Natalee Holloway: Notes And Observations

Found what I was looking for - whatever it's worth.

I don't know how the story turned into the one about BHT finding out on the road. You can call Tinkerbelle's Bed and Breakfast in Hot Springs, Arkansas and they will confirm this. BHT got the first call (evidently one from a chaperone saying NH was missing) shortly after lunch.

My husband works a night shift so we were asleep in the Kipling room when we heard loud screams and prayers. The couple that run this house ran the house in "Groundhog's Day" and are very religious. They were laying hands on her and telling her that G-d would strenghten her and then she left quickly and the lady of the house cancelled her scheduled appointment qat the Arlington Bath House on bathhouse road.

We didn't understand that this was going to be significant until we came home about 4 days later. Since we sleep until about 2:00 pm we had only seen her and a group of friends at dinner and another night at Coy's Steakhouse.
I don't like to talk a lot about this because I am not the issue. But I assure you that Tinkerbelle's will probably answer your question for legitimacy reasons. They are wonderful people. He's a postaql employee and she's a designer and wonderful host of this four story mansion that had the first running water within hundreds of miles and the best breakfast, bar none.

At most b&b's, there is a lot of privacy as you have your own key and can come and go as you want. So we had a balcony, we smoke (ICKKK!) and we had seen her coming and going but we had not had breakfast with her (main meal) because we slept later than most. She was small and frail looking and we were only told to pray for her daughter (which all of us did) because we thought she had been in an accident. Poor beautiful lady. Inside and out.

Several comments here.

Comments

[hardyandtiny]

"The letter", is kind of like Dr Phil's statement ".....there's a good chance of Natalee being alive...". It's the type of thing that should be kept quiet until it is fully investigated. Just another bad move.

[concerned]

Mrs. Twitty will eventually drop her mask, she's become so addicted to media attention that she will do anything to feed her addiction. The moment when she won't get it anymore (which is near or perhaps already there)she'll really cross the line and tell outright lies. Don't fool yourselves, her lies will be exposed. Public image seems to be her greatest concern. She may care about her daughter but she defames her memory by spitting venom, spinning downright lies and scream false accusations. People like that don't actually bother me, they are trapped in their bubble of false reality. They deserve compassion for their grief and help for their addiction. What DOES bother me however is that so many honest people buy and even eat the crap she sells. Listen to what she says and to the manner in which she does it. Wake up and smell the coffee! Don't let your own emotions get in the way and blur your brain. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the not so pristine professional workings of the Aruban police force. Get real. They don't have the budget nor the experience to go faster. They are doing the best they can. Mrs. Twit has done nothing but frustrating their work. And now she wants to hurt people who don't have anything to do with the disappearence of her daughter. What justice lies in this? None at all. What Christianiry lies in her behavior? None at all. Wake up people. Support the search for her daughter, offer help to those who actually are doing that but stop feeding the addiction needs of this deranged lady.

[hardyandtiny]

Why are so many people concerned about what Beth Holloway says or does?

[mike]

Let's face it, she was literally scouted and kidnapped by white slavers who either hired or coerced three punks to bring fresh meat to the white slave market. How else could Natalee have disappeared so cleanly? I figure that the Dutch kids old man was involved somehow as well and knew just how to cover any tracks that were left.
Here is my scenario:
The three boys were hired or coerced by drug lords or human traffickers to monitor the tourists in Aruba for potential abductions. The 100 kids from Natalee's school were observed by these boys as potential targets for abduction. Of course, young blondes always stand out. I figure that the boys probably fingered several girls but Natalee was the only one stupid enough to go out alone with them.

They tok her out, got her good and drunk, maybe took turns with her, then went to the beach where a boatload of "pirates" came ashore when signaled and they took her away to Venezuela where she was processed and moved again. I hate to say it, but that poor girl has probably been bought and sold a dozen times by now. She is probably somewhere in Saudi Arabia or South America or maybe even dead.

It's so unfortunate to say the least and I feel for her family. A nice young lady with a promising future made one big mistake and it cost her dearly.
I have a daughter her age and I know that I would be going nuts trying to find her. I can only imagine the nightmare her family is going through and I wish them the very best of luck with their search.

[iwabwu]

Now, if we are finding out she was hysterical, then what did she suspect?
She was just being told the kid missed the flight. Why the hysteria?

Posted by: fiery | Dec 11, 2005 3:25:58 AM

Maybe it's just me. I don't think the public has been made aware of all the facts concerning this case.

I know many people who would be concerned if they received a call that their child was missing.

What time was NH's flight? How much time had elapsed since she missed it? Is it possible that the chaperone already made efforts to find her, interviewed the friends, and determinined that something bad may have happened?

That NH didn't just oversleep? She never made it to her bed that night? She didn't fall asleep around the pool?

She was last seen in the company of J2K, 3 locals under circumstances that have raised a lot of questions and commentary?

Just my humble opinion.

[kayekaye]

Now, if we are finding out she was hysterical, then what did she suspect?
She was just being told the kid missed the flight. Why the hysteria?

Posted by: fiery | Dec 11, 2005 3:25:58 AM

Perhaps she was told not only that Natalee had missed her flight, but also that Natalee had never returned to the hotel room the night before.

[berry]

"The letter", is kind of like Dr Phil's statement ".....there's a good chance of Natalee being alive...". It's the type of thing that should be kept quiet until it is fully investigated. Just another bad move.

Posted by: hardyandtiny
_________________________

I meant AR - heh.

Maybe we should be back on Phil's case. What he did is alot worse - if he fudged and manipulated the Skeeters' material to fake a confession.

[DoorMart]

The Beth Bashing hysteria continues!

No one here seems to have any problem w Steve Cohen, buddy of PVDS, now the PR man for Aruba. That is a much bigger issue than anything BHT has done.

This site is nothing more than the Pravda for the Aruban Govt.

Funny that the Beth Bashers have no problem w Joran's actions that nite....Paulus and his comments....or his buddy being the new Aruba PR man.....or the fact they released the tape to Arlene Ellis Schipper...when the Arubes claim "evidence is never released"

Stop bashing Beth. You all look stupid. Trashing the victim's family is only proof positive you are covering up for the perps.

One fact I do know: Paulus Van Der Sloot knows exactly what he did to, and, with Natalee. Its time to rock his world. I wouldnt be surprised he was even setting up Joran to take the fall.

[amber]

Seems like she(BT) lied to make it look like she was heading home to meet her daughters plane. It always seemed strange to me that this "super mom" was going to be out of town when her daughter gets back from a 5 day trip. I thought these two were inseperable. I think this was the first in a long series of lies that have made the mother daughter relationship seem closer than it was.

[Jody]

If you go back to the first days of this investigation, Beth said that she was in Mississippi at a family reunion. Jug is the one who made her out to be a liar on that one and said on Greta(I believe) that she was away in Hot Springs on a girls-only weekend trip. This was Beth's first lie of many.

Why did the MB kids say that one of them called Beth in the early morning hours that Monday while they were boarding the plane? Why would they lie about that?

I have a hard time with the Tinkerbelle B&B story. Why would a frantic mother stop and sing with someone at a piano? That is what really doesn't make any sense.

Anyone with a brain knows that Beth lies like she breathes and at this point, you can't believe a syllable that comes out of her mouth about anything.

[amber]

Doormart:

Some people call lies lies no matter who tells them. You have to wonder why Beth twitty and Co keep changing thier story.

[COLUMBO]

seems the attention given BHT in this board is disproportionate in terms of the case of NH's disappearance, and uncovering that BHT misrepresented which outfit she wore on that day or whatever....is of medial consequence

if she is a media whore, then she is not a good one....I do not know anybody that has ever heard of her before her daughter went missing....to apply this logic exclusively to her and not to people like John Walsh is kind of.....puzzling.....to say the least

To date John's efforts have resulted in 870 fugitives being captured...if BHT's motivation leads her in this direction, then more power to her

[newsjunkie]

Check out what this crazy dream guy has on his dream prediction site...Im not saying I believe him....Just thought I'd share....

PASTED FROM HIS SITE (brianspredictions.com)From two different "so called" dreams he had this month...

DREAM 1
This took me some time to figure out, and from what I can tell, I think its about missing person Natalie Holloway, and I think she is alive, which totally contradicts a dream a had a month ago or so. This say "Nate" was sold for $500 USD to a man drawn above, she is now in Barranquila Colombia? (not sure if this is a real place yet). She's staying in a hotel room #17, and I think the hotel may be called Juan Mina. She has not been harmed, and I do not think she is being held there against her will...this may not be Natalie Holloway...but its worth checking out.

DREAM 2
Missing person Natalie Holloway was planning on meeting a man named "J.J." for several months before she went missing. This man lives in Barranquilla Colombia, and that's where she is right now. She is staying in a hotel called Juan Mina, and is not being held against her will. The hotel room was confirmed by one of my readers today...

[newsjunkie]

brianprediction without an s on the end...

[beetoven]

You haveta remember that alot of the lies were created to make the 3 boys talk or for the reward. For instance the one that saw them throw her in the dump, and the one that mentioned a shoe, so they drained the lake. Some lies were created by the media or Beth to make the boys talk, for instance Joran saying Depek killed and buried her. etc. It's just common USA law to use lies to get one of them to talk. Since, no one could get to Joran, because he was in jail, "they" make up stuff that might get back to one of the boys, so one will talk.
That's why after all the facts were out I stopped keeping up with this story, cuz then your brain just gets overloaded with a bunch of worthless crap that don't mean anything.
Conclusion of this story is she's alive and was taken somewhere or the boys killed her. For me it's easy. There is two conclusions to this story and since no one had enough evidence to keep the boys put away and no body, then that only leaves, that shes been taken off that island. Is so easy for me to end this story till somthing solid comes up. Can't understand why it isn't easy for the rest of you.

[COLUMBO]

Alison DuBois (Medium):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/

[007]

this is where she is , but mom dont want her to be found anywhere , cause all her donations and fame and attention will end.
this is just a case of a sick family, ALL ALCOHOLICS, WHO LOST CONTROL OF THE REALLITY. LIKE I SAID FROM DAY ONE , THIS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY....!!!!
THIS FAMILY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED IN AL BY FBI, ARUBAN AND DUTCH POLICE TO PUT AN END TO THIS B.S.

[Cheri]

In looking back, I have seen many cases where the truth is bent/twisted or ignored by the Twittys....

I think one thing that happened is that from day one they had the use of Marcia Twitty with 23 years in the PR biz...they made some calculated decisions how to "spin" this story to preserve Natalies rep, their rep, the MB rep, and to gain maximum sympathy and help from the Public

and I do think this was done with the goal of finding Natalee...they were frantic, they want her back

but the end result is ....many loose ends, many "oddities">>> the story of say Taylor Behl, was more honest, less scripted, Janet did not have the use of a PR person to "spin" for her, usually only celebs, politicians have their own PR person

The scripts/ideas/limits that Marcia put on made for an odd feel from the start>> ie, the truly ODD way her classmates acted/talked...no tears/no hugging, no hysteria....they were very restrained and .."scripted"..

I can imagine them changing other little details too for sympathy...."oh instead of saying you were off with your girlfriends for R and R and fun, say you were at a FAMILY reunion..."

"tell them you were so upset you drove 120 mph...that will show people how much you care">>

there is always a certain ....scripted ...aura...Beth has gotten good at mediaspeak .."Well at this time Greta, I don't think I should say"...."you know, Greta"..etc..

I think that many many aspects were slightly altered...and now we are seeing that

and from the start they wanted to show that Natalee was a "good/virgin" girl, and even spun the "graduated with honors"..which was false, and later dropped

I think that there would have been public sympathy if they had just been straightforward, but now the spin is catching up to them...JMO

[Words]

Perhaps she was told not only that Natalee had missed her flight, but also that Natalee had never returned to the hotel room the night before.

Posted by: kayekaye | Dec 11, 2005 9:30:23 AM

Or perhaps she was told BY NATALEE that she would not be returning to that disturbing household. She was of legal age, and Beth had no say in the matter. Now, can you imagine anyone telling Beth that bit of news? You just KNOW she went Beserk. Which is what we know today, it's just that she has managed to spin it to be that of a grieving mother with a 'missing' child.

Ever watch Beth's face when she is asked what her last conversation with Natalee consisted of? She squirms, averts her eyes, and totally changes the subject.

That tells me a LOT.
Perhaps that is when Natalee sprung it on her.
And maybe that phone call just confirmed it for her.
NO ONE tell beth Twitty what to do.
NO ONE calls the shots for Beth Twitty.

For me, the only question that remains is what was going on in that household that made Natalee feel like she had no other choice? Why not just leave and go off to college and forget about them?

I have my suspicions, and it ain't pretty.
Jug and Beth better lawyer up.
Natalee is not going to lay low forever.

[Words]

If Natalee indeed did contact Beth afterwards via a phone call, as was stated by 2 independant witness', and Beth continued this charade, and if that phone call didn't stop the nonsense, and then if Natalee contacted others via a letter, then Natalee can not be held responsible (legally, morally, or finacially) for this charade,(like the runaway bride) but Beth and Jug can.

[Words]

Conclusion of this story is she's alive and was taken somewhere or the boys killed her. For me it's easy. There is two conclusions to this story and since no one had enough evidence to keep the boys put away and no body, then that only leaves, that shes been taken off that island. Is so easy for me to end this story till somthing solid comes up. Can't understand why it isn't easy for the rest of you.

Posted by: beetoven | Dec 11, 2005 11:11:18 AM

No there is another scenario that you have apparently discounted for some unknown reason. Natalee left on her own free will.

[lotusjani_33]

All you are a bunch of vultures coming to conclusions about this poor woman. Dirty minded and mean. Smearing her reputation and whatever she did or does, its nobody's business. All she wants to do is find her daughter, dead or alive.
Why instead you don't compose some prayers for the closure of this sad case.? I hope you do not call yourself Christians because you sure do not sound like it. Making up so many stories over a phone call. The sure thing is that her daughter dissappeared and four creeps know what happen to the girl. Period. Go make some cookies or something.

[Words]

All you are a bunch of vultures coming to conclusions about this poor woman. Dirty minded and mean. Smearing her reputation and whatever she did or does, its nobody's business. All she wants to do is find her daughter, dead or alive.
Why instead you don't compose some prayers for the closure of this sad case.? I hope you do not call yourself Christians because you sure do not sound like it. Making up so many stories over a phone call. The sure thing is that her daughter dissappeared and four creeps know what happen to the girl. Period. Go make some cookies or something.

Posted by: lotusjani_33 | Dec 11, 2005 11:56:11 AM

Christian? You call the behavior of that family "Christian".
You call the behavior of those that demand horrible things happen to these boys, where there is NO evidence of harm, "Christians". In my world anyone that calls themselves "Christians" are hypocrits. The Twittys just reinforce it.

Our conclusions are based on the facts, not the lies that are being fed to us by the Twitty's and Greta, et al. We, the public, have been sadly underestimated by the Marcia's Beth's, Greta's, Rita's, and Nancy's of this world. Initially we did 'believe'. Then the lies came. Well, as Beth herself has stated (in referencing the boys) if you need to lie, then you are hiding something. Greta is in this charade up to her neck as well. I can not wait to hear that tape. The original- not the manipulated one.

Dirty minded and mean?
I gotta tell ya- Whatever she did or does, IS my business.
She took it there the moment she played on the public's emotions, and the minute she decided to take money for this charade. It is definetely my business.

All she wants to do is find her daughter, dead or alive- Yes. so that she can get to her first before a good journalist does. (That would not be Greta, etc.) She tried to get a death certificate on the 10th, why would she do that so early on in the case if she was truly looking for her "alive"?

[newsjunkie]

yah really, who gives a crap about it anymore until some facts come up...

[wreck]

She asked for a death certificate so that they could legally file rape charges on her behalf. Nothing more - nothing less. Just tell me what she has purposely "LIED" about. She may have some facts wrong (allegedly), or misspoke -- but I don't see she has purposely lied. Everyone here accuses Beth of lying because her story is different than their own perceptions. Fact is -- NO ONE here knows what the TRUE facts are -- only regurgitated drivel from the media whom themselves don't know -- only speculation.
Hate Beth all you want - that is your right.
For me, I will continue to look for what really happened -- and leave the rumor mongering, mis-informed hateful accusations to you all. JMO!

[coopason]

francis ellen byrd:we imediately knew something was wrong,because shw was the first one to wake up.And when her roomate knocked on my door and said that they didn't know where she was,we went straight to the chaperone's and they immediately started working on it. quote..

look at this statement?
she was the first one to wake.
she being natalee??

they didn't know where she was..
she being natalee..

does this make sensez??

[angela]

All you are a bunch of vultures coming to conclusions about this poor woman. Dirty minded and mean. Smearing her reputation and whatever she did or does, its nobody's business. All she wants to do is find her daughter, dead or alive.
Why instead you don't compose some prayers for the closure of this sad case.? I hope you do not call yourself Christians because you sure do not sound like it. Making up so many stories over a phone call. The sure thing is that her daughter dissappeared and four creeps know what happen to the girl. Period. Go make some cookies or something.

Posted by: lotusjani_33 | Dec 11, 2005 11:56:11 AM

Excuse me, SHE had made it everyone's business. She cannot go on TV every stinking night and spew hatred towards an entire nation and then expect it to be nobody's business. If what is going here is nobody's business, why are YOU here reading?

[angela]

Alison DuBois (Medium):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/

Posted by: COLUMBO | Dec 11, 2005 11:18:07 AM

If this woman knows what happened to Natalee, then she needs to tell the family how to find her. While she is at it, she needs to find every missing person. The woman is a fruitcake.

[newsjunkie]

yah they are just guessing like everyone else

[Words]

She asked for a death certificate so that they could legally file rape charges on her behalf. Nothing more - nothing less. Just tell me what she has purposely "LIED" about. She may have some facts wrong (allegedly), or misspoke -- but I don't see she has purposely lied. Everyone here accuses Beth of lying because her story is different than their own perceptions. Fact is -- NO ONE here knows what the TRUE facts are -- only regurgitated drivel from the media whom themselves don't know -- only speculation.

Oh Contraire'.
The lies are when directly comparing Beth's own statements.
And you don't ask for a death certificate (on Day 10 especially)"so that they could legally file rape charges on her behalf". That is absurd!
You don't need a death certificate to file rape charges- you need evidence!

[k.jeanne]

Good Heavens! Have you never heard of women friends taking a trip together? There may have been good shopping in that area, or they all just needed to get away from cooking and have someone cook for them. Or perhaps they went for spa treatments. How can anyone think this is weird or for some clandestine reason? They chose a highly reputable place to stay. Because minds like to jump to the worst thoughts, no one seems to notice that bit of information, or that the woman writing the account made NO mention of seeing Beth in any compromising situations.

[wreck]

Oh Contraire'.
The lies are when directly comparing Beth's own statements.
And you don't ask for a death certificate (on Day 10 especially)"so that they could legally file rape charges on her behalf". That is absurd!
You don't need a death certificate to file rape charges- you need evidence!

Posted by: Words | Dec 11, 2005 1:06:14 PM
You do in Aruba/Netherlands. It is my understanding that the request for death certificate was in July. Again, it is YOUR speculation not the facts.

[Jody]

I can't imagine a mother asking for a death certificate for her child when there is no evidence that she is dead. Beth was the one who was on TV every night in July and long after still looking for Natalee. If she is looking for her, why the great haste to declare her dead?

I am guessing there is a very hefty life insurance policy somewhere taken out by either Jug or Beth.

[wreck]

I can't imagine a mother asking for a death certificate for her child when there is no evidence that she is dead. Beth was the one who was on TV every night in July and long after still looking for Natalee. If she is looking for her, why the great haste to declare her dead?
~~~~~~~~~~~
I told you why, but people just assume the worse. Without a person being declared dead, only a live person can file rape charges. According to statements that Beth says she saw and translated by Dutch attorneys -- Joran admitted to having sex w/ Natalee and also Joran admitted she "was in and out of sleep". If she could not "consent" -- it is rape. Thus Beth wanted to file rape charges. You can assume all YOU want. That doesn't make it so.

[COLUMBO]

"You don't need a death certificate to file rape charges- you need evidence!"

You need a victim...you would either need NH or documentation that she's deceased

[COLUMBO]

Alison DuBois (Medium):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/

If this woman knows what happened to Natalee, then she needs to tell the family how to find her. While she is at it, she needs to find every missing person. The woman is a fruitcake.

Actually this woman has been quite successful in resolving cases, and is an investigator that has had a career working in a DA office. Her record suggests that she's anything but a fruitcake. Her work and abilities were scientifically studied over several years at a prominent university.

[moey]

Interesting posts. I don't know why Beth was at a B&B, I can't imagine going to one with anyone but my husband, but that's just me. I certainly wouldn't pick one as a place to go with a group of girlfriends!

Whether this B&B person's story holds up, who knows. There is a lot of stuff coming out now. I have always felt that everyone gave the MB families, kids, school, everyone a big pass in the beginning. I never read about any really hardball questions being asked of anyone and Beth has a real knack for diverting answers to more in-depth questions, the few that have been asked her.

I think there is a lot more to this event than the three boys and Paul VDS. I think they know more, but are not talking perhaps because Natalee asked them not to share her plans.

Obviously they will be able to check the phone records of the B&B and find out if phone calls came in that morning for Beth and what numbers/locations they came from. Certainly her cell phone records must have been checked early on, even though I've never heard any evidence about what they showed.

I don't know about death certificates being required in order to file rape charges in Aruba/Holland, but it doesn't seem to make locial sense to me. I would think the one thing you need to make a rape charge stick is the victim, whether he/she is dead or alive. I wouldn't take for truth anything the three boys have said over the past few months as I think it is all smoke screens.

I think all of the other wild goose chases the investigators private and otherwise have been sent on are all part of 'smoke and mirrors.'

If Natalee is alive, she will probably come forward when she feels the time is right. If something else happened to her then I don't think we will ever know until someday Joran decides to tell the piece that he does know.

In the meantime I feel that Beth needs to go back to MB and take care of her family and get back to teaching school, praying for Natalee's safe return ever day and providing the FBI and other authorities with every scrap of information she can come up with so they can do their jobs, but she definitely needs to back off as she is and has not been coming off very sincere. As for Jug, he is a whole other story and I don't think it is a pretty one. IMHO

[scubajap]

Anyway....as for the Natalee story.....who knows what to believe anymore. I think everyone is lying. So much drama, so much BS. If this story was submitted to "Lifetime" for a movie, it would be rejected for being too unrealistic!

Posted by: Muirnin | Dec 11, 2005 3:03:39 AM

That's it in a nutshell. The operative word here is "nut" as in Nutty, crazy, weird, surreal and just about any other word you can think of to describe the undbelievable.

[amber]

I have heard that BT is a school teacher but no one has ever taken a class from her. The rumor is that her only responsibility was to pick up her paycheck. Interesting that her supervisor happened to be he sister-in-law

[scubajap]

Alison DuBois (Medium):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/

If this woman knows what happened to Natalee, then she needs to tell the family how to find her. While she is at it, she needs to find every missing person. The woman is a fruitcake.

Actually this woman has been quite successful in resolving cases, and is an investigator that has had a career working in a DA office. Her record suggests that she's anything but a fruitcake. Her work and abilities were scientifically studied over several years at a prominent university.

Posted by: COLUMBO | Dec 11, 2005 1:53:19 PM
oh please, do you know how many psychics they have brought in on this already?
I serously doubt one more will make a difference.

[COLUMBO]

oh please, do you know how many psychics they have brought in on this already?
I serously doubt one more will make a difference.

.....depends on what you mean by make a difference....if you mean that no psychic has reinforced any of the speculation in this forum, then I would have to agree

as far as making a difference with respect to the investigation, I'd say that if you read the transcript carefully, Alison already has

[26ANDCOUNTING]

Posted by: wreck | Dec 11, 2005 12:25:12 PM

That regurgitated drivel the media spews comes from Beth. That is where all their info comes from Wreck. There aren't any reporters from Fox or any of the cable outlets on the island anymore. The info they get is from interviewing Beth and getting her perception of what is going on in Aruba and regurgitates it to us.

[bizarre]

These two posts were on Harry Tho:

Since they were so genuine thought I would let you guys see them.

Tell me, would you just give up after 2 weeks after your daugher disappeared, and bury her in your heart? Or w/o any body found, would YOU still have HOPE, that she is somewhere, anywhere? How about leaving an island, 2.5 months later, the place where your daughter went missing from? Or would you remain there, and keep the search? Keep working with the authorities, not against them, in helping to find out what happened?

Posted by: Donna at December 11, 2005 12:40 PM

My daughter was killed 3 years ago, and I have still not buried her in my heart. I still turn corners expecting to see her, still pick up the phone expecting it to be her, still walk down the street and see someone with hair like hers and start to call out her name. No, I'm not crazy, just still feel her presence. I was at the funeral, saw the casket, but in my heart she is alive. I have not buried her in my heart.

I'm sorry, but I have to say I agree with others who say that Beth seems all about Beth, not Natalee. She seems to really enjoy the limelight.

Po

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http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/12/harrytho_129_na.php#more

[RealityBased]

Alison DuBois (Medium):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10283432/

Posted by: COLUMBO | Dec 11, 2005 11:18:07 AM

I don't see where she has given any information that can resolve this case. If she is as good as she claims to be where is the evidence? She should be able to come up with particulars and those particulars should lead to finding evidence and with the evidence could possibly come resolution to this. She has done nothing but rehash everything that has been stated by the Twitty's.

It would seem to me that if someone were truly psychic that everyone who professed to be would come up with the same scenario...so far I haven't seen that.

[COLUMBO]

there are several with stark similarities....but, unfortunately, none are attributing NH's murder to her mother

[truthbetold]

more changing stories....what next? was thias a made up planned lie from the start? i think so......I always thought it odd that beth was out of town without her husband and son the same exact time natalee went away......also that beth claims she didn't even knwo what time natalees flights were or that she had not had one call from her the whole trip nor had sghe tried to call natalee even at her hotel just to make sure her plane got there safely and she was ok - I don;t know a mom out there who would not want at the VERY LEAST a call saying their child arrived safely from their flight......but beth did not even try to call her which could have been easily done

[antoinette]

What about Beth knowing where Natalee is all along this time, and that is why she is is far away from there: and gets so upset to answer questions from MB???

[texas05]

you all really think that beth and her husband planned this???

[antoinette]

Yeap! ONLY speculation, but look Letters came from the place that Beth was when she received the notice.
Then there were medjet and the private jet from the friends. Do not think they checked them.
Then VERY seldom we have seen Beth in her home.
Is there is a complication with the delivery, They might know a Obs. there.
Very odd, she has not return home or just for a while, presents her bedroom and she goes along with the cameras. Jug I have not heard from him, the brother??? just smelly!!!!

[George]

you all really think that beth and her husband planned this???

Posted by: texas05 | Dec 11, 2005 6:45:44 PM

I personally doubt that Beth took part in advance planning of a scam.