Is Natalee Holloway Still Alive?

I've been getting bits of information on this topic for a week or two now. Though really there isn't much to say. However, Beth Twitty is apparently scheduled to be on the Dr. Phil Show on Thursday - possibly discussing a phone call in which she heard Natalee's voice.

Additionally, it is rumored that she will state that she may now believe as Dr. Phil does, that Natalee is still alive. It's unclear how that reconciles with previous statements from Natalee's Mother in which I thought she had accused the three suspects of murder. It's possible this is based on new information.

In additional to Beth Twitty, I believe Ty Ritter is also scheduled to be on:

Ty Ritter has been in the business of protection since his  service in the Marine Corps where he bodyguarded officers, politicians, dignitaries and couriers.

After completing his military service, Ty formed a company which privately contracted with the U.S. government to conduct high-risk special operations in foreign countries.

Ty began specializing in kidnap recovery and kidnap prevention. To date, Ty Ritter and his team have recovered thirty-two kidnap victims from countries all over the world. Over half of the victims were children taken by strangers and sold into sexual slavery.

I'm unfamiliar with Ty Ritter's background but did find one additional link for him at this time - a site apparently dealing with movie and television scripts in development based upon his life.

TV Bodyguard (hour drama) Based on True Incidents in the Life of Ty Ritter - A young bodyguard working for his mentor, a Las Vegas Syndicate boss, battles to stay alive and avoid the corruption that surrounds him during a turf war between The Syndicate and The Mob for control of the city.

And

Double-Edged Sword (action drama) Based on True Incidents in the Life of Ty Ritter A fomer Marine defies the Federal Government by rescuing children who have been kidnapped from the U.S. and sold into slavery overseas. He's been shot, stabbed and thrown into jail, but what gives him the most pain are the hardships that his wife and young daughter are forced to endure because of his drive to follow his calling.

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[cindi in pa]

Just don't call me late for dinner...

Posted by: CitizenDick | Nov 14, 2005 10:59:04 PM

if we were married and you took my last name, you would always be known as Dick Later lol.

IN.............NJ is a wonderful place, the jersey shore is like an all day carnival! At 48 yrs old I still love going there. Cotton candy, sausage sandwhiches, snow cones, rides, games, people watching. And ewwwwwwww yeah, sand in your crothch after a day on the beach.

[ustt]

Joe DOES NOT BELONG TO THE MAFIA!
(by cindi)

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Cindi, have you not heard of the "Scicilian mafia"?

Any mafia whether it is the Italian or Scicilian is a family. They love there mothers and they are a FAMILY! And when they make a promise they keep it - until one of you dies.

People should take to heart what this Joe fella is saying.

He may never step foot on Aruba but you can bet he will know every thing about Aruba before this is over.

Holland can sit over there and think they have it all under control, but trust me, with this guy's involvement, they don't. And Aruba may think they have a lid on it but they don't now.

It's like somebody in a prison putting out a "hit" on you. You will never know who to be afraid of because you will never know the face of the person who is your biggest enemy. You will know who put out the "hit" but you won't know who is there to do his work.

The Holloway family want their daughter. That's the long and the short of it. It would have been much smarter for the van der Sloots and Kalpoes to have even "allowed" somebody to find Natalee. Then this would be over. (if they had had sex w/her then of course they could not allow her to be found very early in the search)... The fact that they didn't makes me think either she is burnt ashes and they can't produce her or she is alive somewhere. And if they truly had just molested her on the beach or wherever (?van der Sloot's house///let's ask Wever!!!) and left her on the beach, it would have been better to have just spoke up/told the truth and said we left her on the beach and don't know where she is.

Actually it makes one wonder that if she is ashes somewhere from them getting rid of her, why they didn't just say "we left her on the beach" and stuck to their story. But we have Deepak saying they all had sex with her and Joran saying Deepak probably raped and killed her. So that's pretty bad story telling. So that screws that up.

If they had had her at the VDS house which I fully suspect since Paulus would never let a search be done of the house ---- and she ended up with a fatal injury and Paulus didn't want a dead body on his hands, he probably had her carried off the island by Wever and now he can't produce even a body for the family to be at rest about. He probably had her body taken from the island by Wever and his garbage service. Just my opinion.

But if the boys had left her on the beach after raping her, and Natalee is "lost" at someone else's hands, well, there's too much wrong with that scenerio. Patrols on the beach. Early morning guests/runners on the beach. Just too much activity on the beach for even a drunk, or passed out person to have been on the beach for long before being discovered.

If they left her at a party as Shango suggests and she is in harms way having gone into sex slavery. No matter what happened, Joe's people will be finding out "things." I trust this.

[cindi in pa]

If they left her at a party as Shango suggests and she is in harms way having gone into sex slavery. No matter what happened, Joe's people will be finding out "things." I trust this.

Posted by: ustt | Nov 14, 2005 11:04:07 PM

Here is the deal. My family is in Philly politics, my aunt is a judge, uncle labor relations, cousin under cover narcotics. Plus, the news is the news. JM is not MAFFIA of any kind, that has been known for a very long time, not just before this case started. Also JM likes to wine and dine the police comish, he is not the type of man that would risk his reputation on that of a MAFFIA member, even though I object to his taking a free ride now and then, he would not risk hanging with a Mafia crowd.

[cindi in pa]

If they left her at a party as Shango suggests and she is in harms way having gone into sex slavery. No matter what happened, Joe's people will be finding out "things." I trust this.

Posted by: ustt | Nov 14, 2005 11:04:07 PM

Don't count on that. Several people have already reported his threats to the FBI. I myself will call Philadelphia tomorrow morning and report this so called letter from JM to whatever politicians I can get my hands on, as well as the Governor of our state. Which I also have connections too.

[Observer*]

ustt
Mafia.....that does not fit, but the rest of your post is pretty good.
Suzan

[cindi in pa]

usst, and yes I have enough experience with Italians and Greeks and their tough guy attitude. After spending an hour standing next to them in a club, when I turn to walk away and have in my hands, not just the money from their pocket, but their wallet as well, turn and hand them a bottle of Uzo, I just lifted from behind the bar. They would often want to hire me. I wasn't looking for a job, just to humiliate them for what they are. I grew up in Philadelphia, have met the best of them. They are all still punks.

[cindi in pa]

Anyhow, waiting for Black Friday shopping, wonder if they will have the latest Dr. Phill, BHT toilet paper availabe for gag gifts.

[david r]

I think all this "Natalee is alive" speculation is far-fetched and cruel. Is this something Dan did to get back at SM ? Isn't there a "witness" who Dompig knows about but will not interrogate, who took a little boat ride early that morning ? Dan, where's the real journalist when we need him ?

[truthbetold]

oh for goodness sakes beth is about wearing my last bit of patience - she just said last week she was "shocked and angered" at dr phil's comments on the tonight show that natalee was in mexico etc...now here she is going on tv again with the man like she never said such a thing - this woman lies as easily as she breathes

[CitizenDick]

if we were married and you took my last name, you would always be known as Dick Later lol.

Posted by: cindi in pa | Nov 14, 2005 11:03:17 PM

I've never had anyone try to steal my heart on a forum before.

[Belsma]

As a mother myself and many of us are here, I would probably "jump" at the chance that my missing child could be alive! It may be a "fantasy" in this case, but sometimes that's what keeps people going. Who wants to accept that thier "baby" might be dead, especially without a body? I don't care what BT has said, she's certainly more composed than I would be if it was my girl.

[iiiangelgirliii]

If they left her at a party as Shango suggests and she is in harms way having gone into sex slavery. No matter what happened, Joe's people will be finding out "things." I trust this.

Posted by: ustt | Nov 14, 2005 11:04:07 PM

mob is funny though, theres ALWAYS A PRICE, something you might want to ponder.

[Amber]

Another nut job. This case is like a train wreck, you just wonder what they will do next.

[R. Decker]

I would be absolutely thrilled if Natalee is alive!! I Pray she is!!

[wreck]

COWBOYS!

[Shell]

It would be a miracle and a spectacular event for Natalee to be found, alive. Anything is possible. But, since this seems to be coming from the same spin doctors as perpetrated the Skeeters tape, and Hurricane Katrina, which was a conspiracy to free the suspects, I am dubious of this new spin.

Especially coming with this expensive kidnap recovery specialist, I am wondering if this is just another way to keep the ratings, keep the stories fresh, and keep the money pouring into the trust fund?

I hate being cynical, but, I don't trust the Twitty organization, with their affiliations with organized criminals, the media blitz, and the like. It seems like this may be just another way to freshen up a dessicated story and keep Beth as a star for another wretched season of "You know, well, you know...eh, I can't tell you, you know?"

[letsbefair]

If this is true, then why in the world go public if you may attempt a recovery?

Posted by: Wayne | Nov 14, 2005 9:54:36 PM

It's sweeps month and Phil wants the ratings?

[Amber]

I am sure that Beth Twitty regrets that she has but one daughter to sacrifice for Dr Phils ratings.

[Minnie]

I used to come to this site for real news, but your reporting on this story is soooo incredibly biased, I can barely come back to read on.

I can't help but feel your new-found critical tone on Beth Twitty is more for positioning yourself as a journalist going "against the grain" than out of legitimate proof of anything.

I think you're trying to get on more TV talk shows by having a different spin on this story.

[Hobo]

ustt: you've been watching too much TV. The 'mob' does things on a priority basis, like "what's important here?" The code has changed, my friend, but you don't have to take my word for it. I was in the mix in the '60s in the East then later in the '80s and '90s on the West coast. A case in point about the code change and prioritizing would be the John Gotti case. Sammy the Bull (his protege' who testified against him) became a gov't witness and sent to Phoenix with his family under the Federal witness program. You don't think the mob didn't know where he was? Almost from day one! Point here is that if Natalee was important to someone up the laddar, they might take an interest; kind of doubt that will be the case. I'm not ragging on you, just offering some insight. By the way, I almost laughed to death when you asked Cindi if she had ever heard of the Sicilianos. I think she could tell stories. Cindi: if I ever get back to New Jersey, I think it would be a joy to have coffee with you.

[truthbetold]

geeez come onnnnn...this is just another ploy by beth for more attention and money for "searches" for goosness sake we all know that if anyone had natalee and was using her as a sex slave they would have gotten rid of her by now with all this freaking publicity....nobody would keep her this long.....use common sense.....beth is making idiots out of everyone once again

[ustt]

yeah I know about the mob too. my old boyfriend was named "Cato Ya-wanna-mea-take-care-of-that-for-you?" Cindi, huh? :)

[ustt]

mob is funny though, theres ALWAYS A PRICE, something you might want to ponder.

Posted by: iiiangelgirliii | Nov 14, 2005 11:48:58 PM

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seems like "the mob" and Aruba speak the same language.

I'm mad and have been steaming during this case because the US couldn't find one FBI agent to send to Aruba to cover this case. One would think with all the foreign language schools, and how much America brags on itself on it's education, somewhere in the State Department they could have found a Dutch-speaking agents of some type to send to Aruba. The interrogations were in Dutch! Duh, of course Aruba would allow the FBI to "sit in" if they knew they didn't speak Dutch.

[KeesVanZandt]

I dont know ...it seems to have become the battle of the talk show hosts...
or who has the biggest "snor". Do we believe geraldo ? who says beth told him the 3 guys raped and murdered NH and then burried her in de sand ? Or dr Phil, who says he now has evidence she is in venezuela performing as a forced prostitute of some kind. Beth is really desperatly trying to somehow put these 2 togheter but it will become very hard for her I think..

Maybe dr. Phil will have the decency to advise her to get some psychiatric help cos she is obviously in some kind of emotional stupor. Running from tv show to tv show is not helping NH come back to her and if in vain she'll destroy herself this way! Shame on al these ratings-milking tv-hosts & "jounalists"!

[bizman]

I've been getting bits of information on this topic for a week or two now. Though really there isn't much to say. However, Beth Twitty is apparently scheduled to be on the Dr. Phil Show on Thursday - possibly discussing a phone call in which she heard Natalee's voice.

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Discussing tapes,screw that.If they have any tapes they should be playing the tapes as long as they are legit.Nothing but the ratings game and no substance as proof.

No doubt Beth is getting paid to participate.

At one time I thought that Nat may have been sold into the sex trade business.Now I think that if she is alive she left of her own accord and simply ran off.Lord knows with a mother like Beth that would not be a stretch.

The reason I do not believe that she is being forced (or even willingly for that matter) to perform in the sex trade is because she is not of the high quality of merchandise that is required to be in demand of such activity.Face it folks,the girl is not all that pretty and she lacks in the boob department.Why would anyone go thru the trouble of abducting her in order to make money?If someone is hellbent on abducting someone for those purposes they would have only taken the risk for the reasons of maximum earning potential.

Now if she is alive she will surface when she is ready and what better time than to be home for the holidays.

I personally think she ran away and if she did meet foul play it was upon her return to the HI and at the hands of someone who she had known for a long time.There is no other reason for all of the kids and the others on the trip to tuck tail and run when one of their own was missing.Sure I can understand a majority of the folks returning but all of them but one chaperone who more than likely may had a reason to remain as to see what was going to transpire and to see who may have been fingered.

It is highly suspect that none of her so called best friends and relatives stayed behind out of concern and never ever returned to help search for her.If she was harmed some of her fellow travelers know exactly what happened.

[Kelly]

I don't think Natalee ran away and never have.It has been my opinion that she was murdered after the gang rape at the Sloot home and Papa Sloot did the covering up. Still my story and I'm sticking to it!!!

[Brooke]

There are TWO major parts to this story that will hang BT for perpetrating a SCAM and that is the time she gets the call her daughter is "missing" FIRST thing out of her mouth "my daughter has been kidnapped" , SECOND piece of evidence the poster that read "hootie call me I have YOUR cell phone".

Reason she starts all this media blitz? To make it look good. She didn't count on Natalee to REALLY gone missing. Than suddenly she starts all these trust funds to collect money.

IF NH is really alive and has been hiding out somewhere after all BT has done I hope they hang her a** along with her accomplice Jug.

[case]

Going by shango theory NH could be dead or alive. This theory is the most credible of all theories on this case. The boys took her to a crackhouse or casino from Carlos N' Charlie not the pack of lies they told and contune to tell. She could have been under drugs as from C & C and at the maze the Lions chased/negotiated with Joran and the Kalpoes and remained with NH. This explains why the boys dare not tell the truth partly in fear of the maffia and partly because they are guilty of kidnapping and human trafficking.
More or less the same explains the cove up. No one has the courage, not even dirtyhand(Police Chief).

[jayjay]

Just checking in real quick this morning as I am working on a project deadline…

For what my two cents are worth, I don't recall the word murder coming out of Beth Twitty's mouth with regard to the three boys ever. The only time I even recall hearing Beth refer to her daughter as "possibly" being deceased was when the ALE classified this as homicide investigation and then retracted it. Her most fervent accusations have always been rape and that the boys know what became of her daughter.

This particular post seems to me on the surface to be yet another “jab” at this woman that she is lying to us all, thus catering to the hate mongers not the rational posters.

C'mon guys, she is unconventional, at times careless and usually not rational, but not EVERY word out of this woman's mouth is some contemptible lie!

Let’s stay on point, there is plenty ammunition for all to ridicule without adding ingredients every day!

[26ANDCOUNTING]

Ok let me get this straight.. We went from gangraping Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness to selling her into slavery? And Joran is responsible for this too? Also, I heard Beth say murder too.. The original charges were for kidnap rape and murder.

[KeesVanZandt]

to be exact BT said they raped & murdered her (JVDS+K2) Then PvdS made it all go away, dumping the body somewhere only the police knows about, but they wont tell her!Thats why we are boycotting aruba (and other Dutch territories)! Geraldo confirmed this was BT's best theory and very believable ...Geraldo also mentioned that "he has no reason to believe BT is leading us all on with this" ... In other words: "Oh no I saw dr Phil last night and it appears I'm wrong here and she didnt get murdered!" Lets leave an avenue open to escape if things go bad : blame it on BT!" I say Geraldo is using BT for ratings ! SHAME on HIM!

I'm now in the dr phil camp until thursday!

[Georgia]

I am with you Kelly. I think she is no longer with us. I hate to be negative but that is what I believe based on all the lies and statements made to the Aruban LE.

[angela]

I have no doubt that Natalee is alive. I just don't think she ran away. It is more likely that she was taken.

[Donna]

If Beth didn't utter the words "murdered" , she sure as heck IMPLIED it.

What was all the landfill, ocean, and sand dunes searches for?

Why did she go on TV all the time complaining that she and Dave were not getting help to find the remains of her daughter in the landfill? Ocean? Sand Dunes? That they needed money for these type of searches to continue?

Why has she said repeatedly that Paulus Van Der Sloot helped in getting rid of Natalees body?

Why last week, was she speaking of a Joen person, using a boat to take Natalee's body out to sea?

[berry]

I doubt that Ty ever rescued a kinapped US child sold into slavery. The US keeps missing kids at the forefront of media attention for weeks and any dramatic rescue of a missing American child would have been covered 24/7.

If Natalee is on the phone after the trio was out of the picture, then logically she may have been spirited off the island to a number of locations by others. The reason why the pressure continues on the trio, is that the family is convinced they are the link.

[Fab]

The HT's should try going on TV of the surrounding countries also if they think there is the slihtest chance that she has been taken to these countries.

Only a poster in Spanish on Aruba won't do the trick if this is the case.

[ustt]

There are TWO major parts to this story that will hang BT for perpetrating a SCAM and that is the time she gets the call her daughter is "missing" FIRST thing out of her mouth "my daughter has been kidnapped" , SECOND piece of evidence the poster that read "hootie call me I have YOUR cell phone".

(snip)
Posted by: Brooke | Nov 15, 2005 7:31:29 AM
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The way I interpreted Dan's post was more like what happened with the girl missing in Mexico from last year where the abductors used her cell phone to contact the parents, but never called back to give the amount of ransom they appeared to be demanding.

I interpreted Dan's post to mean a very weak voice on that call with foreign voices saying who are you who are you?...and she said Natalee....that was to show that they had HER! Her voice was either because she was injured or drugged was my interpretation after the latest description of the call.

and now I have to wonder if the "something bad happened to Natalee" that Satish said was more on the lines of SOMEBODY GOT NATALEE and the boys were TOLD what to say, and VDS stepped in to SAVE his son from the people shango talks about.

[Fab]

I know people in Venezual and such An they have never even heard of the case.

[ustt]

The HT's should try going on TV of the surrounding countries also if they think there is the slihtest chance that she has been taken to these countries.

Only a poster in Spanish on Aruba won't do the trick if this is the case.

Posted by: Fab | Nov 15, 2005 10:18:31 AM

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Beth has put out posters in the other countries, but don't know about going on TV but that's a grand idea.

[ustt]

If Natalee is on the phone after the trio was out of the picture, then logically she may have been spirited off the island to a number of locations by others. The reason why the pressure continues on the trio, is that the family is convinced they are the link.

Posted by: berry | Nov 15, 2005 9:56:49 AM

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I agree berry. I think we could hear the anger in Deepak's voice on the tape - 'If I knew where the body was I'd tell you.'

But whoever has her is certainly powerful - powerful enough to have everybody get lock-jaw.

[nelson]

USST did it ever crossed your mind maybe this other thought that maybe nobody knows where the body is, why and for what reason would a whole island keep an insignificant girl's body, well if there was any body hostage?

[nelson]

Aruba is a very peaceful island for christsake, where all these claims come from, like all these atrocitise exist there???. Any of you ever been there or know anybody from there??? Its and island not a big city. These atrocitise don't happen there.

[kathy]

1) Dan, thank you for a new name... Ty Ritter. I hope the name is enough for a few that post here to pull up the dirt in his past and tell us all about it!

2) It is a known fact that predators involved with "sex-slavery" have one thing in common, repeat rape of the victim. Just because the chance of Natalee being alive doesn't mean sex/rape wasn't involved.

[ustt]

USST did it ever crossed your mind maybe this other thought that maybe nobody knows where the body is, why and for what reason would a whole island keep an insignificant girl's body, well if there was any body hostage?

Posted by: nelson | Nov 15, 2005 10:36:02 AM

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Of course my theories have changed as time has gone one and I hear or read things.

I used to think Deepak's reference to "body" meant he knew she was dead. Now I'm not sure.

I used to think Satish's reference to "something bad happened to Natalee" meant she fell off a cliff, had a bad reaction and died, fell in the pool and hit her head and died --- something along those lines.

But now I see where "body" could have been said because interrogators may have been USING the word BODY and he just parrotted it back.

And "something bad happened..." could in fact mean what ever party they went on to that night, some high rollers took Natalee and Joran and the boys LOST POSSESSION of Natalee.

The boys and Joran could have left that party and left Natalee there rather than fight bigger guys. thus "something bad happened to Natalee".

I have always figured Paulus and van der Stratten came up with the alibi from the start - especially since VDStratten had some ready guys to throw it on -- knowing there would never be enough evidence to keep them so it was a "benign" arrest and at the most a temporary inconvenience for the 2 guys. The parents would go away and the case would disappear - men be let out. Case closed.

But learning now more about the phone call from Dan, I'm leaning more on the possibility that Natalee was at least alive when the boys left her - but lord knows where she is now. That's where I hope Joe's people can get in there and find out from loose lips on the island what went down that night.

[nelson]

USST first you must understand the poeople of Aruba, such things DO NOT exist there like, you talking about mafia and casino deals gone bad, I live in NYC, its safe here, but Aruba is much safer, never in my life I felt safer while I'am there. So yes there's alot of possibilities what could have happened. So far there are too many speculations and some of them are just blown out of proportion.
First I'am from Aruba I'am there at least once a month and let me tell you something Mr. Vand Der Sloot is in NO WAY any previlaged person as many may pressume, also Vanderstraaten either. These people are appointed byt he Dutch. Remember the Netherlands is one is not the most social and humanitarian country on the face of this world, you think they would allow something like this to happend right under their reign?? Think again.

[kathy]

Remember the Netherlands is one is not the most social and humanitarian country on the face of this world, you think they would allow something like this to happend right under their reign?? Think again.

Posted by: nelson | Nov 15, 2005 11:38:14 AM

Please remember that Paulus Van der Sloot said he would do anything to protect his child. No one said that the Dutch government is involved. All it takes is a few local, well connected friends to help protect your status or your family. In this case, hopefully, the whole messy situation would eventually go away.

[teresa]

I don't know if any of you listen to Elliot In The Morning but yesterday there was a lady that called in and her mother who lives here in Va is working with the FBI. This lady said her mother will not even discuss it with her but believes Natalie is in Venezuela. She sits on the computer all day and researches stuff. She came across this white slavery stuff that I guess Van der Sloot runs. Elliot wanted to talk to her but the mother would not discuss it with him. The daughter said mother has a folder you would not believe.

[dpa]

"Not doubting you Dan, but I have seen Beth definitely accuse the boys of Rape -- I have not heard her accuse the boys of murder."

"I thought the charge was murder as regards the alleged blood in the car - not sure if it only came from her though. Too many charges flying around to keep track."

So in other words, Dan, you just made stuff up, like you usually do.

[Only One]

I hope is true that Natalee is still alive.
But one more time I did say this 2 months ago,give Beth 4 to 5 months and Natalee will return.Now I saying wait atleast 1 or 2 months more.

[betsy]

The idea the Joran/Kalpoes left Natalie at a party has always made the most sense to me. That's why they had that ready-made story about leaving her at the HI. They aren't dumb and knew she could be in big trouble with those people at the party. Now, either she was made to stay there or she was so drugged, drunk, and high, she insisted she wanted to stay, but those guys left her there and they honestly don't know where she is. That's why Joran could sit in jail so long and not crack. He's definitely too scared to tell anyone the truth about the party. Fear of bodily harm does that to you. And, he doesn't know anything more. His words of regret about leaving Natalee at the beach are true except she wasn't left there per se. The second theory I can still buy is the idea Joran did leave her at the beach, but some interesting folks came along and whisked her away to their little party - and heaven knows where she is now.

MY QUESTION IS THIS: IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES HAVE HER, WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY KEEP HER ALIVE SINCE HER PICTURE HAS BEEN CIRCULATED AD NAUSEUM ON ALL MEDIA OUTLETS? If I traded in white slavery, ain't no way I'd want to do anything but eliminate the possibility this kid might draw attention to me. I'd get rid of her pronto. Whatcha think?