Natalee Holloway: One, Two, or More Phone Calls?

This post follows up on this post as regards possible phone calls received shortly after Natalee Holloway's disappearance - at least ones I had become aware of some time ago. I've tread lightly around the subject as it was unclear what, if any calls may have taken place. Their significance was and is still unclear as far as I'm concerned and I was given the impression the subject was a sensitive one - so I said very little about it. I am only reporting this now as it appears the subject of phone calls will be coming up in the news.

I've been told but have been unable to corroborate that there were two phone calls which came into students cell phones after they left the island to return home. It was my understanding, again, unconfirmed, that they were heard as messages received on the journey home, but placed sometime during the night of Natalee's disappearance.

One call was said to have come into the phone of a male friend of Natalee's. The other was said to have come into the phone of a female student on the trip. I'm not naming them as per a previous agreement with the source of the information.

I was told by an individual who heard the call which came into the Male's cellphone that it sounded like "Aruban" voices in the background saying, "What's your name? What's your name? Reportedly, that was followed by a faint female voice which sounded like it said, "Natalee." The impression given me was that the male voice or voices on the call were intentionally trying to get the female to state her name for the purposes of the phone call. In essence, to identify the female to the receiver of the call.

I did identify another individual who is known to have heard "a" phone call into a cell phone that night. When I tried to confirm what I was told by one source, I was told that there was no female voice, only a male voice saying, "Who are you calling?" And that was it.

I must repeat, I have not been able to corroborate this information and it was never clear to me whether or not I was hearing two different interpretations of the same call ... or if the two individuals I spoke with personally had actually heard two different calls.

Hopefully some light will be shed on the situation on Thursday's Dr. Phil show - but, really, I have no idea. I'm only relating what I have been told by reliable sources, but have been unable to independently corroborate.

Comments

[nursemind]

Thanks Dan. Can't stomach the Dr; Phil show but will read from other posters what takes place on that reliable program. LOL

[iquitos]

phone call=proof of life?

[jolari]

Thanks Dan. Many have questioned these calls for some time & never been able to get any info. Do you remember Tricia, the friend of Jug's older daughter? She posted on here until Katrina, but she was insistent that there were no calls received from Natalee that night. Her verbage made some of us uneasy. She just did not want to discuss it at all.

[Cheri]

Speaking of cell phones, remember the guy who led the Twitty's to the VDS house, another Croes *that name must be like "smith" or "jones" in aruba LOL>>?

Croes supposedly paid some aruban teens $100 to give directions to jorans house using the description the twitty's had

why were they with him? why did they seek out the cell phone guy?? I remember back then there was info that she had made a call or calls to friends....

Beth has always been "sketchy" on the details of that night...how did they find the cell phone guy, did they call him, or ?

[Sue]

Might not be sketchy just not giving out evidence if it is any...

[cindi in pa]

Cheri, I remember in the beginning of the phone call stories. It was known to Beth before she got to Aruba the phone was a rented phone. It was said there was only one place on Aruba you could rent a phone on the island.

I believed Beth in the beginning about the phone calls, what little info she gave. But now its to the point, she has given too many indications of the involvement of Joran and the brothers, made all kinds of accusations, Aruba is not talking, if they know anything, it's Beth's position now to come forward and tell Americans what they need to hear, showing proof that she claims to have. That is the only way she will get back the support she once had. I for one will not boycott an Island, or hang three young men with no evidence.

[cindi in pa]

Dan thanks for the phone call inFO. I know you had talked in the past of having information you were not comfortable with releasing. I doubt Dr. Phill's show will give any more info than what you have. We shall see. Thanks again.

[RstJ]

These cellphone call(s) have been the biggest mystery of the case. I think we can be certain that if they pointed at K2J, Beth would have made sure we heard about them. Since she (and everyone else) refuse to discuss them, the only conclusion is that they do not fit into her "Joran did it" scenario. Meaning that one of the calls was probably made at a time when K2J have solid alibis.

RstJ

[Staci]

Those three son of the gunk sold her into sex slavery. Some blogs told us the rich Arabs lurked around the Aruban waters with the help of ALE. The Arabs are very illegal traders since the ancient times. High technologies enbolden them to prey on small islands with the cooperation of local officials. Natalee was said gang raped by Joran, Deepak and Satish. Paulus called in the Arabs. The sex trade Arabs came onshore, locked their stun gun collar around Natalee's neck, and led her in their speed boats.

[Geez]

Those three son of the gunk sold her into sex slavery. Some blogs told us the rich Arabs lurked around the Aruban waters with the help of ALE. The Arabs are very illegal traders since the ancient times. High technologies enbolden them to prey on small islands with the cooperation of local officials. Natalee was said gang raped by Joran, Deepak and Satish. Paulus called in the Arabs. The sex trade Arabs came onshore, locked their stun gun collar around Natalee's neck, and led her in their speed boats.

Posted by: Staci | Nov 15, 2005 3:55:50 AM

IMDB link?

[Frey]

Joran told the truth to Anita that he left Natalee on the beach and he did not harm her and he knew no one would know except his dad Paulus about the sale of Natalee to those Arab women and children traffickers. Joran needed to pay all his gambling debts or he will be dead next day.

[Shari]

If I were Beth, I wouldn't mind wearing egg on my face, if it means Natalee does come out of this alive.

...until she comes home...

[k.jeanne]

About two days after Natalee disappeared, I heard a news update on my car radio. It said that the Mother of missing Natalee Holloway had received a call from her daughter asking for help. That was all they said. My thoughts were, "thank goodness, they found her." Then never again anything said about that news blip. I was listening to NPR, I have searched their archives, but have never found anything. Some sort of phone call surely was made to prompt that news report......?

[RealityBased]

But if those calls have any evidentiary value why doesn't the FBI have those voicemails? Why would Beth still have them? Beth claims it was a kidnapping from the first seconds she got the phone call from the chaperone. How likely is it that the FBI wouldn't have confiscated those voicemails?

How can Beth claim Koen and J2K were out dumping Natalee's body if Dr Phil claims he can prove Natalee is alive?

and then TJWarad claiming he has evidence? Come on, if any of these people had evidence why hasn't it been turned over to authorities? It's not like Beth doesn't have 24/7 access to the FBI...she even told us she did.

[Brooke]

From day one she never looked like the "grieving" mother. It all was a hoax probably perpetrated by
the big hootie herself. Than why did she demand that J2K be hung? To take the heat off her and the biggest scam of the century. Otherwise why did her posters say "hootie, CALL me on your cell phone".

[RICK]

TJ Ward found Natalee, but he's not telling where she is. He will make an appearance on Dr. Phil's show soon, and reveal the information in what is to be a "knockout blockbuster". Jug Twitty will reveal the "news that will shock the world" and Aruba will sink into oblivion. The Twits will have their day and it will won't be long. Imagine them finding Natalee and having her appear on Phil's show. The ratings would be higher than Geraldo Rivera and the Spinners attempt at finding the lost treasures in the vault of Al Capone. Why is all the information about Natalee being kept a big secret? Enough time has passed where revealing what info they have, if true, could propel some Rambo to look for her in the wilds of where she might be.

[berry]

In my mind the cell call - at least one - is a fact. There would be no reason to enlist Croes, unless a mystery call was received.

To me it was part of the mindset the family had, arrving in Aruba. A call seemed strange and voices unfamiliar, seeming to suggest Natalee was in an unusual situation. Either it is Natalee saying her name - or it isn't. By now someone should have figured it out.

I think that call/s and the news Natalee failed to show for the trip home, followed by returning students telling about Natalee leaving with three local guys, led the family to believe Natalee was AWOL either as a result of a night of heavy partying, or against her will.

The kidnapping claim was a two pronged effort to A - either scare whomever she was with, as well as Natalee, into showing up in a hurry, or B -sparking a massive search for a victim of a crime. So posters were made and the "home" invasion was conducted. In the beginning, the family was slam dunk certain Natalee was either with Joran, or he knew where she was.

When facts emerged over time, after the first mis-step, that it was possible that neither Joran nor the Kalpoes didn't really know what happened to Natalee, the hate campaign against them became as much pure contempt for the false start, as it was and is an ongoing effort to rattle cages.

I think the family knew on day one that Natalee was heavily drinking and partying the last night. They knew about her behavior with Joran and about the navel shooter. They knew she willingly went with the trio. They knew she would not get out, after her friends approached the car. They know the trio never denied taking her away from the bar. They knew the claim the trio kidnapped her is unsupportable.

AND -

The reason why the trio is going to be re-questoned has to do with the Skeeter's tape, IMO. There is sufficient concern over what Deepak says, that they want to know what he meant, why he said what he said and if any of what he said that suggests group sex with Natalee is true.

The family strategy now, is to push as many buttons as they can - and they do not care about the legality, the fairness, or the honesty of any of their actions.

The cops seem to be continuing a search for the truth - no matter where it may lead, despite every roadblock presented by the family.

The cops know there really isn't any evidence of any mis-conduct by the trio, but the Deepak tape must be explained, if it has borne some investigative fruit. If Deepak was truthful when he spoke of how they all had sex with Natalee - when did that happen and where? But the fact they they may have, still proves nothing except they lied - again.

The only forensics we know of place Deepak at home by 2AM. If the group was still in front of C and C's at 1:15 to 1:30AM, then the ride to the beach to drop off Joran and Natalee, then the ride back home,leaves almost no time for that behavior to occur, IMO.

[Brooke]

I truly hope they hang BT for perpetrating the biggest "reality show" of the century. The biggest SCAM of the century. TWO pieces of evidence is her original respose to the call your daughter is missing and she says"my daughter's been kidnapped"
secondly her posters that said "call me now hootie".

BT knew all along NH was supposed to go missing and where she was hiding out. THIRD piece of evidence is the immediate call for money with not just one but three funds set up by none other than her inlaws.

Hope they hang her and her accomplice.

[Moggy]

Brooke, the more you post - the more unstable you sound.

[Brooke]

Posted by: Moggy | Nov 15, 2005 7:55:25 AM

Only to people who truly are unstable, and who can't stand to hear the truth.

Guess what your opinion means to me?

[RICK]

moggy: That instablility is a sign of strength. You are a weak person, who cannot see past your nose.

[boywonder]

Only to people who truly are unstable, and who can't stand to hear the truth.

Guess what your opinion means to me?

Posted by: Brooke | Nov 15, 2005 8:06:06 AM

You sound like Paulus....dressing in womens clothing too? Who knew?

[Shari]

Beth doesn't owe anyone anything. If this case miraculously gets solved, it's because of Natalee's family's insistance and persistance in searching for answers.

[Moggy]

moggy: That instablility is a sign of strength. You are a weak person, who cannot see past your nose.

Posted by: RICK | Nov 15, 2005 8:11:25 AM

Not its her constant rattling on and on never changing her tune that irritates me. We get it Brooke - you dont like Beth Holloway Twitty. Move on! Turn a page! Its a bit ridiculous really. I'm sick of reading her same old crap under every topic Dan posts.

[Scott]

Brooke,

you're a lunatic! as usual you ramble on with nothing of substance to say. In fact, you do nothing more than add in lies that you try to present as truths and have wild ass claims that aren't based on any reality at all. Your constant ranks show you as incrediable unstable and or immature person who may seriously need to be medicated

[Hobo]

And the beat goes on.
Cindi, you're up awfully early; weren't you posting at about mid-night last night? Knew a guy in San Antonio that sort of sounds like Joe M. Died of a 'heart attack'. Young guy. RIP.

[Words]

Beth doesn't owe anyone anything. If this case miraculously gets solved, it's because of Natalee's family's insistance and persistance in searching for answers.
Posted by: Shari | Nov 15, 2005 8:24:43 AM

Actually, Beth does owe the public something. The Truth. Beth, and her Media pals, have played off of the emotions of the public, and she has taken their money under false pretenses. I am pretty certain that the finacial gain is legally referred to as 'fraud'. But I could be wrong.

If this case miraculously gets solved, it will be in spite of Natalee's family's interferance in the pursuit of truth. Their insistance and persistance is not to "search for answers", but rather to muddy the facts, those 'facts', which change, most often in the same night, depending on the channel you are watching.

Where are the true journalists in this mess? The paid 'Talking Heads' just seem to be lead around by BHT, without regard to their own credibility. I find this part alone, very disturbing. It is all about the ratings, and not the facts. That is clear, as even those that don't follow this case, can easily pick out the contradictions that the family presents. Are we really considered that moronic by these faux news stations- in that we just accept what they report, without any ability to think for ourselves?

If these Media info-tainers (information entertainers) certainly not journalists, or real reporters can't get these seemingly simple facts straight, what else are they feeding us that we have believed without question?

[Moggy]

I find it strange how some people think its Beth Holloway Twitty orchestrating the media. Does it occur to any of you that the media manipulates people's emotions for their own gain? I am more apt to blame Dr Phil, Greta, etc etc for their shameful exploitation of the families than I am Beth herself.

[Scott]

Words,

Taken their money under false pretenses???? How you come up with that one is beyond me. People on here have a real misconception about those funds and how they ae used. First of all Jar Tiwtty is NOT the trustee of those funds as someone has posted on here. Second, the reward money can not be touched at all by anyone unless it is for the payment of a reward. Third, the moneys in the other account are set up to help in the search for Natalee as well as helping to support the family because of missed time at work or not working. The trustee has a legal,binding oblication (known as a fiduciary responsiblity) to oversee these funds and how they are expended. As well as the Twitty's having the same oblications Should they not be spent in accordance with specific guidlines a variety of things can happen. Lawsuits, penalities, not to mention taxing issues, fraud and the list goes on. There is no big windfall for the Twitty family from those funds.

As far as Beth oweing the truth the same can be said for ALE. They have sent the famly on wild goose chases and that too can be twisted as they were lying to them or intentionally miss-leading them.

While you may not like the MSM or "talking heads" as I believe you referred to them as it is and has been through their persistance that has kept the pressure on. If you don't think this case would of been dropped and life on the lsland would of been back to normal by now without it you are sadly mistaken. Rather you agree with their tactic's or not it has keep this case in the limelight.

[KeesVanZandt]

My thoughts exactly Moggy!

[Botched]

I thought that I recalled a phone call that went to Beth & Jugs house around 3:00 in the morning.
Beth was in Arkansas and Jug was home. I thought I recalled reading somewhere that a call went to there phone (Beth & Jugs home phone) and the answering machine picked up as Jug had said he thought it was a wrong number at that time of the night and did not answer it.
But...a message was left that he listened to the next morning.
I thought I had read this somewhere early on.
I could be wrong but it just seems like I read this some place.
Anyone ?

[MOM]

I think if there are phone calls the FBI has the information, and awaiting Aruba's response before they pounce.

Just as in the Sketters tapes. It has not been said that FBI verified. But do you think they would have delivered them to Aruba, without it.
They are waiting for the Dutch response before they say if they verified they were legit or not. This is going to get big in the coming days.
If the FBI was not doing their own investigation into the island, they would not allow Beth to refer to them so much.

[Scott]

Moggy,

Read on here long enough and you will find out Beth is responisble for the Iraiq War, Katrina, the national debt, earthquakes and of course she has lied about everything just so she can stay on TV and support her lifestyle and it was all about insurance fraud. she doesn't care who gets accused of what happened to Natalee as long as they have a good ol southern lynching. It's been a while since she has seen one....

[c]

Posted by: Scott | Nov 15, 2005 9:38:15 AM

ITs time for u to move on to SM, don't u think...

[RICK]

Moggy: You are right about the media, and boywonder, he likes it, dressed in a skirt.

[getreal]

It's hard to believe some of the BS posted on this site. The Holloway/Twitty's are evil and the three punks are angels in the eyes of some posters. Let's not forget that it was JORAN that was at school the next day bragging about having sex with Natalee, another teacher had to tell Anita to stop Joran from talking so much or he could get into trouble. Later that same day is when Paulus had a meeting with the three boys around the pool and told them "No body, No crime". Any decent judge to be would instruct his son to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead they told anything but the truth. Maybe they are innocent but it's hard to tell after they have told lie after lie after lie. ANother thing, if they were so inncoent, they wouldn't have needed to start turning on each other the way joran and Deepak did. One of them would have decided it was time to tell the truth but they didn't because they knew the truth would hurt them. I believe the Skeeter's tape and I believe the boys stories change depending on who they are telling it to. Why would Joran go around telling his classmates he had sex with Natalee if he didn't? Why would Deepak say they all had sex with her if they didn't? I don't think the three boys killed Natalee but I do believe they know what happened to her after they finished having fun with her.

One more thing I want to comment on:
From day one she never looked like the "grieving" mother. It all was a hoax probably perpetrated by
the big hootie herself. Than why did she demand that J2K be hung? To take the heat off her and the biggest scam of the century. Otherwise why did her posters say "hootie, CALL me on your cell phone".

Posted by: Brooke | Nov 15, 2005 7:24:37 AM

BROOKE,
FOR YOU TO SAY THAT FROM DAY ONE THAT BETH NEVER LOOKED LIKE A GRIEVING MOTHER IS JUST RIDICULOUS! YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE BLIND OR JUST SO ONE SIDED THAT YOU JUST REFUSE TO SEE THAT THE WOMAN IS AND HAS BEEN GRIEVING FOR NEARLY 6 MONTHS. IT'S SO EASY TO TELL WHICH ONES ARE ARUBA/DUTCH SUCK-UPS AND WHO IS REALLY INTERESTED IN THE CASE AND NATALEE. YOU MAY NOT LIKE BETH BUT TO SAY SHE IS NOT GRIEVING IS A FLAT OUT LIE AND YOU KNOW IT YET YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY?..LOL

[Botched]

Posted by: Brooke | Nov 15, 2005 7:41:29 AM
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She suffers from hoof and mouth disease.

[truthbetold]

don't worry brooke....there are PLENTY of us here who agree with you and just because the blinded beth followers refuse to see the truth that si right in front of them doesn't make you wrong....beth is using each and every person she can to keep herself in the spotlight longer and get more money flowing in to her fund......she changes stories weekly...just last week she was "shocked and angered" at dr phils comments on jay leno now low and behold she is going to be on his show with some new "shocking" news that natalee called her................give me a break.....she is manipulating people to get more money.......get with the program people......she is USING everyone who is sumb enough to believe her nonsense

[truthbetold]

don't worry brooke....there are PLENTY of us here who agree with you and just because the blinded beth followers refuse to see the truth that si right in front of them doesn't make you wrong....beth is using each and every person she can to keep herself in the spotlight longer and get more money flowing in to her fund......she changes stories weekly...just last week she was "shocked and angered" at dr phils comments on jay leno now low and behold she is going to be on his show with some new "shocking" news that natalee called her................give me a break.....she is manipulating people to get more money.......get with the program people......she is USING everyone who is dumb enough to believe her nonsense

[a..incanada]

So very correct "truthbetold". Now did she learn that from MSM? I thought they were using her at first, but it works both ways. Well although they live in MB it has been said their house is modest compared to the others. As well, the neighbours are jet setting, which she couldn't do much of, so as the fund grows, so does her chance of fitting in, if this hadn't blown to such proportions. She clearly needs some Psychiatric intervention now, and the FBI on her scam trail.

[micah]

Beth has claimed from the beginning that she believes Natalee was alive for the first two or three days that Beth was in Aruba, maybe this is why. The phone calls (whether real or not) still doesn't exonerate the three suspects.

If these calls were made LAST NIGHT that might be different...

[wreck]

All this still fits in with an EARLY rumor here that a ransom was actually paid in the first 2 weeks and that Natalee was not returned.

[moey]

I have asked about the 'phone call' for months and every time I have asked about it here or on SM, everyone clams up. At one point there was someone on this blog who was close to Beth and she was discussing many aspects of the investigation and what was going on, when I asked her she replied that it was something that they did not want to talk about right at that time.

I do think there was a call, as Beth mentioned it to Greta long time ago. I think they have triangulated the call or got the luds or something, but I do think it is a significant piece of information, that is why we never hear anything about it as it is being closely guarded for whatever reason. I'm not criticizing that they haven't released the details as I believe in an investigation the police do not need to reveal everything to the public.

I think there was either information on the call, where the call came from, background noise (I think the background noise is key).

Someday it will be revealed and if revealing it now would put Natalee in greater harm (if she is alive) then they should keep it under wraps.

This is all MHO.

[Sharon]

COMMENT:
don't worry brooke....there are PLENTY of us here who agree with you and just because the blinded beth followers refuse to see the truth that si right in front of them doesn't make you wrong....beth is using each and every person she can to keep herself in the spotlight longer and get more money flowing in to her fund......she changes stories weekly...just last week she was "shocked and angered" at dr phils comments on jay leno now low and behold she is going to be on his show with some new "shocking" news that natalee called her................give me a break.....she is manipulating people to get more money.......get with the program people......she is USING everyone who is dumb enough to believe her nonsense

Posted by: truthbetold |

RESPONSE...
WOOOOOOOO NELLY..... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM HATING BETH... your perpective is so twisted and demented .... I sure would like to sell you some swamp land in Florda ...YOUR theory is soooooooooooo stupid!! GET REAL!!

[greenwing]

Beth has claimed from the beginning that she believes Natalee was alive for the first two or three days that Beth was in Aruba, maybe this is why. The phone calls (whether real or not) still doesn't exonerate the three suspects.

If these calls were made LAST NIGHT that might be different...

Posted by: micah | Nov 15, 2005 10:42:00 AM

You think the three suspects waited several days to do away with her? With half the island looking?

[lawbster]

shocking news, yeah, right.

[nikki]

A lot of people will have egg on their face when the thruth comes out and she is found te be alive..... !!!

Posted by: DUTCHIE | Nov 15, 2005 6:05:01

I would gladly take an egg or a dozen in the face to see her back to her life in Mountain Brook,,,, GOD BLESS NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!

[Bella]

I saw bits and pieces of Greta last night. I did hear that Dr. Phil had made a statement that he has some sort of proof Natalee is alive. Greta asked Beth if she thought Natalee was in fact alive and Beth responded in so many words I think that she did not think so. Is this how it went to those of you who were able to hear the whole thing? Does it not seem strange that she will be appearing with Dr. Phil if she does not believe him. Something just does not smell right here. And the odor keeps getting worse.

[rollingblackout]

An interesting piece from back in the first few days of this mess:

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding
Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."

[danie]

The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."

Posted by: rollingblackout | Nov 15, 2005 11:14:03 AM
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have not heard this before....quite interesting as is the info regarding phone calls in the early days of Natalee's disappearance.

IMHO, the role of C.Croes (as owner/whatever of cell phone business) validates the existance of said phone calls...believe that is why he was contacted initially; have read on main board after the greta interview he has chosen not to speak again in that he has provided info to proper authorities (fbi included)....very interesting.........