Natalee Holloway: Skeeter's Tape Analysis

I've taken a look at the infamous Skeeter's Tape using some audio software and it appears as though someone may have gone to some lengths to cover certain things up to prevent Dr. Phil's audience from hearing everything that was on the tape.

The sound file below is altered in volume but not content. It begins with the very last word of a question posed by Private Dick Skeeters: "And the question I'll ask you is, if you intentionally killed her." By adjusting the volume for the portion where it seems Deepak Kalpoe responded to that, it is very possible that what he said and the audience never heard, was, "I would never do that."

To display what I believe is going on with this tape, I am also including a graphic display for this short section of the tape. There is a portion where the graphic analysis strongly suggests Kalpoe was saying something which was covered up by the background music added by the Dr. Phil show - but it only fully drowns out a portion of his possible response. Note where I have inserted inaudible. The sound waves spike - yet whatever is there besides the music appaears to have faded completely into the background.

You will see a graphical representation above where I inserted the words "I would." Though nothing is audible there. If that is what he said and it was covered by the music, it would lead directly into the portion where there is a barely audible response. After listening to it repeatedly, the best guess I can make is that he is saying "never do that."

Consequently, it is possible that the exchange at that moment actually represented a statement by Deepak Kalpoe which would point to his innocence and not his guilt. The files are here - listen to yourself. You can expand the picture by clicking on it.

Download deepak_skeeters2a.wav

I am also looking at other parts of the tape. If I find anything else unusual, I'll post it.

Comments

[dreamquestrob]

Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Nov 27, 2005 9:25:21 AM
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I respectfully disagree.

We really have no idea what is contained in the original recoridng that has the interest of Dompig and the investigators. What Dr. phil thinks or what we feel are important might not be important at all -- just fruit for entertainment.

BUT

if Mr. D has said something that is captured on the original recording that CONFLICTS with his sworn testimony then you have the true smoking gun. And we will not know this if ALE is worth it's salt -- simply becuase it is evidence and to leak it could corrupt the case if indeed, anything is admissable.

keep in mind, the original recording itself does not have to be evidence as such -- only the conflict in what Mr. D says as opposed to what he testified to or to what any of the others may have testified to. If there is conflicting comments thenyou can bet ALE wil have them bck in and askikng them about it and perhaps researching the comments to try to figure our the holes in the testimony.

[berry]

This tape is NOT evidence. It is entertainment. That is the legal argument. It was purchased by Dr. Phil and edited for entertainment purposes.

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There is nothing particularly entertaining about a confession to gang rape. There is valid investigative and eventual prosecutorial interest in a taped "confession", regardless how it is obtained - as long as it is bonafide.

[danie]

I guess there was enough evidence to convince the Santa Monica jury...
Posted by: letsbefair | Nov 27, 2005 5:30:34 AM
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burden of proof in civil case is easier to meet than in criminal case........

[Sharon]

COMMENT:
have the full audio - not posting it because of the bandwidth and to make the example understandable. Believe me, after a lot of listening, slowing down, amplifying and applying different types of filters - I'm all but convinced he said, I would never do that. I can email the audio if someone wants it.

Posted by: Dan | Nov
RESPONSE:
DAN TEE HEE...once again playing the FBI...sit down and take a long nap...why not leave the proof up to the FBI experts instead of stirring the pot with coloring peoples thinking with your rediculous conclusions about this tape....yawn!

[Rubby]

Aruba is being damaged by the bad publicity and that is what is important for now. Once the heat really gets applied this spring/summer, I bet they will find what is left of Natale.

The simple solution would have been NOT to cover a rape/murder.

[CitizenDick]

Aruba is being damaged by the bad publicity and that is what is important for now. Once the heat really gets applied this spring/summer, I bet they will find what is left of Natale.

The simple solution would have been NOT to cover a rape/murder.

Posted by: Rubby | Nov 27, 2005 11:07:06 AM

I think this has risen to the level of urban myth now.

[letsbefair]

I guess there was enough evidence to convince the Santa Monica jury...
Posted by: letsbefair | Nov 27, 2005 5:30:34 AM
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burden of proof in civil case is easier to meet than in criminal case........

Posted by: danie | Nov 27, 2005 10:32:43 AM

Sure it is. Just about anyone could be found responsible for the deaths of 2 people, that were murdered.

[Scott]

. What is on Dr Phil's tape does not matter one bit. Why the hell anyone is wasting time analysing that tape is ridiculous. The ONLY recording that needs to be analysied is the orginial hard drive or DVD. So WHAT if Dr Phils group doctored or Edited the tape. Like that would be a REAL shock ??? It doesnt prove a damn thing. It does nothing to help the case and it is a waste of time,resources and I suppose money. What a joke!

Get to the real recording, and stop all the crap and all the damn game playing by ALE and all the others invovled. And Sharon I agree 100%...

[dr_usa_23]

Why would Dr. Phil and Jamie Skeeters, who have been working with the FBI, Secret Service, US Marshals Service, USA Law Enforcement, etc., "alter" this tape? They have NOTHING to gain. Why would they put their reputation and their careers in jepordy?

It does not make any sense.

Judge van der Sloot ran from news reporters. His wife was out of town the night Natalee disappeared. Joran van der Sloot took Natalee to his home where the daddy Judge was. Did daddy judge sloot have sex with her? Why don't the boys take a lie detector test?

Whose side are you people on?

[meo]

I agree with Sharon and Scott.
Again trying to put some damn spin on all this..
I have listened to that click a dozen times now and dont hear squat .. I am starting to think most the people here including Dan dont care if there is ever any resolution to this case..
Just writing the hogwash..I am sure if the hollways ever read this they would just be appauled

[hockeygirl]

Dan-you continue to amaze me...I haven't looked at this blog for about a week and in that short span of time you have not only become an audio recording forensic expert, but a covert CIA/FBI operative as well.

Let's cut to the chase: You have not "taken a look at" the actual, original visual and/or audio recording made by Mr. Skeeters (the REAL "Skeeter's Tape" that the FBI supposedly has), as scott, dreamquestrob, danie, and sharon ably point out, and which you never quite admit or deny "analyzing" in your subsequent posts. At best, your initial Post is a misleading statement of fact, and at worst, a patent lie, in which you claim to have "taken a look at the infamous Skeeter's Tape using some audio software and it appears as though someone may have gone to some lengths to cover certain things up to prevent Dr. Phil's audience from hearing everything that was on the tape." Even though you do not know "everything that was on the ["infamous"] tape" (because you never had or reviewed the original, and thus, could not know what was on the original recording absent having been in the actual room with Mr. Skeeters and Deepak while the original recording was being made), you presume to know that "certain things" on the original recording were "covered up" and the identity of those "things". Further, although you coyly couch your original Post as "mere speculation" by stating that "someone" (hmmm....who could that be???) "may have" covered up "certain things" on the "Skeeter's Tape," you immediately follow by stating that your "analysis" of the "Skeeter's Tape" indicates that some of Deepak's statements were "covered up by the background music added by the Dr. Phil show." IMO your statement could not be clearer: Dr. Phil or his staff purposely "doctored" the audio of the "Skeeter's Tape" and/or inserted "background music" in an effort to mislead his audience as to the true content of Deepak's statements. IMO your motive could not be clearer: further disparagement and derogation of Dr. Phil, his show and his character; further obfuscation of the real facts and real "evidence" in this case; and, worse, further incitement of suspicion, blame and hatred toward Beth Holloway and her missing daughter. The damage done by your inaccurate, ill-informed and incendiary Post is obvious and immediate: readers and posters not only think that Dr. Phil is the purveyor of "B.S.," but believe "Tapegate" should be reported to the FCC, Dr. Phil put in jail for "doctoring "evidence" and Oprah (!!!) and/or Harpo Productions prosecuted as an accomplice to the "fabrication of evidence." At least several of the most irate posters apparently read your initial Post, responded and then either never returned to and/or posted again concerning this specific subject Post (i.e. DUTCH and key west). And in that manner, the dye has been cast; readers come away with the impression that more lies are being propagated by the victim's "camp," without ever getting to or reading the subsequent common sense, responsible and probably accurate posts by people with clearly more expertise and qualification than you in this area (dreamquestrob). In fact, after reading through the various chats on this blog, any reasonable person with any common sense, has to come away with the feeling, if not the certainty, that although you rarely know what you are talking about, you talk anyway.

[meo]

Well Hockey he is running out of things to post about the Natalee Case So lets just makes stuff up so people can keep bashing the Family further
in the ground

Good Post BTW (wink)

[Scott]

hockeygirl, Meo

Excellent post and right on target......It's amazing to me how Dan can download a "free" tape filter and determine what is going on with the tape and then in his "expert" analysis make a valid determination that it has been tampered with. LOL! That actually is pretty humorous...

The real issue is "why the hell would you even WASTE the time on Dr. Phil's tape anyway? It won't and can't be used for anything with regard to finding Natalee or what happened to her. So it is "STUPID”...Of course I understand the mission here is to slam the MSM, talking heads and everyone else in the media. However, if you want to talk about the tape with any crediablity then lets get the real tape and make a real determination not some bullshit attack on Dr. Phil or Skeeter. If the FBI and Holland determine that it is a fraud so be it... then let the shit fly.

If Dan has any talent it's in his ability to tread this fine line of bullshit and add little misleading barbs in his posts to set the masses on fire. He really says nothing of real value but miss leads the hell out everyone...But his minions soak up every word he says...and praise him for his insightfulness...

[Shonane]

For anyone who has not already, and some obviously have not, you may want to read the Hyscience article 11/26 about these tapes and the conclusions of forensics.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/11/harrytho_1125_n.php#more

The tapes shown on the doctor Phil show apparently have definitely been determined to be altered from the original in such a way so that it creates the impression that Deepak said they raped Natalee, while the original tapes clearly show that they did not.

It is ridiculous to say that this deliberate fraud is "just entertainment" when this is related to a criminal investigation of a person missing for 6 months, and being used by Beth, family and press to call for the arrest and prosecution of the three suspects.

If you read the article at the Hyscience link, you may also be interested in the comments posted there.

[Scott]

Shonane,

your wrong about your conclusions. The Dutch said the tapes and or audio was manipulated THEY never said it was misleading or that it lead anyone to wrong conclusions. In fact they didn't comment on it at all.

Oh Harry at HyScience put his OWN opinion (spin) into it and makes it appear that is what the Dutch said and it's not.. There is also a potential language issue between the word maniupulated and edited.

And again you state that there was nothing "NEW" found on the tapes. With regard to having sex with Natalee. All that means is they already are aware that Natalee was raped so it isn't new information... It doesnt mean it wasn't on the tapes and in fact they have never said it wasn't on the tapes....

Were the tapes on Dr. Phils show edited don't care but the truth is the Dutch are NOT saying it was in accurate and or wrong they only state that is different than what they got from the FBI and Skeeter. So you back to square one..No body knows and its all a bunch of crap...

[meo]

Well Said Scott (wink)

[Shonane]

Scott, if you read the linked articles at ArubaGetaGrip and Arubatruth, the conclusions seem to be clear, not just something that Harry at Hyscience surmises.The Arubatruth link specifically discusses the reference to sex being altered on the tape displayed on the Dr Phil show.

http://www.arubatruth.com/2005/11/manipulated-kalpoe-tapes-do-not.html

[dreamquestrob]

This tape is NOT evidence. It is entertainment. That is the legal argument. It was purchased by Dr. Phil and edited for entertainment purposes.

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There is nothing particularly entertaining about a confession to gang rape. There is valid investigative and eventual prosecutorial interest in a taped "confession", regardless how it is obtained - as long as it is bonafide.

Posted by: berry | Nov 27, 2005 9:48:03 AM
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LOL

Of course, but we have to be talking about the SAME tape. I have said it before and I will say it again -- there is a bifurcation of issues here.

One is the Dr. Phil tape. It is edited and altered and legally classified as entertainment.

The other is the original recording from which the Dr. Phil producers extracted the soundbytes from. This one is potentially evidence. it is about 2 and a half hours long and does not qualify as entertainment -- and possibly not even evidence -- but may contain information that investigators want.

It is important not to confuse the two but to keep them in perspective.

It's like professinal wrestling. Some people think it is real. But the professional wrestlers circuit has bypassed state athletic commissions by filing that it is purely 'entertainment' with a 'scripted' ending -- therefor not a real "sport" subject to athletic commission rules.

The Dr. Phil tape is also entertainment, legally. The audience that watches the program are not capable to making the legal decision to convict or not -- but to drive ratings. Whether one considers it legal or ethical or not is a separate issue but no one is saying that what was boradcast is the actual evidence. It is purely for the viewing and listening enjoyment of the audience of Dr. Phil.

The original digital recordings are in the hands of law enforcement and yes, we would expect them to be pure and unaltered so that they cn be used for forensic purposes, and indeed the professionals in Holland have expressed their opinion that the recording is authentic.

They merely clarified that that the Dr. Phil tape is NOT authentic, that it was altered and edited and does not match the original -- which is the way MSM and the entertainment industry works -- soundbytes and paraphrasing. I believe they made this statement so that people would not go off half-cocked and try to say both versions are the same thing.

[meo]

Read the post from teh next day Aruba Truth

Friday, November 25, 2005
Statement From The Public Prosecutor's Office
The Dutch Forensic Institute analysed and compared a video-cd of the private investigator and a tape provided by the FBI which had the interview with the suspect on it that was shown in the programmes of Dr. Phil and Rita Cosby.

The results of this investigation are as follows:

There are no differences between the interview with the suspect D.K. as shown in the video-cd of the private investigator and the tape provided by the FBI.

There also no indications that manipulation of the images took place.

The Dutch Forensic Institute has also concluded that in the case of the interview shown in the programmes of Dr. Phil and Rita Cosby the images were manipulated.

These images differ from the ones in the video-cd and the tape provided by the FBI.
posted by Strategic Communications Task Force at 9:47 AM

[Scott]

Shonane,

I read that and I put no faith into either one of those blogs. They have their own agenda. But putting that aside. The issue still comes down to the "real tapes" the 2.5 hours from the hard Drive. When I read this article I see what they are NOT saying. Not what they are saying. They are not telling you that the Dutch have stated that the tapes are not real. They are not saying that it didn't say they had sex with her and they ONLY said it was manipulated which I read as edited.Interviews and or tapes for TV get edited all the time. I was just interviewed for the news 3 nights ago and they cut off something that I said and it changed the perspective of what I said but necessarily the end result.

The Dutch have only said that NOTHING NEW was added by the tapes and that can just as easily be interpreted to mean that they have known all along that Natalee was raped. That is all THE DUTCH have said. The Task force on the hand has put their spin on it. Until and unless the entire tape is released like everything else in this case it is left up to wild speculation. And I won't hold my breath for it being released anytime soon.

[Shonane]

This is an excerpt from the Aruba Truth linked article. The concern about the accuracy of information posted there may be valid, but if this point is accurate, the there was a deliberate alteration of the tape on Dr Phil show to mislead. You may say this was just entertainment, but didn't Dan Rather lose his job over a similar situation, not validating sources? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What Was At Stake In The Tapes

The tapes were reputed to show that Kalpoe admitted he had sex with Natalee Holloway. If this was the case, investigators could have then had the beginning of a new case for rape against him and the others. But, the original interview, done by Skeeters, who is a lie detector expert, does not have Kalpoe admitting to having any sex at all.

In that tape, when asked if he or anyone had sex with Natalee, he responds...no one had sex with her...

The Dr. Phil version seems to have dropped out the "no or no one" in their version.

[meo]

LIke SCOTT SAID

Shonane,

I read that and I put no faith into either one of those blogs. They have their own agenda. But putting that aside. The issue still comes down to the "real tapes" the 2.5 hours from the hard Drive. When I read this article I see what they are NOT saying. Not what they are saying. They are not telling you that the Dutch have stated that the tapes are not real. They are not saying that it didn't say they had sex with her and they ONLY said it was manipulated which I read as edited.Interviews and or tapes for TV get edited all the time. I was just interviewed for the news 3 nights ago and they cut off something that I said and it changed the perspective of what I said but necessarily the end result.

[Scott]

Shonane,

It doesn't matter what the Dr Phil tape says.... Regardless of what anyone one of these blogs want to say. There would be no reason for the authorites to use that tape, a 3ard generation copy tape when they had the full tape from Skeeters and the FBI. You have to ask yourself what "real purpose" does anyone have for them to continue to bring up the Dr Phil tape? It has nothing to do with finding Natalee that is for sure. More likely its to throw up more smoke... The real tapes may simply not give them anymore than they already know. Which could very likely include them having sex with Natalee. It also is NOT clear that they dropped the NO out. The only place I have seen that referred to is by Dan and sorry but he doesn't have the expertise or equipment to make such a statement. And more importantly the DUTCH have NOT said that to be the case...

[Shonane]

The issue about the Dr Phil tape is NOT whether the authorities would use it for the investigation. The issue is, or could be if this Aruba Truth conclusion is correct --- a deliberate attempt was made to falsify information to the public, to influence a criminal investigation, and to provide false information about the three suspects. This potentially false information most likely was a major factor in the Alabama Governor Riley calling for a boycott, not understanding that if there was a taped confession of rape why the suspects remained free. If there was no taped confession to rape, then I wonder how Governor Riley is going to feel/react - probably duped especially if Beth Twitty knew it was deliberately misleading. And how would you feel if you were one of the suspects?

Again, the issue is not whether Dr Phil's tape would actually be used by the prosecution as it obviously would not be.

[meo]

Reguardless Of What is on the tape..
The Investigation has been botch which if the tape is false.. then that also is Botch..
That is cause enough to Call for a boycott
Aruba has totally screwed this case up from day one.. and the more they steer the blame on everything adn everyone else there off the hook SO THEY THINK

[hockeygirl]

SCOTT, MEO and DREAMQUESTROB--great posts

Shonane-When will you stop?!!!!!! Now YOU and Dan are working for the FBI?! Or the Dutch?! You do not know what the "original interview" says-and if you did-you sure as hell wouldn't be leaking or commenting upon it in this Blog. And if you WERE or DID...Don't let the doors hit you on the way out to the curb from your former job on the way to your trial.

Finally, I'd really put my bets on you and/or Dan being in PVDS's Blackberry or on Aruba's payroll; to use your words: "[A] deliberate attempt was made to falsify information to the public, to influence a criminal investigation, and to provide false information about the three suspects." Hmmm-who would think of such a thing?! Falsify information? Influence an investigation? Provide false information? Psychology has a word for this--PROJECTION.

You rhetorically ask: how would I feel if I "were one of the suspects?" Frankly, I'd feel like I had gotten away with murder.

[meo]

Hockey, Scott
I sure appreciate strong willed and minded People
Good post :) (wink)

[Shonane]

hokecygirl - Get a Grip. You obviously jumped in on the end of the discussion thread and didn't bother to read the earlier posts to see where the information was coming from. I linked and copied part of an article at the ArubaTruth website that provided these conclusions. Obviously, it wasn't my investigation, I provided the conclusions posted there. Harry at his website Hyscience has the same impression. Further, if the information was deliberately falsified, my comments stand.

Deliberate dishonesty deserves no one's respect and I would wonder about anyone's agenda if they support it. Further, misinformation directs an investigation away from a more accurate path which may help find Natalee.

[meo]

Point being
what does Aruba Truth and Harry base there conclusion that your so hell bent on?
There comparable this space and this is far from gosple

[Shonane]

Hockeygirl - One more comment. You and several others posting here on this thread tonight seem to be out of balance - caustic in fact- and in an extremist attack mode. On the other discussion thread re this case,it was mentioned that there seem to be quite a few people who have emerged today like this and here you are. You seem to have an agenda other than sharing information or participating in a discussion, unlike most people who participate in discussion on this blog. Your attacks and accusations add nothing of value to the discussion. I am going to sleep,

[maria]

Reguardless Of What is on the tape..
The Investigation has been botch which if the tape is false.. then that also is Botch..
That is cause enough to Call for a boycott
Aruba has totally screwed this case up from day one.. and the more they steer the blame on everything adn everyone else there off the hook SO THEY THINK

Posted by: meo | Nov 28, 2005 1:31:58 AM

Who botched the tape eas it someone fron Aruba ?

this case is a missing persons case wether you like it ir not NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY.

So how in God name do you expect arrest a nd conviction, there is no HARD evidence, only lies and inconsistisies.

Is innocent untill prooven guilty not practiced in USA ?

[Scott]

Shonane,

I am not attacking you at all. I seriously question the creditability of Aruba truth or Arubiagetagrip. The points I made still stand. As far as the boycott being put forth because of this tape, that is a serious misconception. The Alabama Legislature formally voted, passed and called for a boycott months ago and it was the FAMILY who asked them to back off as they didn't feel it was going help their cause. This was LONG before the Skeeter tape. In fact JUG wrote a letter at the time asking them NOT to publicly call for the boycott. (Which I have a copy of that I will gladly link for you) Obviously, the family had reached a point that they felt like they had no other options left open to them.

I have read your posts and in my opinion I don't see that you’re attacking anyone. I just don't agree with your perspective and I see that you tend to believe like many others on here exactly what they read and don't question it when it comes from arubagetagrip, dan, or arubatruth. However, they do question and dissect everything that comes from the family or MSM.

[Scott]

Levy,

There is absolutely NO PROOF that Beth knew it was altered what-so-ever...as for her bank account if your one who thinks she is making millions off this your sadly mistaken. I have seen far to many of your posts where you state your "opinions" as facts and they are not nor do you have any way to support them..... We all know you hate Beth and Jug and Alabama and MSM and and and..... It gets old....

[hockeygirl]

Hockeygirl - One more comment. You and several others posting here on this thread tonight seem to be out of balance - caustic in fact- and in an extremist attack mode. On the other discussion thread re this case,it was mentioned that there seem to be quite a few people who have emerged today like this and here you are. You seem to have an agenda other than sharing information ...

Posted by: Shonane | Nov 28, 2005 3:42:21 AM

Shonane:

I've been reading and posting on this Blog for at least a couple of weeks; I would speculate that I and "several others" have seemingly "emerged" only recently due to the fact that the recent posts by Dan and others have been so inaccurate, so misleading and so malicious that they have provoked our collective response. And nothing personal, but if I appear to be in "attack" mode, it's because I am. Nonetheless, I don't dislike the doer, just the deed: I have nothing against you-I don't even know you; nor do I know Dan. But I will not remain silent and allow a missing, and possibly gang-raped and murdered, U.S. citizen; her family and friends; and the United States to be treated as a doormat on this Blog. The problem is that you and I may be savvy or cosmopolitan enough to "get" this Blog, but others, particularly, those for whom English is not their first language, may not be. Unwittingly, they may read fiction as fact and half-truths as the truth; forming opinions, that taken together, add up to a lot of mob venom. I'm not so cavalier or naive to write off this Blog or the sentiments and opinions expressed herein as without consequence in the "real world."

The fact that I am American, and not Dutch or Aruban, is of no consequence or effect relative to my sentiments and opinions about this case. Suppose, for a moment, I were an Aruban female citizen and lawyer and learned that a high school aged Aruban girl "had gone missing" after having traveled with her classmates to Los Angeles, California, U.S.A. Suppose that I learned about this on television. Suppose that I was told that the last three people to have seen her alive were three high school aged American boys. Suppose that I was told that she was last seen by others, leaving in a car with these American boys, while heavily intoxicated. Suppose that I was told the American boys all had different stories about what happened that night, going so far as to contradict one another. Suppose that I saw and heard a recording of one of the American boys calling the Aruban girl a "slut," and implying that she deserved or provoked what happened to her. Suppose that I was told that the recording of this same boy MIGHT be evidence or an admission of guilt of that boy, and possibly, the other two. Suppose that these boys were released without charges pending, and that one of the boys was attending college in Aruba. Suppose I was told that the boy in college had given an interview, which in part, materially contradicted his previous statements. Suppose I was told that the boy in college MIGHT have a history of sexual abuse or rape. Suppose I saw the girl's mother on television, day after day, pleading for help in finding her daughter, angry and distraught. Suppose I was told that one of the boy's fathers was a lawyer in Los Angeles and worked for the court where the boys had been arraigned. Suppose I was told that the CHIEF of the courts in Los Angeles was the godfather of this man's child; the godfather of one of the boy's siblings. Suppose I was told that the Aruban authorities, and perhaps, Interpol and other international agencies, had offered to assist in the investigation and the Los Angeles police and the United States and/or California had told them that their help, assistance or involvement was not only not wanted, but not permitted. Suppose that there was a history of foreign and Aruban "girl [tourists] gone missing" in Los Angeles and some evidence that these girls MIGHT have been abducted and sold to sex traffickers. Suppose that day after day, I read posts by American citizens villifying the mother and daughter. Suppose I read posts with inaccurate and false information about the case and completely illogical, absurd and non-meritorious analysis and discussion about applicable law and what it meant relative to this case and the facts. Supposing all these things: do you honestly think that I would feel any differently about that Aruban girl or her mother, or remain silent and not "share information" if I knew or opined that a post was false or incorrect factually or legally? Do you think I would allow my high school age daughter to go to Los Angeles on a trip with her school? Do you think I would allow, or feel comfortable allowing, my college age daughter to attend the same college as the one boy and go to the beach and the bars where the other two go? The plain truth is that a person is a person, a girl is a girl, a daughter is a daughter, a sister is a sister and a friend is a friend, no matter what country you are in; and the rape, abduction, torture or murder of any girl is just as real, just as horrible and just as devastating to that girl's family and friends, whether it happens on a beach in the U.S. or on a beach in Aruba. It is of no import to me where the girl is from or where I am from. And if you took all the same suppositions above but kept me as I am: an American female and a lawyer, I would feel no differently. If what has happened to Natalee had happened to the Aruban girl in my city, my state, my country, and my city, my state and my country were not respecting that girl and her family and doing everything that could be done in the most able, effective and ethical manner to find her and to find, investigate and prosecute the American boys that MIGHT have hurt her, helped traffick her or even murdered her, I would be outraged and ashamed. I hope it never does happen.

[DoorMart]

I would like to know what procedures were used by the Arubans and Dutch to analyze this tape?

Are the differences in the tape the result of Aruba/Holland? No one has yet asked them what procedures they used to analyze the tape

Also....why is this Aruban copy in the hands of Arlene Ellis-Schiiper? I thought the Arubans did not let "evidence" be made "public"? What the hell is she doing w this evidence and making it public?

You people defy logic. Everyone is so quick to blast Dr Phil, but not once think the Arubans are committing another fraud....like they have all throughout this case

By the way....new Aruban Task Force spokesman Steve Cohen is a buddy of Paul van der Sloot....how convienent