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Thanks Dan

Bigfish

So does this jibe with what you thought you knew before or what? To me, it doesn't just sound like a "proposed" confession merely tendered by the investigators for Joran to sign. It tends to back up Beth's allegations (IMO)! It sounds like an actual statement by Joran and ALE acted upon it thusly by taking him to the beach.

Yeah, thanks Dan, and we know you don't feel well too.

So, the alleged deposition, in Dutch, wasn't encrypted?

just when you think it couldn't get stranger, lol
thanks a bunch dan
afmomx3

Joran A.P. van der Sloot” stated that he probably knew the place were his fellow suspect “Deepak Sharma Kalpoe

he stated that he thought that

A confession of what he thought might have happened? There is not one fact that he stated other than he left NH on the beach.

IMO they were trying to see if he was going to feel the pressure and tell them the way it happened , but they were not lucky because he did not signed or confirmed anything, otherwise this document will be arranged according to new story.
This kid did not do anything, after almost 3 months and 4 days in jail, questioning, pushing him, arresting the father, the friends, and no one word??? It goes also for the Kalpoes, they were only at the wrong place with the evil people.
I hope Natalee is doing fine.

Dan,
We don't seem to be able to get our trackback through to you.

So does this jibe with what you thought you knew before or what?

This is precisely what I thought before - the document came from hours of interrogation, not to mention Kalpoe and VdS being pitted aganist one another - which is a standard technique.

What I would like to know about is: break in at the hut - the jogger with a criminal record for sexual assault - Joran's shoes, IF there is a pair missing - I'm not sure. And if the timeline for him that night can't be established - if he really walked home. Answers to those questions might mean somehting. Most everything else is probably BS.

It was a technique my dear Dan just like the Arm in Venezuela. To shake Joran up to confess. The statement was never signed and the source is those very names that you mentioned on the above document.

Jogger is/was a sex offender and since the island is small, he was the first to come to the minds of many. Tips were coming in naming the Jogger as the perp. The Jogger denied being there, each and everytime he volunteered to go in.

Dan, until that VF article came out, I thought it was established that Joran text messaged Deepak at 3 am. Surely that can be traced, whether from a computer or a cell phone - not sure if the exact point if from a cell.

The sneakers - would he have taken them off on the beach?

The jogger with the criminal record for sexual assault I knew nothing about until this morning.

Fill me in.... did they ever actually identify and talk to this jogger? How do they know he had a record for sexual assault? If they brought him in, why wasn't he held on suspicion just like Joran, Deepak, and Satish?

Tonight I watched a true story about the mind of a serial killer. Funny, but he said as part of his denial and defense, "that he left her(the girl he murdered) sitting on the front porch around 1 in the morning."

Is there a pattern to these guys? Also it appears that the killer "usually" is the last person known to be with or seen with the person.

History repeats itself..and what about profiling does it match. Curious days these.


so would the suspect normally have signed a statement like this? And why isn't this one signed? could it be that this was just a ploy by the investigating officers to try to get Joran to implicate Deepak?

Wreck,

When someone goes to jail on an island less than the employees at Disney World, everyone knows everyone's business. If I spray painted somebodies car when I was 9, every time a car was damaged they would look for me.

geez...document signed by investigating officers, but joran wouldn't sign/didnt sign...why wouldn't he? what does he have to fear from deepak? joran and dad have more clout...speculation(like everything involving this case): if deepak had incriminating evidence of joran's involvement in nh death/disappearance....would that prevent joran from signing statement?

WHY WOULD JORAN STAY IN JAIL WHILE DEEPAK WAS FREE AND NOT SIGN A STATEMENT IMPLICATING DEEPAK? (apologies...not yelling, only emphasizing)

regarding letter from natalee to pvds...you gotta be kidding me....lol....bizarro world!

The letter that is supposed to be from Natalee to PVDS is interesting. Wonder where the post mark is from. If there is an actual DNA match, then it has to be from her or someone who has access to her DNA. And I'll bet there will be a match or the person who wrote it would not have suggested that it be tested for Natalee's DNA. But why would Natalee send a letter to PVDS of all people? How would she even know his address? This is really weird. And why would someone else who had access to her DNA send this letter, if it isn't her?

shonane...excellent questions...just all too bizarre! for dan to post it though...wish we could ask who the source was and why it was released....bizarre!

Danie, ---- JORAN NEVER said those things about Deepak, the detectives suggested it, he said ok, it could have happened that way, sign here...

When someone goes to jail on an island less than the employees at Disney World, everyone knows everyone's business.
Posted by: Gigi Ola | Dec 10, 2005 12:43:17 AM
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gigi ola....i never could imagine how the entire population of the island didn't know what happened in this case; not being accusatory, just can't fathom that everyone doesn't have at least an idea of what happened.....JMHO

JORAN NEVER said those things about Deepak, the detectives suggested it, he said ok, it could have happened that way, sign here...

Posted by: Gigi Ola | Dec 10, 2005 1:07:05 AM

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you're right...thanks for clarification; reading comprehension not so good...blame it on the flu...lol...can't think straight; this article threw me....better read it again...thanks gigi!

Danie,

I agree with you! If something happened to Natalee by the hands of a local, I believe that everyone would know. At least for the next two weeks or so, I will believe the letter that she is alive and if it is not, will go back to square one- the trio.

gigi....any thoughts on why the letter would go to pvds? so bizarre....also, to watch this happening to her family, the good people of aruba, etc.....sorry...keep saying bizarre...lol...can't think of another word to describe!

"And why would someone else who had access to her DNA send this letter, if it isn't her?"

Perhaps someone with her DNA actually helped in the crime, and now he's trying to divert attention away from himself and his son by claiming he received this letter from Natalee.

I just saw the Rita show where they talked about the letter. It was not some big announcement, the host asked about it and Cohen related the story. They don't seem to think its authentic but are testing it anyway. I don't think if NH was going to reveal she is alive and well she would pick PVS to send the letter to. JMO of course.

The letter is postmarked Arkansas, and the letter states that a copy was sent to both the FBI (which explains the wording on their web site) and BETH TWITTY. Natalee got the Van der Sloot address right from the public directory available online. If Beth got a copy of this letter and kept it a secret....shazam.

Perhaps someone with her DNA actually helped in the crime, and now he's trying to divert attention away from himself and his son by claiming he received this letter from Natalee.

Posted by: david r | Dec 10, 2005 1:28:57 AM

Given the fact that your suspicion is the most natural thing to conclude IMO PVDS is not stupid enough to get himself and his son into more trouble by fabricating the letter.

Perhaps someone with her DNA actually helped in the crime, and now he's trying to divert attention away from himself and his son by claiming he received this letter from Natalee.

Posted by: david r | Dec 10, 2005 1:28:57 AM

Given the fact that your suspicion is the most natural thing to conclude IMO PVDS is not stupid enough to get himself and his son into more trouble by fabricating the letter.

Posted by: hope_for_natalee | Dec 10, 2005 1:37:09 AM

It didn't take long for the "hang Joran crowd" to blame this one on him too...

I don't think if NH was going to reveal she is alive and well she would pick PVS to send the letter to. JMO of course.

Posted by: chance | Dec 10, 2005 1:32:30 AM

Well in the rare situation that if Natalee is indeed alive and in the states sending the letter to PVDS would exonerate him and his son which does make sense to me as something that Natalee could possibly have done

The letter is postmarked Arkansas, and the letter states that a copy was sent to both the FBI (which explains the wording on their web site) and BETH TWITTY. Natalee got the Van der Sloot address right from the public directory available online. If Beth got a copy of this letter and kept it a secret....shazam.

Posted by: mustymark | Dec 10, 2005 1:33:44 AM
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Where did you get this information?

I got this information from an Aruban who knew about the letter as other's did and were not releasing the information until after it had been tested. Sadly Jane brought the letter up first and Croes went with it. The letter stated that there is DNA and fingerprints on it to verify that it is her. Now that the word is out no harm in my saying so.

I have always stated that Natalee is alive. IF it is true that Beth also got a letter, then she is a much bigger liar and thief than we can imagine.

I got this information from an Aruban who knew about the letter as other's did and were not releasing the information until after it had been tested. Sadly Jane brought the letter up first and Croes went with it. The letter stated that there is DNA and fingerprints on it to verify that it is her. Now that the word is out no harm in my saying so.

I have always stated that Natalee is alive. IF it is true that Beth also got a letter, then she is a much bigger liar and thief than we can imagine.

Posted by: mustymark | Dec 10, 2005 1:50:04 AM

That would definately explain Dompig's "scam" comments.

The letter is postmarked Arkansas, and the letter states that a copy was sent to both the FBI (which explains the wording on their web site) and BETH TWITTY. Natalee got the Van der Sloot address right from the public directory available online. If Beth got a copy of this letter and kept it a secret....shazam.

Posted by: mustymark | Dec 10, 2005 1:33:44 AM


That would explain why the FBI has kept quiet about this case. That would explain a lot actually.

LBF...it does explain a lot, but it does NOT explain Beth. I believe that there is nothing that can explain HER. It is possible that Natalee did not send the same letter to all three. That is one thing I am a bit cloudy on. If she did not tell her mother (and I bet she did not) that she had sent a letter to the FBI and PVDS she allowed her mother to continue to make a fool of herself....and even heighten the chances that Beth may end up in jail for fraud. (can I be on the jury?) Greta does not know the bit about the letter being sent to Beth. All that information did not come out on her show but is something known to the Arubans in the know...Why Jane brought it up now is a mystery to all who were sworn to silence until after the testing, but it's out now. And Beth is on her way DOWN. I do know that there are details in the letter, personal things, that would only be known to Natalee. I do not know what they are.

musty,

I disagree about explaining Beth. Beth has been lying constantly for a very long time about this case. The only thing that makes sense is that she KNOWS Natalee ran away, or she's just a pathological liar.

What doesn't add up about the letter is that if Natalee was living in Arkansas this whole time, I find it hard to believe that no one would recognize her. And wouldn't they have a claim to the million dollar reward?

Posted by: mustymark | Dec 10, 2005 2:08:28 AM

Do you know when the letter was sent? I've heard December and also September. That Cohen guy didn't think it amounted to much. If the letter was actually sent to the 3 places you mentioned it would definitely be more believable. I'll bet it is just some hoaxer though.

What doesn't add up about the letter is that if Natalee was living in Arkansas this whole time, I find it hard to believe that no one would recognize her. And wouldn't they have a claim to the million dollar reward?

Posted by: letsbefair | Dec 10, 2005 2:20:32 AM
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Ha! I never thought of that for some reason LBF. At this point NH is probably one of the most recognizable people in the US. That doesn't make sense. Unless she is staying in the basement somewhere - and who would she be staying with? Didn't the family have some connection to Arkansas in the past?

On the BHS forum is a thread with pictures of Natalee. Someone photoshopped different hairstyles and haircolors. Everyone is out looking for a girl/woman with long blond hair, so it is easy to overlook the shorthaired brunette or the curly red!

Just a thought!

I must apologize. I didn't see the pics on the BHS forum, but on the scrux forum. In one of the pics Natalee looks very much like Chelsea Clinton I think. Anyway for thos interested her is the link:

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=5

NO f***in way Nat wrote a letter Someone is playing a sick F***in Joke and trying to push the story off that island

i'm not surprised by the letter. i'm surprised there have not been more. every nut case from around the globe has heard about this case. everyone on all sides have received phone calls, threats, hoaxes etc. it's just one more thing to take time away from the people trying to solve the case.

Does someone know if the letters are handwritten?

Ok, let's say Natalee is in Arkansas and did write the letters. How did Natalee get back into the United States without a passport or Identification? I would also like to know if the letters were handwritten? If she is alive and was gang raped - should we be looking for a pregnant disguised Natalee that would be due in February? This is beyond sad and bizarre.

cohen said it was a typed letter sent to pvs in september.

Given the fact that your suspicion is the most natural thing to conclude IMO PVDS is not stupid enough to get himself and his son into more trouble by fabricating the letter.

Posted by: hope_for_natalee | Dec 10, 2005 1:37:09 AM

LOL It's clear he is the only one with access to her DNA....you know killers ...sometimes they like to keep a souvenir

This is just more of the BS coming from Aruba

Why would Natalee write PVDS? At most she knew him for a few minutes, if she really met him at all

If the letter is really "existing".....how did PVDS get Natalee's DNA?? Which means either the Arubes handed him case evidence (which they claim they cannot release evidence) or PVDS was involved in Natalee's victimization in some way.

Of course, since Steve Cohen, who is a buddy of PVDS, is involved....this sounds more like a BS cover up of the VDS

Its time we send in some real Marines, US Marines, and straighten every thing out. Aruba needs to be ridded off this planet

Why would Natalee write PVDS? At most she knew him for a few minutes, if she really met him at all
Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 10, 2005 8:51:21 AM

BINGO!! We got a winner!! Do you think Joran intorduced Natalee to his Dad(you know..the polite Joran) or do you think Paulus just picked her out at the Hoiday Inn Casino and Joran (the pimp) delivered her with the help of the cabbies to him?

Ya know the funniest thing about this letter? It was sent from a home grown crazy right here in the good ole US of A.. Everyone loves to talk about how bad the Arubans are and we have some AMERICAN playing a sick joke.. But lets keep putting Aruba down..

Its time we send in some real Marines, US Marines, and straighten every thing out. Aruba needs to be ridded off this planet

Posted by: DoorMart | Dec 10, 2005 8:51:21 AM


Hahaha...um sure, right after they clean up Fallujah, they can get cracking on solving this missing persons case. Then maybe they can solve the other missing person cases. They can go alphabetically. Start in Alabama.

Steve Cohen is American. So I guess that would mean that this mass conspiracy and cover-up includes the good ole USA. Are we adding the US to the boycott?

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