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As thorough as Jossy Mansur's snout-for-smut is portrayed, how come we are just hearing about a complaint filed against Jug Twitty for physical abuse of an island editor? I read the Vanity Fair brief on Dan Riehl's site, and can't help but wonder why i... [Read More]

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Oh my, a crack in the window. Yes ! Now for more cracks to follow enabling all the tinted glass to completely fallout of the window frame -revealing....drum roll....THE TRUTH !

It is good to see the truth start to come out regarding the Twitty's

Well this little bombshell is certainly completely different than what the Twitts have been putting out there since June 1st - probably a little closer to the truth than those Stepford MB teens that Beth wanted us to believe in - not even invited back again to the Holiday Inn - interesting, drinking all day, room hopping - all sounds pretty normal to me!

Beth is one entitled woman. She is working on a secret mission...how second grade does that sound!!! She and Jug are made for each other, with her secret mission and his news that will shock the world. Both are BS!!

I do believe Joran has psychopatic features. But he sure is not the only psycho in this case!

Many of us have long had strong suspicions about the true character of the Twittys. Burrough brings the evidence needed to substantiate what I personally have believed about Jug and Beth for a long time.

Beth showed herself as a liar long ago when describing the circumstances that brought Greta and her to the van der Sloot home: Beth telling an interviewer that they found themselves at the van der Sloot home totally by accident on that day, whereas Greta, unbeknownst to Beth obviously, disclosed that Beth told her in the morning she wanted to go to the van der Sloot house to confirm certain things. It was the first blatant lie I'd caught her in; it was not the last and Burrough has exposed others in his article.

It becomes more obvious every day that J2K's don't have a monopoly on LYING. The plot thickens! The Twitty vortex appears to be headed for self destruction.

How can these investigators be so incompetent that they allow a family to side track an entire investigation? Better yet, how can they allow the family to have influence over who they arrest and when? Common sense would tell you that you shouldn't listen to the family if they are telling you to do things that would hurt the investigation.

Wow, Was this article written by the likes of Diane Dimond? Its so biased!

Posted by: Biased | Dec 5, 2005 6:56:38 PM

As if all the reporting we have been watching on the cable new networks for the last six months wasn't biased??
Or is it just something that YOU don't want to hear?

Posted by: Biased | Dec 5, 2005 6:56:38 PM

As if all the reporting we have been watching on the cable new networks for the last six months wasn't biased??
Or is it just something that YOU don't want to hear?

Why is there no mention of the lie by the 3 last known to be seen with Natalee Holloway? The lie that had two innocent black men taken into custody? How many days did they keep up that lie? 7+ How much time and effort was expended due to a lie? My opinion.

The investigation train was off the track from day one due to a lie by the 3 last known to be seen with Natalee Holloway. Just my humble opinion.

Guess they needed to sell some magazines. I sure as hell want be buying it. They just wanted a piece of the pie. Lol.. Anyone that believes anything Dompig says is a legend in their own mind and "Stuck on Stupid". The last part of this mans name is correct, the first part should be spelled Dum.
There have been more lies in this case from the ALE that everyone on the island could own one.

Posted by: moronsmakemesick | Dec 5, 2005 7:07:48 PM

Autoimmune disease ?

There have been more lies in this case from the ALE that everyone on the island could own one.


Posted by: moronsmakemesick | Dec 5, 2005 7:07:48 PM

"They did. You would be surprised how simple it was."

:-)

Just when things were getting so quiet...

RE: "Dompig charges that pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset."

Gimme a break; the hysterical parents of the victim caused you to botch the case? The FBI routinely assigns a liason officer to placate the hysterical parents... 'cus all parents are hysterical when their child disappears and is presumed to have been gang-raped and murdered - you morons.

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Wow, Was this article written by the likes of Diane Dimond? Its so biased!

Posted by: Biased | Dec 5, 2005 6:56:38 PM

I think I am beginning to understand your vocabulary.
Pro-Twitty = objective
Not Pro-Twitty = biased

Still not a bad idea if you try to improve your knowledge on the real meaning of words.

Posted by: moronsmakemesick | Dec 5, 2005 7:07:48 PM

You are right moron.
Use your favourit weapon. BOYCOTT Vanity Fair.
what's next?

PS. sorry if this appears twice.

Posted by: Sgt. York | Dec 5, 2005 7:27:40 PM

Sgt of the moron-brigade?
Guess so. You sound like one.

All we ever get from the Arubans is talk. Let's see those tapes of the suspect interviews, if they exist. I think the tapes would be more important to a criminal prosecution than second-hand attributions from a journalist. (Including Julia Renfro, Dr. Phil, Geraldo, Nancy Grace, Greta, and -- at the other end of the spectrum-- our humble web host.) Let's see them do something. And if there's nothing on the tapes that seals the prosecution, then pity the poor person who takes this case to court. Look at all the evidence against OJ, and see what happened. The prosecution of Joran, Deepak & Satish would be a legal kamikaze mission. I think Natalee is somewhere off the continental shelf, and this story is approaching a pitiful end.

Finally people are speaking out about how Jughead and the Twitt messed things up, but what about advice of counsel they sure had enough of those hanging around why weren't they told to shut the he** up already and let the experts do their jobs.

Have to wonder why they messed up the case, maybe they should be investigated.

Interesting point posted on the 'test' forum: what about the "police does not discuss ongoing research"?
Basically, police does not talk about ngoing investigation in The Netherlands and Aruba. There is, however, a recent development in The Netherlands where Police / Justice dept. spreads 'info' -false or true- to monitor the reactions of certain suspects. This method is subject to debate but I do believe that it got an 'okay' from the justice dept. in some cases. My opinion: this is part of the investigation. if not, Dompig is way out.

Beth Twitty told Burrough, "I'm in Columbus, Ohio, on a secret mission," when he reached her on her cell phone one afternoon. "I'm putting together another strike against Aruba. I tell you, Bryan, those people down there, they'll never know what hit them. They should never have messed with me," she said.

That woman,........... God!! I hate her!!! I hope one day she'll get what she deserves for trying to destroy a country with innocent people who had nothing to do with the disappearance of her daughter. She is trying any terrorist approach, and you'll doubt if her real reason is finding her daughter. I pity Natalee for having a mother like this.

I still can't help but feel sorry for Beth. She is so stuck on angry, and she has all of these people around her fueling the fire. I know that anger is a natural step in the grieving process, but it is only one of many. She needs to take the time to make peace with herself instead of plotting another attack against Aruba. To what end? What is there possibly to gain by attacking them again?!?!? I just don't understand it....

I'm putting together another strike against Aruba. I tell you, Bryan, those people down there, they'll never know what hit them. They should never have messed with me," she said.

Tur loke bo hacimi, tur loke bo deseami igualmente, Beth

No haci malo pa niun hende, malo lo bin bek pa bo anto dobbel

I really don't like to see a grown man whimper and whine attempting to deflect the focus off of the mishandling of this case. His obvious contempt and arrogance at wanting to put the Twittys in their place says little of his integrity as a police chief.

Natalee Holloway has vanished into thin air.

May there soon be some semblance of order amid the chaos.

Actions talk louder than words Mr. Dompig.

I can't believe that people believe this crap about a phone call from Natalee. If this were true then all they would have to do is look up Beth's phone records and see if it is true or not. Not exactly a hard thing to do. Why not try and confirm the rumor rather than letting it float out in the sphere of unconfirmed information? That is either sloppy investigative work or something worse.

i think beth is a very mean person! God!,,.however,, I really think those kalpeo dudes are kinda cute! And that vandersloots a doll!!,, I bet that horrible twitty family had something to with they’re daughters disappearance!

Beth is just going to have to accept that the police screwed up any chance of finding her daughter and then let it go. I dont know if I could let it go but what else can you do when the police force locks up two innocent black guys while they let the last three boys roam free and destroy any chance at finding evidance. I hope something positive in this case comes forward.

...all they would have to do is look up Beth's phone records...

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And how is DumPig supposed to do that ? Can any-one look up other peoples phone records ?
Or has the usa given DumbPig permission to investigate inside the us ? Can the Dutch police come over as well ?

I'm putting together another strike against Aruba. I tell you, Bryan, those people down there, they'll never know what hit them. They should never have messed with me," she said.

And still there are those that feel beth is being bashed when they react to this kind of terrorism.
Natalee, once mentioned something about her mother being Hitlers sister's daughter.
I think I understand that better now.

All arubans have always treated me with kindness whenever I go there! and they are very respectable to my daughters!

...all they would have to do is look up Beth's phone records...

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And how is DumPig supposed to do that ? Can any-one look up other peoples phone records ?
Or has the usa given DumbPig permission to investigate inside the us ? Can the Dutch police come over as well ?

Posted by: DUTCH | Dec 5, 2005 8:34:54 PM

No, but the FBI certainly has the ability to do that seeing as they are involved in the investigation. In much the same way that the FBI interviewed the students and took some of their photos. All Dompig would have to do is ask.

The VQ story is the first remnants of truth we've heard. I feel sorry for Twitty, but, she's got some issues, and I think she has a ton of guilt which she's transferring on to innocent Arubans. Natalee was a normal girl, and doing what the other kids were doing, wilding, and drinking, and having sex. Beth Twitty has lied since the beginning, and maybe it was to protect herself and her daugher, but, she is without any credibility. Neither are the media morons who have presented this shameful sham.

We'll never know the truth because the Alabama mafia has everyone under lock and key. The Alabamans are the ugliest Americans the world has ever seen. We can all feel sorry for their plight, but, not their LIES.

I don't believe the Twittys or Holloways. I believe there was far more truth on the Aruban side of things.
Twitty also seems like she has issues like alcoholism, anorexia, pathological psych problems, perhaps addiction to drugs and other substances. She's the problem in this case. It's a shame Dave Holloway is now her flunky.

There will never be a resolution to this case, which is sad. It's a shame the Alabaman posse acted like cowboys and lied and lied and lied. Good for VQ for being brave enough to print some truth.

Anyone can look up these cell phone records. These services are readily available at a cost. Say 65$ for 25 phone records.

Wow! Things are actually going to get interesting! What in the world will the kool-aid bunch do now, that the investigation goes to homefront?? Dompig said the Twitty's were from a different world where they could crush people? Yeah, that would be the G. Bush world with his "Shock and Awe", WMD, etc. Same mentality!

All we ever get from the Arubans is talk. Let's see those tapes of the suspect interviews, if they exist. I think the tapes would be more important to a criminal prosecution than second-hand attributions from a journalist. (Including Julia Renfro, Dr. Phil, Geraldo, Nancy Grace, Greta, and -- at the other end of the spectrum-- our humble web host.) Let's see them do something. And if there's nothing on the tapes that seals the prosecution, then pity the poor person who takes this case to court. Look at all the evidence against OJ, and see what happened. The prosecution of Joran, Deepak & Satish would be a legal kamikaze mission. I think Natalee is somewhere off the continental shelf, and this story is approaching a pitiful end.

Posted by: david r | Dec 5, 2005 7:54:39 PM

Obviously there is nothing on the tapes that seals the prosecution, or the suspects would never have been released from jail. Not only did a judge from Curacao decide this, but a three judge higher court agreed.
And don't believe the police did NOTHING in those 10 days, they knew they could not get the boys remanded for trial simply on the fact that they were the last seen with Natalee, but they were suspects from the very beginning. They were under 24 hour surviellence, their phones were tapped, their cell phones were tapped, their computers were hacked into and monitored, they were watched EVERY minute, to see if they would give themsleves away in anyway, and THEY JUST WEREN'T DOING IT. If the Twittys hadn't kept on pushing, perhaps they would have eventually let something slip, but they just did not.
Also, they brought in an international specialist to question Joran, someone that is employed by police forces around the world, known for breaking the most hardened of criminals, and he still would not break.
That should make you all wonder just a bit.
PS
Joran was NEVER brought to school late by his father, not Monday, nor Tuesday, he was on the bus at 6:40 AM BOTH DAYS. Anyone that says otherwise is LYING. On Tuesday his father had to come to the school at 10 am to pick him up to take him to be interviewed by the police.
Just in case anyone is interested.

A man sees what he wants to see and he disregards the rest...The Boxer - Simon and Garfunkel

"Dompig charges that pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset, forcing premature arrests and not allowing Aruban authorities enough time to gather evidence"

Just to clarify the statement made by Dompig: the keyword here is SIDETRACKED. The Twitties did everyting in their power to keep the focus on J2K and OFF any other suspect. I'll explain:

-Beth did not want any information regarding any POSSIBLE (sexual) contact between Natalee and "members of the opposite sex met while on holiday in Aruba" to come out. She was made aware what the behavior of the MB kids and her Natalee was while here, and was petrefied that any of this would come out. She did not want to cooperate with police in investigating the 'Dutch guy with blue eyes'. When questioned, she just vehemently denied having received the call. The police thus had to take statements from Julia Renfro and employees of the holiday inn that she did state that. Issue here is that constitutes "hearsay", and hearsay is NOT evidence. All it proofs is that Beth Twitty lied and that there is a need to question the "Blue Eyed Dutch Guy".

-When male DNA was found on her daughter's toothbrush, Beth was quick to discount the relevance of that. It was, according to her (and I can provide proof -i.e. statements made by Beth herself- of this if need be) the roommate's toothbrush. She stated: The toothbrush doesn't count, I don't even know how it all ended up in this investigation. With that, once again she refused to assist police in finding out who that other male/ the other males could have been that Natalee had interacted with while on holiday here. Questions like: did Natalee tell you if that Dutch guy was on holiday too? Did she tell you whether he was a marine? Did she tell you his age? Did she tell you anything aditional that could help us trace him. Beth REFUSED to cooperate. The focus HAD to be on J2K.

Please note that the ONLY DNA found in this whole investigation was the male DNA on Natalee's toothbrush. That is the ONLY forensic item found. BEth does NOT want it further investigated. Why?


The US Boy Scouts could have done a better job than Dompig!

Scuba jap, it's always refreshing to hear your point of view; it makes so much sense to those of us not drinking kool aid. It has always been maintained that the boys were under surveillance for those 10 days, but those reports were always drowned out. Beth and Jug, and this is old already, did a great deal to totally wreck the investigation and steer it. They are their own worst enemies. Possibly they intended it to go this way to hide what they really know. Hopefully that will all start coming out now. My support lies with the Kalpoes and van der Sloots who have had to endure hell.

A man sees what he wants to see and he disregards the rest...The Boxer - Simon and Garfunkel
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Lie la Lie... Lie la Lie lie lei la lie,
Lie la Lie... Lie la Lie lie lie la lie,
la la la lie...
in the corner stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade,
and he carries the reminder ...

Dompig sounds like a pathetic, whiney loser. Can't solve it...blame the family!

...all they would have to do is look up Beth's phone records...

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And how is DumPig supposed to do that ? Can any-one look up other peoples phone records ?
Or has the usa given DumbPig permission to investigate inside the us ? Can the Dutch police come over as well ?

Posted by: DUTCH | Dec 5, 2005 8:34:54 PM

No, but the FBI certainly has the ability to do that seeing as they are involved in the investigation. In much the same way that the FBI interviewed the students and took some of their photos. All Dompig would have to do is ask.

Posted by: portland | Dec 5, 2005 8:43:31 PM

Actually, Dompig would just have to talk to Setar... No need to get the US involved.

Posted by: ArubanWarlock | Dec 5, 2005 8:02:48 PM

~YOU~and the others like you here are mean, evil, hateful, demons. CRAWL BACK IN YOUR HOLES NOW AND CARRY ON WITH YOUR SATANISM.

The question that NO one will ever answer is why the boys were placed under "surveillance" whereas the security guards were busted almost immediately. Of course, the boys weren't just the last people to be seen with her as scuba erroneously asserted, they also lied regarding what they did with her that night. Why were the security guards treated one way and the boys treated the other?

And if the boys are so innocent then why is it that Dompig and Roy Tromp are convinced they are involved? Why does the FBI feel this way as well? Are you privy to some exonerating information that no one else in this case has?

"They didn't understand the way things are done in our system of baksheesh," Dompig tells Burrough of the family. "They act like they came from a world where you can just expect us to do our job without the extra incentives. It was very harmful to our investigation."

Actually, Dompig would just have to talk to Setar... No need to get the US involved.

Posted by: Setar | Dec 5, 2005 9:53:41 PM
Not so simple, it has to be seen how the call was made. If from the hotel, there would have been records, but it would appear not.
So it could have been from a call service booth or one of those Call USA phones, which use a sat system. If she called collect-the records would be on the home phone or cell phone.
If the FBI has checked it, they aren't saying squat, as they haven't said squat about anything.
They have made statements to some people, as I have reported here, but of course, if you didn't see it posted on the internet, than it can't be true.
Like telling someone credible that they (the FBI) did check the well and cesspool (if you want to call it that) at the v/d sloot house.
What, do you think the FBI are stupid? that they wouldn't do that?
Think LOGICALLY here for a few minutes.

She did not want to cooperate with police in investigating the 'Dutch guy with blue eyes'. When questioned, she just vehemently denied having received the call. The police thus had to take statements from Julia Renfro and employees of the holiday inn that she did state that. Issue here is that constitutes "hearsay", and hearsay is NOT evidence. All it proofs is that Beth Twitty lied and that there is a need to question the "Blue Eyed Dutch Guy".

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You must not be much of a lawyer if you think that proves Beth lied about anything. It is there word against hers, and even if you think she is the most deceitful person on the face of the planet it still isn't enough to prove she is lying in this regard. What would prove this would be a simple check of the phone records, which would be very easy for the authorities to do. I'm curious as to why the authoriites haven't persused this avenue, since it would prove conclusively whether Beth is lying or not.

And for those of you that really want to know: Not only would Beth NOT cooperate with police. About 2 weeks after the disappearance she started DEMANDING a death certificate. Why?

Beth has publically stated (in an interview with Barbara Walters) that she BURRIED Natalee on June 10th, 2005 -Now you tell me, after 2 weeks she was ready to collect her death certificate and call it quits. The Aruban police did not cooperate with her and continued the investigation. Could this be the reason she is now stating: "They should have never messed with me!" I think you guys are smart enough to know the answer.

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