Van der Sloot Back In Aruba: Suspects To Be Questioned Again

Said to be confirmed by the AP.

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[whatever]

as they should be

what the hell is up with the word verification???....LAME

[DoorMart]

Just think if Aruba handled some of the other major crime cases:

OJ Simpson: "Gee OJ, we will wait until you dispose of the bloddy glove and clothes. Dont forget to clean up the Bronco...

Kobe Bryant: "Dont worry...we wont arrest you until the end of next season....that girl is sleaze, like the Holloway girl"

Scott Peterson: "Ah....we see you busy w Amber Frey. Just call us in a few months"

Robert Blake: "Diane Sawyer called...said to not question you until she does"

Saddam Hussein: "Hey, we need a replacement for Nelson Oduber someday. We got a few nice palaces to stay at until we question you"

[Myth]

They are only being questioned about minor discrepencies in the time line, plus J2K and their lawyers have known about it for a little for a while. It can not be to important and or some big secreat to make them qrack under interrigation if their lawyers and J2K know.

[Nancy]

Stop it people. Quit looking to blame the family for some type of fraud case or run away case. Their daughter is missing. She didn't run away. She isn't pregnant in some perfect wonderland with the love of her life. Her parents aren't hiding her somewhere so they can collect money. They didn't off her to collect life insurance. She is missing and Joran, his dad and the K brothers know what happened to her. End of story.

--Georgia

I agree with you Georgia, right up until you say Joran and others know where she is. That is speculation. I also agree with you that the rumor of Natalee having been pregnant, or that her family is doing something fraudulent is ridiculous and cruel. But it is cruel also to condemn JVDS and the K brothers without any proof.

[Nancy]

Georgia, it also isn't fair to say that anyone who doesn't believe that JVDS and the K's are guilty is "blaming the family." I do think that Beth Twitty has been given far more attention than she should have ever been given, at the detriment of missing CHILDREN. Holloway is a missing adult. Please remember Georgia--that many children remain missing. No one who has gone missing has EVER been searched for like Natalee Holloway. NOTHING more can be done.

[punkingale]

Nancy, know this: If not for Natalee's disappearance, we would NEVER have heard of the other missing children. Yes, she's an adult, but a very young and naive one. Thanks to Beth, we're now hearing about other missing people.

[ze]

Aruba has it's favourite "son" coming back to the island.
If the initial lie about the Holiday Inn had not been said by:
Joran VDS....I was scared about telling my parents I'd sneaked out that night
Deepak & Satish Kalpoe...we were just covering for our friend Joran
Steve Croes...Hey man it was just something I overheard and I don't know any of them

If, none of the lies had been said in the beginning...would we have been at a different place in our thoughts now? And, more importantly, would the ALE also have been?

[danie]

ze...well said! no matter what anyone's beliefs or speculations have evolved to...the 3 (i include PVDS, so 4) suspects derailed this investigation at the beginning, when time was so crucial....don't believe anyone can dispute that!
JMHO...they also had the opportunity to make things right and clear themselves by helping with the truth.....as always, JMHO.......

[ze]

I like to give benefit of the doubt so:
1. Joran could have been scared to admit to being out that night
2. Deepak & Satish I can understand backing up a friend
3. I do not know why Steve Croes even comes into this equation...shouldn't be there..if first 2 are OK...shouldn't have anything to do with anything.

[danie]

i agree completely, ze, but have a hard time believing once it was clear that Natalee was still missing after ten days....well JMHO...feel PVDS, being an officer of the court, should have encouraged truth.

clarification: they are all innocent by the law; no physical evidence or confessions that we are aware of (nor should we be under dutch/aruban law)....JMHO and pure speculation...if they were absolutely 100% innocent....they would have cleared themselves and cooperated........

[ze]

Take away all the comments from both sides and what it boils down to is the fact that four persons initially lied to to the LE while they were witnesses.
Joran VDS
Deepak Kalpoe
Satish Kalpoe
Steve Croes
All of these persons were initially bought in as witnesses and made statements...before 3 were bought back in as suspects.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not a crime to lie when you give a statement as a witness?

[Gigi Ola]

Just think if Aruba handled some of the other major crime cases:

OJ Simpson: "Gee OJ, we will wait until you dispose of the bloddy glove and clothes. Dont forget to clean up the Bronco...

Kobe Bryant: "Dont worry...we wont arrest you until the end of next season....that girl is sleaze, like the Holloway girl"

Scott Peterson: "Ah....we see you busy w Amber Frey. Just call us in a few months"

Robert Blake: "Diane Sawyer called...said to not question you until she does"

Saddam Hussein: "Hey, we need a replacement for Nelson Oduber someday. We got a few nice palaces to stay at until we question you"

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 21, 2005 11:03:42 PM

OHHHH Doormat,

Only two of the above have been charged! And who the F do you think you are to charge Saddam -- Although we don't like him, it is obvious of the crimes against his own people, but who it to say that one of the USA presidents have not done the same. Maybe not to the same degree, but dead is dead in my book.

[ze]

As to Paulus VDS
He was not bought in as a witness, he was straight away bought in as a suspect. Which means, as a suspect, he could say anything he wanted.....
Whereas, the four boys who lied as witnesses, before they were suspects could be tried by the courts

[danie]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not a crime to lie when you give a statement as a witness?

Posted by: ze | Dec 22, 2005 12:59:09 AM

ze....according to our dutch legal eagles, if i recall correctly, only signed statements under oath can be used against the person(as a crime)...lying in an interrogation or providing a statement as witness not under oath does not constitute breaking the law.....

[Bertha]

If the foregoing four resolutions exemplify an example of the Alabama administrative prowess, we can certainly appreciate why the federal government instituted the No Child Left Behind Act. Alabama has been left behind."

I don't know whether this is Harry Tho, or still the unknown "paul"; however, those five lines are the most scathing that I have read in a long time.

Beatifully phrased, and a paragraph that, hopefully, the Alabama voters will see a lot more of, the next time an election rolls around.

Posted by: Dayo Gould at December 22, 2005 12:05 AM

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/12/harrytho_1221_n.php#comments

[shonane]

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/05dec/article248.html

[ze]

Danie
So you go to the Police station and you give a statement AS A WITNESS and then you sign it.....
BUT, basically nothing is binding unless you go before a Judge.
OK, why didn't the LE in Aruba have a Judge confirm these witness statements?
There must have been Judges available to do this before the witnesses were bought in as suspects some week later

[ze@ze.com]

Re witness statements, I'm only asking because the LE was very keen to get the gardener's witnesss statement before a judge.....but no one elses?

[danie]

BUT, basically nothing is binding unless you go before a Judge.
OK, why didn't the LE in Aruba have a Judge confirm these witness statements?
There must have been Judges available to do this before the witnesses were bought in as suspects some week later

Posted by: ze | Dec 22, 2005 1:21:13 AM

ze....from what i can recall...provide signed statement to police as a witness; then this is presented by prosecutor to the judge;the judge then determines if witness should be brought in for questioning under oath before him.....as i said....to the best of my recollection....dugo, iquitos,and we used have jr dutch attorney who explained these issues much better that i.....and it's been a while.....sorry.....

[ze]

Thank You Danie for trying to help
I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
AND...May your god go with you

[danie]

thanks ze....a very Merry Christmas and Happy, healthy New Year to you and your family!!!

[peace4all]

is anyone still here

[JW]

Natalee is in Heaven
Joran will be found guilty of murder
Deepak guilty
Satish guilty
Paulus guilty
steve guilty
a number of Aruban Law enforcement will be found guilty.
Boycott will continue to grow.
Movie will be number one and will enlighten us all to the corruptness of the happy little island.

[Brooke]

No one is guilty of anything until PROVEN guilty!!

Because st beth says so doesn't make it a fact.
SHE is the one that has complicated the entire case because of her need to be the center of attention.

[seth]

Bachus: "Officials should be able to talk to students about disappearance "

"There are people in my district who have said, `I don't want them coming up
here and talking to my son or daughter' "

MOTIVATE MOUNTAIN BROOK CHILDREN!

*GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK* *GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK*

THE SKEETERS TAPE IS PROVED FAKE

Deepak says: "No, she didn't."

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WINS CASE...NO LONGER A SUSPECT

GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK

Deepak says: "No, she didn't."

NO US GOVERNMENT SUPPORT FOR BOYCOTT. ALGAAR IS ALONE!

If a concerned party in a criminal case, for example somebody who has filed
a complaint with the police, is of the opinion that the investigation is not
being done or not being done in a reasonable amount of time, this person can
file a complaint with the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands
Antilles and Aruba.

GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK

No need. No cover up, no corruption, excellent police work, excellent
justice system and brilliant legal system. No corpse No case.

ACTA EST FABULA

PLAUDITE!

PLAUDITE!

Deepak says: "No, she didn't."

PLAUDITE!

PLAUDITE!

The answer to where Natalee is lies in Mountain Brook. Plain and simple.

For 6 months now the Mountain Brook children have remained *silent*.

Time to try something different with your Mountain Brook children. Time to
speak is now - don't you think?

GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK

MOTIVATE MOUNTAIN BROOK CHILDREN!

A most inane comment since we know those children are high achievers thus
well-motivated. Compare/contrast.

The answer to where Natalee is lies in Mountain Brook. Plain and simple.

For 6 months now the Mountain Brook children have remained *silent*.

MOTIVATE MOUNTAIN BROOK CHILDREN!

"There are people in my district who have said, `I don't want them coming up
here and talking to my son or daughter' "

GEEN LIJK GEEN ZAAK

Deepak says: "No, she didn't."

ACTA EST FABULA

[Lisa11011]

MB Kids, Chaperones and all other adults that went on a HS trip - Lawyer Up!!!! Oh yeah, that's right you ALL Lawyer Up on your escape from Aruba back in May!!!

They are Coming for you MB Kids!!! They are coming!!!!!

[festicles]

Paulus Van Der Sloot is the key. I still say go and abduct him and bring him to a secluded area....there are ways you can twist someone's knee to where they will confess truthfully.

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 22, 2005 7:22:20 AM

Maybe if you have a little free time during the holidays you might want to go back and re-read that whole "constitution thing".....it's good stuff.

[Georgia]

Paulus Van Der Sloot is the key. I still say go and abduct him and bring him to a secluded area....there are ways you can twist someone's knee to where they will confess truthfully.

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 22, 2005 7:22:20 AM

I'm still with Doormat. This person and I think a lot alike. Well, kinda. I too think Paulus should be taken out to some secluded area but I think Joran should join him and have something twisted...other than his knee until we get the truth.

Sad to say, unless something drastic like the above isn't done, we will never ever get the truth. I mean why should we? Paulus said, no body, no crime. Don't talk. (In other words, don't tell them what happened they will never find out because her body and evidence is gone where no one will find it...my friends and I had 10 days to get it all cleaned up) And, lets not forget the backing of some of the ALE and corrupt government to be sure the truth never comes out.

We can only hope the above takes place doormat.

[Arubaanse]

Gosh i have missed you guys

[Jan]

Do you really think this is significant - give me a break - this is nothing just clearing up details before they put case in closed file - Joran will be enjoying a nice holiday with his family - THANK GOODNESS!

[BROWNALMOSTBLACKMAN]

I'd like to know why Deepak Kalpoe lied to Momma? " Why you lie to Momma? Because he had to! None of their stories jive and the further they, P&J VDS and the Kalpoe brothers, are away from interrogation, the easier it will be for them to emerge unscathed from all of these goings on. Yeah, Beth Twitty is a pain, but whatever her current motive is, which has changed from her initial outset to find Natalee to all the media attention she probably never expected resulting in a crusade to boycott Aruba, etc.,etc. will mostly end up in frustratingly negativism. It is difficult not to be bias to ones' own conviction that the boys and the father have the answers to all the questions Beth has unanswered, but there is no real evidence as yet. This case may break if the boys get together in Aruba, which unless forced is doubtful. Those stripes don't change long term. Anyone remember the song "Merry Christmas Baby" by Charles Brown and Lightnin' Hopkins that has been decimated by the current crop of me too singing groups?

[Justice4All]

Oh and I thought he was just home for Christmas.

[scubajap]

LOL I thought it was Paulus's midlife crisis and his need for a piece of ass while his wife was out of town...surprise surprise...the world knows joran and the dupes are covering for Daddy...Hey Mr Posner can we see those casino tapes,,,,,Talk about a need for attention...whats the deal no prostitutes on Aruba or werent they good enough for Paulus?

Posted by: boywonder | Dec 22, 2005 6:58:51 AM
Hey boywonder, we saw the casino tapes and NO PAULUS only Joran, one of the Twitty twins, and four of the MB girls. They don't even show Natalee and Joran together. Ok? got that now?

[Melody]

good day :)

[DownSouth]

I just checked on the Joran pictures on Flickr.com. If he actually loaded them he may actually be guilty of at least being a jerk. That slideshow almost seems like something that a person who killed someone and didn't get caught we put out there. Don't take my word go to the Joranblogspot and follow the link to Flickr and form your own opinion.

Always thought he was a jerk but that isn't a crime. But he truly looks like the date rape sort. Beth may be a mediahound but so may be right. I think that since Beth is so annoying it forces people to defend Joran but this kid may be bad news.

[a..incanada]

J2K are not the bad news! Once the formalities are done in Aruba, the investigation will head for the bad news in MB, where the real cover-up lies.

[Justice for Natalee]

Santa isn't happy with Joran's timeline.

[moey]

Everyone: No one has been charged or proven guilty. Furthermore, there is no evidence of any crime, period. The only thing that has been established without a doubt is that there is a US citizen missing from the island of Aruba. What happened to her or where or how or who was involved is all SPECULATION! There are no facts, just a lot of "it could have happened this way," by everyone.

Until there is forensic evidence that a crime has been committed, I don't know how anyone can be charged with anything. Just because she was seen with Joran or anyone else for that matter does not mean that they killed her, disposed of her, flew her away or did anything else with her. You need evidence to bring in to a court of law in order to convict someone of a crime and there is nothing here, not one scrap!

IMHO I do think Joran and Paul have one more piece of the puzzle, but I don't think it is the answer to what ultimately happened to Natalee. I also think that the MB students, families, etc., know a lot more than they have revealed thus far about what happened in Aruba. IMO Moey

[Vicki]

Downsouth, I totally agree with you. He sounds like a maniac. He is one scary guy. Its lke he is obsessed with the whole thing.God don't like ugly

[Lisa11011]

Downsouth & Vicky - You got the name wrong - You mispelled Jug's name!!!

Once Aruba started asking him questions of his relationship with his step-daughter - Jug disappear!!! When he reappears now and than it is just about destorying Aruba - not finding his step-daughter!! RED FLAGS!!! RED FLAGS!!!! Guilty!! Guilty!! Guilty!!!

Another one hiding something as well. MB is just FULL of sercets!!!!

[sinterklaas]

The funny thing is they can't force him to be questioned again. They have to ask him and he can just refuse and there is nothing they can do about it. If he doesn't refuse and he doesn't like the questions or whatever he can just walk out and there is nothing they can do about it so some of you people shouldn't get there hopes up ;-)

Also you shouldn't believe everything that is said by the police because they can say whatever they want this doesn't mean they speak the truth so be very carefull...

[c]

Posted by: sinterklaas | Dec 22, 2005 1:56:39 PM

as Dan wrote:
"SAID to be confirmed by AP"

[sinterklaas]

@ C

I'm just pointing out that from a legal point of view police can not force them to even talk to them.

And i'm also pointing out that the police can say anything they want so be very carefull with the info they are feeding the public that's it.

btw i'm not american so maybe we have a language problem don't know.

[Greta]

Gretas Blog 12/22/05

Here is an e-mail I received Wednesday night from Aruba Today's, Tito Lacle:

E-mail No. 1

Joran arrived in Aruba tonight!
TL

As you probably know, the "Joran" is Joran van der Sloot and he has been in school in Holland the last few months. I assume he is home for the holidays and will go back to school in Holland in January. I have no idea if the police intend to question him or not.

Incidentally, the typical media cycle about the investigation into Natalee Holloway's disappearance has occurred. First we had "Stage One," where almost everyone (and I mean everyone) covered her disappearance and the investigation. All of prime time on all the cable networks covered it as well as at least one magazine show on the networks. Magazines also covered it: Vanity Fair, People, etc.

Now we are in "Stage Two" of a long story, where the media criticizes the coverage even though the viewers remain interested. The cycle is so predictable. Yesterday I read with some amusement an Associated Press column that was critical of the coverage of Natalee's disappearance. I guess the A.P. columnist writing that story did not know  or chose to ignore  that there was an A.P. reporter in Aruba covering the story. As an aside, the A.P. does a great job of covering news and did a great job in Aruba.

Here's the bottom line: If you don't want to read about the investigation for Natalee or watch the coverage, don't. No one is making anyone watch or read about it. And far more important, it remains a tragedy that this young American is missing in Aruba and her family has no answers. An even bigger tragedy is that there are many, many more Americans missing here in the United States with families who everyday grieve for their loved ones. The pain is immeasurable. I only wish we could cover all these missing person stories in order to help. I don't know what is better to do: Concentrate on one story and drive home the point that we need to better investigate cases or do many, many, many segments on many missing people to drive home the point that missing persons is a huge problem and one that can not be ignored anymore. It may not seem so serious to some, but I am sure their opinion would change should they meet the many parents who are searching for their children.

What do you think?

http://www.gretawire.com

[truthbetold]

it never ends.........this is going to go on and on and on and on and we will never ever hear the end of it from beth.............ya know yes joran and co lied and in the start of things that made me highly suspicious too but after hearing all beth's lies and seeing her behavior (which is beyond just being a "media hound" - it is downright strange for a mother of a supposedly missing girl who is "grieving") after seeing all I have seen, I find it very hard to belive she is not hiding things and there is way more to this than just some date rape gone bad.......this case is so distorted and twisted and maybe joran is a liar or whatever you guys say, maybe he is a "player" who knows - I don't care - I will tell you I am more apt to believe him right now than Beth - she actually has a far worse track record as far as I can see

[bubu]

GET DRUNK, GET WILD AND HORNY and THEN BLAME AND BOYCOTT ARUBA....

[berry]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not a crime to lie when you give a statement as a witness?

Posted by: ze | Dec 22, 2005 12:59:09 AM

_______________________________

Witness to what?

[Muirnin]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not a crime to lie when you give a statement as a witness?

Posted by: ze | Dec 22, 2005 12:59:09 AM

_______________________________

Witness to what?

Posted by: berry | Dec 22, 2005 3:27:57 PM

Ahh....sexual assualt for one, was admitted by Joran.

Implicating the innocent black men...Joran was certainly a witness to that considering he made the story up.

Lastly, kidnapping. Last person seen with an intoxicated person that goes missing...can be charged with kidnapping. Joran and the K bro's certainly talked about Natalee being drunk, and they were the last ones seen with her...

[moey]

ZE Dec 22, 2005 12:59:09 a.m.

Ze: If you are in a trial or giving a deposition which is recorded by a court reporter and subject to review by a Judge, yes you 'might' be guilty of perjury. However, this is Dutch law in Aruba, so I am not familiar with ther perjury laws or even with their laws regarding statements/questioning. But furthermore, we don't know that anyone lied as we don't have copies of the actual signed statements that any of the witnesses made; we only have Beth and other family members' words repeating what they 'read,' 'heard,' or 'someone told them.' There is no uncontrovertable first-hand evidence of anything except the fact that there is a US citizen missing from Aruba. IMHO

[MOEY]

murinin:

How can someone be charged with kidnapping if you have no evidence that someone has been kidnapped?? There were people who were seen with Natalee in public places but there is no forensic evidence that she was kidnapped, drowned, murdered, or departed to a location on her own. One may 'wish' they could charge and convict someone with this kind of information, but I don't think even the Dutch laws work that way.

There is nothing tangible to prove that anything happened to Natalee other than the fact that she is missing, period. I don't see any concrete facts, other than circumstantial evidence, that point to anything else. IMHO