that he made it up solely to make Natalee look bad to the police...and it would be another indication to me that he told this completely fabricated story knowing FOR A FACT that Natalee Holloway was never going to show up and say "I never called you my lucky charm and you never won any money for me, dude?!"

Consciousness of guilt.

[yankee-in-france]

Natalee may not have been an angel,but she doesn't disserve To be hurt,raped and held against her will if she is alive.You DUFUSES need to look in the mirror.Sick MF's you are.Another thing..you did not have to watch Beth on TV you could've changed channels.You stupid people must be hard up to spew your filth about a girl like that.

Posted by: greeneyedlady | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 01:31 AM

Wow, what nasty language -- greeneyed what -- not a lady, for sure.

Speaking of stupid, what is more stupid than saying she (Natalee) was hurt, raped and held against her will without any evidence or proof. Why don't you say that in the NH forum -- they'll chew you up over there!

[yankee-in-france]

don't see Natalee asking Joran to win her back any money, as he said in Lie #1, I don't see her talking to him, flirting with him, or calling him her lucky charm.

It is possible there is more 'explosive' video of an actual interaction/conversation between Joran and Natalee to be aired at a later date but in this footage she doesn't even look at him, let alone talk to him or come on to him.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:28 AM

Why would you see Natalee asking him to win back her money? That occurred later at C&C. Turn your lightbulb on.

[xxx]

As far as I know there are no blackjack tables at C&C, so Joran wasn't winning any money back for her at C&C if it happened it was in the casino..

Maybe you want to do some more research on the case.

[Mike]

"Why would you see Natalee asking him to win back her money? That occurred later at C&C. Turn your lightbulb on"

I thought C&C was a nightclub not a casino....why would she ask him to win her money back there?

[xxx]

She wouldn't, its just more disinformation spread by the uninformed or those who want to distort anything that might reflect badly on the suspects.

[justthefactspls]

I agree it is vanilla tape however it clearly shows Natalee at the table drinking bottled water. You can see others with mixed drinks at the table but not Natalee. Who knows what the rest of the tape will show.
Posted by: inthecountrygirl | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 08:55 AM

NO this this tape does not clearly show Bottled Water. You cannot make out what she's drinking. You can't even determine it's a bottle. But infer what you please.

[Robin Tyra]

VERY interesting.

It does support some witnesses accounts that Natalee and her friends were the ones pursuing Joran. If anyone was doing the stalking it was the girls. All that video proves is that he was trying to go about his own business and the MB girls seemed to be in heat.

[xxx]

How in the world do you get that out of this video?

[Robin Tyra]

What are they doing hovering over Joran? A stranger? What did they want?

And were you as surprised as I to hear on the report that Natalee's friends "begged" her to not leave with the strangers and she went anyway? That was one determined lady. Very strong headed and aggressive women.

[Lisa]

How do you get to the NH forum?

[Mongo]

Boy for the fluzzie she is portrayed Natalee is at least 3 feet from the guy on her left and 2-3 people away from Jvds, seems there was no contact, Natalee seemed interest in the game, not the Big Dutch Dude. BTW who is the guy on the left, looks like a older dude?

[COLUMBO]

"It does support some witnesses accounts that Natalee and her friends were the ones pursuing Joran."

Does the tape show who sat at the table first? Let's say NH pursued Joran. There then is the possibility that she encountered somebody later with whom she did not consent. It only came out from Joran after his release that he took her to his house first. He was leter seen in a car before 3AM behind the racquet club, apparently waiting. Did he drop her off? Good bet.......

[Lisa]

How do you get into the NH forum?

[Robin Tyra]

As was mentioned in the report, the video really helps disprove Beth's theory that Joran targeted Natalee. THEY approached him. That answers a lot. He was NOT stalking Natalee. In fact, and as several witnesses have admitted, he didn't seem remotely interested in her initially. They were following him around.

[Lisa]

By the way, hey CHIN! LONG time no see. How are you? I was hoping by now, this case would be solved.

[COLUMBO]

SHOW THE REAL TAPE-THE ATM FOOTAGE

[Lisa]

By the way, hey CHIN! LONG time no see. How are you? I was hoping by now, this case would be solved.

[COLUMBO]

Where is the WMD???

Posted by: Arubaanse | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 12:25 AM

Lebanon, via Damascus-flown in before the war (thanx U.N.)....with the Libya project (an outsource) safely housed in New Mexico

[xxx]

No one is talking to Joran or looking at him in this videotape. They don't seem remotely interested in him.

Get over yourself your are making yourself look even stupider than you probably are in real life if this shows that the girls are stalking Joran.

[ooo]

they're not talking to each other either. they're playing/watching the game.

[ooo]

also, the waterbottle club seems to not notice that she's not drinking from the water bottle. she's drinking from the straw in the glass in her right hand.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Consciousness of guilt.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 09:08 AM

xxx, I honestly don't think we can put too much credence in a snippet of video that shows JvdS and the group of girls from MB. As was my argument against the Deepak Kalpoe tape, I think this snippet can be taken to mean any number of things. Unless we see a tape of the entire time that JvdS and Miss Holloway were at the casino, it's purely speculative about what transpired. I will venture to say one thing, though...it looked as though he was in conversation with someone to his left, at least twice in the snippet.

[COLUMBO]

Babylon's surveillance footage is needed:

http://www.wyndham.com/hotels/AUAPB/casablancacasino/main.wnt

[xxx]

Oh I agree, this snipet is pretty worthless.

But given all the bad stuff that has been written about the MB students and Natalee, they sure look pretty tame to me. Though to be fair, so does Joran.

No one looks rowdy or drunk or aggressive or flirtatious on either side.

I agree, without the full tape of whether more interactions occured between the group as time went on it tells us nothing. Less than nothing in fact since there was never a dispute to my knowledge that they met in the casino, so ABC pretending they just confirmed some neverbefore known fact is b.s.

[ChinbeardXIV]

By the way, hey CHIN! LONG time no see. How are you? I was hoping by now, this case would be solved.

Posted by: Lisa | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 09:58 AM

Hi, Lisa!

I'd hoped by now that either A) Natalee Holloway was found, alive and well, residing in the Hawaiian islands or something...or...B) that JvdS and the Kalpoes had either been found guilty of causing harm to NH OR that they had been proven innocent. I'm just ready for it to end...

[ChinbeardXIV]

No one is talking to Joran or looking at him in this videotape. They don't seem remotely interested in him.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 10:02 AM

Twice, when we're shown a close-up, JvdS is looking to his left and his lips are moving. Either he's chewing gum or he's speaking to someone to his left. It's not a fact that he's speaking to one of the MB girls...but I do think he's speaking to someone on that side.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Yeah, xxx, ABC came just a hair from being as boring as Geraldo opening Capone's vault. I agree, neither the MB students or JvdS seemed to be drunk, disorderly, or on the prowl.