Natalee Holloway Investigation Continues

It's being reported that new leads, possibly from a friend of Joran Van Der Sloot are behind recent searches by a light house which was previously a site of interest in the Natalee Holloway case. And that cadaver dogs will be brought in.

Additionally, reports suggest Aruban authorties may be looking for information on other individuals who were at Carlos and Charlies the night Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Details here.

Comments

[26ANDCOUNTING]

Dan - Why isn't the rest of the world being held up to the same standards as Aruba in regards to a boycott?

[ViVi]

Sounds like it could be important. I hope it is this time. Did you see the 200 photo flikr stream that was linked to the MSNBC article? wow.

[Cindi in PA]

The first pictures from the inside of Carlos and Charlies has always bothered me. Remember the pictures of the guys standing at the bar staring up at the stage. The guy on the right, who almost fits the description of JV still haunts me today.

[26ANDCOUNTING]

Posted by: Cindi in PA | Friday, January 27, 2006 at 12:43 AM

Perverts in bars is nothing new.. Probably had a great view of the girls thongs!! What do you expect? There is drinking involved.. You have never seen a creepy guy in a bar before?

[Justice4All]

I wonder if these pictures include any of the guys that had tickle sites that were explored here are the beginning of this case, didn't they have reference to "pimps". Interesting...

[Cindi in PA]

You have never seen a creepy guy in a bar before?

Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Friday, January 27, 2006 at 12:51 AM

Sure have. That is where I learned the art of humiliation ;)

[Sgt. York]

I would have spoken to all JVS's frineds and all the other kids in his school and asked them, "Where would YOU dispose of a body?" Chances are, 7 out of 10 would name the same place - and that's like the correct place.

[TJ]

Subject: lying by Francis Ellen Byrd
Excellent post by RstJ on BHS:

Really, when you look back on it, nobody other than Alana Jordan (sic!) in her various postings has stated that Natalee didn't return to the hotel. Byrd did the same thing Beth always does when asked about Natalee's bed being slept in (why was Byrd asked this but not McVay?) -- she answered a different question. And Beth has always fallen back on some crap about video cameras to prove Natalee didn't make it back, even though the logical route from the beach to her room was not covered by any cameras, and the tape Beth *did* look at is of the casino, not the HI entrance.

Why didn't someone, anyone, simply say "Natalee's friends were questioned and none of them saw Natalee at the hotel that night."?

It's Byrd whose statements have been inconsistent. First she tries to claim she'd already left before Natalee did (which is the same as McVay's story), then all of a sudden it turns out that no, she was at CnCs when Natalee left. She claims that Joran first met Natalee the very night she vanished. But McVay made it clear that the blackjack table meeting was Sat. not Sun. night, and now we hear Joran had been befriending the kids for two days. And, of course, Byrd gives the completely screwy answer "she was the first one up" when the answer should have been "she never came back to the hotel."

Byrd's lying. She always has been. She is very likely the source for the "black guys stole cameras" rumor, and probably the source for the "one girl even caught a guy in her room stealing." Natalee's phone call is rumored to have been to William Morris, Byrd's boyfriend. If Natalee was hanging around w/some MB guy on that trip, it seems very likely that the two of them would have been hanging around w/Byrd and her boyfriend.

Something is radically f'd-up with her stories, especially when we know that she was out at the airport, before anyone knew Natalee was missing, *telling* people Natalee was not going to make her flight. There is no indication that Byrd ever bothered to ask Natalee's other friends if they'd seen her. There is no indication any search was done for Natalee at the HI. At all.

And, of course, Byrd was the first, original, and most mechanical of the Robokids. Her "shewas a well-loved child" statement sounds absurd. She'd known Natalee since Natalee had moved to Mtn. Brook. Yet she doesn't seem to have done anything at all to help locate her.

But here's the biggest problem of all:

Virginia Page: That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place. Everyone left all at once

Virginia Page=Rufner Page Jr.'s daughter. She goes on to say she'd been close friends w/Natalee since 8th grade.

Natalee's friends were the sons and daughters of some of Alabama's heaviest hitters.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1247&page=3&pp=10

[TJ]

JORAN FACES THE TERROR SQUAD

By DON GENTILE

The three main suspects in the Natalee Holloway mystery face a campaign of terror from an ex-con millionaire who is helping the missing teen's mom. Joe Mammana says he has hired seven "associates' to put the fear of God into Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot, and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish — the last men seen with Natalee before she vanished in Aruba eight months ago. "We want them to confess — tell us what actually happened to Natalee. Is she dead or alive?" said Mammana's spokesman Jim Merrick.

"If you put enough pressure on them, one of them will break." To emphasize his plan, Mammana, wearing a set of brass knuckles and wielding a baseball bat, posed for a photo in front of a poster that read: "It's not about justice. It's about revenge."

He said: "I want the cowardly punks who hurt Natalee to know they still have me to contend with."

Read the rest of this article when you pick up The National Enquirer — on newsstands now

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63345

[TJ]

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1261

Family investigations are a huge, waving red flag. Petersons did one, the sole purpose of which was to pick off tips and not pass them to LE. The Gattis' did one, but now we find out Dr. Gattis was probably sleeping w/Tara Grinstead. Jennifer Hagel-Smith is doing one, and she sure looks guilty as hell. Family investigators don't go out looking because they want to find out what happened--they do it because they want to find out how much people know. Beth certainly seems to have been flitting around doing her own investigation from Day One. She talks to Croes (apparently w/no one else present). She talks to the maid, the HI reception desk. She goes on some mysterious trip to the north part of the island (with Croes?). She, Jug, and Renfro go chasing off after a tip putting Natalee in a crack house, yet do not appear to have shared this information w/ALE. They hire AJ Ward, fraudmeister. They (or Dr. Phil) hire Skeeters, fraudmeister. They (well, Jossy, actually) hire Art Wood, fraudmeister. They get Equusearch involved, fraudmeisters and drunken idiots. Beth goes up (again, alone of the posse) with Greta to confront the Van der Sloots, probably a bit more of a TV op there. She (again, alone) goes to confront Deepak. The entire time Beth is conducting this flying circus investigation, tossing up piles of totally bogus clues that she had to know were worthless. How morally corrupt do you have to be to pimp an obviously fabricated audiotape? Who does stuff like this?

The only similar case I can recall is JonBenet, where the DNA should have exonerated her parents immediately, but a completely dishonest cop named Steve Thomas spent a year trying to pin the crime on them anyway; all the while refusing outside aid and prefering to listen to tabloid reporters. Beth and her crew remind me of him--spinning crazy stories with no evidence whatsoever other than what crapmeisters like Jossy dig up. I think there's a couple pieces of real evidence in this case that exonerate Joran, and that this evidence is being suppressed because everyone, Beth and ALE combined, has determined that this must be K2J. Everyone, that is, except actual judges, who aren't impressed.

I think the key is that call. I think Beth hid it. I think that's why we were religiously informed that Natalee's phone had been found in her hotel room (obviously if she didn't have a phone, she couldn't have called, right?). I think that's why K2J must have set their computers back. I think that's why Beth was so sure Natalee had been at VDS house. I think that's why Jossy's gardener witness had to have seen K2J at 2:30am. I think that's why Paulus had to have picked Joran up at 4am (even if that made no sense in the context of Joran having been at his house). And I think that's why Croes came out on that interview w/Greta. He figured out from following the investigation that K2J were alibi'd *before* that call, and I think that's why he had a falling out w/the Twittys: because he figured out they hadn't told anyone about that call. They probably told him to keep it to himself so as not to harm the investigation. I think they lied and said they'd already informed the police.

And I think this is why Beth has always been terrified that ALE will talk to those kids. Because I don't think that was the only call Natalee made that night.
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Beth tipped them just like she did the media in TN. And for her to know, someone in the FBI had to have tipped her despite Zicarelli's contention otherwise. ALE and the Twits are not on exactly the greatest of terms so I think we can rule them out for the leak. Beth wanted to get word to the MB students that are attending UT and elsewhere. Maybe now we know why Beth and company have been screaming for the FBI to be more involved. Eventhough the Caribbean liasons and Aruba based FBI agents had been, there was no communication with the Birmingham office which was the Twits source of information. I think Zicarelli is the source of the leaks.

This is beyond belief! Beth is actively intefering with the investigation even here in the US and continuing to spread misinformation. Of course UT knows nothing about these interviews because they aren't being conducted at UT schools. The investigators are going to Vanderbilt and they're going there because of Virgina Page, whose story about "not seeing Natalee" for that last hour are a transparent lie. Page is Rufner's daughter, and George works, ultimately, for Rufner. I bet George Twitty is sweating worse than Paulus ever did. If the idea crosses Rufner's mind that Beth's stupidity put his daughter on the hot seat, George will need to be thinking about selling that house of his. He's done in Mtn. Brook.

The rumor on various boards, unsubstantiated but persistent, is that Natalee died of a drug overdose in the suite Virginia Page and her friends were using. I dismissed it as so much speculation at the time. Now I'm not so sure.

I agree about Zicaraelli. I think he's Good Old Boy from down south and that he played softball w/the MB kids on the initial interviews. The Twittys wanted Birmingham FBI involved in this, not Caribbean FBI, which was running the case.

These kids are not going to be able to hold together if they're guilty. If Natalee returned to the hotel and died there, it's eventually going to come out. I think our old pal "Poom-Poom" over at the dump saw what really happened to Natalee Holloway's remains.

JOE HUSTON, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:
We went out there and checked it out today. We have two different spots we need to look at. Some of the information the individual gave us turned out to be correct, from the standpoint of towels and other pass keys that were found in the same location.

Towels and pass keys can only be one thing: hotel garbage.

Late July:

The pond episode, however, gave Beth the cover she needed to begin a simultaneous excavation at a landfill behind the airport. Wood had been sent to interview a homeless man named Poom Poom, who was hounding police with a tale of seeing a woman's body in the landfill. Beth wasn't sure whether to believe the story until T. J. Ward announced Poom Poom had passed a lie-detector test. "T.J. looked me in the face and said, 'Beth, he's telling the truth,'" Beth says. "That's what sent all the people to the dump!"

Oh boy! Why did Beth need "cover" to search the landfill?

In late July, the Twittys fled Aruba w/o telling anyone. Their goal was to talk to those kids. Natalee's body being spotted in a landfill near towels and keycards could only mean one thing.
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124 people have done a damn good job of it the past few months, at least since the Iron Curtain descended . . .

Actually, they've done a lousy job of it, showing only that someone has been trying to silence them. Reynolds extremely curious interview about a scuffle w/Joran, Alana Jordan's unconcious giving away of the location of the room Natalee normally stayed in (not the room Beth showed Greta), Byrd's non-sequiter answer to the simple question of whether Natalee's bed had been slept in, McVay (and Byrd's) insistence that Natalee didn't know Joran, Fierman and Weatherly's report that they weren't even aware anything was wrong until Byrd tracked them down in the airport. None of this was ever followed up on and now nobody but nobody will talk. I mean, they might as well get t-shirts saying "we know what happened to Natalee, but we're not saying."

The papers have talked extensively about ALE going to Tennessee to conduct interviews. They've tried to make it sound like they're heading to UT, but they aren't. They're going to Vanderbilt. Two of Natalee's closest friends are there--Sarah Allen and Virginia Page. When interviewed, Page had this to say:

“Cell phones didn’t work,” Page said.

Nobody asked her about cellphones in that interview.
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[annie]

Some really good postings TJ. I, also, think there has been some lying going on with the MB kids, and they ought to be made to take lie detector tests, - that would concentrate their minds!! If, Natalee had been involved in drugs and had died like you speculate, then it is understandable why they would lie. What a scandal, that would be. To their credit, the girls have not tried to paint Joran as some kind of predator, like Beth Twitty wants him portrayed.

However, if we are still going with the strong possibility that Natalee is dead (though there is really no evidence for this), then I can't see why, (given the Vanity Fair article which mentions a jogger that was some kind of rapist/murderer, and disappeared for a while after Natalee went missing), the jogger is not be the main suspect, given that he appears to have been out and about in the same area, and around the same time that Natalee went missing. Even if somebody gave him an alibi, so what! if it was a wife or girlfriend or relative, I would still be very suspicious, yet this Dompig guy still seems fixated on Joran and Co. Is this just to comply with what Beth Holloway wants, and he is in some way being dominated by her, or is he just lacking in imagination.

Why they keep on searching the sand dunes does not make sense either, because I can't see how anybody would stand around a beach at night, with apparently other people around, digging a grave. Isn't it much more likely that if somebody had killed her, the obvious place would be to pull her body up under the foliage and secrete her there, in which case the dogs may be able to pick up on that. If Natalee was left on the beach like Joran says she wanted to be, it is also possible that she went, or was taken to another beach, and I hope the searchers thoroughly search all the beaches, under the foliage, before concentrating on the sand dunes or the sea.

[Randee]

THERE IS SOMETHING DEFINATELY NOT RIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THIS ..I BELEIVE THAT THERE IS A HUGE COVERUP ..JORAN ..BROTHERS ..THE FATHER OF JORAN ..THE MOTHER ..MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED AND THEY ALL KNOW SOMETHING AND JUST NOT TALKING. WHEN I SAW THE INTERVIEW WITH GRETTA VAN SUSTERAN ..INTERVIEWING THE FATHER AND THE MOTHER ..SOMETHING VERY STRANGE THERE ..I SENSED THE MOTHER KNEW SOMETHING AND WAS FULL OF FEAR TO REVEAL IT. I ALSO SENSE THAT THE FATHER IS DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THIS ..I THINK THAT PERHAPS THE FATHER AND JORAN LIVE A SEPARATE LIFE / DEEP SECRETS FROM THE MOTHER .HOWEVER ..SHE DOES SUSPECT SOMETHING ..PROBABLY TOO HORRIFIED TO EVEN THINK PERHAPS THIS IS TRUE? I NEVER SAW HER AGAIN AFTER THAT ONE INTERVIEW ..I FEEL THAT IF YOU INTERVIEWED HER ALONE ..PERHAPS YOU MAY GET SOME INFORMATION? ARUBA ..SO CORRUPT ..MANY DARK SECRETS ..A TOWN WITHOUT PITY I CALL IT .. I ALSO THINK THE BROTHERS ARE INVOLVED ALONG WITH JORAN ..IF NOT DIRECTLY , THEY CERTAINLY KNOW SOMETHING AND NOT REVEALING. MY HEART GOES OUT TO ((( MOM ))) AND ((( FAMILY )))) )O: HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO PRIVATELY HIRING A PSYCHIC TO HELP YOU FIND SOME ANSWERS? DONT' DISREGARD IT PLZ ..THERE ARE MANY WITH THIS SPECIAL GIFT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO "be there" IN ARUBA TO SEE IN THEIR MINDS EYE ..WHERE ((( NATALIE ))) IS. WHEN I SAW JORAN BEING INTERVIEWED BY GRETTA ..A PART OF ME THOUGHT ..HMM .PERHAPS HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH .?? HOWEVER ..THE OTHER PART WAS SAYING ..PERHAPS THIS IS VERY WELL REHEARSHED ..AS I'M SURE BETWEEN HIS CORUPT FATHER AND THE REST OF THEM , TOLD HIM TO DO THIS INTERVIEW TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ..HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE. SO VERY FRUSTRATING AND MY PRAYERS REMAIN WITH THE FAMILY OF NATALIE ..GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MAY WE FIND SOMEONE ..AN EARTH ANGEL ..TO COME FORTH AND LET US KNOW ..WHERE NATALIE IS!!!