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This evening I thought I would do a recap of the latest news out of Aruba from last evening through today. First, the sand dune search has turned up nothing, despite rumors of a ... [Read More]

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please don't give up on Natalee, someone needes to find this girl. how can a parent just live life knowing her and his child is out there, and no way to find her? can you imagine that being our child? I know its been 8 months, and thats even more reason to keep trying. It breaks my heart to hear they may give up. There has to be ways to find this girl,and giving up should never be the answer. If we don't support her search and look, then we gave up on a life. a childs life. this family isn't looking for sympathy they are begging for help to find Natalee, and to find what happened to her. can't we be more help to keep going forward in the search?

can't we be more help to keep going forward in the search?

I appreciate your compassion and if there were any solid information on where to start, I'd support it 100%. Unfortunately what has always been lacking is solid information in this case.

I notice with great interest 2 very revealing points. Beth's "management" of the funds which many have known long ago while others claimed she has no control over their usage and more importantly counter to Miller's persistence in the media claiming that Dompig has told him to search in that location for that reason. Dompig clearly states he has not invited him nor has he told him where to search.

Dompig clearly states he has not invited him nor has he told him where to search.

Posted by: Robert Smith | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:13 PM

I disagree with your 2nd point about Dompig. In the artcle it says 'the area to be searched is a confirmed place of interest according to Dompig.'

Wait, wasn't the PM of Aruba the one who had requested the help of ES/Tim Miller and Florida?

Wait, wasn't the PM of Aruba the one who had requested the help of ES/Tim Miller and Florida?

Posted by: Justice4All | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:23 PM

NO, not this go round. Oduber requested the help for a search in July. This current search was not. It was an error people got after doing a google search and mixing up the two as one thing.

I do not support a boycott.... Uhmmm

Scuba, did you interviewed the right Tim Miller or was it a Tim Miller with his black-soda... johnny walker talking?

Do we have a link of when he said on National Television that he supported a boycott of the island of Aruba?

The P.M. did ask for help but from the Florida University. Tim Miller is not to be trusted, not even with turtle eggs, LOL.

A special unit of Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice has been asked to assist with search and recovery efforts in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. The Underwater Crime Scene Investigation (UCSI) program, based at FSU's Panama City campus, received the request for assistance from the Prime Minister Mr. Nelson Oduber of Aruba and the Texas EquuSearch Team, a non-profit organization that has been involved in the search.

The team of four experts traveling to Aruba includes Dale Nute, a forensic scientist with over 40 years of experience; Mike Zinzser, diving safety officer, director of the Advanced Science Diving Program and U.S. Navy diver (retired); Mark Feulner, underwater archaeologist and technology specialist; and Dan Walsh, Coast Guard diver (retired) and dive engineer. The team will be utilizing their side-scan sonar and a remote operated vehicle.

The Florida State University Panama City UCSI program is the only academic-based program of its kind in the United States. The team has been involved in numerous recovery efforts. In 2004, team members assisted Escambia County officials with the identification of potential vehicles and victims in Escambia Bay as the result of Hurricane Ivan and the I-10 bridge collapse. They have also assisted other law enforcement agencies with recovery of evidence and victims. In 2005, the team was involved with several murder investigations.

Dompig clearly states he has not invited him nor has he told him where to search.

Posted by: Robert Smith | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:13 PM

I disagree with your 2nd point about Dompig. In the artcle it says 'the area to be searched is a confirmed place of interest according to Dompig.'

Posted by: wreck | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:18 PM

No Dompig is quite clear. He has not requested THIS search nor HAD he suggested it. Counter to Miller's claims since December about Dompig telling him he thinks she is dumped in a fish trap in that location.Dompig from the outset that there never has been a fish trap stolen. Also the article does not say 'the area to be searched is a confirmed place of interest according to Dompig.' It says "this is also a place of interest" Dompig confirmed. He is confirming that it is ALSO a place of interest. Not a confirmed place of interest. Just another place of interest as is everywhere on the Island and in the water around it.

I agreed with you that Dompig does not endorse this search. But he DID say this IS a place of interest. I did not say the ONLY place of interest. Get over it. No harm in exhausting any possible leads or possibilities. Aruba is not paying for it -- what are you afraid of?

Posted by: MF | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:32 PM

Hey MF, how are you doing. I think he was pretty straight at the time.
Mi no ta haci. un otro amiga.

I agreed with you that Dompig does not endorse this search. But he DID say this IS a place of interest. I did not say the ONLY place of interest. Get over it. No harm in exhausting any possible leads or possibilities. Aruba is not paying for it -- what are you afraid of?

Posted by: wreck | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:58 PM

I do not appreciate you making things up ala Tim Miller. Once again. Is ALSO a place of interest. If you do not know what that means, then tough luck for you.

do not appreciate you making things up ala Tim Miller. Once again. Is ALSO a place of interest. If you do not know what that means, then tough luck for you.

Posted by: Robert Smith | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 09:05 PM
What are you babbling about? It says "a" place of interest not "the" place of intereset. It is "A" place of interest.

do not appreciate you making things up ala Tim Miller. Once again. Is ALSO a place of interest. If you do not know what that means, then tough luck for you.

Posted by: Robert Smith | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 09:05 PM
What are you babbling about? It says "a" place of interest not "the" place of intereset. It is "A" place of interest.

Posted by: wreck | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 09:09 PM

No it does not. What an odd thing you persist in doing, making things up. It is says: the area...as described..."This is also a place of interest" Dompig confirmed. The reason for this is ALSO is because Dompig has not vetted it. Also means in polite terminology, Miller is drunk again and begging for money. Dompig cannot say it is not a place of interest. But he and I know it is not, because no fish traps were ever reported stolen in the first place. Miller's sales pitch has been since December that Dompig told him he thinks she is in a fish trap and dropped out there at that depth. All this is simply false. No fish trap was stolen he never told Miller anything of the sort, he has not asked for this area to be searched and he has not asked Miller to search period. Instead of saying all that he being the polite and experienced office of law, simply says the area is also a place of interest, simply to amuse you and Tim Miller where as now explained to you the sole reason for this search is pure fantasy.

Greta on Fox news tonight is reporting that officers are looking for Natalee Holloway on another Island-carribean? Would be wonderful if she is alive!

Well, Robert Smith, you have made it very clear and understandable that Tim Miller is just on Aruba for fund-raising. He has been on US TV for the last few days if not weeks, stating that Dompig told him that there was a fish trap stolen, when I remember that was ART WOOD's find and later dismissed by the fisherman himself. Also, props of interest include Artwood finds -- the landfill guy who witnessed a Palm Tree being disposed of by some locals, to, with a bit of help, a naked girl being disposed of with her hair blowing in the wind being disposed of by not only the trio, but Paulus and Karin Jansen. Then there is the Belt that Artwood found and tried to get Fred Golba to say he found it. Then there is the gardener whose story is the most ridiculos of all with dominos falling down one after the other...

Hey MF, how are you doing. I think he was pretty straight at the time.
Mi no ta haci. un otro amiga.


Posted by: Scubajap | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 08:59 PM

Okidoki dushi.

Shall we go to Barbados too?

So, do you know there is another blog that is invite only? I stumbled on it accidently on the 12th,http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/01/natalee_hollowa_2.html#comments

Tried to get on but no go.

Well yesterday they were searching teh dunes again they had more then 50 officers from a what they called a very credible source, then Bam all of a sudden another tips comes out of know where they stop digging at the dunes and the detectives are off to some mystery island ..I certainly wont get my hopes up on that tip, Always seems to me when they start a search something interupts them and they leave that search ...

What are you babbling about? It says "a" place of interest not "the" place of intereset. It is "A" place of interest.
Posted by: wreck | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 09:09 PM

You do have a way of gradually changing what was really said. So indeed, if you feel like quoting someone do it verbatim.

sigh......it would be great if they could find her alive or at least her remains but in the water after all this time....very iffy.......I don't think there needs to be a huge deal over whether Dompig said he invited searchers or not - I think if he is being careful with Texas ES it is because of the fiascos of the past and them just going to peoples homes univited and banging on the door wanting to search and of course with a news camera in tow - I don't think he is saying he does not want their help - I think he is saying he is not going to put up with the circus they had before and good for him - he shouldn't. i think it s high time someone stood up to Beth and the antics she has pulled

Why this blog continues to have people post under so many names is beyond me. It has become a big cesspool of liars. Its a good laugh anyway if you need one every now and then. HAHAHAHA.


Was reading and saw this post and others from Anchor/aka HotCrossBuns
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It is sometimes hard to "shift gears" between 10 different trannies at the same time.

Posted by: HotCrossBuns | Wednesday, January 18, 2006 at 03:25 AM
________________
This person should take their own advice. SHALEY aka...Anchor. HA, you are busted. You will have to get a new nic now to add to all the rest. Hope you can keep up with them all.
Going away for a while. Xhusband died.
You are one sick sick person. Get back on your medications and soon.
Does the nut house know you escaped.
Why do you lie to folks all the time and talk about your personal problems that you do not really have. All these fools you have sucked in is unreal.
The only personal problems you have is being a liar. Do you need attention that bad. Poor poor pitiful you. Funeral my ass. Why do you make a fool out of so many people making them beleive your bullcrap. You are a very ill person. Get help now. La la land is waiting for you.

Dan,
I'm glad to see you're still covering this story. I hope there will be some resolution in this case so the family can have some closure, one way or another.

love the link to the blog comment about the FBI and the the students!!!LOL talk about fake journalism...maybe we should make up a name for all the "new" source's!!Lets just call it bloggeroll...what a piece of trash...please refrain from lumping journalists and bloggers in the same category because there is no way to compare the 2 ....not even close

how do we know the kids are full of shit or the names are bullshit? at this point we need to exhaust every possibility.

Sue, you are such a lowlife; ...and you are a mother??? such a pity for your kids....

Miller is there for the funding. TES seems to have quite a deficit (booze? hookers? personal expenses?)Jossy Mansur helps him by disinformation and sleezy leads. It is quite disgusting.

Weren't they going to go back to the MB students to verify a timeline of the 3 that were once suspects,now removed? I recall that the voluntary re-questioning around Christmas time in Aruba for the 3 that were once suspects, was declined by the attorneys, was prompted by the timeline problems stated by the 3 suspects once removed?

Just my thoughts...

http://www.freedomofblog.com/view_topic.php?id=78&forum_id=29&page=3

There is now confirmation that two ALE officials have gone to Barbados, where the F.B.I. office for the Caribbean area is located. This in connection with the re-interviewing and gathering of some information from the F.B.I. They will ask also for more cooperation from the F.B.I.
Last edited on Wed Jan 18th, 2006 01:48 pm by MF

This circus will go on and on because of You people...
bs ting day and night over a common missing persons case...
You know nothing , no evidence, no suspects, no body, all you have is nothing....still you pretend to know everything, what a bunch of losers, look for a job, educate your kids, paint your house, wash your car, clean your garden, look for a partner, lose all that overweight, go to the gym, walk ten miles a day.... all this you can do , much better than sit on your fat ass day and night talking about nothing......

To all You losers;
*AMERICANS TRYING TO HELP ARUBA, STOP IT , YOU ARE ONLY HELPING BETH BY KEEPING THE STORY ALIVE AND MONEY COMING IN.
*DUTCHMEN VOOR JULLIE MACAMBAS, ZORG VOOR NEDERLAND, GENOEG PROBLEMEN DAAR, ARUBA IS STERK, AL DIT BEKVECHTEN, MAAKT
BETH BLIJ, WANT GELD BLIJFT INKOMEN, DANK ZIJ U....
*PA TUR E ARUBIANONAN, CU TA KERE TA SABI BOSO TA, OF TA DEFENDE BOSO TA DEFENDE ARUBA , BOSO CU TA RIBA INTERNET HENTER ORA DI DIA Y ANOCHI, TA BOBO BOSO TA...
DUNANDO E CASO MAS ATENCION, TENE E CASO BIBO BOSO TA JUDANDO BETH PA PLAKA SIGI DRENTA PE. SIGI E CONSEHONAN ARIBA I HASI ALGO CU BO BIDA...
*LATINOS A TODOS UDS QUE PRETENDEN AJUDAR ARUBA EN REALIDAD ESTAN AJUDANDO A BETH CONTINUAR CON ESE CIRCO ASI BETH PUEDE SEGIR GANANDO MAS DINERO...... UN CIRCO SIN PAJASOS NO EXITE... ASI PARA POR FAVOR..... GRACIAS..

james enjoying my pina colada under the palm trees on the sugar white beaches in aruba,
from paradise....007

from paradise....007

Posted by: 007 | Wednesday, January 18, 2006 at 11:28 AM

* Well, I got your point. But hey, it's our time, and we have the right to waste it.

* Niun hende (Arubiano) ta pretende di ta sabi. Hopi di e Arubianonan aki riba ta yuda duna informacion tocante e caso y ta mustra NOS banda di medaya, di loke e Circo Twitty/Holloway y su payasonan ta bin haci y deshaci akinan. Ademas nan ta yuda clarifica algun rumor cu e Circo aki mes ta crea. Hopi di nos ami mes berdad, ta bira un poco emocional, pero hey ta mi CAS ARUBA. Mi ta spera cu ansha e dia cu mi por disfruta di un piña colada atrobe bandi lama.

* Nederlanders hebben ook het recht om zich hier te verdedigen, want men wil Nederland ook als verantwoordelijk stellen voor deze casus. Zij proberen om de Nederlandse wetten
te verklaren voor de vele Amerikaanse "experts" die hier hun "Redneck Doctorate" wil uitoefen. Trouwens, het zijn er maar weinig die voor ons bekommeren, wij zijn maar "hun eilandje", en velen willen liever dat wij maar oprotten. Aruba is niet sterk, wij hebben steeds de hulp van Tante Bea nodig en zij moeten het maar geven ook. Dat is hun boete om ons in het verleden uit te buiten, zich rijk maken van de slavenhandel en kaapvaardij en ons in de armoede te laten stikken.

* Los latinos estan riendose de nuestra desgracia y los que ponen comentarios aqui les gusta lamer el c..l.. de los gringos. No se si sabes del pend... de Simian quien en el comienzo del caso se hizo pasar por brujo y dandoles informacion del mas alla, y hay otro juep... que se llama Rafael Nuñez que no es nadie mas que un "gringo wannabe" quien muy probablemente seria discriminado por los "redneck" cultistas.

Well, in short let us Arubans post here anytime we want, at least we are a bit more polite than you, 007. And judging from the use of your 4 languages, I guess we are a lot smarter than you.

According to Harry Tho, the ALE has gone to Barbados to meet with the FBI. This might explain why the ALE went there (they would need to discuss and go through the legalities of questioning the MB people?):
FBI
..."Currently, the FBI's efforts throughout the Caribbean are handled through our Resident Agency offices located in St. Thomas and St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands, as well as a Legal Attache office in Bridgetown, Barbados. The Bridgetown office has responsibility for thirty-seven islands comprising nine independent nations, three British dependent territories and three French territories and is committed to developing sound working relationships with the respective governments. In fact, the Legal Attache in Bridgetown played a pivotal role in the negotiation and adoption of seven new Extradition Treaties and six new Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties in the past two years."...

Turtle egg-trompin' Tim is on Aruba, trying to get the money, people and equipment (swim fins for horses ain't cheap) so that they can plumb the secrets of underwater Aruba; the Aruban LE is on Barbados trying to get the go-ahead and assistance so that they can plumb the secrets of underwraps Mountain Brook, Alabama.
http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=612.topic

The only "circus" will be on judgement day when the people responsible for Natalee's disappearance and the heartbreak they brought to her Mother, Father, family and friends will finally have their day in front of HE who judges all-and they can dance all the way to the lake of fire...because that's where they are headed.

Posted by: MF | Tuesday, January 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM
Zona bon pa mi!
Bo paga pa ticketsnan?
Hey, kiko ta kiko?
Mi not ting DSL awe. tur dia. hopi hodido.
Mi usa cybercafe

Zona bon pa mi!
Bo paga pa ticketsnan?
Hey, kiko ta kiko?
Mi not ting DSL awe. tur dia. hopi hodido.
Mi usa cybercafe


Posted by: scubajap | Wednesday, January 18, 2006 at 07:28 PM

Un dia, just one day. LOL

Arubawarlock, we are a small group. Very true about your poting.

poting= posting.

Hey, DSL ta bek caba

So, when do you want to go?

of nos por bi na drecha siman so

Am I the only one on here tonight that is upset about that stupid National Sheriff's Association wanting to march 3000 storm troopers onto that tiny island to look for one missing girl, when we have thousands missing in this country? These losers want a free tropical vacation like the Texas equusearch in bred idiots did. They want to go down there and stay in a fancy hotel and eat fancy meals and drink gallons of booze all at the expense of the Aruban people. These sheriff's are a pitiful excuse for Law enforcement. This is just too much.

Hi, Everyone,

I just have time for a quick post. I can't seem to get into typepad for some reason, so I am putting it here, but it really is meant for the test blog.

First of all, I really want to say thank you for all the kind sentiments.
RWV was the first blog I ever posted to, and I will not leave it, but I have been very, very busy, and I do not have time to post all the time.
I did really want to say thank you so much for the kind words, I think very highly of most of you also, there is always bound to be conflicts, and I am tough, I can take it. Much of why you haven't seen me all that much is that it is just a matter of time.

I do want to clear this up though:

b) a young american kid, that went out with his father on a waverunner, they went too far out, but only the father was found. They were staying in the Wyndham. The father was briefly detained and interrogated, but had to be set free, because of lack of evidence. the police here still thinks the parent had something to do with it, because of insurance money. Apparently, the parents (mother and steph-father) took out a hefty Insurance policy on the kid, hsortly before travelling to Aruba.

Both these cases, and the fact that the ALE has solved most of the murder cases of the past 5-6 years, shows that they do know what to do, but the ones they do solve are ussually local murders. The ones that are unsolved are the ones where foreigners are involved.(don't know if that means something, but it is clear).
_________________
"Open Your Mind, Eyes and Ears, And then maybe, just maybe, you will be able to hear, see and perceive the TRUTH"


This is the matter of Max de Vries which was discussed AD NAUSEUM early on in the beginning of the case. There is a lot of rumor around this story, and much of this post is incorrect. Max was not out with his father, his father had died about 14 month before. He was out with what I will assume is the mother's boyfriend. Just about the time that the Kalpoes were released for the first time, the police received a routine inquiry into the details the missing boy from the insurance company and there was a small item in the Amigoe about that. That got blown up into the guy was now in jail for murder and it was all for the insurance; then even beyond that to it was all a scam and they were hiding the boy in Brazil. I had people swear to me they saw it on CNN. Total BS.
All that happened is that the insurance company made an inquiry of the local police. end of story. much craziness insued.

Here is the full story:

http://www.maxtothemillions.com/

just another example of how rumors get accepted as fact.

Please post this on the test blog for the others, I can't seem to get in there for some reason, typepad won't come up on my computer, heaven knows why. So if anyone that can get in is looking at this, let them know.
And thanks again for the support.
I have to go to work now. All of you take care

arubanwarlock,
ABO TA UN BON EHEMPEL DI UN ARUBIANO BOBO, CU NO TA COMPRONDE NADA AUNQUE BO TA BISA CU SI...
LOKE BO TA BISA NO TIN PIA NI CABEZ...

TA BON CU TIN ALGUN ARUBIANO INTELIGENTE MANERA AMI CU SABI DE QUE SE TRATA, MESCOS CU MACAMBA, LATINO Y AMERICANO KEREMI CU TA MASHA HENDE BOBO TIN DEN TUR PAIS, PESEY MES ALGUN SABI TA DOMINA NAN Y HASI LOKE NAN KE CU NAN Y KEREMI SI BO SIGI NAN COMBERSACION BO TA RECONOCE E BOBONAN MESORA...
EHEMPEL SI BO A LESA MI POST Y NO A CONTESTA, MI LO NO POR JAMABO BOBO....LO KISAS BO POR TA DEN E GRUPO CHIQUITO PREVILEGIA....SABI...

JAMES 007....

You can't roller skate in a buffalo heard.

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