Beth Twitty Interview With Ducth TV

Not all of it is sub-titles. But Beth is speaking in English, of course. And there is captioning for parts of it. With the background music, at times it looks like a soap opera. And the very last comments from Beth are interesting, even threatening, in a sense.

video hear.

Update: More on the on going GMA interview and some home movies via the Joran Van der Sloot blog.

Comments

[Robin Tyra]

Skye, I know we are on the same page, and I understand what you are trying to say, but I'm afraid that talking about this topic on here is like nailing jello to a tree and most of them couldn't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight. JMHO

Posted by: Sweetie | Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 01:42 PM

Someone said once that the use of profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind trying to express itself.

[Sweetie]

The buttocks (often called butt or ass in colloquial American speech and arse in British speech)
Hardly profanity, get it right.

[Freebrid]

Robin you talk about someone using profanity and all you can do is talk about the way a person looks! To me you are the one with a narro mind.. anyone who would talk about a person who is missing and can't defend themselfs you are the one with a problem... And as for as Beth I don't blame her for acting like she does, her daughter is missing.. you know its not like someone who maybe lost their cat or something we are talking about a real person, I don't know if you have ever had the wonderful joy of having a child but when that child is taken from you your not the same anymore, you do whatever you can to find them, its called "the love of a mother & father" if I were missing I would love to have a mom & dad like Beth & Dave to know they were searching for me no matter what anyone said or no matter how many times the investgation was stalled, they keep on looking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Dave & Beth never stop, some day we will know what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sweetie]

Freebrid, yes, well said.

[bluesky]

The ending just looked like a soap opera...

And the Razzie goes to....

[bluesky]

Or is it an Oscar ???

[Cheri]

I really get sick of fools who say "I don't blame her for anything, her daughter is missing"....well sorry that does NOT give Beth the right to threaten people and lie lie lie

Yes, this is tragedy....but there is NO proof at all that J2k did anything...there are so many many cases in the usa that are never solved, or not "right"...why this insane persecution of a small island? why this vendetta?

JMO many "users" have gotten their noses in here>> TJ Ward, Art Woods, Jossy, Dr Phil, Skeeter, Greta, Geraldo, Rita, etc and that abominable creep Joe Felon M....Beth is being used by them just as she uses them

all in all, there are far more important and relevant issues than one missing adult who chose to go on a party trip...this whole thing has been a media farce. I am glad to see Jorans parents finally speaking out on a major show and disgusted that Beth is being given yet more air time to spew her lies on her favorite cable shows :(

[Robin Tyra]

I really get sick of fools who say "I don't blame her for anything, her daughter is missing"....well sorry that does NOT give Beth the right to threaten people and lie lie lie

Thank you Cheri! Hopefully people will remember that vigilante justice is NOT okay.

[Robin Tyra]

The buttocks (often called butt or ass in colloquial American speech and arse in British speech)
Hardly profanity, get it right.

Posted by: Sweetie | Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 04:40 PM

Get what right? You used profanity and I gave my opinion on that. Obviously you're feeling a tad embarrassed. Your problem!

[Arubaanse]

I will be honest with u people...There were moments where I wanted to throw rotten food at her if she step her foot on our soil again but we can not blame her...I know what she does is not ok...ofcourse i am angry at her for calling a boycott...after everything we did for her and this how she pays us back...but like freebrid said, it's her daughter who went missing not a cat or a dog.
The only thing I want Beth to know is that the people of Aruba have not forget Natalee and I think we never will...We are still searching for her and will find the truth!!!

[Skye]

You can be sick all you want, Cheri, but it is a fact that Beth is a parent and her daughter is missing. Beth has not lied, Joran lied. Beth has not threatened anyone. You are drinking too much of the swamp soup stirred by those people like yourself that sit behind their computers and write their opinons of different things that might have happened in order to support Joran and picking apart things Beth has said that the collective one brain cell shareholders take out of context to give themselves something to talk about. I have even heard your group talk about what Beth was wearing and go into extensive conversation about her makeup and hair. It is ludricous.

[TJ]

Beth has been lying from day one. She knows that Natalee is dead (by OD, blood poisoning or an accident in relation to her drug and alcohol abuse; some MB kids and chaperonnes were around her that night) or that Natalee fled from her 'Hitler' family. All this evil woman has been doing is blaming the Van der Sloots and Arubans to detract the attention from the truth...

[Skye]

Sweetie, Just ignore Robin drivel. She has to pick something trivial like that to direct attention away from the fact that she cannot support her posts in which she is bashing Beth with anything meaningful.

And as for the line the one brain cell shareholders constantly resort to about there being numerous missing persons in the US, yes there are. Natalee is missing on the island of Aruba. This should have been a very simple case to solve but ALE has made repeated mistakes that they admitted they made and caused this case to be far more complicated than it should have been had they done their job as professionals and investigated with the intent to find the truth.

[Skye]

What proof do you have of that , TJ?

[lieslayer]

I wish the Kalpoes and the Van Der Sloots would sue the sh*t out of her. She is a liar and a manipulator. She wouldn't know the truth if it slapped her across her ugly face.

Posted by: Jody | Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 06:45 PM
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Jody you a slut ~not even a prostitute that get pays for it.
You are so damn ugly that no one woudl pay you for it.

Beth is a beauiful lady with dignity.

Go screw yourself.

[Elo0209]

Jody you a slut ~not even a prostitute that get pays for it.
You are so damn ugly that no one woudl pay you for it.

Beth is a beauiful lady with dignity.

Go screw yourself.

Posted by: lieslayer
Jody you are a very aggressive and sick person. Go get medical attention!

[Robin Tyra]

Meaningful to whom? That IS a bit subjective, Skye. And you are categorically lumping everyone into Pro-Beth or Pro-Joran teams--like no one is capable of critical thinking. And I've never been remotely interested in what Beth wears. Not her makeup, definitely am not interested in her hair.

I am interested in what seems like illegal activity on her's or someone in her camps part for making threats. That IS illegal. You know that, right Skye?

[Robin Tyra]

Freebird, you miss my point. When I say Natalee was a big girl, I'm saying she was not some shrinking violet, or a ten year old. She was a big woman, on the cusp of 19. Whoever said she was 110 lbs. needs to have their head examined. In and of itself, I'm not really interested in her looks. But she does look like she could beat up the K brothers all by herself, and like she could have given Joran a run for his money for that matter. The Beth supporters act like she was absolutely helpless, too weak to lift a finger. They forget how many times they aired footage of her in her drill team finery and riding a motorcycle!! Weak, nuh uh.

[scubajap]

Is Joran saying that he is receiving death threats? What proof has he brought forth to prove any threats?

Perhaps he is claiming death threats for attention or sympathy.

Posted by: Skye | Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 11:32 PM

He doesn't have to bring forth any proof. The sickos send copies to the Aruba Task force, the aruban government and the Aruba today to name a few.
Want to see some? I got copies. here is one:

-----Original Message-----
From: arubasucks@comcast.net [mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net" title="mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net" title="mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net">arubasucks@comcast.net [mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net">mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net" title="mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net">arubasucks@comcast.net [mailto:arubasucks@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:54 PM
To: CORUPT ARUBAN GOVERMENT
Cc: Aruba Today; ATA Aruba
Subject:

Tuesday, December 27, 2005
Joran: I Would Sue Dr.Phil
Speaking to Diario Newspapers, Joran Van Der Sloot said he would have
sued Dr. Phil for damages had he been in Deepak's position. It is
unclear if Joran has kissed and made up with the Kalpoe Brothers. Joran,
who has been carrying a low profile since returning to Aruba, said he
enjoyed spending christmas with his family and believes the Aruban
boycott is unjustified. Sources say Joran has been offered protection by
the Government of Aruba to ensure his safety.

Trust me this cock sucker won't be safe even if he had the whole
Dutch army protecting him. Do you know how easy it's going to be for
someone to poison Joran, Paulus & Anita. Yes I'm afraid Anita will have
to go as well, remember she gave birth to the rapist, murdering,
sociopathic coward and she also married the other sociopathic coward so
it would only be fair to the Hollloway's that Anita's miserable life be
snuffed out just like Natalee.

So fuck you & welcome to the killing fields of Aruba, care of Joran,
the 2 Sand niggers, Paulus, Jan van Der Stratten, Dennis Jacobs, Rudy
Croes, Ben King, & Karin the cunt Janssen with the help of Rick Smit and
Dum pig.

Nice huh? and this is hardly the worst.

[Skye]

I am interested in what seems like illegal activity on her's or someone in her camps part for making threats. That IS illegal. You know that, right Skye?

Posted by: Robin Tyra | Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 11:13 PM

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Everyone knows that threats are illegal, Robin.
Beth has not threatened anybody. And she does not have a "camp". She also does not have a posse as some people are so fond of saying.

Natalee was not a "big woman" and she was 18 years old not 19. The Natalee was an adult and Joran a child card based on a couple of months prior to his birthday does not work to excuse his actions.

I dont know what pictures you are viewing but there is no way Natalee could have fought all three of them off and survived. She did not have the necessary training to accomplish that. Joran is 13 inches taller than Natalee. If she looks large to you , Joran must look like a giant.

[Skye]

As you know Scubajab, there are all kinds of people in the world. People are outraged and believe he is guilty. My point is , Beth is not responsible for the actions of those people that write letters like that.

[Also_Dutch]

As you know Scubajab, there are all kinds of people in the world. People are outraged and believe he is guilty. My point is , Beth is not responsible for the actions of those people that write letters like that.

Posted by: Skye | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 01:06 AM

I am sorry, but I disagree. Beth is responsible for actions of people who write treath letters! She is the one who calls people rapists, gang bangers and murderers without having a shred of evidence. She has lied more times than Joran has been accused of. She never gave out a statement saying that she doesn't approve of what Joe M. has been saying in the NE. Joe M. is one of the causes people write those letters. Beth's silence on this subject makes her guilty.

[Myth]

Skye

I think you missed the point, You ask for proof of threats, you accused Joran using it for attention or sympathy. Scubajab has given you one. Also, don't you remember Joe M. he hangs out with Beth and he is publicly stated he wants revenge not justice, and Beth has stated she agreed with him. The problem she is responsible, she has gone on tv night after night and called Joran and the Kalpoes rapest and murders. She has caused the problem with her actions. Plus she doesn't seem to care if they are innocent or not. Remember there is no proof that they did anything yet, there is no proof she is even dead. What ever you think innocent or not J2K are aloud a right to a trial by the courts, not in the media. They have been found guilty and people want Justice, with out actual evidence, or a trial because Beth has done the things she has done. So if something does happen to any of the boys it is her fault. Plus what if it turns out they are innocent, then what. Do the Van der Sloots and Kalpoes get to act and do the same things she has.

[truthbetold]

Trust me this cock sucker won't be safe even if he had the whole
Dutch army protecting him. Do you know how easy it's going to be for
someone to poison Joran, Paulus & Anita. Yes I'm afraid Anita will have
to go as well, remember she gave birth to the rapist, murdering,
sociopathic coward and she also married the other sociopathic coward so
it would only be fair to the Hollloway's that Anita's miserable life be
snuffed out just like Natalee.

So fuck you & welcome to the killing fields of Aruba, care of Joran,
the 2 Sand niggers, Paulus, Jan van Der Stratten, Dennis Jacobs, Rudy
Croes, Ben King, & Karin the cunt Janssen with the help of Rick Smit and
Dum pig.

Nice huh? and this is hardly the worst.

Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 12:47 AM

good lord....what in the world is wrong with people? I have been made angry over cases in the news but not to this point of insane babbling.......you know what? maybe there is half a chance the 3 boys killed her and dumped her in the ocean - we'll never know - but I don't think so and no matter what the case nobody will ever convince me there is not something very fishy with beth and the twittys and those kids from mb - they have proved that again and again with their actions and beth has just gone beyond my sympathy with her lying all the time and her pr stunts for cameras and her associating with people like joe m and jossy - I mean come on what mom acts like that?

[Alan]

As you know Scubajab, there are all kinds of people in the world. People are outraged and believe he is guilty. My point is , Beth is not responsible for the actions of those people that write letters like that.

Posted by: Skye | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 01:06 AM

Look at blogsites like Michelle's Aruban boycott site where she clearly says that she is working with the Twittys (earlier she also had Joe Mammana's name but for some reason she removed it) in order to promote evrything negative about Aruba . If this is not a hate campaign then what else is it ? Beth has never denied that she is involved in such activity. Regardless of all the sympathy and empathy she deserves its obvious that she is full of vengeance and malice against anything Aruban. No one can dispute that fact. Contrast this with the demeanor of John Q Kelly when he appears on TV and hiring him and letting him do the PR is probably the best thing Beth has done for this case. Even John Q Kelly avoided the question of JVDS being called a rapist , on Greta last night , because he knows very well that it is a figment of Beth's imagination. If consensual kissing and cuddling with a girl in a car is
rape then the sun might as well stop shining suddenly. Even the MB kids' statements on media confirm that Natalee left with Joran on her own will and also that she was in a sober enough state to converse and communicate normally. They have also stated that Joran did not flirt with Natalee and wasnt eyeing her or anything. The decision to go out with him was TOTALLY CONSENSUAL. Yes there is a fair chance that those 3 guys murdered her and disposed her body off but there is an equal if not greater chance that they are innocent and should be treated so until proven guilty. The way Beth thinks would lead her to justice is misleading. If she is not happy with the investigation she should go thru the proper channel , sue ALE maybe and not go on TV accusing people on the basis of baseless 'facts and evidence'. IMHO Beth is totally responsible for this PR campaign against Aruba and the suspects and their families in particular and is totally unjustified. Those who dont mind to think a little bit certainly see this point . What Beth should do is leave the talking to JQK who apparently is quite satisfied with the current state of investigation and is in regular touch with the ALE and is hopeful of results. Pointing fingers and breeding hatred wont help anybody and I am sure a girl like Natalee would be ashamed and disgusted towards her mom if she is found when she gets to know this.
Lets hope the best for Natalee and spend the time and effort in praying for her rather than preying on Aruba.

[yankee-in-france]

Excellent post, Alan!

[brownalmostblackman]

She, Beth, stated her daughter worked her tail off to deserve that trip to Aruba. Well, when she got there, the "boys" did the same thing. I think Beth has more answers than questions. It appears she is holding back something that could make this case fizzle and therefore lose the limelight she currently enjoys. Hasn't she had a face to face with Joran already? What about Deepak and the interview at the Internet Cafe? Yes it's sad that she lost her daughter, but I don't believe her anymore. Something in that head is not being let loose. I wonder when she will get Hillary, the squeeling fat pig, so called devoted wife of Bill, fake senator from New York involved? Before the primaries for sure. She's not a stay at home mom either!!!!!

[Sweetie]

Skye, I really don't give a rat's ass what that poster thinks. ;-) Have a good one.

[Freebrid]

Robin I must not be seeing the same pictures you are because Natalee don't look like a big woman who could take on K2 brothers & Joran. She is not a big person... Are you sure we are seeing the same person?

[Skye]

Alan,
Michelle also states clearly on her site that the opinions expressed are NOT those of the Holloway - Twitty family. Meaning the comments posted are Michelle's opinions. Michelle supports a boycott. She is not doing anything any different than the people that post on this site are doing or other sites.

Everyone has chosen a side and they support that side.

Joran said it was "consensual kissing and cuddling". Because he said it does not make it true and probably is not true at all. Natalee is not available to confirm or deny that. But given the facts of the case, it is more believable that three young men taking one young woman from a bar had criminal intentions. Surely you dont entertain for a moment that those 3 men wanted to play patty cake or make mud pies with her on the beach since the first defense any of Joran's fan club spew out is he is a "child".

The MB students said Natalee left with Joran and looked okay. She was seen several minutes later rentering CnC's (and by Deepak's account she went to use the ladies room) at which time she was seen leaving CnC's again with Deepak holding her arm leading her to the car where Joran is seen sitting in the back seat and she appeared unsteady, untalkative and sleepy eyed. This also accounts for the eye witness account that said some saw her leave with Joran and some said it was Deepak because it was both.

Beth is only stating what she believes is true. Everyone else can and has decided for themselves what they believe just as you have, Alan and as I have.
She is not responsible for what anyone else thinks, she does not control anyone's opinion either way, she is not repsponsible for any letters that anyone decides to write and it is not her responsiblilty to say what Joe M or anyone else should or should not do. Beth does not have that kind of power.

[Skye]

So if something does happen to any of the boys it is her fault.
Posted by: Myth | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 02:09 A

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No, it will not be Beth's fault. She does not have that kind of control over anyone.
In application of your logic , if Natalee's remains are found would it be every person that resides on the island of Aruba's fault for what Joran did? Think about that . It is the other side of the coin.

[Alan]

"Michelle also states clearly on her site that the opinions expressed are NOT those of the Holloway - Twitty family."

Skye ,
Michelle says clearly that she is working 'WITH THE Holloway Twitty family ', which Beth hasnt ever denied.Now what does this mean ? Even if she posts a disclaimer like the one you have quoted it is highly likely if not obvious that Beth supports Michelle's hate campaign.

"Beth is only stating what she believes is true."
Thats all that I am saying. But Beth says she KNOWS that the 3 suspects gangraped Natalee (that was said on the Dutch TV interview). She states it as a matter of fact and not as something that she strongly believes which are two very different things and one must be able to distinguish between the two. Expressing your belief as your KNOWLEDGE is not the right thing to do. There is no indication of a criminal act committed on Natalee by the suspects or by anybody else for that matter. Accusing people openly based on gut feeling does nothing but breed hatred , but people who are smart enough can after a while see that it is not justified.

I can see why Beth is doing this. Since she strongly believes that the 3 suspects are guilty she wants to have them charged by hook or by crook and in doing so she is willing to disregard the facts that the basis of her allegations are not evidence but scenarios that she herself imagined. She believes that the truth will come out even if they are charged purely on the basis of suspicion. In doing so she is losing focus on possibly other important aspects that may be relevant to finding the answers.

"Joran said it was "consensual kissing and cuddling". Because he said it does not make it true and probably is not true at all."

You believe that Joran is guilty and therefore are not ready to believe any statement of his . Once a liar always a liar thats what you seem to think. IMHO this is not the logical and right way to think. You can judge the truth or falsehod of a statement on the basis of how it fits with your preexisting ideas , but it that isnt rational behavior.Discussions that follow from such inferences would only harm the speaker's credibility.

I have absolutely no problem with Beth saying that she is highly suspicious of the 3 suspects and strongly believes they are responsible
for Natalee's disapperance (like JQK does) but calling them gang rapists when there is no evidence on and on and on for months will only hurt her credibility and bring her no closer to the answers that she seeks.

[Freebrid]

Consensual kissing and cuddling my ass! Even in Joran's interviews he has a half shit eating grin on his face when ask if he and Natalee had sex that night.... Remember "That is none of your business" then he talks about it was consensual... what was? we all know what he's talking about they had sex.... I will not believe that no young blooded 17 year old guy who has a drunk girl and on a beach gives up a chance of getting what he went there to get in the first place!!!!!!!!!! the only way that would happen is if Joran was gay and according to his girl friends that isn't the case.... his parents let Joran and the 16 year old from Jersey play house for a couple of weeks so theres no telling what else he has done and daddy & mommie let him.... oh and by the way you people always talk about Beth lieing........ what about Joran and K2 brothers, I don't see how there noses are not 50 feet long, liar, liar, pants on fire!!!!!!!!!

[Alan]

'Everyone has chosen a side and they support that side.'

Skye ,
I is not my intention to offend you but I agree that the above quote of yours does apply to many people who have been following this case and you are one of them. However IMHO thats not rational behavior. Its not important what we think but rather what is true. I can understand its difficult not to choose a side if you have ties with families on either 'side' . I guess its more important to choose between logic and emotions rather than choosing a 'side' which as I already said is not always easy but we must try.
Do you think I am on Joran side ? Absolutely not . I am on neither side and believe justice must be served based on facts and evidence and not mere speculation. Empathy and logic have to be tried to be separated as much as possible.
Praying for justice ,
Alan

[Alan]

"Consensual kissing and cuddling my ass! "
wow thats enticing Freebird

[truthinplainsight]

Tough to say consensual with one of the parties never to be heard from again...

Deepak knows the truth...

[Alan]

"I will not believe that no young blooded 17 year old guy who has a drunk girl and on a beach gives up a chance of getting what he went there to get in the first place!"

Freebird it doesnt matter what you believe or I believe but how does this make the 3 guys gangrapists ? How do you conclude that ?

[truthinplainsight]

One rapist (Joran), one murderer (Deepak), one obstruction of justice (Satish) if there is such a charge in Aruba!

[Alan]

its curious to see that you think Deepak is the murderer . Why do you think so ?

[truthinplainsight]

He didn't give his buddy a ride home after Joran called him for one and he went back out, leaving his brother Satish at home...

[Alan]

"He didn't give his buddy a ride home after Joran called him for one and he went back out, leaving his brother Satish at home..."

Just for a moment let me believe you on that even without eveidence. Why would Deepak go back and kill Natalee.

It seems much more probable that Joran raped AND killed her

[DoorMart]

Ahh the Beth Bashing continues.....

Funny the Beth Bashers never look at the conduct of the Arube govt...who is directly involved in Natalee's disappearance

Amazing that the 2 black security guards are still considered SUSPECTS! That Happy Island sure is a racist one. I guess they are not happy that a white woman from Bama put a major crimp in framing two innocent black men to cover up for their buddies Joran and Paul Van Der Sloot

I wonder how much Steve Cohen had to pay ABC for the VDS interviews on Good Morning Aruba....er America.

Aruba isnt even worth taking a dump in their sewer system. That place is corrupt and evil....and unfortunately there are still enough dumb Americans that are willing to side w the Arubes (probably the same people who think Jimmy Carter was a great President)

[truthinplainsight]

Joran and Natalee used Deepak for a ride that night and may have even upset the young man with a few comments. They were obviously in the back seat of his car having what Joran calls consensual contact and it probably made Deepak even more upset seeing the action. Drops them off at the beach, takes the brother home, Joran says he calls him for a ride, doesn't pick him up, Satish's attorney says that Satish is not an alibi for Deepak being at home that night after being dropped off...where did he go when he left the house?

[Robin Tyra]

Everyone knows that threats are illegal, Robin.
Beth has not threatened anybody. And she does not have a "camp". She also does not have a posse as some people are so fond of saying.

Natalee was not a "big woman" and she was 18 years old not 19. The Natalee was an adult and Joran a child card based on a couple of months prior to his birthday does not work to excuse his actions.

I dont know what pictures you are viewing but there is no way Natalee could have fought all three of them off and survived. She did not have the necessary training to accomplish that. Joran is 13 inches taller than Natalee. If she looks large to you , Joran must look like a giant.

Posted by: Skye | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 12:56 AM

How DO YOU KNOW that Beth hasn't threatened anyone? How could you know? And again, Natalee looks large, quite large IMO. She was a motorcycle riding strong girl. She does NOT look like at 5'4, as weighing. 110 lbs. That was spun by the Beth camp in order to further the notion that Natalee was a helpless child. She looks much more likely to have weighed around 140-145. But it doesn't sound good to say that a big healthy near 19 year old WOMAN left voluntarily with 3 guys she'd just met. That doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound good that she was partying and got kicked out of her hotel.(They were asked NOT to ever return.) Beth keeps calling her and the MB kids "naive" and "children." The fact is that she and her friends could have drunk any frat dudes right under the table.

Naive, not.

[Robin Tyra]

"Consensual kissing and cuddling my ass! "
wow thats enticing Freebird

Posted by: Alan | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 02:47 PM

What else can people conclude?? She didn't leave to get a snack. Why did she leave with them?

[Alan]

truthinplainsight you are a great fiction writer !

[Robin Tyra]

truthinplainsight you are a great fiction writer !

Posted by: Alan | Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 04:03 PM

Yes, the Bethians are great writers of fiction. The best was when Beth told Fox that Natalee thought she "was getting into an Aruban cab with an Aruban cab driver." This morning I thought I was Jessica Simpson, instead of my 43 year old self. I really did.

[Rob]

"What else can people conclude?? She didn't leave to get a snack. Why did she leave with them?"

People leave from bars they hang out ,cuddle, even have sex but would you call that rape ? If yes then every Saturday night there are countless rapes in campuses across this country out in the open

[Robin Tyra]

No, I wouldn't call it rape at all, Rob. So why does Beth call Joran and the K brothers rapists?

No proof. None at all. Spliced Dr. Phil tapes don't count, sorry.

[Robin Tyra]

Beth has written a conclusion to a mystery and sold it as truth. GROSSLY unfair. Normally, people do not tolerate such behavior. But Greta and others have enabled this.