Natalee Holloway: Notes And Observations

Found what I was looking for - whatever it's worth.

I don't know how the story turned into the one about BHT finding out on the road. You can call Tinkerbelle's Bed and Breakfast in Hot Springs, Arkansas and they will confirm this. BHT got the first call (evidently one from a chaperone saying NH was missing) shortly after lunch.

My husband works a night shift so we were asleep in the Kipling room when we heard loud screams and prayers. The couple that run this house ran the house in "Groundhog's Day" and are very religious. They were laying hands on her and telling her that G-d would strenghten her and then she left quickly and the lady of the house cancelled her scheduled appointment qat the Arlington Bath House on bathhouse road.

We didn't understand that this was going to be significant until we came home about 4 days later. Since we sleep until about 2:00 pm we had only seen her and a group of friends at dinner and another night at Coy's Steakhouse.
I don't like to talk a lot about this because I am not the issue. But I assure you that Tinkerbelle's will probably answer your question for legitimacy reasons. They are wonderful people. He's a postaql employee and she's a designer and wonderful host of this four story mansion that had the first running water within hundreds of miles and the best breakfast, bar none.

At most b&b's, there is a lot of privacy as you have your own key and can come and go as you want. So we had a balcony, we smoke (ICKKK!) and we had seen her coming and going but we had not had breakfast with her (main meal) because we slept later than most. She was small and frail looking and we were only told to pray for her daughter (which all of us did) because we thought she had been in an accident. Poor beautiful lady. Inside and out.

Several comments here.

Comments

[George]

Letters came from the place that Beth was when she received the notice.

Posted by: antoinette | Dec 11, 2005 6:59:08 PM

I must have missed the post from which we are supposed to know this; can you post a reference?

[antoinette]

Please please please stop taking this crap from some posters. I'm not sure what their agenda is, but I have been enthralled because I was staying in the same bed & breakfast as Natalee's mom when she found out Nat was missing. We were at Tinkerbelle's in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28867&page=5

[falcon]

Studying what we don't know got us nowhere. One of the most astonishing things we do know is the uniform solid wall of certainty that Natalee was dead absent a credible shred of subjective or objective evidence. Read the first 150 numbered blogs on Riehl World. Read the flame scorn and diatribes on the rare person who had the effrontery to point to absence of evidence as representing reason to treat this as a missing person case. I'm comfortable with 25% of people getting suckered in, but I'm certain the 90 to 98 percent at the time cannot have been so stupid. There has to be a reason.

My recommendation is to go over the first 150 blogs to list the ones who skilfully and enthusiastically propagandized Natalee's certain death longest and hardest. Convert the email addresses to names and places, then see if some of them cluster. These could be correlated with people who could have secondary gain in mind. You might ask; " Gain like what, or who might benefit from such absurd death certainty."

Who/what might you drag up in that net? 1) Arubans who want to get back to stealing blonde teenagers. 2) Interim captors who had responsibility for Natalee at the time. 3)Middle east sheiks who can pay enough bloggers to delay what should have been an investigation. 4) As Dr. Phil has shown, prostitution interests trying to make a little money on their new captive.

Don't shout me down, now. Just 'cause I'm preachin' real good. All the other investigative schemes hit the wall. At minimum, the scheme I outline is systematic. It can't do any worse than what has already been done.

[antoinette]

I am just speculating, but is Very strange, I know is evil, BUT if she manage to try to fabricate evidence against Joran and the K2, then Mr. PVDS, then murder, rape, burried, I do not know.
I saw Danielle's Mother, Mrs. Rocha, The father of the two kids, their actitud was so different, at home taking care of the other kids.

[George]

Letters came from the place that Beth was when she received the notice.

Posted by: antoinette | Dec 11, 2005 6:59:08 PM

... Tinkerbelle's in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28867&page=5

Posted by: antoinette | Dec 11, 2005 8:32:05 PM

I read those WS posts I must have missed "the post on Dan Riehl's site that it was postmarked" in Hot Springs; can you post a reference?

[antoinette]

http://www.wildwood1884.com/index.html

[nelson]

Posted by: concerned | Dec 11, 2005 8:21:22 AM

Very well said, I'am an Aruban living now in NYC, I know what Aruba is all about and you are 100% right. There's alot of people out there that can see the real truth.

[George]

I read those WS posts I must have missed "the post on Dan Riehl's site that it was postmarked" in Hot Springs; can you post a reference?

Posted by: George | Dec 11, 2005 8:58:27 PM

http://www.wildwood1884.com/index.html

Posted by: antoinette | Dec 11, 2005 9:05:31 PM

Thanks; it tells NOTHING about the letter sent by Natalee to PVDS.

[danie]

the 3 or 4 (PVDS) suspects started the lies and mislead the investigation from day one. if they were so innocent why would daddy not advise them to come clean, cooperate and allow the case to move on...as an officer of the court it is his duty to hold himself and son to a higher standard...TELL THE TRUTH(not yelling); color me stupid, but if the police pulled me in to interrogate me as to someone's disappearance, and all that i had done was *lie innocently*(because i wasn't polite and left a girl on the beach,isn't that the story and the two brothers just went home! that's it!) wouldn't you clear up the lies the 2ND TIME YOU WERE ARRESTED?(not shouting...emphasis)

one more time... Dutch/Aruban law must be respected as it will determine the merits of the case...respected by ALL involved. whether you like it or not....

the family of Natalee lost their child...irrelevant if you like Beth or pass judgment on natalee's behavior...the personalities are irrelevant...waste of time and no bearing on case.

the Mt.Brook Students...whether you like them or not, absolutely should be/should have been interrogated on the record...were they? NO FACTS TO SUPPORT or DISPUTE; any formal statement by FBI? NO.

the public is not aware of the existance of ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE; might there be some? NO FORMAL STATEMENT TO SUPPORT ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

the MEDIA has absolutely exploited this case from day one...surprised?! Controversial cases have thru history drawn much attention...Lindenberg kidnapping, Sam Sheppard Murder case, and the infamous OJ Simpson case....on and on; it is of interest to the masses; just the nature of the beast....

and finally CORRUPTION of law enforcement...good luck proving that......when the case is weak, blame the investigation...that's one theory...PROVE IT; PROVIDE FACTS TO SUPPORT.

bottom line: we are not privy to all the facts in this case, nor should we be according to Dutch/Aruban law. that's it....no one knows where natalee is or what happened to her...but ask yourself this...if the 3/4 suspects had not lied initially and mislead the investigation, and law enforcement could have investigated others (for those who think the 3/4 are guilty of NOTHING)...would we all be here?

Clarification: Joran, Deepak, Satish, and Paulus are all innocent under the law until proven guilty...FACT. If they were absolutely, 100% innocent of any harm to natalee, why where they detained twice and why are they still suspects?(Paulus was cleared) THE CASE BEGAN WITH THEM AND WILL END WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN CLEARED BY THE LAW OR IN TWO YEARS...WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

apologies for all the caps, but can't emphasize any other way....i am as guilty as all here in speculations, etc...but that is all we have...no evidence...God give the family strength, this is hell for them whether you like them or not...and the hell that has been created for the good innocent people of Aruba is a travesty. and why, because a girl disappeared...and the last 3 that were with her lied and mislead the investigation. Period. oh, JMHO......

[INDIANAREDNECK]

Beth was in Hot Springs Arkansas for a family reunion you morons.

[Words]

Twitty grew up in the town of 50,000, the daughter of the late Paul Reynolds, an entrepreneur and nursing home owner, and Ann Reynolds, who worked for a savings and loan company. The family attended the small Methodist church across the street from their home and spent summers at their Hot Springs lake house swimming, boating and skiing.

[iquitos]

and spent summers at their Hot Springs lake house swimming, boating and skiing.

Posted by: Words | Dec 11, 2005 10:21:11 PM

so did they stay at the b&b or the lake house as per vanity fair? why does it matter? did the girls in aruba who clled her call her cell or her home phone. they said they called beth, giving the impression that they reached her. otherwise they would have said they "tried to call Beth".

[iquitos]

Beth was in Hot Springs Arkansas for a family reunion you morons.

Posted by: INDIANAREDNECK | Dec 11, 2005 9:38:21 PM

no morons here. that is what she told vanity fair. she said she was taking a break with some friends. pleased don't shoot the messenger.

[Words]

Beth was in Hot Springs Arkansas for a family reunion you morons.
Posted by: INDIANAREDNECK | Dec 11, 2005 9:38:21 PM

Morons?

Tell that to The Birmingham News who interviewed Beth Twitty.

Tuesday, June 28, 2005
Twitty was on her way home from a family reunion in Arkansas on Memorial Day when she learned her daughter hadn't shown up for the return flight from a graduation trip to Aruba.

That turned out to be a lie.

[Bigfish]

Beth was in Hot Springs Arkansas for a family reunion you morons.

Posted by: INDIANAREDNECK | Dec 11, 2005 9:38:21 PM

Redneck-That wasn't very nice calling people morons. :(

Bigfish

[Honey]

or can you relate to Paulus ...45 and hornier? Your site is a joke ...the place everyone goes for RUMOR and SPECULATION...congrats good job

Posted by: boywonder | Dec 11, 2005 8:10:28 AM

Isn't it time you got over Paul laughing at your sexual advances to him? This 'person' scorned routine is getting old.

[fiery]

You know I was taught something as a child. I was taught that if you always tell the truth, the truth is the truth. If you tell a lie, you have to have an awfully good memory to keep telling that same lie. On both sides of this mess, noone realized this.

[punkingale]

Hasn't any woman posting here ever spent a week-end out of town with a few girlfriends??? It's not unusual. My friends and I try to take a couple of road trips a year together.
Someone named the parents of other children and said they didn't act like Beth. They were at home taking care of their other children. Well, the BIG difference is all those children were found dead and the families were able to bury them. Natalee had not been found, dead or alive. Beth's son, Matt, is 17 years old. I'm sure she's reared him to take care of himself when the going gets tough. What normal 17 year old young man doesn't have his own life??? Stop bashing Beth. Can't you see she's hanging on by a thread?

[Mishy]

I was a big supporter of Beth and family. Why do they constantly lie? Every utterance out of their mouths since the beginning has been lies. I wonder with all the money they've been making, soliciting from the public, if Natalee isn't hidden away (by their own doing) and this is just a big scam for them? I am not even kidding. I read that Jar Twitty, Jug's brother was involved in money-laundering with companies in Venezuela and south america. It was right before Natalee disappeared. Then this multimillion dollar account trust fund is set up at his bank, the one that was laundering money for these companies in south america? What a coincidence. And isn't Beth Twitty making goo-goo eyes at that body-builder Joe Mama from Ohio who gave her money for a reward and threatened the lives of the suspects, even threatened all of Aruba? Wasn't he also investigated for money-laundering since he's a millionaire and he has no business or house in his own name, etc., and wasn't he convicted of nearly killing his ex-wife, and didn't he threaten his stepdaughter with having her gangraped? This is Beth Twitty's new boyfriend?

These people seemed so cool in the beginning, but, they really stink now. Beth twitty seems like she is addicted to fame and being on television.

By the way, what happened with that phony tape Dr. Phil engineered to make it look like Deepak said that they raped Natalee? Why isn't there a public outcry with that?

How come these rich Alabamans are getting away with soliciting millions of dollars from people, and involved with racketeers, left and right? They lie as easily as they breathe, and people still send them money and watch them on television without laughing at them, or rolling their eyes? They're a joke.

That kid either ran away, or they're hiding her to cause this political situation, so they can take advantage of hurting Aruba. While people are boycotting Aruba, they'll be investing in other projects which will benefit them. They are all about themselves, and they are about the most evil people I have ever seen.

[punkingale]

Mishy, get a heart.

Natalee was only going to be gone 5 days. She was having fun. She & Beth didn't need to check in with each other. If something had happened to her flight, Beth would have been the first person to know. Some of you people seem to have to have your noses up somebody's rectum ALL THE TIME!! Ever hear of a little independence?

[Sue]

What the hell difference does it matter where beth was when she took that call that changed her life forever? You guys reach so far out of the circle it is just sick.. I truely believe most of the internet trash rumors they hit the internet start right here. I cant believe the trash that comes out of your mouthes

[danie]

....the relevance of beth being at a bed and breakfast for a family reuinion....effects the case of her missing daughter how?

oh, beth lied or there were discrepencies in her intial story when she found out natalee did not make the plane....right, that horrid *lie* is equivalent to the 3 or 4 suspects, who were last seen with natalee lying to investigators and derailing the case from day one...ok, i get it now......please........

[falcon]

I see some comments on morons who try to help the case using misinformation. I can't object to your use of the term moron. I have been struggling with case misinformation accidental and planted. If that defines moron, it includes me.
The way things are going, the wise guys haven't and aren't going to solve this case. If the Natalee case is to be solved at all, it will be solved by us morons exhausting every possibility and detail which might lead to that one shred of overlooked vital information that will lead investigators to crack the case.

Don't be afraid or disgusted by us morons hitting the ball around. We'll get it. Just relax.

[truthbetold]

Natalee was only going to be gone 5 days. She was having fun. She & Beth didn't need to check in with each other. If something had happened to her flight, Beth would have been the first person to know. Some of you people seem to have to have your noses up somebody's rectum ALL THE TIME!! Ever hear of a little independence?

Posted by: punkingale | Dec 12, 2005 12:33:37 AM

GET A CLUE! you mean tot ell me if your daughter was flying to another country you would nto at least want a phone call saying she got there ok? ???? you must be kidding! My mother IN LAW who I don't even like very much makes me cal her to say I got home from her house safely which is about 15 min away! it is not normal and anyone who isn't hypnotized by beth's spell of lies knows that

[fiery]

You guys can't have it both ways. If the missing young woman and her mom were as close as the aunt and the "missing person's poster" purported them to be then, by deduction, it would be difficult to believe that they had no communication whatsoever for five days while the kid was in a foreign country. It strains credulity. We are not saying it didn't happen but it strains credulity.

[Sue]

For Christ Sakes it wasnt like Natalee went to Aruba by herself she was with 124 class mates and chaprones.. what the hell would she need her mom for.. I have sent my kids on trips longer and never heard from them , they were with classmates and teachers i am not gonna to embarrass them by calling DID YOU GET THERE OK..
That why i paid all the money for them to go there was people there to make sure they were cared for..and when you sign permission slip they only call in case of emergency.. well my kids came home NO NEED TO CALL ME

[shonane]

This is an excerpt from Hyscience blog tonight. I never knew this.

'Were their reports of Natalee, after Joran allegedly left her on the beach? Of course there were. Police Chief Dompig finally broke silence and reported a number of declarations from Holiday Inn and Beach Patrol security personnel that Natalee was reported swimming in the ocean around 3:00 AM. These declarations were ignored, probably under media pressure for a juicy story, as well as, a plethora of bogus reports from the Diario dogs. The truth was suppressed. Americans were fed the sanitized Twitty-Holloway bandwagon storyline. If I might add, the Twitty-Holloway bandwagon was well-organized ... and greased with the financial and political muscle of AmSouth Bank."

Harry on Hyscience talks about the letter tonight, and theorizes that Natalee may have been pregnant when she went to Aruba. I sure hope she wasn't pregnant and drinking heavily everyday. Surely someone this smart would be familiar with the possibility of fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects, even from binge drinking. If she did get pregnant, hope it was after she left Aruba - minus the alcohol.

[fiery]

Posted by: Sue | Dec 12, 2005 1:56:41 AM

Not all mothers are the same. Not all families are the same. This one purported to really, really close. BTW, one of the mothers of a boy on the trip indicated in the newspaper that her son called her from Aruba.

[shonane]

I have heard that BT is a school teacher but no one has ever taken a class from her. The rumor is that her only responsibility was to pick up her paycheck. Interesting that her supervisor happened to be he sister-in-law

Posted by: amber
======================
She is a speech pathologist. They don't teach classes. They work one-on-one or one teacher with a few children, and just with children who have speech and hearing problems. It is a specialized field.

If I were one of her coworkers who had donated my personal leave time so she could continue to get paid to look for Natalee, I would be fed up at this point. She is out looking for someone else and going all over. I suppose if we didn't have to work that a lot of us would like to do things like this too. It seems to me that she is done looking, so I would be surprised if her coworkers donate any more of their leave time.

[letsbefair]

If I were one of her coworkers who had donated my personal leave time so she could continue to get paid to look for Natalee, I would be fed up at this point. She is out looking for someone else and going all over. I suppose if we didn't have to work that a lot of us would like to do things like this too. It seems to me that she is done looking, so I would be surprised if her coworkers donate any more of their leave time.

Posted by: shonane | Dec 12, 2005 2:17:25 AM

If I had $20 million in a trust fund, I don't think I would be going to work any time soon either...

[Sue]

And what gives you the Idea that there is 20 million in a trust fund

[fiery]

It has been posted on the web and not refuted by the family.

[hardyandtiny]

Dan's post about McVay's comment is interesting.

McVay said: "As we were boarding, we called [Holloway's mother] Beth"

McVay's statement looks like they contacted Beth. Usually if someone doesn't actually reach the other person or leaves a message on a machine they will add that point. If McVay doesn't actually know what happened in the call then why is she making the comment?

To say ".....we called Beth" usually means they spoke to Beth. It should definitely be investigated.

Hey, btw, why is this kid referring to another person's mother by first name?

[berry]

Considering the legal age to drink, the handful of so-called chaperones for 120+ kids and the stay of nearly a week, I think there should have been one or two calls.

I think BT enjoyed a false sense of security, because the cousins were there too.

[RJ]

Quit pointing fingers. Every single party involved has something to hide and they ALL think whatever it is is more important than finding Natalee. I have followed this from day one. Sometimes I would read and post every day, but for periods of time I can not even stomache it. It is crazy to me how much energy is wasted laying blame and being offensive to one another here. You are only buying into the madness. Natalee desrerves to be found and laid to rest properly no matter how you feel about her family for it is not them who was murdered. And if you think the ALE should get off scott free what a joke. There is no denying corruption exists everywhere. The Suspects would not be suspects if they were such good boys with pristine reputations.The MB kids a bunch of spoiled selfish children. What do you expect they are teenagers in America. All parties need to have review in selflessness. Especially those Bible Belt Babies.

[bizarre]

Natalee desrerves to be found and laid to rest properly
Posted by: RJ | Dec 12, 2005 9:27:34 AM

RJ, why do you think that she is dead? Why are you devoid of all hope?

[yourestupid]

For Christ Sakes it wasnt like Natalee went to Aruba by herself she was with 124 class mates and chaprones.. what the hell would she need her mom for.. I have sent my kids on trips longer and never heard from them , they were with classmates and teachers i am not gonna to embarrass them by calling DID YOU GET THERE OK..
That why i paid all the money for them to go there was people there to make sure they were cared for..and when you sign permission slip they only call in case of emergency.. well my kids came home NO NEED TO CALL ME

Posted by: Sue | Dec 12, 2005 1:56:41 AM

You should not have children.

[concerned]

francis ellen byrd:we imediately knew something was wrong,because shw was the first one to wake up.And when her roomate knocked on my door and said that they didn't know where she was,we went straight to the chaperone's and they immediately started working on it. quote..

look at this statement?
she was the first one to wake.
she being natalee??

they didn't know where she was..
she being natalee..

does this make sensez??

Posted by: coopason | Dec 11, 2005 12:30:30 PM

I'm sure she meant that Natalee was the one who always woke up first during their trip, not the morning they found her missing.

[jkp6247]

you should take some of the money you spent on sending your kids on trips and spend it on some language classes for yourself Sue. No wonder you let your kids go and dont call them for fear of "embarrasing them". If you love your kids and care for them it won't matter if you embarass them if you are checking on their well-being. You are a poor excuse for a mother.

[red]

you should take some of the money you spent on sending your kids on trips and spend it on some language classes for yourself Sue. No wonder you let your kids go and dont call them for fear of "embarrasing them". If you love your kids and care for them it won't matter if you embarass them if you are checking on their well-being. You are a poor excuse for a mother.

Posted by: jkp6247 | Dec 12, 2005 1:02:58 PM

Are your kids retarded jkp6247? That would be the only reason you'd have to call to check up on them. Give me a freakin break. These kids were 18 years old. What the hell is calling to check up on them from a thousand miles away going to do? Nothing. They are not 10 year olds. You ought to sever the umbilical cord already.

[moey]

Sue/punkingale/red:

Anyone who sends a child off to a foreign country for how many ever days and not have contact with them at least once during that time is off the wall in my book. For Beth to say she didn't know the times and flights in/out of Aruba is crazy. Any mother who sends their child or any family member, no matter what age, has a listing of the inboud/outbound flights, hotel phone numbers, etc. I don't believe for a minute that Beth would not have this information and any other responsible parent would have that type of information -- its just good common sense!

As for where Beth was when she got the call it is important because it appears that she has given a couple of different answers to the question and when pressed further seems to give evasive answers or non-answers.

Again, I don't know what happened to Natalee, but I am leaning more and more towards the fact that she is alive somewhere and is not ready to make that information known. I don't know if it was pre-planned by her or if it was put in motion after she arrived in Aruba, but I think there is a gold mine of information to be found from the MB students and from the Twittys themselves, but I believe they are all locked down and not being fully forthcoming.

Perhaps Joran will someday tell the 'rest of the story,' but for now I think he is going to be quiet. IMHO

[DoorMart]

Dan Riehl is really a 2 bit lawyer working in the Aruba Prosecutors office....

If you think that is nutty...no nuttier than the stuff you say about BHT or NH.

Many spouses go on trips without their spouse.....many of my friends wives and some of my sisters-in-law take such trips. Not unusual for Beth or anyone to take such trips.

Hilarious that the Arubes now claim NH was preggers.....what a desperate bunch of 3d Worlders. Lemme guess...NHs love child is fathered by Paulus...

Speaking of PVDS.....I can safely say he is the culprit. His buddy Steve Cohen is the Arubes new PR man....PVDS wont allow a search of his house (the same was not considered w the security guards).

Actually, this case can be solved real quickly by apprehending PVDS (get some US people to take him under "citizens arrest"). No crime solved..no Paulus. Oh, and Paulus will easily break under pressure. No crime solved...no Paulus

[concerned]

Posted by: kayekaye | Dec 11, 2005 9:30:23 AM

Or perhaps she was told BY NATALEE that she would not be returning to that disturbing household. She was of legal age, and Beth had no say in the matter.

Perhaps she was told Natalee was missing just as she stated. Natalee had too much going for her and her parents loved her way too much for what you are saying to be true.

Now, can you imagine anyone telling Beth that bit of news? You just KNOW she went Beserk. Which is what we know today, it's just that she has managed to spin it to be that of a grieving mother with a 'missing' child.

That's the problem, you ARE imagining things! I'm sure she did go beserk when she found out that her daughter was missing. I know I would if it were my child. By the way, she is a grieving mother and her daughter is missing!

Ever watch Beth's face when she is asked what her last conversation with Natalee consisted of? She squirms, averts her eyes, and totally changes the subject.

I watched the interview and she didn't come across to me as someone who was squirming and avoiding the subject. She simply stated that the conversation wasn't anything out of the ordinary and at 4am there probably wasn't much of a conversation. I'm sure they had many mother/daughter talks prior to her leaving for Aruba because most teens aren't in the mood for talks/questions and lectures on safety at 4 in the morning. I know I can't even speek to my teenager in the mornings until she has been awake for awhile because she is NOT a morning person and is very moody in the mornings when you try and talk to her and she got it from me because I am the same way. Also the interview was only a couple of months after Natalee left and I'm sure she was still very emotional when she spoke of Natalee and their last conversation. Most moms would be.

That tells me a LOT.
Perhaps that is when Natalee sprung it on her.
And maybe that phone call just confirmed it for her.

It tells me alot too. Perhaps that is when she received the call that her daughter was missing in a foreign country.

NO ONE tell beth Twitty what to do.
NO ONE calls the shots for Beth Twitty.

How do you know? You have no idea what this lady is like other than what some haters have posted on here. Until you have a child to vanish without a trace then you have no idea what beth is going through, what her plans are or for that matter if she spoke with her daughter while she was in Aruba. If Beth was vacationing at the same time as Natalee then that would explain why they didn't talk to each other during that time.

For me, the only question that remains is what was going on in that household that made Natalee feel like she had no other choice? Why not just leave and go off to college and forget about them?

For me the only question is why so many of you are hell bent on making Beth and family the bad guys? Because Paulus, Joran and Deepak say so? or because Julia Renfroe and other Aruban citizens say so? You want to go on and on about Beth and her possibly telling a lie but never a word about ALL of the lies told by the suspects. If they had told the truth in the very beginning or at least soon after the case could have possibly been solved by now but they didn't they just kept changing their stories. If they were so innocent they wouldn't have felt the need to tell so many lies. I don't believe the BS about lying so he wouldn't be thought of as less than a gentleman because which do you consider to be worse....admitting to leaving a girl alone on the beach and being less than a gentleman by not walking her back to her room or being suspected of kidnapping, rape and murder?

I have my suspicions, and it ain't pretty.
Jug and Beth better lawyer up.
Natalee is not going to lay low forever.

I too have my suspicions and it ain't pretty either but it's not the same thing you are thinking. You're right they better lawyer up because they are dealing with some bad people here who want to hurt them just like they did Natalee. I wish you did know what you were talking about because it would mean that Natalee was alive and well but unfortunately as we both know that is just YOUR opinion!

Posted by: Words | Dec 11, 2005 11:34:02 AM

[letsbefair]

Hilarious that the Arubes now claim NH was preggers.....what a desperate bunch of 3d Worlders. Lemme guess...NHs love child is fathered by Paulus...

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 12, 2005 1:34:34 PM

Actually Melody (Joran's girlfriend) mentioned the pregnancy a long time ago. The rumor is that she was pregnant BEFORE she got to Aruba. Not from Paulus but a man she met in Alabama that was from Africa.

Or perhaps it was another "immaculate conception", since Beth states unequivocally that Natalee is still a virgin.

[truthbetold]

Are your kids retarded jkp6247? That would be the only reason you'd have to call to check up on them. Give me a freakin break. These kids were 18 years old. What the hell is calling to check up on them from a thousand miles away going to do? Nothing. They are not 10 year olds. You ought to sever the umbilical cord already.

Posted by: red | Dec 12, 2005 1:22:27 PM

ypu people are so stupid - it is not an embarassment to anyone for you to call your child 18 or not who just flew to ANOTHER COUNTRY to ask if they got there safely idiot - any mother or father with decency would do so and any child would call and let them know they were there ok....stop trying to find excuses for beth's bull shit

[brownalmostblackman]

It did not did that he girl was tramutizze by bet twityy and the new father jug twityy a. natolee is aline with the jerrys o faruba.in the wader fish out of wadder, momma bet has lyes in the eyes and she done now to say. the cocopil is not arount the fish today in the wadder. die mudder is in a grope wit the girl frind in the alabammna. and the house of BB, the fadder doe not now it for he is money for her states in allabamnna.

[domino]

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 12, 2005 1:34:34 PM

Actually Melody (Joran's girlfriend) mentioned the pregnancy a long time ago. The rumor is that she was pregnant BEFORE she got to Aruba. Not from Paulus but a man she met in Alabama that was from Africa.

Or perhaps it was another "immaculate conception", since Beth states unequivocally that Natalee is still a virgin.

didn't joran state that she told him she was a virgin too? so now he says shes pregnant? he says jump and everyone says, how high joran?

[iquitos]

Actually, this case can be solved real quickly by apprehending PVDS (get some US people to take him under "citizens arrest"). No crime solved..no Paulus. Oh, and Paulus will easily break under pressure. No crime solved...no Paulus

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 12, 2005 1:34:34 PM

fortunately your methodology is illegal in most of the civilized world.

[letsbefair]

Actually, this case can be solved real quickly by apprehending PVDS (get some US people to take him under "citizens arrest"). No crime solved..no Paulus. Oh, and Paulus will easily break under pressure. No crime solved...no Paulus

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 12, 2005 1:34:34 PM

fortunately your methodology is illegal in most of the civilized world.

Posted by: iquitos | Dec 12, 2005 8:30:01 PM

Believe it or not, the lunatics over at "Scared Monkeys" are actually advocating torture for the Van Der Sloots and Kalpoes. Please, everyone go read it to see what idiots Tom and Red really are...

[punkingale]

OK, Lunatics, I only have two daughters and we are very close. Each went abroad for their Senior trip. One chose Paris and Geneva, the other London, Dublin & Wales. They were gone for two weeks and I didn't hear jack. That was decided before they left. Had there been a emergency or plane crash, I'm sure I would have heard about it. At some point, you have to let go and trust your children. Today, they are both college graduates and in professional jobs. I would NEVER call my kids to check up on them and , yes, I did deserve to have children. They're only ours for a few years, then have to make their own decisions and lives. If my mother-in-la expected me to call her to report in after a 5 minute drive, I'd tell her to get bent!!!