Natalee Holloway: Why Not Ask The Questions?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, first, before he begins that statement, he prefaces it with that Natalee was saying a lot of strange things. And I mean, he says that twice, and then he says, Obviously, she‘s drunk. So I mean, it sounds like to me that—that she‘s possibly been drugged, also in how he has her talking. And then in his statements, he describes Natalee as coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly while he is performing these sexual assaults against her. And I just can‘t see how in the world that would be considered consensual.

I don't believe for a minute that there is any statement claiming Natalee acted, or said anything more strange than however she was acting and talking in Carlos and Charlies that evening - having been observed by several people other than the suspects. If there is such a statement, why after all this time and a call for a boycott has it yet to be produced? Any respectable journalist would have asked for that by now, if not originally. None of the TV talking heads have.

Consequently there is no veracity whatsoever to the drugged charge - Beth Twitty simply feels Natalee was said to have been acting and talking in a manner inconsistent with how Beth thinks she would have been. That is not what some other witnesses who knew Natalee say at all. One remarked that it seemed some of the very best of the good girls, including Natalee were the ones acting the most wild that last night of the trip.

As far as performing sexual acts - why not describe them? If any are described in a legitimate statement as regards what took place in the car I don't believe they go beyond touching, kissing or petting. That is not a universal definition of sexual acts.

Again, people are being asked to try and tank the economy of an entire island, yet not one reasonable question as to the details of why has ever been asked of the main proponent of the boycott. It is beyond fair to demand more information if we are to comply with this request. It's ridiculous that this is going on without any real questions being asked as to the substantive whys and wherefores of any boycott.

COSBY: Do you believe that rape charges should be filed, Beth? Because even in light of that, look at what Deepak said. Deepak said, you know, in the comment with Jamie Skeeters (ph), the polygrapher and investigator who was down there—you and I both know—I mean, he essentially said, We all had sex with her. And then we know that he was—you know, in and out of consciousness. Don‘t you think that that‘s enough to even go after possible rape charges?

TWITTY: You know, Rita, I cannot—I just—I have a hard time—I just can‘t believe that they cannot, you know, bring charges against him for rape. I mean, it‘s just so clear—well, no, it‘s not just clear, it‘s crystal clear that these men have committed this crime against Natalee. I mean, it‘s a gang rape.

No, it isn't clear at all. In fact, there is nothing but the continued hyperbole from a distraught mother to even suggest such a thing. Actually, we know nothing of these alleged events Beth Twitty would have us believe. I at least suspect that if we did know the truth it would be easy to conclude that under the laws of any nation, Holland, America, etc. there would be no grounds for rape, let alone gang rape. No one, and certainly not Beth Twitty has produced a single shred of credible evidence of any rape.

COSBY: How frustrated are you, Beth, when you see this interview, too, and here he is in Holland, having a good old time, hanging out, like - and then he said—there was another, part, too. We showed a little clip (INAUDIBLE) show last night, Beth, where he essentially said, I‘m not going to tell you everything now, I‘ll tell you at some point. How outraged are you? Give us the whole story.

TWITTY: Oh, Rita, it is so difficult to—you know, every time I hear this interview from Joran, I just—I mean, I just can‘t believe that these words are coming from him and—you know, because I‘ve seen his statements, and I‘ve read five of them, or had them translated. And you know, that‘s what needs to be read. And where Joran is describing that he‘s having sex with her at his home and—you know, it‘s just amazing that he still continues to place all the blame on Natalee. I mean, he‘s saying that the reason why was because Natalee was drunk. It was her fault, because she wanted to go with him. I mean, he accepts absolutely none of this responsibility.

Actually, the only thing that can be confirmed is that Beth Twitty continues to make the most terrible of accusations from these statements that she's seen - and apparently no one else in the world has. It's time someone asks her to either produce them, or stop defaming any of the suspects. I have repeatedly addressed the notion that her having any so-called legitimate statements as all but impossible. Still, not one would be journalist covering this story for TV seems the least bit interested in seeing any evidence. That's a circus, or not even, more just a side show than a responsible broadcast. These people are leaving their ethics in the Green Room - assuming they ever had any to begin with.

COSBY: Yes, it‘s outrageous. It‘s everybody else‘s fault but his own. Beth, what do you hope to achieve, also, with—with these new folks, with Eliot Curson and also Marty Trichon? What do you—what do you hope? Do you hope to call for sort of an overall boycott to maybe try to put pressure for more charges?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, we really don‘t know what all might come from this. And you know, as far as my stand on that, I have been asking the millions of people that have supported our family through this, you know, if they would please consider not traveling to Aruba and other Dutch territories, just until Natalee is returned to us. And they—the island has the ability to make this happen.

At this point the media is more responsible for any presumption of guilt than anything we know any of the boys actually did. And as for Beth Twitty calling for support, that call seems to be a one way line as certainly no one is permitted, or has ever bothered to ask her one difficult question about all of the slander she is casting about. Nothing she is doing at this point is consistent with American standards of justice, let alone those of Aruba.

COSBY: What do you think is the most important thing, that these two folks, obviously, very capable folks with their strong backgrounds, having them, having Joe—what is sort of the most important priority with this new group for you?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, it‘s how we‘ve done this whole investigation, and it‘s just, hopefully, a new door will open and we will enter. You know, that‘s how we‘ve looked at this. We feel like we‘ve been on a path. And you know, as long as another door can be opened, we‘re going to go through is it and just see what happens. We just don‘t know yet, Rita.

Apparently that is only true provided the door is pointed towards Aruba. We already can observe how unhappy she is about students on the trip facing additional questions. If the mother is so interested in opening any door, why is it that she has been walking around with nothing but tunnel vision since the very start? Her actions do not support her words at all.

Comments

[greenwing]

Well, Dan, uhm, you know, ....

You did a good job!

[westcoaster]

LOL..Your Posts about this case are starting to sound very angry. You've gone from level-headed to hot-headed. I think you need to take a break, go out back and shoot at some ole beer cans..just pretend they're Beth Twitty's head.....Lock & Load!

[josina]

Don't know why BT gets such a hard time from most folks who post on this site. For God's sake...her daughter is missing! Even if you don't care for Beth's tactics, I believe compassion & mercy is more humane than some of the vicious rhetoric that I have read. Jossy's op/ed put things into perspective in a dignified & caring manner. I hope it hasn't fallen on deaf ears! God Bless everyone!

[nursemind]

I believe compassion & mercy is more humane than some of the vicious rhetoric that I have read. Jossy's op/ed put things into perspective in a dignified & caring manner. I hope it hasn't fallen on deaf ears! God Bless everyone!

Posted by: josina | Nov 13, 2005 1:21:35 AM

Where is some compassion and mercy for Joran and his family and the K brothers. They are still considered innocent but Beth, and her friends like Joe M, have done nothing but make them out to be rapists, pimps, perverts and basically tried to ruin their lives. Coompassion and mercy works two ways.

[nursemind]

On the other side, you have Deepak himself saying they had sex. On video tape.Posted by: DanHatesWomen | Nov 13, 2005 1:31:27 AM

You don't really still believe that tape is legitmate do you?

[letsbefair]

You don't really still believe that tape is legitmate do you?

Posted by: nursemind | Nov 13, 2005 1:37:30 AM

Not after I heard it for the first time...

[Max]

Danny,
You wrote,
"I don't believe they go beyond touching, kissing or petting"
Great. Where's YOUR evidence?

A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE; WHERE'S BETH'S EVIDENCE?

[josina]

Compassion & mercy have to begin somewhere! Maybe it will spread if Jossy's words penetrated the hearts of those who read them. God Bless!

[nursemind]

Not after I heard it for the first time...

Posted by: letsbefair | Nov 13, 2005 1:42:23 AM
LOL!!! Me too but for some the "tape" has become hard evidence. Dr. Phil sure fools some.

[letsbefair]

LOL..Your Posts about this case are starting to sound very angry.

Posted by: westcoaster | Nov 13, 2005 1:18:36 AM

Someone needs to get angry. I havn't seen this big of an MSM hoax since Dan Rather's Bush memos. I think it's about time some of these other "talking heads" get the axe as well.

[Max]

Don't know why BT gets such a hard time from most folks who post on this site. For God's sake...her daughter is missing! Even if you don't care for Beth's tactics, I believe compassion & mercy is more humane than some of the vicious rhetoric that I have read. Jossy's op/ed put things into perspective in a dignified & caring manner. I hope it hasn't fallen on deaf ears! God Bless everyone!

Posted by: josina | Nov 13, 2005 1:21:35 AM

Where is your compassion and mercy for an entire island full of innocent people who Beth and company want to starve?
What did the little children on that island ever do to you or Beth?
As far as your remarks on Jossy... that is the first time I have ever heard of a drug lord being characterized as "dignified and caring"!

[letsbefair]

A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE; WHERE'S BETH'S EVIDENCE?

Posted by: Max | Nov 13, 2005 1:46:15 AM

There's never been any. Just an endless stream of false accusations. Each one more outlandish than the first. Next they'll be saying the entire Dutch government is in on the "cover-up".

[portland]

COSBY: Do you believe that rape charges should be filed, Beth? Because even in light of that, look at what Deepak said. Deepak said, you know, in the comment with Jamie Skeeters (ph), the polygrapher and investigator who was down there—you and I both know—I mean, he essentially said, We all had sex with her. And then we know that he was—you know, in and out of consciousness. Don‘t you think that that‘s enough to even go after possible rape charges?

TWITTY: You know, Rita, I cannot—I just—I have a hard time—I just can‘t believe that they cannot, you know, bring charges against him for rape. I mean, it‘s just so clear—well, no, it‘s not just clear, it‘s crystal clear that these men have committed this crime against Natalee. I mean, it‘s a gang rape.

No, it isn't clear at all. In fact, there is nothing but the continued hyperbole from a distraught mother to even suggest such a thing. Actually, we know nothing of these alleged events Beth Twitty would have us believe. I at least suspect that if we did know the truth it would be easy to conclude that under the laws of any nation, Holland, America, etc. there would be no grounds for rape, let alone gang rape. No one, and certainly not Beth Twitty has produced a single shred of credible evidence of any rape.

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How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony (regarding romantic/sexual activity that night). Obviously there is SOME evidence in the statements that some sort of felony was committed. So please don't just attack Beth for this, we have people on the inside of the investigation who DO have access to such documents saying similar things. Dave Holloway has made the same claims as well, so I cam curious as to why you focus exsclusively on Beth.

[portland]

COSBY: Do you believe that rape charges should be filed, Beth? Because even in light of that, look at what Deepak said. Deepak said, you know, in the comment with Jamie Skeeters (ph), the polygrapher and investigator who was down there—you and I both know—I mean, he essentially said, We all had sex with her. And then we know that he was—you know, in and out of consciousness. Don‘t you think that that‘s enough to even go after possible rape charges?

TWITTY: You know, Rita, I cannot—I just—I have a hard time—I just can‘t believe that they cannot, you know, bring charges against him for rape. I mean, it‘s just so clear—well, no, it‘s not just clear, it‘s crystal clear that these men have committed this crime against Natalee. I mean, it‘s a gang rape.

No, it isn't clear at all. In fact, there is nothing but the continued hyperbole from a distraught mother to even suggest such a thing. Actually, we know nothing of these alleged events Beth Twitty would have us believe. I at least suspect that if we did know the truth it would be easy to conclude that under the laws of any nation, Holland, America, etc. there would be no grounds for rape, let alone gang rape. No one, and certainly not Beth Twitty has produced a single shred of credible evidence of any rape.

--------------------------------------

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony (regarding romantic/sexual activity that night). Obviously there is SOME evidence in the statements that some sort of felony was committed. So please don't just attack Beth for this, we have people on the inside of the investigation who DO have access to such documents saying similar things. Dave Holloway has made the same claims as well, so I cam curious as to why you focus exsclusively on Beth.

[annie]

What I find saddest about this entire mess of a case is that no one seems to be focusing on Natalee and really trying to figure out where she is. There are people pointing fingers at some potential suspects. There are people pointing fingers at a "corrupt" government in Aruba, there are people pointing fingers at Beth, but what about just someone plugging away trying to learn the real truth? I think that is what Dave is trying to do, but I honestly have no clue how he is going to succeed in going about it because of all of the raised tension surrounding this case. I wish for once everyone would act like an adult and realize that they would all succeed a lot better in finding out what happened if they would work together. Yes, mistakes were made all of the place in this case (on all sides), but why constantly rehash that instead of looking for her? Yikes, this case is so frustrating!

[portland]

What I find saddest about this entire mess of a case is that no one seems to be focusing on Natalee and really trying to figure out where she is. There are people pointing fingers at some potential suspects. There are people pointing fingers at a "corrupt" government in Aruba, there are people pointing fingers at Beth, but what about just someone plugging away trying to learn the real truth? I think that is what Dave is trying to do, but I honestly have no clue how he is going to succeed in going about it because of all of the raised tension surrounding this case. I wish for once everyone would act like an adult and realize that they would all succeed a lot better in finding out what happened if they would work together. Yes, mistakes were made all of the place in this case (on all sides), but why constantly rehash that instead of looking for her? Yikes, this case is so frustrating!

Posted by: annie | Nov 13, 2005 2:04:48 AM

I think pretty much everyone has come to the conclusion now that Natalee is no longer with us, thus the lack of focus on trying to find her and instead on trying to find out WHAT happened.

[letsbefair]

Yes, mistakes were made all of the place in this case (on all sides), but why constantly rehash that instead of looking for her? Yikes, this case is so frustrating!

Posted by: annie | Nov 13, 2005 2:04:48 AM

The Mountain Brook side knows what happened. Natalee was gangraped and killed by Joran & friends, and his dad Paulus. The Aruban authorities have her body and are hiding it. It's all a big cover up. No need to look any more. It's time to raise an army for battle, with Aruba in their sites.

[letsbefair]

Greta,

YOU are far more full of BULLSHIT than Beth Twitty! Your whole line of defense is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to slander J2K with absolutely no proof of one damn thing you say or claim to know. The fact is Greta, you don't know shit about this case. There is not one thing you have said that warrants slaming Joran or the Kalpoes. SO the f*&^k what she was drinking oh my god .. So what she was drunk... Big Deal! or so you seem to think you know this for a "fact" you don't..... I am so sick of your f&*(King slams agaisnt everone one involved with this case. Specifically when you have NOTHING to back up one damn thing you have to say....

Greta you have distorted every damn thing you can to your sick pathetic way of thinking..... There are far more known facts of what was lied about by Beth as well as Jossy. As I have said before you are a hypocrite. Remove the link to Dave's request for donations.....

Posted by: Scott | Nov 13, 2005 2:27:13 AM

I hope you don't mind me fixing your typos Scott :D

[letsbefair]

Posted by: Scott | Nov 13, 2005 2:37:06 AM

Don't forget to donate to the trust fund. They need another $20 million for expenses like Matt's new truck, and you know, Jug and Beth havn't been able to work. They should probably just retire already. Thanks to generous folks like you Scott.

[Dan]

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony

How about this - if so, than why hasnt he been charged?

[Scott]

Here I corrected it for you letsbefair I dont want you to be confused

Dan,

YOU are far more full of BULLSHIT than Beth Twitty! Your whole line of defense is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to slander Beth with absolutely no proof of one damn thing you say or claim to know. The fact is Dan, you don't know shit about this case. There is not one thing you have said that warrants slaming Beth or Natalee. SO the f*&^k what she was drinking oh my god .. So what she was drunk... Big Deal! or so you seem to think you know this for a "fact" you don't..... I am so sick of your f&*(King slams agaisnt everone one involved with this case. Specifically when you have NOTHING to back up one damn thing you have to say....

Dan you have distorted every damn thing you can to your sick pathetic way of thinking..... There are far more known facts of what was lied about by Joran as well as K2. As I have said before you are a hypocrite. Remove the link to Dave's request for donations.....

[Scott]

Dan,

YOU are far more full of BULLSHIT than Beth Twitty! Your whole line of defense is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to slander Beth with absolutely no proof of one damn thing you say or claim to know. The fact is Dan, you don't know shit about this case. There is not one thing you have said that warrants slaming Beth or Natalee. SO the f*&^k what she was drinking oh my god .. So what she was drunk... Big Deal! or so you seem to think you know this for a "fact" you don't..... I am so sick of your f&*(King slams agaisnt everone one involved with this case. Specifically when you have NOTHING to back up one damn thing you have to say....

Dan you have distorted every damn thing you can to your sick pathetic way of thinking..... There are far more known facts of what was lied about by Joran as well as K2. As I have said before you are a hypocrite. Remove the link to Dave's request for donations.....

[Scott]

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony

How about this - if so, than why hasnt he been charged?

Posted by: Dan | Nov 13, 2005 2:56:13 AM

Because they are a bunch of Crooks and knee deep in a cover up

[Anarinda]

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony

How about this - if so, than why hasnt he been charged?

Posted by: Dan | Nov 13, 2005 2:56:13 AM

And there you have it. No answer. Another nothing. Just another zilch.

[George]

Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony
------------------------------
And there you have it. No answer. Another nothing. Just another zilch.

Posted by: Anarinda | Nov 13, 2005 3:26:52 AM

Where (link?) did Dompig "admit" that, to begin with?

[portland]

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony

How about this - if so, than why hasnt he been charged?

Posted by: Dan | Nov 13, 2005 2:56:13 AM

Because I would assume you would need more than just a confession by Joran to go forward with a charge. More than likely, you would need Natalee to make some sort of complaint. That is just my guess though.

Dompig's own explanation was that Joran had given varying statements and had retracted some others, so he wouldn't be credible enough to be charged solely on his own words.

Still, I think it is a mistake for you to say that there is no evidence suggesting a rape and to focus solely on Beth's accusations as if she is the only one saying such things. We have heard this now from Beth, from Dave, and from Dompig. Obviously there is some evidence to suggest an assault of some sort.

[boywonder]

How about this, Dompig himself admitted that what Joran said in a statement amounted to a felony

How about this - if so, than why hasnt he been charged?

Posted by: Dan | Nov 13, 2005 2:56:13 AM

Because Joran's Daddy works for the mob.

[Brooke]

NOTHING that ever came out of the mouth of BT made sense from day one, there is a major coverup and it smells and the stench is coming from Mountain Brook Alabama!

Beth the Twit ty exploited her missing daughter and allowed all the talking heads, politicians, and people who are "donating" to keep the coverup going!

Investigate and follow the money!

[findnat]

Dan,

YOU are far more full of BULLSHIT than Beth Twitty! Your whole line of defense is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to slander Beth with absolutely no proof of one damn thing you say or claim to know. The fact is Dan, you don't know shit about this case. There is not one thing you have said that warrants slaming Beth or Natalee. SO the f*&^k what she was drinking oh my god .. So what she was drunk... Big Deal! or so you seem to think you know this for a "fact" you don't..... I am so sick of your f&*(King slams agaisnt everone one involved with this case. Specifically when you have NOTHING to back up one damn thing you have to say....

Dan you have distorted every damn thing you can to your sick pathetic way of thinking..... There are far more known facts of what was lied about by Joran as well as K2. As I have said before you are a hypocrite. Remove the link to Dave's request for donations.....

Posted by: Scott | Nov 13, 2005 3:18:40 AM

Yes. I agree. Dan needs to remove the link to Dave's request for donations...

I will try to contact the family and ask them to request so from Dan.

[CitizenDick]

Because Joran's Daddy works for the mob.

Posted by: boywonder | Nov 13, 2005 7:48:01 AM

That would mean he works for Jossy.

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

[RealityBased]

Dan,
I find it interesting that while Beth cannot or will not produce these alleged statements from Joran, she certainly was quick to produce a copy of a letter where Karin J couldn't meet with her at the time Beth wanted to.

I think Beth was trying to avoid talking to Karin this last trip, and Karin went to the police station and beat Beth at her own cat and mouse game.

Just as we needed to sort out what the meaning of "is" is, we need to sort out the meaning of "meeting." LOL

I still can't figure out why MSM, the Twitty's and the Holloways think ALE and the prosecutor are going to give them the information they have in an ongoing investigation.

In the USA when a gag order is placed on a case I don't hear MSM beating up LE, the prosecutor and/or the judge. What gives them the right to do that with this case? It appears the Aruban/Dutch system places what appears to be a gag order on a case at the beginning of it's investigation.

Why do the Twitty/Holloways think they should get a daily update from LE and the prosecutor? Would that happen here in the US? The FBI has been an integral part of this investigation from day one, whether Beth/Dave or the media want to admit it; and it appears that even those briefings made by the FBI to the families isnt' good enough.

It seems these people are more hell bent on getting the investigation compromised and thrown out.

[Pearl in USA]

"Why not ask the questions?"

I believe it is fair to say that this case has been nothing but questions and I can't really think of any one that has been overlooked.

"Why not get the answers?"

On this we are slim to none due to no verification/proof of any of the possibilities and/or thoughts and questions of this case.

A google search using "Dompig said" will bring you to all the chatter and questions and speculation duly noted and printed by news avenues of Arubans, Americans and others.

Official investigator statements are inconsistent and are pro and con depending on where they were made and who was asking the questions.

This is a gripping case because we know thru coverage so many of the players of this story. We have compassion, we have hate, we have the fence sitters. Again what we don't have is the proof to put weight on any one theory more than another.

I still believe there are people on the island who could help provide the missing links. I do not think the persons of interest have not talked about what did and didn't happen that night. I hope the parents of those in the circle of friends, the exschoolmates and other acquaintances have taken the time to ask their own what if anything they have heard or know. I hope that if something sounds even slightly connected or implied that could become the littlest piece of the puzzle that they contact the police and provide the information.

While this case continues I will be hoping for the best and preparing for the worse. JMO

[jim]

Dan, enjoyed his place being quoted in the paper on Aruba.

[Pearl in USA]

Dan, enjoyed his place being quoted in the paper on Aruba.

Posted by: jim | Nov 13, 2005 9:11:48 AM

-----I have found it interesting the sites and articles that have been used in a favorable light by Aruban officials. MO

[moey]

They need to get everyone scheduled for formal statements before a court reporter with the ALE, FBI present. Ask all the pertinent questions of EVERYONE including ALL the family members, MB kids, chaperones, travel arrangers, hotel workers and get it nailed down as much as they can. Of course so much time has passed now, why they didn't do this immediately I can't understand. No one should have been allowed to leave that hotel/country until formal statements had been taken and if it was the Twittys that were stopping that from happening and withholding cameras, cell phones, then her complaining now is bogus.

You can't have it both ways. When something like this happens, your private life becomes an open book for the world to see. That's just the way it is.

I also don't understand the phones. My granddaughter is going to South America next spring and I checked with Cingular and they told me that I only had to come in four weeks early and tell them we wanted international on her phone and she could call 911, 800 numbers or anywhere while there.

There is just layer upon layer of mystery in this case. IMHO

[lovaruba]

They need to get everyone scheduled for formal statements before a court reporter with the ALE, FBI present. Ask all the pertinent questions of EVERYONE including ALL the family members, MB kids, chaperones, travel arrangers, hotel workers and get it nailed down as much as they can. Of course so much time has passed now, why they didn't do this immediately I can't understand. No one should have been allowed to leave that hotel/country until formal statements had been taken and if it was the Twittys that were stopping that from happening and withholding cameras, cell phones, then her complaining now is bogus.

You can't have it both ways. When something like this happens, your private life becomes an open book for the world to see. That's just the way it is.

I also don't understand the phones. My granddaughter is going to South America next spring and I checked with Cingular and they told me that I only had to come in four weeks early and tell them we wanted international on her phone and she could call 911, 800 numbers or anywhere while there.

There is just layer upon layer of mystery in this case. IMHO

Posted by: moey | Nov 13, 2005 9:24:26

THE TWITTIES DON'T WANT THIS HAPPENED,TO MUCH TO HIDE,A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK THIS ALL THE TIME.

LOVARUBA

[> ~~ iwabwu ~~ <]

"Actually, the only thing that can be confirmed is that Beth Twitty continues to make the most terrible of accusations from these statements that she's seen - and apparently no one else in the world has. "
=================
Van Zandt has see the statements -

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9398540/

"Van Zandt: Father knows best, at least in Aruba
Former FBI profiler updates the Natalee Holloway case"

"In the case of Natalee Holloway, I saw a confession that Joran van der Sloot had allegedly given to four Aruban police officers, one of many of the so called confessions or different"Paulus van der Sloot supposedly told his son and both Kalpoe brothers, “No body, no crime.” Father does know best sometimes, and the senior van der Sloot, Esq., may well be right in this case."

versions of his story, concerning the night Natalee disappeared. In this statement van der Sloot said Deepak Kalpoe sexually assaulted, murdered, and buried Natalee. In another statement Joran allegedly said that he took Natalee to his house (he lives in an apartment detached from his parent’s residence in a middle class area of Aruba) where he had sex with the teenage girl while she was semiconscious. Joran then said he took Natalee to a beach close to her hotel, near the so-called “fisherman’s hut,” where he allegedly left her passed out or asleep on the sand. (I’ve visited the “fisherman’s hut”; it is in fact a few small shacks, where fishermen clean their catch. These shacks provide no protection from the elements or from any potential predator or assailant.) "

~~~~~ How can so many people be fooled by one woman? I don't think they can. I'd like to know what she's holding.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9741532/
"Beth believes Aruban police intentionally left key information out of initial written statements. This information, provided by the three suspects, included the details of the suspects’ alleged illegal intimate contact with Natalee. If true this would suggest a cover-up, a conspiracy or at best professional incompetence. I usually don’t believe in complicated conspiracy theories, but in this case it’s hard to totally rule out conspiracy or cover-up, and incompetence seems too simple an answer. I do know that Beth believes that Joran’s specific and statements concerning Natalee could only have been the result of intimate physical contact. The issue that the police need to overcome is simple though; if such intimate contact took place, was the contact consensual or non-consensual? Unfortunately the best witness, Natalee herself, vanished four months ago. "

[> ~~ iwabwu ~~ <]

While this case continues I will be hoping for the best and preparing for the worse. JMO

Posted by: Pearl in USA | Nov 13, 2005 9:08:37 AM

I just hope for the truth. Evidence can be destroyed, evidence can be altered, but the truth will alway be the truth. We may not find out what it is for years to come.

Lack of evidence does not mean one has the truth of what happened that night.

[Pearl in USA]

While this case continues I will be hoping for the best and preparing for the worse. JMO

Posted by: Pearl in USA | Nov 13, 2005 9:08:37 AM

I just hope for the truth. Evidence can be destroyed, evidence can be altered, but the truth will alway be the truth. We may not find out what it is for years to come.

Lack of evidence does not mean one has the truth of what happened that night.

Posted by: > ~~ iwabwu ~~ < | Nov 13, 2005 9:47:57 AM

----The truth would be the best, whatever that turns out to be. My best would be that Natalee is found alive. My best would include that if Natalee is found to be not alive, the guilty are determined and rightfully punished. My best would be answers and closure for the family.

The worse would be that we never get the answers. The worse would be that Nataleee is never found alive or dead and the family never gets closure.

It is a horrific situation when somewhere there is someone who has all the answers. I hope the circle of justice locates the person or persons who has the answers and delivers proper consequences upon the or them. JMO

[countrygal]

I believe Geraldo DID ask for Beth to send him the documents when she spoke of them; funny how he was no longer included in the coverage afterward. Makes a person wonder....

[RealityBased]

I wouldn't be surprised that Joe Mammamo is and has been under FBI surveillance. So maybe it's a good thing Beth has aligned herself with him. Especially since after the 5 hour meeting ALE had with the FBI it was decided to go back to Alabama. There was nothing to stop the FBI from placing a wiretap on the phones in AL or on the cell phones, afterall, Beth was claiming Natalee was kidnapped and you just never know when a ransom call is going to come in.

Wonder if Jossy's calls to the States are monitored...

[NedNederlander]

its all crap journalism ...BT is the real victim here (since NH is most likely no more)... She thinks she is helping the case when in fact she is doing the opposite from the very start...and nobody has the heart or courage to tell her that. They (greta,nancy, rita,Dr.stalin) all feed her manic desperation for their own good (hopping on the ratings bandwagon). Not caring about fundamentals like innocent until proven guilty. I know for sure that if karin janssen told BT all about her investigation (which she isnt even allowed to do by dutch law) it would have been right out there the next day causing all kinds of evidence and witnesses to become inadmissable. Dutch legal system is very sensitive to mistakes made by prosecution. You dont want a winning case to fail cos of hysterical antics on FOX!

greets from holland!

greets NED

[katya]

Dan,
I find it interesting that while Beth cannot or will not produce these alleged statements from Joran, she certainly was quick to produce a copy of a letter where Karin J couldn't meet with her at the time Beth wanted to.

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When did Beth produve the letter from KJ. I must have missed it. TIA

[berry]

TWITTY: You know, Rita, I cannot—I just—I have a hard time—I just can‘t believe that they cannot, you know, bring charges against him for rape. I mean, it‘s just so clear—well, no, it‘s not just clear, it‘s crystal clear that these men have committed this crime against Natalee. I mean, it‘s a gang rape.

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Excuse me but...

Is there any opposing testimony that Natalee was only drinking seltzer water or coke? Or was she essentially, on her last night, hammered? Does anyone testify that Natalee did not ask the bartender, by name, to pour a shooter in her navel, so Joran could lick it out? Is there anyone at all who will say Natalee fought to try to extricate herself from the car or appeared dazed and confused?

Where is the expert testimony that alot of booze, partying hearty, and snuggled up in the backseat of a car in the wee hours, does not sometimes lend itself to drowsiness? I get sleepy just writing about it.

So exactly what facts are known to suggest that Natalee was not a willing or even aggressive partner in a consensual lovemaking scenario? Two drunk teens having "sex" or necking on the beach. Like that has never happened before.

[bizman]

It seems that Alabama has a new tragedy to face this morning.Yes even a more important issue than all of the missing people from Alabama.
When will the suffering end for the folk from Alabama????

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[reality]

the answers are in alabama,
in aruba we are at a dead end,
to be continued in the us,
if permission is not given the case will be closed !

reality

[TxGirl]

Beth believes Aruban police intentionally left key information out of initial written statements. This information, provided by the three suspects, included the details of the suspects’ alleged illegal intimate contact with Natalee. If true this would suggest a cover-up, a conspiracy or at best professional incompetence. I usually don’t believe in complicated conspiracy theories, but in this case it’s hard to totally rule out conspiracy or cover-up, and incompetence seems too simple an answer. I do know that Beth believes that Joran’s specific and statements concerning Natalee could only have been the result of intimate physical contact. The issue that the police need to overcome is simple though; if such intimate contact took place, was the contact consensual or non-consensual? Unfortunately the best witness, Natalee herself, vanished four months ago. "

Posted by: > ~~ iwabwu ~~ < | Nov 13, 2005 9:45:07 AM

I always appreciate your sincere postings. But you have 2 key words in the 3rd sentence above - IF TRUE. And regarding the simple issue - may look simple but proving it, charging the 3 boys and trying to convince a court of their guilt, IMO, is far from a simple issue.

[greenwing]

No one should have been allowed to leave that hotel/country until formal statements had been taken and if it was the Twittys that were stopping that from happening and withholding cameras, cell phones, then her complaining now is bogus.

Posted by: lovaruba | Nov 13, 2005 9:38:23 AM

They were long gone before she was reported missing.

[sidney]

Hi everyone again..

[sidney]

so what's everyone saying..