Harry Belafonte - Duh-O

I really detest seeing morons like this spouting garbage while standing next to the likes of a Hugo Chavez or a Castro. It can't simply be stupidity, because noone's that dumb. It has to be a form of racism. Oh, but we can't say THAT. What BS.

"No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we're here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people ... support your revolution," Belafonte told Chavez during the broadcast.

The 78-year-old Belafonte, famous for his calypso-inspired music, including the "Day-O" song, was a close collaborator of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and is now a UNICEF goodwill ambassador. He also has been outspoken in criticizing the U.S. embargo of Cuba.

Talk about a collection of folks who sound like they belong on a banana boat.

Come Mr. Harry man tally my banana

Daylight come and me want you go home

As long as home is anywhere other than the country in which you and Glover lined your pockets, scumbag.

Belafonte led a delegation of Americans including the actor Danny Glover and the Princeton University scholar Cornel West that met the Venezuelan president for more than six hours late Saturday. Some in the group attended Chavez's television and radio broadcast Sunday.

Comments

[Phoenix]

Alamo,

Let's mix in another factor to the soup of 'mankind':

One of the problems with many self assured amateur economists is their
misunderstanding of time and time scales. For example, the environment
and its health operates on a very long time scale ... thousands of years or
even eons. It always "wins" ... as a self-organizing, self-correcting
system with no regard for ethics, morals, the GOP, libertarians. Living
organisms ... whole communities die out including human communities (see
neanderthals). Politicians and their pet perfect theories operate on
about a two year time scale. A mere blip, click, speck, nit, nano-fleck
on the environmental time frame. The two will never be reconciled. And,
humans always will lose, not necessarily disappear, but live in a
subordinate role to very long term trends. Ideology really doesn't matter
in the end. Regulations ... preventing public harm for the most
part .... merely buy us some time; props up the house of cards. It might
buy 100 years or even several centuries. So, time makes for an
interesting point of discussion. Unfortunately most people don't like to
talk about anything that exceeds their own life or immediate view.

I think we're getting close to Malthusian Theory, too..... Now, he had it together....except for those belligerent pygmies. :)

[thealamo]

I think we're getting close to Malthusian Theory, too..... Now, he had it together....except for those belligerent pygmies. :)

Posted by: Phoenix | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 10:15 AM

Actually you could open another whole can of worms with that one. Want to toss in religion as well? :)

I am not trying to sound condescending here, but my take on it is that most people live in a very, very small world that centers around one thing--themselves. For them to consider anything other than that, is difficult. Most in fact, do not even look at their own future and take the cares of the current day to be the only concern. And...that is right to some extent because no one has a guaratnee of tomorrow.
To be frank with you it has been a long time since I read the Malthusian theory, but I do remember that I did not agree with it.

I look at the situation like this. My interest in all of this came about because I developed a passion for liberty, and found the study of history fascinating. That is why I pay so much attention to it. However someone else likes the study of music, and another learning of botany. I cannot fault them for their lack of knowledge in one area without faulting myself for that lack in their area. In those cases, I am more than happy to defer. What I find interesting about the political aspects is that those who know little have just as much "power" as those who have a better grasp, and they are not willing to defer. It does not hurt me or another, if I know nothing about botany. It does not hurt me or anyone else if another knows nothing about english, or music.
Unfortunately it does hurt me, you, and all of us when someone does not know the proper function of government and economics, and due to their lack of knowledge (even though a well meaning person) we are stuck in cycles that endanger both our economic life as well as the physical. I guess that is why sometimes people find me antagonistic. Not so much anger at them, but the frustration of knowing they (though not purposefully) are helping to sell me and my family down the river due to their ambivalance about the whole matter. And yet, am I not the same about botany?

With that, you can see why we have "representation." Unfortunately, when the consumer knows nothing about the product themselves, then how can they check on whether their representation in the matter is to their best interest? How can that representative achieve the results in the best interest of all whom they represent? They cannot. The consumer has to take the word of the representative, and as long as they hear what they want to hear...they assume they are "represented." Meanwhile the nature of man takes over in the "representative" and he/she takes care of their own interests, which are quite often in conflict with those they are supposed to represent. Human nature is to always take care of one's self first. That will never change.
The interesting thing about history is that you have heard it always repeats itself. Actually it does not---the nature of man never changes, therefore the results will always be as predictable as any other science because history is determined by the nature of man. Most people feel that history is "current" and as you so aptly noted above, they are given to the time and place of their own existance--that, being more than many can handle....when in fact, the time and distance become totally irrelevant when one considers it in light of the basic nature of man--at least for the whole.
Since that nature has not changed then we can, just as exact as a science--know what will come of the future for the whole. The United States was a grand experiment, and it worked for awhile. This is why I can see that the founders were vocal in their statements about their religion at the time. The morality of the masses at the time is what kept their nature in check, but as sure as night turns to day, human nature began to take over...and the grand experiment fizzled into another top down system.
Don't know how I got here from your original post....sorry sometimes I wander. And just so you do not take it the wrong way...I was not speaking of you personally in any of the above, just people in general.

[Matt Raymond]

I wanted to make sure you saw this:

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_30663.html

Private Statements of Goodwill Ambassadors

9 January 2006 -- Comments over the weekend by Harry Belafonte in Venezuela were made as a private citizen, and not in his role as a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, nor in an official capacity on behalf of the organization. UNICEF does not endorse these comments.

UNICEF has a vital mission of saving and improving the lives of the world’s most vulnerable children. That important work includes providing children with life-saving medicine, better nutrition, clean water and sanitation, quality basic education, and emergency relief in many of the neediest areas around the globe.

The world has agreed to these priorities in the Millennium Development Goals, which must continue to be a central focus of the international agenda for children.

[carmela]

Sorry, but could you all just say it in English.......ok I am one of those that has knowledge in something other than what you are discussing and quite frankly I feel like an idiot because I really dont follow the arguements. But Alamo, how would you "fix" things?? Is there a plan? Because we can gripe and moan about how it is being done, but who is going to step up to the plate and get it done? Have you stepped up to the plate? Or are you saying that Big buisness will win because those like you who know arent willing to actually get out there and make the rest of us see the light. Just my humble ignorant opinion.

[carmela]

Sorry, but could you all just say it in English.......ok I am one of those that has knowledge in something other than what you are discussing and quite frankly I feel like an idiot because I really dont follow the arguements. But Alamo, how would you "fix" things?? Is there a plan? Because we can gripe and moan about how it is being done, but who is going to step up to the plate and get it done? Have you stepped up to the plate? Or are you saying that Big buisness will win because those like you who know arent willing to actually get out there and make the rest of us see the light. Just my humble ignorant opinion.

[thealamo]

Sorry, but could you all just say it in English.......ok I am one of those that has knowledge in something other than what you are discussing and quite frankly I feel like an idiot because I really dont follow the arguements. But Alamo, how would you "fix" things?? Is there a plan? Because we can gripe and moan about how it is being done, but who is going to step up to the plate and get it done? Have you stepped up to the plate? Or are you saying that Big buisness will win because those like you who know arent willing to actually get out there and make the rest of us see the light. Just my humble ignorant opinion.

Posted by: carmela | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 04:13 PM

Hi Carmela. I would hope that is what we are doing here...trying to get others to see the light. Actually I was not very good in English as you can tell by the structure of my writing (helped by time and space) but I thought things were pretty plain here.
Please feel free to ask about anything you do not understand.
As for the solutions, they have always been there, and I alluded to them (somewhere) above.
You can take the basic premise upon which the United States was founded and we already have history to show that it will work--but it will only work if people of integrity are in the top positions. That group began shrinking almost immediately, but I would say the Civil War was the actual turning point. From that point on we have had an increasing encroachment upon the "American way" by members of government. Not all of them, all of the time, of course, since everyone has a different "morality level," i.e. some will do more than others--both right and wrong.

One of the keys is for people to grasp just who they are and take a look at their own self image. No one has the right to "rule you." No one has the right to the fruits of your labor. If you understand this, then you are just as good, or better than those who are in government positions. If you can grasp that, then you now know you have the RIGHT to tell THEM what to do, rather than being told what to do, because, after all, they are SERVANTS--not masters. You, Carmela, are the master in this United States. You have to step into your rightful position and demand they abide by the law of the land. We had a written set of governmental guidelines--the Constitution. Why? To prevent those in that position from taking advantage of the people. They no longer pay any attention to the law. Therefore they are NOT rightful officials, and it is your job, and mine, to get the scum out of government and put in their place people who will obey the basic laws of the land. Until we do that---things will continue to go downhill.

[carmela]

This I grasp, but in order for me to vote for someone with the integrity there has to be someone running that fits that bill. There were alot of years I didnt vote for this very reason, and I feel there are too many of "me's" out there, we just didnt vote. So then the ones besieged by those running - that voice was heard. So then I went back to voting and alot of times it is for the lesser of the two evils. Give me somewhere to start. Show me how to start getting these people out of office. Unfortunately those honest straight up individuals that would be great in office never seem to want to play that game? My opinion is that we are too far gone to get it back round again, but I am willing to participate if someone wants to lead the way. Has to start small and progress and I dont see it happening. I dont believe we can behead this entity called goverment and start anew, we would run amok. So where does it happen?

[Phoenix]

Alamo,

I think we're saying the same thing at this point.

Except to your propensity for generalization: You cannot possibly 'disagree' with all of Malthusian Theory. You have a brain.

One way to fix government is to demand term limits. Get the fossils out of there.

I'll pick Marx, but you can choose from a plethora of "Great Thinkers" and note that the one flaw in their 'great thinking' was that they could not understand humanity. Most were elitist windbags who thought they 'knew' man. Heh. Marx never 'knew' a commoner. They were beneath him. Ever read Paul Johnson, the British historian? His book, INTELLECTUALS, details a bunch of these fools. What pompous verbal levanters.

You kind of contradicted your devotion to Bastiat. He was blinded by a, dare I say it?, Buddhist-like belief that man Could cooperate and get along. He never read that National Geographic piece on pygmies. Bummer. :}

[thealamo]

Unfortunately those honest straight up individuals that would be great in office never seem to want to play that game? My opinion is that we are too far gone to get it back round again, but I am willing to participate if someone wants to lead the way. Has to start small and progress and I dont see it happening. I dont believe we can behead this entity called goverment and start anew, we would run amok. So where does it happen?

Posted by: carmela | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 05:18 PM

Well, look at what was accomplished with 12 deciples!
And, you are right about a lot of what you say here. First, the two party system. The structure of both parties is such that no one gets into position to even be brought before the public unless they "pass scrutiny" by the "top brass" of either political machine. This speaks for itself as far as getting honest individuals into it just "piecemeal." Won't happen. If enough people awaken to the party structure and demand that things change...perhaps they will. So the other alternative is additional parties. This is why the two parties, along with the media will continue to downplay and even attack a multi-party system. Unfortunately for them, there is nothing they can do legally about it, or they would. However, they have done the next best thing. Neither major party will even recognize the possibility of a viable candidate from another party--which, that alone should tell people something. Surely, there are more than two people with intgrity in the nation willing to run for a position. No, they do not want any competition for their own power party.
The next thing that is an absolute necessity and MUST be addressed by the public are the new voting machines that they have put into play. You have no record of your vote, and you cannot prove who you voted for, and more importantly a group of you cannot prove who you voted for...or against, so to speak. I don't need to tell you what this means.

The key here is fear. They fear you much more than you know, or else things would alredy be worse. The fact that there are 80 million people with guns in their homes scares the living daylights out of them, so they are content to ease us into the program, rather than force it down our throats. However, both Clinton and Bush have mounted assaults on posee comitatus for just that reason. If the military is ever used as a policing agency--we are in deeper trouble. Speaking of police, you can demand that they be turned back over to state and local control instead of national control. The homeland security entity is set up for just that purpose, and the "patriot" acts put the civilian police agencies ALL under federal control. Anywhere else that is called communism or fascism...but here the media has glossed it over and Americans do not yet realize what is being done to them.
Alternative media is another problem. The entire media of the world is actually controlled by less than 20 people through interlocking dicrectorates. This is why with all the "news" in the world, you still get the same story from the same outlets on a daily basis. Surely, there are more than two or three events in the world that are newsworthy. Where is the competition? When there is not competition, then there is either collaboration, or control. Right now the internet is a pain in their agenda, but they are working on that as well.

The whole thing boils down to my first sentence. Look at what happened to the entire world with only 12 people. The difference is that those 12 talked to everyone...all the time, and would not be silenced unto death. We are not at that point yet, so we don't have to worry about death. At least not today.

[thealamo]

I'll pick Marx, but you can choose from a plethora of "Great Thinkers" and note that the one flaw in their 'great thinking' was that they could not understand humanity. Most were elitist windbags who thought they 'knew' man. Heh. Marx never 'knew' a commoner. They were beneath him. Ever read Paul Johnson, the British historian? His book, INTELLECTUALS, details a bunch of these fools. What pompous verbal levanters.

I have to laugh st this part:
Except to your propensity for generalization: You cannot possibly 'disagree' with all of Malthusian Theory.

You have a brain. (there are many who would disagree with this part!)

You kind of contradicted your devotion to Bastiat. He was blinded by a, dare I say it?, Buddhist-like belief that man Could cooperate and get along. He never read that National Geographic piece on pygmies. Bummer. :}

Posted by: Phoenix | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 05:54 PM

All in all, I would pick Jefferson. I think he did have an understanding of the common man, and was one of the few that actually had an interest in them other than some type of profit or control motive.
Marx is only listed as a "great thinker" because the powers that be want to give him equal status and he has therefore received wide "acclaim" from a biased media. If you have ever read some of his junk--it is ludicrous, and as we know leaves the door open for massive abuse. It is a totally emotional "sales job" to appeal the the masses of illiterates in the world--and it is the emotion of the sales pitch that causes them to buy the product. I cannot call anything about him great, except upon the scorecard of evil that his ideas have produced. Communism is responsible for more deaths (murders) than all of the wars put together for all of time. Kind of speaks for itself.

I was always partial to Mickey Mantle as well...'cause his antics reminded me of myself....:)

[annie]

The Alamo You are right about the Marxist stuff, and it is a boring old read (Marx and Engels), I have a copy somewhere around. His (Marx's) grave is here in London. Marxism is primarily about anti religion, and there are still a lot of people around who would go for that, but would not call themselves Marxists. However, the reason that I mentioned DR JAVIER SOLANO was not because I believe there is some sort of conspiracy, but the guy is actually IN POWER BIG TIME, and most people have not even heard of him. He is a fully blown Marxist, and he is, at present, the European Union's High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy. He wears a few other hats as well, but you might just as well say that he is the most powerful man in Europe, he literally does have his finger on the button. He is the one with the say so for defence in Europe and the European Union has emasculated the countries which belong to it by signing into all this stuff. If you want to get a grasp on what is really happening in the world then read about the European Union. It started off as just a trading enterprise which most of the countries involved were willing to go along with (however, we had no vote on it), and now we have to defer to the European Union even with our criminal law. Anybody that does not agree with a decision made in our courts simple appeals it in the European Court, and that decision is final. The main body of people who are in charge are unelected (the Council of Ministers, of which Solarno is also the Chairman), and the European Parliament has absolutely no say in making law, they are just there as people to pass the law through. However, this guy Dr Javier Solarno is the most powerful guy in it, and as I say he is a Marxist, but most people don't seem to realise this. Too late, we have sleepwalked into this, and it would be very hard to get out of it now. Javier Solarno also has this nut mother who was involved with the Guru guy, so what kind of influence is that. He is Spanish and his grandfather I believe, was ambassador to one of the south american countries, where the Nazis were given aid and comfort. It is too late now for anybody to remove this Marxist atheist Solarno, he is embedded into the Organsiation period, so just watch out because he is gradually emerging from the shadows. No conspiracy, just fact!!!

[thealamo]

It is too late now for anybody to remove this Marxist atheist Solarno, he is embedded into the Organsiation period, so just watch out because he is gradually emerging from the shadows. No conspiracy, just fact!!!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 05:01 PM

I see what you are saying. The problem is that for the one world government to emerge, it has to be communistic. The people of the world instinctively know that it is a bad deal...even those with no religious beliefs tied to the one world system. It is obviously too much power concentrated into the hands of too few people, who cannot possibly fathom what the lives and circumstances are in all of the nations of the world, and therefore have absolutely no business "ruling" them. The fact is, no one has the right to "rule" another. They may work into a cooperative agreement such as this country was ...a long time ago, but this idea of a class system is ludicrous.

I have known that we would fall to second behind the EU for a long time, and I do watch the goings on over there on a "macro" scale, but had not been privy to this type of info before. Basically all leaders of the world will be practicing marxists, whether they admit it or not. As I mentioned above, both your and our government are passing increasingly antagonistic legislation upon the rights of their own people, and all the while they use the "terrorist" scare as the excuse. The United States has used lies to enter every conflict it has been involved in since the Civil War, and this one is no different except for some MAJOR factors. First "who" are we at war against? In the past it was Germany or North Vietnam, but now it is an adjective---"terrorism." What IS terrorism? No government has defined it--purposefully. This way the definition can be elastic, so to be molded to their own private desires. You will see the term "hate speech" evolve to "terrorist speech" and soon that will include political criticism. When you have governments attacking freedom of speech, then it is automatically proven that those governments have something to hide. The term "terrorist" gives them quite a bit of leeway to run roughshod over the rights of the people.

Again, I reiterate, that I do not believe the Islamics and your and/or my government have some "conspiracy" together, although I find that both your government and ours are using it to their advantage to grandstand their own people. One thing I do find interesting is the financial connections. George Bush Sr. and Bin Laden Sr. were partners in Carlyle Oil company. Concidence? Possibly. I also DO find it interesting that the "terrorists" are not attacking and blowing up the oil wells in Iraq, and for sure the pipeline in Afghanistan. This shows me one of two things. Either there is a payoff to them to avoid these things...whereby they get some of the money to fund terrorism, or they are complete strategic idiots, and have no intention of "winning the war." The very first thing they would address is the the oil production since they feel that we are infringing upon their territory. What better way to make us pay than to hit the reasons we are there in the first place?

You are right about the EU. It is becoming an increasingly dangerous organization for the entire world, as the UN already is, and always has been.

Notice it is your country, France and Germany wanting to get it on with Iran for having nuclear weapons? But guess who will do the dying? You will see American and some British troops involved...but no French and Germans. Not only that if the UN is "fair" and just, then why ignore the nuclear weapons possessed by China, Russia and North Korea?
This whole thing is a scam on the world, and the world, is buying it hook line and sinker.

By the way Annie, I was pretty tough on you up above, but you handled it like a trooper. You must be a class lady. Thank you for being so cordial, when sometimes due to my own frustration, I can be a little rude....but only just a little! :)

[annie]

The Alamo You know something that most people have not even realised with all this, is that it is the athiests (Marxists) that are getting various religions at one another's throats. They sit back and pull the strings. I am not saying that there are not Muslim terrorists, there are, but most Muslims, and Hindus, etc, just want to get on with their lives. Whereas most athiests really hate religion, they always make the excuse for getting rid of religion, is that wars are fought over religion. Not true, most wars have been fought over territory, land, and still is. What is really frightening is if something happens to the US and it is unable to function as the world's policeman, so to speak, and then you will see, we will be at the mercy of the EU and Nato and as I have been trying to point out, the people running these organisations are full to the gills with athiests, Communist people and ideas. Then you will really see freedom go for a Burton. You will be wishing the good old days of the US 'democracy' were back. Bush is right to be fighting terrorism, but I fear he is being backed into a corner, and I think the recent withdrawal from Gaza by the Israels, which people say was due to the US putting pressure on Israel, is really because pressure is being put on the US by this guy Solarno. The US were even defering to him in the bombings of Jugoslavia, and Solarno has a price on his head as he has been tried in abstentia for war crimes re these bombings. He was kicked out of the US for his Marxist stuff but now they and all the world leaders defer to him. That is why I am saying that he is the man in the shadows pulling the strings and he has managed to get himself into such a position that we cannot get rid of him. He is still the old Marxist he always was, and hand in glove with the Russians. You are seeing real Marxism in action, as played by a very cunning, crafty man.

[thealamo]

He is still the old Marxist he always was, and hand in glove with the Russians. You are seeing real Marxism in action, as played by a very cunning, crafty man.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 06:45 PM

I agree with most of what you are saying here, except the idea that all leaders in this day and age are not part of the "program."
Here, our industrial base has been gutted, and the American worker sold out to slave Chinese labor. We leave our borders wide open when anyone with even a "small brain" would know that is the first thing to be done to keep "terrorists" out. Our currency is being totally debased, and they continue to run up the national debt like they are in a candy store.
As I said, I do not think they are in bed with the terrorists, but find them very useful.
One more event here, and you will see some very negative things happen to the few liberties we have left. My guess is they will finally convince the people that posse comitatus (which forbids US military to be used at home in "police" matters) needs to go, and we will then see military "police."

Our currency has been destroyed, and the Chinese have been given control of our national debt. When they decide to pull the plug, it is either war, or third world status. And....they will pull the plug.

What I see evolving is that we will continue to utilize Nazi type methods that this administration has adopted, such as torture, arrests with no lawyer, no trial, spying on our own citizens etc., As that progresses, there will be more and more antagonism from the world, especially if we attack Iran, and "US Imperialism" will become the talk of the day.
At that point, it is my guess that your country will no longer back ours and we will see the whole world come against the USA. Obviously, this is conjecture on my part, but it sure seems to be aligning itself that way.

One thing you should know. The Kennedy's were not hit by lone assasins. WAY to much evidence to the contrary. The opinion of many pro American writers and people who have researched this is that the reason they were taken out is that for sure John was going to put the US currency back on metals backing (silver) which would have stabalized the currency, and Robert, his brother was going to implmeent the plan in his stead when he was elected. One thing is for sure. Robert Kennedy died from a bullet entering behind his right ear, and Sirhan was standing eight feet in FRONT of him firing the shots. A physical impossibility.
My point to this is that if the leaders of a country are not willing to go along with the one world program...they are removed, one way or another.

Anyway, most people cannot see what all this has to do with today because they are victims of media control, and even worse, victims of public schools. The media is a total joke when it comes to political truth, and one can be pretty sure of being right if they take what the media says and believe the opposite....just joking of course, but many times that is the case.

I think either our government is behind the one worlders, or we have succeeded in finding the dumbest possible people to sit in high places that are possible. How else can one explain a foreign policy that a 3rd grader could work out better terms for, and that, for the last 80 years?

[annie]

You know, The Alamo, I can remember when the former President Bush was always referring to the New World Order, since this President Bush has come in I have not heard him refer to this at all. I think he is OK as regards patriotic, but there are too many interest groups putting pressure on him. It is easy to be seduced by the New World Order stuff, 'cause wouldn't it be great not to have wars or famine or stuff like that. That is the blurb these people put out anyway, but the truth is, in the hands of guys who can't be elected out ('cause let's face it, they are going to make sure they can't!), stuff like that is absolute dictatorship, and given men such as Solarno are Marxist, you can forget any faith in anything you have. You will really have to take a stand and die for it!!

[thealamo]

that is the blurb these people put out anyway, but the truth is, in the hands of guys who can't be elected out ('cause let's face it, they are going to make sure they can't!), stuff like that is absolute dictatorship, and given men such as Solarno are Marxist, you can forget any faith in anything you have. You will really have to take a stand and die for it!!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 08:13 PM

My guess is that the "world" will utilize voting machines like we have adopted here during this administration. With these machines, there is no record of your vote, therefore it is impossible to contest any elections. This way, they can fool the people into thinking they have a choice, when the outcome was already decided before they even went to the polls. There is no other possible reason that they would not want one to be able to prove who they voted for.
If that is the case then we will hear "great swelling words" from those running the show, and they will continue to put on a show that the people have a choice. Heck, if they get away with using those machines here...and they have, then they will surely use them everywhere else in the world. The continued "dumbing down" that has occurred specifically in this country is beginning to pay off, and most people here are content to just give up their rights without even so much as a whimper. Deadly neighbors, and as you alluded to above, these very "neighbors" will be those who sell out their own. Watch...it will happen that way. After all that is the Marxist way....rat out your own countrymen. Our population is already ripe for it, because they have had them bickering over "democrats" vs. "republicans" for years, while both parties carry out the exact same program. This is their indicator that the people have no idea what is happening...and I would say it is a very good one at that.

[annie]

The thing I find troubling is that so much is being pushed on the people without them ever having had a say, and this same sex marriage stuff just about takes the biscuit. If things keep on going on like that it will get to a point where people wont want to defend their country any more, 'cause in order to want to defend it you have got to think it is worth defending. Rome fell because it became decadent, and our Western countries are starting to go that way. I was telling you about the Commission of the European Union, which is a few unelected people chosen by the heads of various countries, well you would never think that we would have a guy like Mandelson, who is a big pal of Blair's and a homosexual who has a young South American lover living with him at the tax payers expense. He was chucked out of the government twice due to shady deals, and do you know what, he only gets to be rewarded for this by being given a job of a Commissioner in Europe!! These guys are running it for themselves, believe me. If we only knew the half of it. The more you delve into what is going on the more sickening it gets. However, I don't doubt that I will be arrested soon for daring to say anthing detrimental about homosexuals, (as we are supposed to say that it is normal), they are even teaching the kids in school that it is OK, and little kids I mean, these people have their own agenda.

[annie]

I suppose what I am saying Alamo is that they don't even need to use the ballot at all, they just simple do whatever they like. Why? Because they can, and nobody can do a thing about it.

[thealamo]

they are even teaching the kids in school that it is OK, and little kids I mean, these people have their own agenda.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 08:59 PM

It is the same here. "Hate speech" is designed for just such a purpose. Never mind that homosexuality can be cured. Never mind that it is not biological, but a choice. We have a place here in Texas called Exodus, where the homos can go to get out of that lifestyle. I believe they had either a 93% or 97% cure rate, can't remember which....but it tells you something for sure....it is not biological, because you can't change biology.

I doubt whether you guys are at the point of arrests for speaking out....yet, but both countries will be soon. The big picture is this. Western civilization grew rich and wealthy through the free market system. That has to go. The one worlders believe in total top down control, and I mean control of every aspect of life. In order for that to happen all vestiges of the free market have to go, as well as all personal liberties and ownership of property. The UN is the perfect organization to pull it off because they are "international," i.e....they have no countrymen to be beholden to, ttherefore our politicians and yours as well can blame the UN and yet, never do anything about them. Neat plan...and it will work.

Your people, just as ours, for the most part were very skeptical of the UN, and it is my guess they still are. The solution for you guys? No recourse positions in the EU, which will be subservient to the UN, and then the UN can run things without the EU having to "face the music" with their populations.

They are inundating the US with illegals for the very purpose of destroying it via "lack of knowledge." This totally waters down our culture and educational base. And...these people have more rights than we do it seems, yet they are not expected to learn of the Constitution, our laws, or our customs. On the contrary, we are supposed to bow down to their customs.

Here is the thing about world leaders. If you and I know of these things do you think they (our governments) do not? If Bush wasn't part of the program, all he would need do is alert the people to what is going on, and I can guarantee you he would have support like no one has ever had before. Like father, like son.......

[annie]

You know Alamo, there was an article here in the newspaper the other day about a couple of elderly people who had gone into their council offices and seen a poster promoting homosexual stuff, so they went back later and asked if they could display a poster for some church item, and do you know what happened. They were visited by the police who grilled them for several hours trying to get to admit that they were just trying to make a point about their Church, what they really intended was a hate crime against homosexuals. Just you watch, they will be changing the words of the Bible soon to take out any references to anything they don't agree with. You think I am kidding. Now that is Marxism!! By the way, am not homophobic as such, have worked with and had friends who are homosexual, but I would rather they keep it to themselves, am not interested in a persons sex life, just don't try to get me to say that night is day. I would not send my kids to the State system the way the schools are going. They should just stick to teaching the three R's and not try to push their own agendas.

[thealamo]

I suppose what I am saying Alamo is that they don't even need to use the ballot at all, they just simple do whatever they like. Why? Because they can, and nobody can do a thing about it.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 09:11 PM

That's because you let them get the guns from the people. That hasn't happened here yet, but they are working on it of course.

In regards to that though, I do not believe it would help to "overthrow" the government. Why? Because this is a "mindset" problem, and an educational problem. Until the people can learn of freedom again, and the truth behind the current goings on, it would make no difference if the total government was changed....we would be right back where we are in a heartbeat because the people know nothing else.

[annie]

You should be glad that they have somebody in as President at the moment though, who is trying to get some morality back by putting judges into the Supreme Court in order to shore up some of the damage that those Clintons did. I don't think it was Bill though, he strikes me as 'anything for an easy life sort', it is his wife who has the agenda. Where did these people come from anyway? You think they were really that bright? Clinton asked for the scholarship here in Uk, but he never finished the course!! just partied his way along. They seem to have covered up a lot along the way.

[thealamo]

You should be glad that they have somebody in as President at the moment though, who is trying to get some morality back by putting judges into the Supreme Court in order to shore up some of the damage that those Clintons did. I don't think it was Bill though, he strikes me as 'anything for an easy life sort', it is his wife who has the agenda. Where did these people come from anyway? You think they were really that bright? Clinton asked for the scholarship here in Uk, but he never finished the course!! just partied his way along. They seem to have covered up a lot along the way.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 09:50 PM

That's propaganda b.s. One of Bush's first official acts was to stop all investigations into Bill Clinton. Tells you a lot of the story right there. The assault on the christians has continued unabated. He has allowed Islamic prayer groups into the whitehouse, and on and on. He allows torture of prisoners of war? Totally un-Christian and un-American. Eavesdropping on the people? Totally un-American, and un-christian. No just because someone says they are a "christian" doesn't make it so. Besides, the churches here were the first thing to be compromised...long, long ago. They are all 501c3 government corporations. They are not allowed to speak against the government, and Clinton and John Ashcroft shut down Illinois Baptist Temple for daring to go against the grain. It is not my place to judge, but if Bush is a christian, he sure is walking to a totally different God than that of the Bible...

[annie]

Did not know that President Bush had stopped investigations into Clinton. Very interesting. See, I am just looking at this from the European perspective, esp the UK, and I am thankful that the US is still there, because if you go under, then God help us! That is why I am glad Bush went after the terrorists, because they would not have done that here, I don't think, without Bush getting behind them. They would just give in to terrorist in a lot of the countries, look at Spain, one go at them on the trains and they gave up!! Same old lot, France, forget it!! Germany?, you have got to be kidding, not much difference between Marxism and Facism really. Greece? they don't want to interrupt the holiday tourism industry. Usual stuff, let the US and the British go get themselves killed. No wonder I say that I am thankful the US is still there, because if anything happens to you lot, there is someone (Solarno), waiting in the wings who already has the power. By the way, the British have tried to limit it a bit, but were told by Solarno that they have 'devilish' small minds for trying to do this. Of course, one the biggest problems is the media, and there has been a relentless outpour of stories that belittle the war on terrorism in the news here in UK, that should tell you something!! The people are not as daft as they think though, and they know the European Union has done no good for our country, and that is why the Government daren't put it to the vote, they just charge on, because they have to deliver for their masters in Europe.

[thealamo]

See, I am just looking at this from the European perspective, esp the UK, and I am thankful that the US is still there, because if you go under, then God help us!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 10:34 PM

You are right. America was looked upon by the oppressed of the world as the possible "savior" for them. Hence the one worlders extreme efforts at eliminating this country. And you are right, when we go, the rest of the world is doomed to follow. (and I do not say that arrogantly...actually the America I knew, has been in its death throes since the mid 60's and truthfully even before that,...so it really isn't the place it was when I was a child) I was hoping that your people had not become as docile as these are here but it looks as though it is the same there as here.

Spain surprised me with such an easy capitulation. France, of course, is never a surprise when it comes to having any backbone, seems that died with Napoleon. The Germans....it is my conjecture that this is where the strings are being pulled from. Can't prove it, but it is a good guess.
I am of German descent myself--and many of your people are as well if you followed the anglo saxon migrations, but I think that the leaders of all countries have long ago put away "nationalities" and have joined together in this one world plan.

You know, I have been thinking about this Solarno situation you mention. Biblically, in the end the British are supposed to be forced to join into the one world system, and leave us totally alone, and we get hammered. This could be the guy who forces that situation if he has the power you say he does. I do not claim to be a Bible scholar, but that is what I understand is supposed to happen. Our countries, of course have mutual ties both economically and by blood. The break would have to be caused by a power beyond that which we are aware of now, or some extreme high treason in high places in your government. If the EU has that type of power over you all, then that would explain how that could happen. Conjecture of course, but interesting.

[annie]

Right Alamo, but I think you have to go deeper than just the European Union, that is just a vehicle for this guy to get into power. If you look at what he is a member of, The Club of Rome, for one thing, there is some deep Masonic link here which most of the leaders seem to share, and that includes big business, media, etc. I don't really know that much about the Masonic stuff, just that when a couple of guys wrote a book about it here, they had a very hard time getting it published, and I think they may be dead now. That sound like conspiracy stuff enough for you? I know that a lot of the Royal families are involved in Masonic stuff. The kind of Masonic membership I am speaking of is based in Europe mostly. What these people are really about I just don't know, but I think a lot of people who belong to Masonic groups never get to find out what the people right at the centre are about. By the way, The Club of Rome, sets itself up as some kind of think tank group, but I get the impression it is really Masonic at the heart of it.

[annie]

Of course though Alamo, I had forgotton the US founding fathers had some kind of Masonic link with the pyramid, and the eye of Isis, setsquare and all on the dollar. I ought really to find out more about that and why and how they explained the symbolism to the people of the US.

[thealamo]

By the way, The Club of Rome, sets itself up as some kind of think tank group, but I get the impression it is really Masonic at the heart of it.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 11:19 PM

I have read similar things, and the Club of Rome definitely carries some punch. Not sure about the Masonic thing, but I have read that too. I am aware that at their higher levels, all is done in secret, and such that the lower level guys don't have any idea what is going on.
Makes sense if you look at it from their point of view. The secret organizations etc., In the past the Bilderbergers and Tri-lateral commission were "secret" but due to the constant exposure, as well as their own self assurance they decided to come out of the closet so to speak. Heck, the Council of Foreign Relations used to be "secret" now they have their own web site and you can get a good idea of where they are coming from by reading some of their crap. Unfortunately, the CFR contains the heavy duty money people of this country, so it is safe to say they will not run out of cash for whatever they have planned.

I have to laugh at people who throw out the phrase "conspiracy theorist" when they cannot come up with a viable answer to things such as these. As I said earlier...somewhere up above. Theories are about things that have not happened, or conjecture, which we all do of course, but these things are facts. I have actually had people tell me the CFR is "fiction" and then I tell them about the web site, and they get strangely quiet.

The conspiracy part of it is not the facts that have occurred, it is the interpretation of those facts that leads to "theories." Hell, most people cannot even deal with the facts, let alone any theories as to why all this is coming about. The thing is, that when you have someone throw out "conspiracy theorist" as a defense mechanism it is a sure moniker that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, so they use that as their "argument."
So, in most cases I just stick to the facts, or clearly try to label what is conjecture. And I think conjecture is all we will ever have, at least as to why these things are happening, and who really is behind them.

of course...all these things could be accidents,....and it snows in the desert in midsummer....

[annie]

You know Alamo, I read a book years ago (think it may be out of print nowadays, and doubt it would have been published in the US), but it was in a lot of bookshops at the time and you could even get it in the library. It was called 'From Witchcraft to Christ', and was by a woman called Doreen Irvine who turned into a great evangelist here. Anyway, she had started out as a prostitute and ended up on drugs and eventually got caught up in Satanism. She was known by them as 'The Queen of the Witches for the whole of Europe'. What was interesting was her information about the Satanic link with very rich, powerful people in Europe where she used to go and stay at their houses. She said that if she was to say who these people were, nobody would ever believe it. Many were well know and very influential. After she became a Christian there were several serious attempts on her life. In the Bible it does say that when Satan was tempting Jesus, he told Jesus that if he would bow down and worship him he would give him whatever, because it was his to give. You know what, Jesus never contradicted him. Makes you wonder!!!

[thealamo]

After she became a Christian there were several serious attempts on her life. In the Bible it does say that when Satan was tempting Jesus, he told Jesus that if he would bow down and worship him he would give him whatever, because it was his to give. You know what, Jesus never contradicted him. Makes you wonder!!!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 11:56 PM

Very interesting statement you just made. I have often said that although Jesus turned down the offer, there is no doubt that offer was given to another, who took him up on it.

Not trying to get personal with you here, but you have a lot of knowledge about this stuff. How old are you, of you don't mind my asking? Don't worry I am happily married, and am not trying to hit on you....just curious.

[annie]

Well Alamo, I am probably older than you! I seem to have been around a long time, met a lot of people, done a lot of things. I think I have to be as old as I am to see lots of stuff coming together now. Don't want to sound pessamistic, but it does not seem to get any better! Just coming to the conclusion that there are people out there who have an agenda, and are master manipulators. Don't think it can be stopped either. Will have to sign off for now, as it is very late here. Maybe catch you later, thanks for your very interesting postings for the night, all the best.