As Sad As It Is To Say

This fine old gentleman has reached a point in life where he is genuinely a nutter. And I mean that. I understand he served the military well. That's precisely what proves my point. No good man would stoop to this level purely for political gain. And no real patriot with military experience would talk like this during war time if her were sane. Murtha has left the building. And it's sad to know he'll be exploited by the Left just the same.

As for the Democrats, they know full well we hope to be drawing down the troops come next year. Evidently they have no conscience when it comes to the damage they will do in the meantime, as they seek to get out in front on that fact.

Ultimately, just as with McGovern, this will do their party more harm than good. And, remember, I am not a Republican.

LATROBE, Pa. - Most U.S. troops will leave     Iraq within a year because the Army is "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth," Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record) told a civic group.

Two weeks ago, Murtha created a storm of comment when he called for U.S. troops to leave Iraq now. The Democratic congressman spoke to a group of community and business leaders in Latrobe on Wednesday, the same day President Bush said troops would be withdrawn when they've achieved victory, not under an artificial deadline set by politicians.

Comments

[warrenb]

Uh...

Yes you are a Republican. You told me so in an email....So you are either a liar...or forgetful...or both.

[Dan]

never been, likely wont ever be

[Politically Erect]

I agree! He is a senial old man. Sad but he is incompetent and probably incontenent.

[dnichols]

He is a Democratic political pawn-being used to keep this story going. All part of the liberal "war" going on in our country- daily sabotoge of our country, President, and unfortunately, our soldiers on the front lines. This will make a great headline tommorrow in Iran...that's were it ends up.
All for the Democrats irresponsible political gain-

[TheAlamo]

No good man would stoop to this level purely for political gain. And no real patriot with military experience would talk like this during war time if her were sane. Murtha has left the building. And it's sad to know he'll be exploited by the Left just the same.

Posted by Dan in Iraq | Permalink

Dan, look at what you are saying here. A guy at age 73 doesn't have much future to worry about "political gain." He has been to war, in another similar contest, where over 58,000 Americans died for nothing---they were, in fact, denied victory by the very same government that sent them there in the first place, and Korea was the same. No country has EVER defeated a home grown guerrilla force, and to add to the fact that these idiots are willing to blow themselves up makes it even harder. My thoughts are for those who support this war to open their mind and begin doing some serious questioning--if their concern is our soldiers--and it should be. Many are being sent back for additional 2nd and 3rd tours because of the shortage of personnel. I have a client who is 73 years old--being sent there. I have another who is 56 years old-female--being sent there. Something is dreadfully wrong with that picture. We continue to downsize our military on one hand, and on the other told we are at war. We are continuously warned about possible "terrorist" attacks, and the very same government doing the warning is responsible for the borders being left wide open, since who knows when. (yes they are giving lip service to closing them...but let's see)
The government says, and does nothing about the funding, nor the acquisition of weapons for the terrorists. Why? If you cut off their money and weapons--they are out of business. Ak47's are communist weapons. The money is coming from somewhere, and if our country is good enough to catch criminals moving money around, they can sure find out where the money is coming from for the terrorists---but not one politician, save Ron Paul, has even questioned this obvious avenue of pursuit--menahwile more Americans die.

But even more discourging is the attempt to group anyone against the wars' continuance as insane. The American people have a history of examining both political and domestic events.
There is much danger in always accepting what ANY government tells its people is expedient, and ours is no different. Questioning government is the exact fact that made America great. As I have said many times, just jumping on the bandwagon of the "right" or the "left" because they are the right or the left is not a wise idea for any of us. People elected to office are not "superior beings" with some intuition that allows them to automatically make correct decisions, and based on the known background of many of them, there is a good possibility that they should not even be in office, let alone given power to act at their leisure.

I have a son in Baghdad, right now. But, my question is, if he dies...what is gained? Oil prices have gone UP, not down. The British tried taming that region several times in the past and failed. You cannot have a "democracy" in ANY country and expect it to stand--not ONE democracy has ever lasted long. If it is a theocracy, then you will have continuing factions fighting until the end of time. If it is a republic then the mention of Sunni or Shiite after each person's name needs be eliminated and religion put totally out of government---which, is not the case with the current situation. Without us there--that type of government will fail--guaranteed.

Americans need to discard the crap taught in public school American history classes and do their own research into the founding of this nation. We are not to be "told what to do,"--we are to do the telling. It has been totally reversed over time. We more resemble a communist country than anything the founders gave us, and blind acceptance of what government does and says, is a sure sign of a population that has lost its focus and destiny.

(not picking on you, but asking you to consider expanding your thinking in some areas)

[New Creature]

Dan- An organization I'm affiliated with just recieved a a letter from a friend who is also Captain in the U.S. Army in Iraq. It is his second tour. Funny, He did not sound much like he was living "hand to mouth". In fact, he sounded very hopeful, and full of excitement. He's been back in Iraq now for about two months, and he was looking forward to the return. He said the first tour was really rough, but now it is much better. Nice young man. Has a wonderful family here in Oklahoma. We will be glad to see him home again---when his mission is accomplished.

[brent]

I really hope the liberal left keeps bashing this country to show everyone with a brain that this political group would even sell out our country to get back in power. The more these people talk the longer republicans will be in power. I dont care much about some of the republican ideas either but at least they dont bash this country every time they open their mouths.

[blues]

very sad, Dan. Bush's approval rating is very low - mostly because of the war in Iraq. The Democrats are representing the wishes of the people unlike that of Bush who represents the wishes of......hmmm, that's a good question.

[letsbefair]

(not picking on you, but asking you to consider expanding your thinking in some areas)

Posted by: TheAlamo | Dec 1, 2005 9:57:58 PM

It is your thinking that's faulty my friend. The United States is far from being a Communist country. You have obviously never lived, or never spoken to anyone that has lived in a Communist country. I doubt the South Koreans, and Korean Americans would agree that the Korean war was for nothing. The 58,000 heroes that died in Vietnam, did so to try and save the millions that were subsequently murdered by the Communists in SE Asia. The Communist traitors (John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda etc.) that pulled the plug on that effort with their propaganda. Are the same ones trying to surrender to the terrorists. If we surrender to the terrorists in Iraq, they will bring the war front to our own country, as they did on 9/11. If we would have let Hitler conquer and control Europe without a military response, he would have eventually conquered the United States.

[TheAlamo]

not picking on you, but asking you to consider expanding your thinking in some areas)

Posted by: TheAlamo | Dec 1, 2005 9:57:58 PM

It is your thinking that's faulty my friend. The United States is far from being a Communist country.

Obviously, you did not read what I wrote. If you go back and re-read it you will see what I said is that compared to the founding of this nation, we now MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLE a communist country. Anyone with any basic knowledge of governments...specifically ours, the way it was, and the way it is now could tell the difference.
Freedom is not a "grant" by government, it is allowing people to SERVE in government at the behest of the people. This country was set up with the PROPER function of the federal government to be: insuring the Bill of Rights for the citizenry, and protecting the nation against foreign invasion.
ALL else was left to the states and to the people. In communist, fascist countries the rules are dictated from the federal level,(just like here now) not the local level. So, my friend, tell me, which do we more closely resemble. And yes, I have been to a communist country. And I have seen the decline in this one continuing to grow....and it is for one reason and one reason only--top down federal government control. No accidents. No shortage of resources, no labor shortages, only stifling regulations ala communist, socialist countries that continue to promote more government control, more welfare state mentality and less and less personal freedom.

But I will be glad to let your prove your point. Can we agree that the only real difference between a fascist nation and a communist nation is who holds legal title? If so, then we can agree on the mechanisms of government closely resembling one another. Now if we can agree to this, then I challenge you to read the Enabling Act. Then compare it to the "patriot" acts....and come back and exlain the difference---what little you can find.
And don't tell me I am free when I have to have a "license" to fish, drive a car, sell insurance, or open a store. Don't tell me I am free when I have to pay rent on my own property AFTER I have paid it off. Don't tell me I am free when I have to have a "permit" to build something on MY OWN property, or go visit a friend in another country. Yeah, I am free when I have to prove who I am to open a bank account so they can KEEP MY MONEY. don't tell me I am free when I am forced into a defunct retirement socialist system like social security (the name should tell you something) when I could do much better without their "help."

Anyone who does even a cursory study of American history (outside the lies taught in public school) will find that these things are the very type of things the founders fought and died to prevent.
You best spend some time with Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and the likes of Thomas Paine, John Locke and Fredric Bastiat. You will find you have been severly misled by these so called "leaders" from both parties, who, are in this thing together. If not, then why does nothing change? Left, or right---the results are more of the same. Wake up

[TheAlamo]

Posted by: letsbefair | Dec 1, 2005 10:59:25 PM

Oh, and by the way, you might want to explain to the North Koreans why Douglas MacArthur was fired for liberating them, and they were handed back over to the communists. I am sure they will understand.

Also I am sure the Chinese people understand why we undercut Chiang Kai Chek and installed Mao Tse Tung into power, whereafter he murdered around 80 million people, and you might want to explain to the Cuban people why we sold out Bautista for Fidel Castro.

[Hobo]

Really awesome posts, group. Can't say enough to satisfy myself to acknowledge their quality.
Note to Alamo: I wish you had clarified the work assignment of your 56 and 73 year old clients sent to Iraq, i.e., military or civilian. When Afganistan broke out, I attempted to reenlist at 55, but was politely rejected. Health is perfect, military training had been extensive; I (not bragging, honest), truthfully believed I could have filled the spots of 5 younger guys because of my health and combat training. I'm not war crazy, just hoped I could have kept 5 from going. My son gets his commission in two weeks and will be on his way if he has anything to say about it. I pray for the safety of your son in the meantime.

[TheAlamo]

The 73 year old is a doctor and the 56 year old is a dentist. Obviously not combat assigned, but if we are this short on people then there is something drastically wrong. Neither of them were particularly excited to go, but they are Americans, and will do what they are asked. I just wonder why they are being asked.
I have always supported the soldier, and always will. I was one of the few I guess, that was for the Vietnam war because I actually thought that we were there to fight communism. Of course I was young and stupid at the time and did not realize that that was not the goal. Sad, I lost 5 out of six friends that went, and I still wonder why.

[Sgt. York]

RE: "I have a son in Baghdad, right now. But, my question is, if he dies...what is gained?"

He will have died so SCIRI, al-DAWA, and the Sadrists can create a brutal oppression theocracy aligned with Iran. Good times.

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[junius]

I always find it funny that people who say they're not a Repub. or Dem. always show their hand sooner or later. For example, every time a Democrat screws up I can expect it to be posted about here and often rightly so. That's fine, it's your site. But don't say your not a Republican, unless of course I missed your post about good old 8-term Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham(R-Calif.)

[Dan]

But don't say your not a Republican, unless of course I missed your post about good old 8-term Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham(R-Calif.)

I doubt anyone readng here is unaware of it - as I've recently posted they are all bascially the same, what would that prove? It just so happens that Republicans today more often than not align with my personal positions. If and whenthat changes, so will my posts. But it doesnt change the fact that I think most politicans are lame, if not criminal.