Jennifer Ross Murder In Savannah

Updated coverage on the murder convictions here.

I'm not sure why this case hasn't received the media attention you'd think it might. Debutante and college student Jennifer Ross was shot and killed during a robbery in downtown Savannah. The media seems to be taking the angle that crime in Savannah is bad and only now getting any attention because Ross was white. Frankly, that seems like a fair question in this case if you read the story at the link above.

There's also another fair question, this one to be directed at Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue. Perdue called for a boycott of Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case. Frankly, it appears as though Savannah Georgia is a far more dangerous place. If you see the chart it seems their crime numbers are off the charts compared to National averages.

Any chance he'll be calling on the convention industry to stay away? Yeah ... right.

Crime Type                           2004          

Savannah Violent Crimes          1105                                    
Savannah Murders                      23 
Savannah Rapes                         66 
Savannah Robberies                   656 
Savannah Aggravated Assaults    360 

Comments

[wreck]

JMO -- again, I do not agree with any boycott calls, but I think the argument of which place is more dangerous is moot. The Arban boycott was not called solely because Aruba is "dangerous" - but because it was percieved that a serious, competent investigation was not being waged.
People understand a crime problem -- they just want to have confidence that a earnest investigation is trying to solve/deal with it.

[justice4All]

Maybe the Holloway case has nothing to do with white people, could it just be that the factors in the case from day one have alot to do with fueling the case? I think sometimes you have to look beyond white pretty girl and look at the whole picture.

Lets see how long it take Savannah to solve this case.

[Dan]

Unfortunately, I don't believe either argument above holds up at all. Your position would be that one failed investigation, for whatever reason, is unacceptable - yet a long history of violent crime going mostly un-noticed is somehow acceptable and doesn't rise to the level of needing to speak out against it.

That amounts to focusing on one tree while some disease wipes out the entire forest. A convenient perspective for an American in this case, even more specifically a Georgian, perhaps, but it simply doesn't add up.

[justice4All]

Dan what do you think keeps everyone riveted to the Holloway case and not others?

[Dan]

Keep in mind "everyone" today is only about 5% and probably less than there was months ago. I think you have to credit Beth as well as Greta for keeping it in the news - more Beth, now though.

[justice4All]

True the driving force was Greta and still is Beth, I think it was the expanse Media exposure then, but now, I think people on both sides want to see a resolution and want to see where this resolution ends. This case does have the international intrigue of a whodunit novel, too. This is my thoughts only, I can't speak for others, from an emotional stand point, it would be good for the family to have an idea of the what’s and where of Natalee.

BTW I do read your other posts too.

[Boring Skipping Record]

My gosh get of the hapring of the Aruba case.

PITIFUL is that the only way you know how to get hits...tying wverything with Natalee Holloway case.

You are pitiful . . . .

You are a Nag ..are you sure you are not a women?

[Cindi in PA]

You are a Nag ..are you sure you are not a women?

Posted by: Boring Skipping Record | Wednesday, January 11, 2006

You are an ass, are you sure your not a mini pad?

[Brokenrecord]

This guy is a joke ...he posts the same BS over and over again. For months now. Loser. I may be a pad but this guy is a DOUCHE BAG. Leave the Hollaway case alone loser.

[jadensmokes]

Boring Broken Piece of Sh*t Record:

It's kind of like television or radio...if you don't like it, go somewhere else. If you need directions, I will be glad to help.

I first came to Riehl World because of the Holloway case, now I enjoy coming here everyday for a sensible opinion on breaking news.

And, I'm thinking you are the "women" because you are the only one nagging in here.

Get Lost.

[26ANDCOUNTING]

If anyones actually interested in commenting on the article instead of the Natalee Holloway case I don't think that the murder of Jennifer sounded like a mugging. Why would they knock the guy out and shoot the girl? It sounds suspicious to me. I would think the guy is more of a threat then her. Rich, elite princess being introduced to society daughter of very wealthy old money family? I wonder if and who the suspects are..

[TheRealTruth]

There are murders everyday in every state in the US territories. Many are solved and many are not. It does not mean they are perfect murders and that the LE botched all thes unsloved cases. In some instances there is simply not enough leads to go on. Shit happens. No ONE state is better than the other to live in. All are equal.
The case of Natalee Holloway did not happen in the USA. Its quite apparent that this case was covered up from the very start just to cover for a Scumbags son. Its that simple.
The ALE knows what happened and who did and who all was involved but they will never tell.
All that drug money they rake in everyday helped pay for the coverup.
A real scumbag of an Island. Like it or not. That the REAL TRUTH !
Enougn said period !

[Anonymous]

I live in a suburb of Savannah. I wouldn't live in Savannah because of the crime rate. It has always been bad but it is getting worse because the mayor isn't competent enough to figure out what should be done. This was a random mugging. This girl and her friends were walking in a downtown square at 3 am. I go to clubs late at night but we are always in a big group. The squares are pretty far from the downtown party scene, so there wouldn't be many people around at 3 am.

[Spinningrecord]

Jadensmokes Dan is an obsessed muder you know what. It's grotesque how he always seems to find a way to bring Natalee in the case.

SO what if I am a women - is that a bad thing?

PS Dan you are so UGLY too I saw your picture on Court Tv.

Gross gross gross

[sigmund, carl and alfred]

What a tragic story- 19 years old- and murdered for what?

The article said Savannah gets 6 million visitors a year. Those are world class numbers. A small room and meal tax would go a long way in funding an obviously lacking police department.

[Anonymous]

Savannah does have a lot visitors. My husband and I ate dinner last night in downtown Savannah and we saw a lot of visitors walking the streets at 9pm. I've had visitors ask me when I've been out in bars about Savannah's safety. Most visitors don't realize just how dangerous Savannah really is. On the other hand, I have friends who live downtown and they aren't worried about safety.

[DUHHHHH]

Cindi, go crawl in a coal mine and don't forget the biggggg pads.

[Anonymous]

Anyone interested in reading more about the Jennifer Ross incident can go to www.savannahnow.com and do a search.

[pearl]

When the crime is in Aruba we all have to Boycott the island. But when it comes to the US, everything is OK.

I'm so sorry for guys but the Boycott was a flop. And that because we pray for Natalee and her save return.
But you guys are asking God for Natalee's return and at the same time is asking bad things for a small Island.

Thanks Dan We all in Aruba Love U.

[pearl]

Dan please nevermind the Natalee's case we pray for here and still investigate the case. Delete everything from Natalee. She is in our prayer, dont give this case more popularity. Live goes on.

Thanks for everything you make a good job.

We all in Aruba love U.

Thanks again.

[Jody]

Well, I don't know why other programs haven't picked up on this story, but as for Greta, she sees nothing but Beth Twitty. If she can't talk to Beth or chase someone down the hall in order to take up for Beth, she apparently isn't interested.

[a..incanada]

One can tell from many above comments that full moon is nigh!

Pearl, so good to hear that the boycott is flopping.
God bless you all.

[Skye]

Jody,
You are posting lies again. Greta's show tonight was on George Smith.

[MF]

I'm so sorry for guys but the Boycott was a flop. And that because we pray for Natalee and her save return.
But you guys are asking God for Natalee's return and at the same time is asking bad things for a small Island.

Posted by: pearl | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 12:06 AM

Yes, Pearl but for a reason there is Karma, God watches everything, even from the corner of His eyes.

Aruba tourism has been affected by the Southern boycott somewhat. It was positive for Aruba for showing the world what a tiny island has done to help in a single missing person case and opened the eyes of parents from all over the world, that things can happen everywhere, even the safest places on earth. It was an eye-opener.

Negatively because, thanks to the help of some media, and politician looking for re-election and popularity, the other side of the story has not been told and all what has been done, was ridiculed and bashed.

Aruba's tourism has seen a slower increase in the last 4 months of 2005. Analysts and experts insists that this is because of the multiple Disasters mother nature has caused in the southern US and the record breaking oil prices and economy. Aruba has lost a few tourists to the Twitty factor and campaign, but there are just the one that did not get the other side of the story or were never interested anyway in getting to the island.

The campaigners for the boycott and some reporters might chant victory though that the increase in tourism has not been as predicted thanks to them, but we still must remember that Aruba has the last 6 months of 2005, a lower room capacity: more than 500 lesser rooms, two hotels closed.

So, indeed toursim traffic at airport has been lower than 2004 the last 6 months, but there obviously bigger factor contributing to this than, the Fab 7, Greta, Grace and Drd. Phil's campaign against the people of Aruba

[TJ]

PATRICK HURLEY (3 TIMES EMMY AWARD WINNER?)KNOWS IT ALL........

Dave Holloway's New Book

By Patrick Hurley
Jan. 13, 2006

Dave Holloway has a new book out and it is a must-read! The title says it all: "The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise."

The reason, of course, that the story IS tragic and untold is because of the massive cover up of what happened to that sweet girl the night before she was supposed to come home to her loving family. That cover up began as soon as Jug and Beth Twitty tried to talk to Joran van der Sloot and his elusive father, Paulus. Neither of them wanted ANYTHING to do with the Twittys or the truth. They immediately distanced themselves from the events the night before and soon, their legal counterparts, from the police chief to the attorney general, were following the lead out of the Netherlands to, "bury this case as fast as humanly possible."

I hope every one of you readers in here buys several of these books for you and your friends. Hopefully, someday, the truth will finally surface and Natalee will be laid to rest as an honorable girl who was adored by her father, Dave.

I see there has already been one "reviewer" of this book already in UK and I want all of you to share with me the need to not take him seriously. Why? Because, "Dayo Gould" does not exist. There is no such person. Like his alter ego, Paulus Van der Sloot, he lurks in the shadows and is not available for any kind of honest confrontation. As you watch the interview with Paulie baby, you probably noticed he was sweating profusely. This was not coincidental with the topic at hand. That is exactly what GUILTY people do when asked to explain their sins. It was not long before the watery weasel excused himself from the interview and slunk out of there like the coward he is. He has since turned over the defense of his case to, "Dayo Gould." This is an alias for a man who is as lacking in character as the elder van der Sloot.

"Dayo Gould," hides in the weeds and takes potshots at anyone who is decent and willing to put themselves out there in public for what they believe in. "Dayo," loves to quote honest people and direct others to their websites where he can misrepresent them to his own liking. He has used his literary sniper attacks on Meri Ulrich, calling her "mentally ill." He has constantly attacked Beth Twitty and Natalee, a grieving mother and a dead girl and he has even attacked me, even though he has never heard me speak to young people, nor has he ever cared about my heart for motivating them.

But, no one can possibly attack, "Dayo Gould." Why? Because he puts up a fake name with phony credentials. He does not teach in a Christian school in Aruba. He has several other names he has used in other websites and he has been kicked off every one of them for his methods against other writers. That is why he will not let any of us know WHO he really is. The epitome of cowardice. He wants it both ways. He believes he has the right to personally attack public figures for without being exposed himself. Meri, Beth, Jug, Dave and I are critical of the van der Sloot family and the investigative team, yes. But, we put our real names and reputations on the line, unlike the snake who continues to hide in the grass and does not have the character or the balls to admit to anyone who he really is.

So, do not take a writer seriously, if he refuses to take his own identity and credentials seriously. Hiding online and typing out sick propaganda making fun of a dead girl and her grieving parents is as classless as they come. I am not worried about "Dayo Gould" suing me.

Because he doesn't exist.

Only his cowardice does.

Please remember that the next time he posts another vicious article making fun of the tragedy in Aruba and protecting those responsible for the end of a very promising life.

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About the author: Pat Hurley has won three Emmy awards for writing, hosting and producing television shows. He resides in Southern California.

Email: coolhumor@sbcglobal.net

Comment on this article here!

[TJ]

Pat Hurley, how much have you been paid by Twitty-Halloway inc....?

[TJ]

Stinky Pete from Mountain Brook is certain that Beth lied from the first day on and that Natalee is still alive:

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stinkypete wrote:
^well it's a nice theory. But Natalee is not dead. And not a shred of clothing, not even a flip flop was found on the beach. They float...and who goes for a swim in a heavy denim skirt and flip flops?

Of other interest would be the hotel video showing Natalee in the lobby with FEB. The real question is, why did her mother lie and say it wasn't Natalee, and why did her mother convince FEB and the other girl to change their first statements that they had indeed seen Natalee at the hotel after she left Joran???????

whose FEB?
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^ Francis Ellen Byrd.

I also have proof via a relative's comments (ha) that Natalee did indeed call her mother regarding a fellow she met on the island. Now, why would Beth lie about something like that to a COUSIN? HEH. NOT. She's lying to everyone else.
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[Skye]

Thank you , TJ , for posting that article written by Patrick Hurley.

Every word Patrick wrote is true.

[TJ]

@Sky: you better thank the Natalee Trust Fund which surely subsidized it...

[murphy80]

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[Skye]

TJ, The truth is always free. You should try a little truth in your life. You are beginning to sound like Dayo yourself. Perhaps you are another of his personalities.

[abigail]

I have kept an eye on this case, but due to the recent murders here in Richmond over the past 4 or so months I have not read much on this. Just skimming though, I feel like I'm coming across some angry people. I'm not boycotting Aruba, Beth, Joran, Alabama or what have you. All I know is that someones "baby" is missing and if it were mine I don't know what I would do. I would think many of us have gone off to beach week or spring break and have gotten "plowed", but we are here slamming whoever for whatever reason. I think IMO is that a child is missing and we really don't know what happened. If you don't have kids ask your own momma what she would have done if you went missing. If you don't have a momma anymore like me then ask a close friends mom what she would have done if your best friend went missing. I just find that all the hatefulness here is not going to solve anything, especially when the direction of "hate" is targeted towards people who most likely had nothing to do with Natalee's disapearence.
I know I'll probably be slammed for this, but oh well. Got Natalee, Taylor and the Harvey's on my mind and I'm hurt enough over the crazyness going on in the world, so take a whack at me...

[DoorMart]

I dont see Savannah launching a PR campaign against this woman's family and friends because they want answers as to what happened.

That is why Aruba is boycotted....and why the story is still current on US media

In fact, the Aruba boycott has worked surprisinngly well. The recent figures from Aruba show that all important tourist numbers are down...including air arrivals and hotel occupancy. Remember that Aruba suffered the downturn AFTER Cancun was whacked by Wilma....which should have led to an increase of tourism to Aruba.

The mere fact that the STF of Aruba Tourism has whined on US TV about the boycott means it is working. They would not spend so much time on news shows if it was not working

Sonny Perdue was right calling for a boycott of Aruba. If anyone wants to boycott Georgia..so be it. Difference is that the Aruban govt is DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY. I am positive that Savannah and Georgia will take much more active interest in finding and adjudicating the murder of the young woman in Savannnah.

Even w Savannah's crime rate....I feel safer in Savannah than I would Aruba.

[MF]

Dear Doormat,

Let me lower myself to your level, in order to step on you once again:

The Boycott on the island Aruba has not been successful, like you want everybody to think.
Indeed Aruba has seen a smaller in crease in its tourism the last 6 months, compared to the first six months of 2005 where the increase per months was in the double digits.

Yet, you want to promote or like some of your colleagues spread false rumors and 'facts' about the island. THE OFFICIAL TOURISM NUMBER FOR THE LAST MONTHS HAS NOT YET BEEN RELEASED. You might scream cover-up again, but the reason is that the ATA department located at the airport has been working with lack on personell, and had even to use workers for other departments for a few weeks in order to help them out. It's a difficult job and the main information they gather is for the Department of Justice, and the Tourism Authorities uses these figure for their statistics.

They spend a lot of time on TV otherwise, people like you, sickminded, narrowminded and just filled with hatred will just go on with the lies. But there are intelligent people. Ask them, why there was lesser American traveling abroad the last 6 months of 2005.

They will all tell you: The Natural Disasters in the States and High OIL prices.

For those who did not know or were on purposely not informed, Aruba has now (since May 2005) over 500 rooms less, since a second hotel has closed down for renovation and upgrading to a 5 Star hotel. That is over 75.000 ROOMNIGHTS LESS FOR 2005! Don't say it's because of the stupid Boycott of a governor who is desperately looking for popularity.

The boycott might be working in keeping Southerners from Aruba, well, a small percentage though. But you live in fantasy world filled with cover-ups and conspiracies. You have to keep those thing in people minds to sell a book filled with fantasy too. It's how it works and we all knew that from the beginning.

Regarding being safe in Savannah, everybody will feel safe in their own environment, if it's so, STAY there. We all will stay happy.

Official Number for Aruba Crimes in 2005 is:

Murders: 6 (ALL SOLVED)
Suicide: 6
Robbery/Assault: 55
Crime against Morality: 30
Immoral Crimes: 8
Fatal Accidents considered crimes: 2 (When someone dies and the driver is under influence)
Missing persons case: 1

In short for you to comprehend: DOORMAT STAY HOME.

[truthbetold]

"something bad happend to Natalee" stated by a free suspect in the Natalee Holloway case. What the hell does Jennifer Ross's Murder In Savannah have do with Natalee Holloway's disappearance and cover up in aruba? Dan, you seem to have developed a personal grudge against the Holloway's. Sad.

[MF]

"something bad happend to Natalee" stated by a free suspect in the Natalee Holloway case. What the hell does Jennifer Ross's Murder In Savannah have do with Natalee Holloway's disappearance and cover up in aruba? Dan, you seem to have developed a personal grudge against the Holloway's. Sad.

Posted by: truthbetold | Sunday, January 15, 2006 at 03:20 PM

The famous sentence "something bad happened to Natalee" was never verified of coming from one of the suspect, or was used on phone written confession by police for the suspects to sign or that a was just a misunderstanding when a local reporter asked a police officer (not involved in the investigation but in the search) why they are taking so long in interviewing Joran and replied that maybe somehting happened, something bad, and they are now taking the suspects where the body is, or is it when asked the suspect where is Natalee, he replied, I don't know, maybe something bad happened to her.

Remember when the police told one of the family member that they needed money for searches, cause it will cost a lot of money to do extensive searches? And then the family member told his News Media that the police officer asked him for money, like bribing him?

Why so many short-term memory issues, are these comments nowadays just teasers for the book?

[templeorange]

Have been reading here for a while off and on. I have never posted before. I found a couple of post from way back then. They are worth reposting.
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The papa and the dutch boy and the two brothers.
4 cowards......

cow·ard (kourd)
n.
One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

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[Middle English, from Old French couard, from coue, tail, from Latin cauda.]

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coward adj.
Word History: A coward is one who "turns tail." The word comes from Old French couart, coart, "coward," and is related to Italian codardo, "coward." Couart is formed from coe, a northern French dialectal variant of cue, "tail" (from Latin cda), to which the derogatory suffix -ard was added. This suffix appears in bastard, laggard, and sluggard, to name a few. A coward may also be one with his tail between his legs. In heraldry a lion couard, "cowardly lion," was depicted with his tail between his legs. So a coward may be one with his tail hidden between his legs or one who turns tail and runs like a rabbit, with his tail showing.
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As I was watching Geraldo (he needs a new hair cut soon) I was struck about the need to contact both mothers of the suspects.

Therefore I propose an open letter writing campaign to Joran's mom Anita and the Kalpoe's mom Nadia. Here is my suggestion.

Dear Anita and Nadia,

Inlight of the proven lies told by your sons, we ask you as Mothers and Fathers of all nations, to come forward and expose your children's true acitivities to the Aruban court of Law. If they are innocent then they need to finally tell the truth and prove it. Your love for them may blind you to possible mistakes, but you must demand that your sons tell the truth finally in the good of the missing innocent girl, the Aruban island, the United States populace and for the good of all those who have missing loved ones. Anita and Nadia, if your sons are truly innocent they have nothing to fear.

What would either one of you expect if one of your sons was missing in the same fog of conjecture, lies and misinformation?

On behalf of parents, sisters, brothers, grandparents and citizens of the world I urge you to demand the end of this pathetic round of lies. Demand that your children speak the truth even if it results in a measure of punishment.

The United States and People all over see Natalee as their daughter. This crime has transcended international boundaries. It is not about Aruba vs. the United States, it is about good versus evil or truth versus falsehood.

I ask you Anita and Nadia, to search your souls and those of your children, if they are innocent you can help all of us. You at least have your children, Beth and David do not.

Live with the guilt or can you?

Posted by: NevadaMom | Saturday, July 16, 2005 at 11:10 PM

[Myth]

NevadaMom I wanted to say something. Beth and the others have told more stories and and lies then Joran and the Kalpoes. You are assuming they are lying, what if they are telling the truth. You and I do not know enough of the true facts to assume guilt. "It is not about Aruba vs. the United States, it is about good versus evil or truth versus falsehood" Get a Grip. There is probably more then thousand missing people in your home state. Natalee is not better then all of them she is equal to them. Some of you fanatics have got to be reasonsable and let the legal system of Aruba do its job. It is not up to us, the media or even the Family to decide who is guilty.

[MF]

Posted by: NevadaMom | Saturday, July 16, 2005 at 11:10 PM

Posted by: templeorange | Sunday, January 15, 2006 at 09:17 PM

Actually, this was in July, when the truth was still witheld by Greta van Susselen en Nancy Waste, we all now by now that the majority has opened their eyes to see what really is going on and this has now become more a revenge towards the people of Aruba and more and more a way in trying to get easy money.

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But I want a know for sure
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[Amen]

Natalee Holloway Needs Your Support
Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:47 AM CSTSometimes we just need to stand up for one of our own. Natalee Holloway disappeared on the island of Aruba and is feared murdered. Her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, and father, Dave Holloway, have spent endless months and tears trying to find their daughter and maybe even find justice for her. Yes, many locals on the island of Aruba were supportive with search efforts, kindness, food and even lodging. But not one person there stood up to their own government with the Holloways and simply asked, much less insisted, that the prosecutor’s office or law enforcement give them insight into the investigation or at least take proactive steps to bring even a semblance of justice to their wonderful daughter’s sad plight. Every word from Aruba is, and has been, in support of the country’s system and attempts to educate us to its ways. Always, Arubans’ first priority has seemed to be merely about their concern for tourism. Arubans have defended their government entirely. Beth and Dave aren’t merely working with the antics of a, perhaps, inexperienced police representative or investigator. Beth is a distraught American mother, Dave a devastated father, standing in their private grief while facing down a nation. I have enjoyed cruising and traveling as much as anyone. But there comes a time when we need to stand up for a member of the team. This, I believe, is one of those times. A grassroots effort to boycott the island was launched after all other attempts to find justice or even truth had failed. The family (and we supporters) are asking all Americans to show Aruba, and by extension the world, that we are what they refuse to be. We really are a nation governed by the people, for the people. Aruban officials have all but jeered at the limited scope the boycott has acquired thus far based on the mere few state representatives who have voiced their support. Americans are so much more; we have individual rights, and we definitely know how to stand up and claim them. I am a veteran, having served in our U.S. Air Force on three different continents. Not once on those foreign shores, or while stationed here at home, did we have the attitude that we would only don our uniforms or perform our duties if we felt personally violated or at risk. This horrible situation in Aruba might not be war in the traditional sense, but I am certain Beth and Dave feel they have been standing there in the trenches of lies and slander, fighting an unseen battle — against a bureaucratic enemy — for almost eight months now. Natalee is an American citizen, and she absolutely deserves us, her fellow U.S. citizens, standing strongly behind her parents on her now silenced behalf. This is not a case of Dutch legalities, Aruban law enforcement interpretations or even our contrasting judicial system from right here at home. Aruba has made this a case of a higher forum: the court of basic human decency. At this point, it is no longer about our individual sense of fun on foreign shores or our individual rights to travel unrestricted. It is simply about being there for someone who needs us. It is about standing up and being on the team.

[MF]

Posted by: Amen | Monday, January 16, 2006 at 02:15 AM

Amen instead of promoting hatred and slandering, lies and prejudice by calling for patriotic support, why don't you try to promote cooperatio from those at the other side (MB Kids) to cooperate first, before continuing the stupid call for 'war'.

The basic human decency is for everybody to cooperate and stop telling lies to stir emotions.

[Getagrip]

No one knows nothing on this case. They you so called blogger, I call you all slanderers as you use peoples names now and point fingers because you are all desperate for somethng to break on the case. There is nothing. NANA..Everything is still the same and the mountain brook girls know nothing more than they have told the fbi and the Aruban law enforcement.
The 3 boys and all thier cohorts know exactly what happened. They were with Natalee last. They know ! They need to simply tell the damn truth.
Human decency is to quiet slandering people you do not even know and quit talking about things that are not fact. You all have no facts. You are all specualtors and liars.You make crap up just to have something to talk about. Case closed.
Get a grip.

[Getagrip]

No one knows nothing on this case. They you so called blogger, I call you all slanderers as you use peoples names now and point fingers because you are all desperate for somethng to break on the case. There is nothing. NANA..Everything is still the same and the mountain brook girls know nothing more than they have told the fbi and the Aruban law enforcement.
The 3 boys and all thier cohorts know exactly what happened. They were with Natalee last. They know ! They need to simply tell the damn truth.
Human decency is to quiet slandering people you do not even know and quit talking about things that are not fact. You all have no facts. You are all speculators and liars.You make crap up just to have something to talk about. Case closed.
Get a grip.

[TJ]

HUGE LIST OF BETH LIES

From Anarinda:

All of Beth Holloway Twitty's lies
I found this on a forum linked to here Here are the lies:
#1- Lied about Natalee's room at Holiday Inn.
Posted by bama1 on 8/16
Beth said Natalee room didnt go out onto the beach, but a few days after she said this on FOX nes, they were interviewing Beth in Natalee's room and sure enough Natalee's room was on ground floor with sliding glass door leading to the beach. the interviewer asked Bteh about it but she quickly changed the subject,

#2 - Lied about talking With Joran:
Posted by roger
Did Beth lie when she changed her story?
...Here are the links to those interviews
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159779,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160231,00.html

Posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/17/05
She also said something a few days ago about confronting Joran at the holiday Inn that night in the parking lot. That was the first time I had heard the Holdiay Inn version.

Posted by roger on 8/17
First version of events:
Wednesday, June 15, 2005 Live Interview with Greta Van Susteren,

Quote:
VAN SUSTEREN: After looking at the video, what was the next sort of step in the investigation?
HOLLOWAY: Well, as far as what my concerns were, I wanted to find where this young man lived.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you find that out?
HOLLOWAY: Yes, I did.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did you do that?
HOLLOWAY: That was just through a series of events that I really don't want to get into now...
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever talk to him?
HOLLOWAY: I never had a conversation with him.
No, I did not.

Then a few days later in another interview with Greta she said this:

Quote:
Second version of events:
Monday, June 20, 2005 Live Interview with Greta Van Susteren,
Quote:
TWITTY: I think that the moment we arrived on the island and when we were in contact with these individuals, from May 31, from 1:00 AM to 4:00 AM, I knew immediately. I knew immediately.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you personal contact with them?
TWITTY: Oh, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did they say to you?
TWITTY: Well, it was very limited, but when the Van der Sloot young man approached the vehicle that I was seated in, he had the most condescending, arrogant, somewhat powerful attitude of any 17-year-old male I have ever seen.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?
TWITTY: When he approached the car, I was holding a picture of Natalee. And I said, I want my daughter. I want her now. And he just threw his head back and hit his chest, and he said, What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?
VAN SUSTEREN: Beth, thank you.

Why, would Beth change her story? What would have prompted her to do that? Was she hiding something? Did she have a reason to lie? Did she just want to create a lie to make Joran appear more sinister? We know that his attitude on that night, according to a later Charles Croes interview, was gentle and polite. Notice in her first version, she repeated her assertion that she "did not" talk to him. She said it twice, two different ways... very telling.

#3 - The male DNA on Natalee's toothbrush was because Jug handed it to LE.
Posted by SAGsun on 8/16 (not sure if this was proven to be Jug's or not...)

Posted by walkwithme on 8/17
Actually, she said that the male DNA COULD have been because Jug handed it to LE. She said they have no idea where it really came from. I heard the interview and that is what she said.

#4 - Lied about Natalee having a boyfriend
Posted by skepticynic on 8/16

"Natalee never had a boyfriend, oh wait, she did in ninth grade but not since" which was promptly debunked by either an aunt or Dave's wife. I am pretty sure one of the aunties said she dated someone recently.

#5 - Add to that "Natalee did not party.....MUCH."
Also posted by skepticynic on 8/16

#6 - She claims that "immediately" she "knew" that Natalee had been kidnapped.
Posted by Libsquasher on 8/16

However, the first posters said "Hootie please call me, we need to talk." Also Beth admitted in the People article of 07/04/2005 that she changed the posters from "Missing" to "Kidnapped" because she was "mad." (ostensibly at Aruban LE's "failure to act/inadequacies")

#7 - Lied about # of lawyers Joran has.
Posted by Uncartie on 8/17

She's lied continuously about how many lawyers Deepak has,always claiming at least 9.
Posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/17
She said Joran had 15 attorneys, then 9. Tito said there were 3 and indicated they worked together. When one was on vacation, another would represent Joran in hearings.

#8 - Lied about going to Deepak's place of employment.
Posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/17

She said she went to see Deepak because she was in the neighborhood doing other errands. She had camera men from one of the networks in tow. This was not a sput of the moment thing as she claims.

Note from me: She also had a packet ready to hand over to him. There is much speculation of what was in the packet but it was posted at RWV that there was a card with a direct insult to Deepak on it. She also lied about his not being able to look her in the eye as the film clearly shows him looking right at her. And, she lied about wanting to have a 'private' converstation with him to see if he would confess or say he was sorry. You don't have 'private' conversations with an entourage in tow and cameras etc. She clearly intended to make this a media spectacle!

#9 - Claims she knows 'for a fact' what Natalee was thinking:
Posted by TBHS_Addict

I know for a fact that Natalee thought she was getting into a taxi.
The only way Beth would know this is if Natalee told her.

#10 - Lies about how much cooperation she is getting from FBI & LE.
Posted by Jody on 8/17

Well, I feel she is lying about how much cooperation she is getting from the police and FBI. Listen to her sometime or go back and read the interview transcripts. She will say that the FBI and police are very cooperative with her and telling her everything they know, then the very next interview she will say that they are not telling her anything. I don't know if she is changing her story because she is just pissed off because she isn't getting someone to meet with her when she wants them to or what, but her statements on the cooperation thing definitely change almost daily.

Posted by westcoast on 8/17
I too noticed, from the moment she stepped on the island and started giving tv interviews that she said over and over again that she was Happy with what the prosecution and FBI were telling her. Then changed her tune. Beth can't have it both ways. Either they are, or they are not. So there she is misleading the public.

#11 - Lied about Joran having an open line of credit at casinos. (any, all or even 1)
posted (sarcastically) by dimar on 8/17

Didnt you know casinos go out giving credit to 17 year olds?

i dont know if you noticed but i was being sarcastic. of course they dont give credit to 17 year olds. only to people rich enough to buy their own casinos.

#12 - Lied about Joran having a black eye in school the next day.
posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/18

Joran had a black eye in school the next day.

If this was true, it would still be all over the media. Beth announced it and then the story disappeared. A black eye takes some time to heal and Joran was seen by the media when he was picked up. Greta said it was told by a student who had an axe to grind. There was no followup, because it wasn't true.

posted by rstj on 8/19
A black eye isn't something you get from an 18yr old girl (and I can already hear the tough girl stories being typed, so before you launch them keep in mind that there's nothing that says Natalee was a boxing champ). A black eye is very definitely something you might get from a "scuffle" with some drunk Alabama teenage boys.

posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/19
Remember there were police present when the Alabama posse came that night to question Joran. Admittedly, it was at night, but the police must have had the three come in for questioning right away. I don't believe the police went to Joran's house with the posse and waited 10 days to ask more questions. Natalee's mother was also present and she says she talked to Joran. She certainly never mentioned a black eye until much later when Greta said someone at Joran's school was claiming this. In fact Greta at first said "students", then in another show compared notes with another reporter and decided it all came down to one student's claim.

#13 - Lied about computer activity on May 30th.
posted by jessielake on 8/19

The latest big lie of BethHTwit is that there is no known electronic trail to support the fact that Deepak Kalpoe was in chat on his computer with an American student
at 3 am on May 30th, 2005.

#14 - Claims she has documents that prove that Joran admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee.
posted by Karaoke Kid on 8/20

If this is the case then Beth is safe, after all none of her lies will come out as acknowledged lies, such as the apparent sexual assault by Joran. However, maybe the best result is if they DO charge Joran because the case is sunk from the start - Beth has already said several times on TV that she has been given police reports and witness statements, and this clearly compromises the prosecution case and taints anything anyone has said.

posted by ArubanEd on 8/20
The Twittys did get some transcripts of the declarations of K2J, but they did NOT get them from the prosecutor's office in Aruba. The weekend that Prosecutor Flanegien of Aruba went to The FBI lab in Virginia with FBI agents so they can analyze some evidence, was the same weekend Beth went back to Alabama. When Beth came back, she said she had read some of the transcipts of the declarations, and thought that the declarations weren't complete, and she was really angry about this. So, it is very obvious that she got the declarations from the FBI. This is one of the arguments the defense for K2J used in their case against the involvement of the FBI.

posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/22
I don't believe the FBI gave her the documents. She said she secreted them out of Aruba. Jossy Mansur is the logical person. He keeps claiming to know exactly what is in Joran's statements. He's said there was one document signed by 4 policement, but not Joran. So he's aready claimed to have access to documents that he should not have. I'm not sure the documents are in Dutch or in English or if Beth has shared them with the media to examine.

After the witnesses that Jossy Mansur dragged up, I don't believe the documents are real.

posted by Angel on 8/22
The document are said to be statements made by Joran, so they are in Dutch.

Rudy Oomen (Deepak's lawyer) told the Amigoe that he never denied that these documents did exist. He did state that the passages that were printed had been taken out of context and he confirms that Joran did not sign the documents. The fact that Joran has not signed it also says more then enough.

Joran’s lawyer has stated that questionable interrogation techniques were used when his client was questioned. Joran’s mother also mentioned this. In the light of the absurd media pressure, it could be true that indeed such techniques were used.

posted by Uncartie on 8/22
Here's the deal with those "statements". Joran said something like "You want me to say that Deepak killed her"? "OK,Deepak killed her". The police wrote everything down but Joran never signed it. The statements are ridiculous,but are easily twisted by the Twit's and Jossy.

Posted by AZveteran on 8/22
If these statements (documents) do exist then they are evidence. If they are in the hands of the Twittys, then the documents should be considered released. If/since they are released, they will be thown out of court by the ALE, since any evidence released prior to trial can be, and will be, thrown out as evidence. They are as good as blank paper for the purposes of a trial.

Posted by Lucinda on 8/22
You are exactly right. Added to which, Beth apparently took them back to Alabama to have them "translated". So who knows what gobbledegook she came back with? She says the documents "prove" that Joran said he sexually assaulted Natalee. Do you believe that? Do you believe he'd say that? Tell the cops he'd raped someone when there's no reason to confess?

Posted by Angel on 8/22
They were not signed by Joran, so they can not use them in court anyhow. They are worthless.

Posted by Uncartie on 8/22
BHT's twisted thinking: Natalee had sex,therefore she was assaulted.

#14 - Joran hits on American women,therefore he's a sexual predator.
Posted by Uncartie on 8/22

Joran's ex-girlfriend and girl from NJ both deny this claim.

posted by lucinda on 8/22
Well, since Beth saw Jug in a bar, and asked to be introduced to him, I wonder if that makes her a predatress? Takes one to know one!!!!!

#15 - Lied about not knowing about the lie detector expert being on the island.
posted by fairways on 8/22
Well, we can put the Beth doesn't know about the lie detector expert being on the island as another of her lies. She knows good and well that Van Zandt brought the guy.

#16 - Is feigning ignorance a lie? Did she hire her new lawyer for her connections?
posted by fairways on 8/22

Beth claims this new attorney is a former prosecutor and when Greta asked her if she thought the friendships this new attorney possibly had from her prior positions might get Beth some information, Beth feigned ignorance.

Like what? Does Beth think the prosecutors and LE won't be smart enough to figure that one out

#17 - Lied about the credibility of the Gardener
posted by Merrill on 8/23

Beth opened Greta's show last night by stating that the gardener has proved to be a credible witness and Greta said not a word to contradict her even though she knows that Tito Lacle declared on her show that the gardener was not credible.

Posted by TBHS_Addict on 8/23
I agree. Greta has indicated that she believes the gardener was less than credible, but she lets Beth spin the story anyway.

The following are my input:
#18 - Weren't there conflicting stories about what happened after she found out and her trip back home (who drove, speed she driving at etc.) and how she got the FBI involved?

#19 - Lied about how many changes there were in Joran's stories and the significance of them. (read from the scrux link above...) Adding detail or explanations are not lies!!! All we have proof of is 1 significant change in his story - from leaving her at the Holiday Inn to leaving her at the beach. Anything other than that is all hearsay and speculation. Leaks and lies from people who are 'close' to the case cannot be considered fact because so far, all they do is play into the BHT lie machine.

#20 - I think she lied about just happening to be in the Van Der Sloot neighborhood delivering prayer cards. She knew exactly where she was going and what she was going to to, hence the camera crews....

#21 - Lies about how much assistance her and her associates are getting from Aruba, the hotels, the restaurants, the taxi service etc. At one time, I remember her thanking the hotel for a free room and the taxi service for a vehicle for one month and heard they were getting free meals at restaurants. Latest version is that Jug is putting it all on credit cards.

#22 - No public disclosure of how much money has been raised and how it is being spent. Is Dave Holloway really being made to pay his own way while the Twitty's et al get everything for free?!?!?!??

[Skye]

Interestng! It appears that Anarinda is aka TJ. Or best known on the world wide web as a LOSER with no life harassing the family of a missing girl. You must be so proud of yourself.
Dan should delete that, Anarinda aka TJ because you have your lies posted in enough places already.

[TJ]

Skye, you are so smart....!? Beth must be proud of you.

[liarsclub]

You folks are all clowns. You should get a job in
the circus. Sickos, all of you. TAKE YOUR MEDS
and see your dr. right away.

[Nicole]

I don't know why everyone is so certain that those boys were the cause of Natalie's disapperence.
First, yes they changed their story but only once & they all have the same exact version. Do you really think that 17-21 year olds being held in prison would not crack while being interrogated for hours @ a time. (my guess is not likely) Joran said he lied about the first story because he didnt think it was a big deal (assuming they would find Natalee right away)
Second, in america our legal system is INNOCENT until PROVEN gulity not lets hear what our media has to tell us & decide that its all based on fact.
Third, I am not bashing anyone or saying that this is Beth fault however these news channels will put her on the air & let her say whatever she wants before they even verify if the info is creditable or not. If something is her opion that is different but she has a reasponsbility to specify what is fact & what is her opioin. Also I feel for Beth & family for their lose however she has said alot of comments that consitently contradict themselves & never goes back to clarify. She also has a way of forgetting or not wanting to talk about something when it goes aganst her side. (example: whatever happended to the Dr.Phil tape that was Hard evidence in her favor? IT disappeared from the media as soon as it was found to have been tampered & she to this day will not answer questions regarding this topic.
My objective is not to put Natalee's family on trial but to shed some light to people who think they know everything about this case. It is not right to publically post slander about people,events, countries, etc that we have no concrete facts about. just because the suspects were the last to ADMITT being alone with Natalee does not mean they were. (Do you really think if the perpatrater is someoneelse they would willingly come foward? Heck no)
There are alot of unanswered questions on both sides Americans are just being spoon fed a one sided story.

[NICOLE]

ALSO IF THOSE BOYS LIVED IN THE U.S. THEY WOULD NOT BE PLAYING ON THE NEWS THAT THEY ARE RAPIST, DRUNKS, ETC. THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SLANDER. WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THESE MESSAGE BOARDS ARE SETUP TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS, HOWEVER WHATEVER WAY YOU FEEL YOU ARE INTITLED TO YOUR OPOIN & SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE BEING IMATURE & GETTING ANGRY BECAUSE YOU SEE THINGS IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT.
PEACE