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If this information is correct, as it certainly appears to be, there can be no mistake that Frances Ellen Byrd saw Natalee Holloway at the Holiday Inn the night that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers allegedly abducted her. [Read More]

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Could these be statements made by the student(s) that remained on the Island & those that came back to help search for Natalee. Maybe they LE interviewed them early on in the case & the FBI never saw a copy of the interviews.

Dan, maybe a desperate mother with shock, fear & loss catching up with her after months of media hype?

Dan,

What is your opinion of the early radio report about witnesses seeing 2 men abducting Natalee from the beach area near the Marriot? That would be very close to where Joran said he left her. Another poster has brought it up again.

Rationalize it as you want - she keeps the media hype up more than anyone - why is she unwilling to allow any room for anything? Sorry, this is getting beyond understandable. I can't imagine a parent acting this way even taking into account their suffering. She is going too far - way too far IMO. It doesn't make sense any more.

maybe, and this is a stretch, but maybe, beth has an idea of what she is really up against and its not 3 teens and a dad. but she thinks they have answers and she is going to do whatever she has to to make them talk. i always have thought that possibly the guys were more scared of someone else.

What is your opinion of the early radio report about witnesses seeing 2 men abducting Natalee from the beach area near the Marriot?

I've no knowledge of it but I am aware of othr lines of investigation including something that would fit with that. I honestly don't know.

I can't imagine a parent acting this way even taking into account their suffering. She is going too far - way too far IMO. It doesn't make sense any more.


Posted by: Dan | Nov 5, 2005 11:32:32 PM

ALE,based on this,might stop the investigation.
They can!

she protests just alittle bit too much about those kids giving statements and I would love to know why.

You know what, If she wants a fresh start, new team that means starting over and entirely starting over and that includes questioning everyone.. I may lean towards the BHT side, but this is wrong..very wrong

Rationalize it as you want - she keeps the media hype up more than anyone - why is she unwilling to allow any room for anything? Sorry, this is getting beyond understandable. I can't imagine a parent acting this way even taking into account their suffering. She is going too far - way too far IMO. It doesn't make sense any more.


Posted by: Dan | Nov 5, 2005 11:32:32 PM

I have to agree...IF the priority is finding Natalee, or finding what happened to Natalee...why buck LE trying to question those that were there on the trip? Even if they did forget to ask questions originally, wouldnt you want those answers now?

She is going too far - way too far IMO. It doesn't make sense any more.


Posted by: Dan | Nov 5, 2005 11:32:32 PM


If Beth is going too far, Mammano is off the charts. I can't believe they broadcast his comments. The one about gangraping suspects that have already been released, due to lack of evidence against them.

Beth Twitty Lashing Out Again.. at anyone "not focusing on the perpetrators".

Well, she can be very upsetting to us to them but until we are in those shoes I don't think we can say. I believe there must be days of shear desperation and maybe lashing out and pushing is how she feels she can accomplish something. It may not but she has lost a child and has no body to bury. If your child might be being tortured and you did nothing...it breaks my heart!!!

i stated last night i don't know what crime was been committed.......& i really am not sure who the bad guys are anymore.....
the events of the last week are .......

Dan, I wish you would tell us what Beth did to you that turned you against her.

I think someone somewhere must keep the pressure on the get NH back. If we all get quit then the search is over. A hard situation.

Beth Twitty Lashing Out Again.. at anyone "not focusing on the perpetrators".

Posted by: dugo | Nov 5, 2005 11:37:48 PM


The Twittys have convinced themselves who the perpetrators are. But they could be wrong, and this is the biggest stumbling block to solving this case.

BT has had her own agenda from the first day on Aruba. It seems to me she is bound and determined that the 3 are guily and she will do anything to try to get them arrested again. I do not understand why she has never wanted to look into the time leading up to Natalee going missing. Or maybe she knows things that she does not want the public to know since that would alter the "perfect" image of Natalee. Maybe that is why she is so determined that the MB kids and chaperones are not interviewed again. To me her priorities are totally screwed up - finding my daughter would be number one to me and forget all the rest of the BS she is so concerned with.

Oh, I have thought since day one these boys might have helped lure NH into a place of danger but I don't think they killed her. I believe they had sex with her because they have admitted that. I believe she was sold for a debt of some kind and was taken by small boat to a larger boat or to another place. Just my gut feelings. What do I know???

Has Arubian LE questioned or interviewed any of the MB students directly? I thought that American FBI agents conducted these interviews.

Alee: Dan, I wish you would tell us what Beth did to you that turned you against her.

That's ridiculous. I have never had, nor have I ever sought any interaction, contact or information from her or anyone in the family. I never even talked to them before one side approached me and I have done everything I can to help.

Calling it as I see it is not some agenda against Beth Twitty. As far as individuals are concerned, this has only ever been one involved in this case who deserved attention, and or loyalty - Natalee herself. And all this complaining because the ALE wants to ask some more questions of the kids is indefensiveable. There were people in MB unhappy with the FBI's approach and pace to begin with. And it had nothing to do with the ALE.

I agree Dan.I cannot for the life of me understand why she continues to place stumbling blocks in the investigation.

It is sad that Beth Twitty herself has not been on her local news encouraging all who were on the trip to Aruba(including chaperones and others) to come forward and comply with the investigators demands.

For some reason she seems to relish in conflict.It is obvious that the investigation needs to encompass all directions and as a parent Beth should embrace the direction that the investigation needs to go in to eliminate all who may be involved or know something.

Any judge in any courtroom within the Dutch jurisdiction will need to know that all other possibilities have been explored and ruled out.It will be a feather in the prosecutors hat if the 3 suspects that Beth so vehemently accuse are eevr brought to court for whatever charges can be brought.Beth should be publicly applauding the effort that ALE is attempting to make for the resolution in the disappearance of her daughter.Who cares who gets pissed in Mt.Brook simply because they had to answer some questions?In fact folks from Mt. Brook should consider it a progess in the missing case of one of their own.

Did I read correctly that Beth was doing this phone in interview from Philadelphia,Pa?Why the to Philly when she was gone for the trip to Aruba?One would think that she would be home with Jughead and the other kids.Is she entertaining Joe Mama or is Joe Mama entertaining her?

Of course investigators routinely question people and huddle up at headquarters afterwards and go over things and if need be they go and question the same folks again.They do it as many times as necessary to get the facts.That is why they are called investigators.

Beth Twitty is a disgrace to mothers the world over by grandstanding and impeding the investigation which is being conducted for her sake.Damn if she does'nt care and is not willing to set her social life and status aside for the sake and integrity of the case that is for her benefit then why should anyone else care???

Is anyone else willing to take up the cross for NH?

"The reason they want to ask follow up questions to those students from Mountain Brook is because of the holes in their original line of questioning and because of questions they forgot to ask the first time,

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I don't see what is so outrageous about this quote. It isn't obstructing anything, it is simply saying that the ALE/FBI might have neglected to ask the important questions early on. Weren't you the one who was going on and on about how the MB kids weren't thoroughly interogated? If so then it would appear that Beth is correct, they want to requestion because the orginial questioning wasn't thorough enough. How a complaint about the police qualifies as obstruction is beyond me.

Maybe I watch to many " cold case files" but when a case is going south, with no new clues...you go back to the beginning and reinterview everyone.
Since they never got to interview those other 123 people and it was done by another agency I can certainly understand where they would want to requestion them.
But I do have to say...Seems like Dompig was great until he announced he wanted to reinterview the kids and also Ms Twitty...now he is a piece of crap everynight on the tube. Gotta say..Ms Twitty is raising my " hinky" meter.

How a complaint about the police qualifies as obstruction is beyond me.

Posted by: Abram | Nov 5, 2005 11:47:48 PM

Because she doesnt want them to be questioned again. Thats what doesnt make any sense. If she thought they weren't properly questioned before, wouldnt she welcome another chance at having information gained?

All this is is a Mom that has gotten screwed over by the lame ALE and now the ALE is doing everything it can to try and bring attention to any one or anything away from the corrupt LE who didn't want to solve this case from the beginning thinking it would blow over. Boycott Aruba. I don't care if you need to get more statements, thats fine but the way Aruba Law Enforcement has treated the family is cruel and if you can someone please tell me why. This was from day one so don't say it was because of the media hype because you know thats bs.

Because she doesnt want them to be questioned again. Thats what doesnt make any sense. If she thought they weren't properly questioned before, wouldnt she welcome another chance at having information gained?

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 5, 2005 11:49:23 PM

Has she actually said that she doesn't want the kids interviewed again? I certainly haven't heard it if she has.

Because she doesnt want them to be questioned again. Thats what doesnt make any sense. If she thought they weren't properly questioned before, wouldnt she welcome another chance at having information gained?

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 5, 2005 11:49:23 PM

perhaps she knows of things they could say and that would disrupt her agenda. remember those kids all said joran seemed polite and disinterested in picking up any of the girls. thats something she doesnt want known. and id imagine theres more.

Has she actually said that she doesn't want the kids interviewed again? I certainly haven't heard it if she has.

She was puttig conditions on it at the start - as regards the FBI being present. For someone following it so closely - what you miss is a bit convenient, Dave.

Maybe Beth is convinced the 3 boys are involved because the Aruban Chief of Police frequently goes on national American TV and says he thinks "the three boys are guilty as hell."

Has she actually said that she doesn't want the kids interviewed again? I certainly haven't heard it if she has.

Posted by: dave | Nov 5, 2005 11:51:10 PM

Paraphrasing here, ..they don't need to interview these kids, they have the statements, they just need to look at them..

I would think Beth would welcome any interviews or questioning of anyone associated with the case...however many times. I just know she has to keep the media on this case so whatever she needs to do to keep it she is doing...whether we like it or not. She is not a disgrace to all mothers. She is parenting in how she can at this point in her life. Don't judge lest ye be judged.

are any of you mothers?

Has she actually said that she doesn't want the kids interviewed again? I certainly haven't heard it if she has.

She was puttig conditions on it at the start - as regards the FBI being present. For someone following it so closely - what you miss is a bit convenient, Dave.

Posted by: Dan | Nov 5, 2005 11:52:13 PM

Miss what? I was right. She hasn't said she doesn't want them questioned, only that she wasn't the FBI involved. I didn't miss anything it appears, and what you mentioned actually contradicts the claim that she didn't want them interviewed. Of course, logic has never been a strong point of yours.

Bleh, that should say wants not wasn't.

I sure as hell would want the fbi in on any questioning. Just look what happened when the fbi was able to be their when they interrogated joran. He shut up and didn't say anything. Arrests are coming soon. Maybe even some LE personnel losing jobs.

Don't usually post on this blog, as I am posting closer to home on Taylor Behl, but not much going on due to the gag order.
As far as Beth Twitty goes, I don't know how she keeps going. Maybe because she just goes and goes, she has become "frantic". As a mother myself I would not wish this on anyone. I could not imagine. I freely admit I would be in the "nut house" if it were my kid missing. Just because Mrs. Twitty has her mind set to certain persons of interest does not mean LE is not going to investigate anyone else.
Who on this blog has been through childbirth and actually push a baby out of her vagina, been cut open and had a baby pulled out of your body or you wanted a baby so much and you could not so you were blessed enough to adopt one? EVERY MOTHER on this blog. Mothers are nuts over thier kids and I cannot imagine what Mrs. Twitty is going through, so I'm not going to judge her. JMO! :)

I'm logical enough to conclude I've had enough of you, Dave. Go start a blog on it - you're done here.

so is Dave banned Dan?

I am a mother and if my daughter went missing I would hope they would question anyone and everyone that was around my daughter that week from maids to friends. Someone may remember something that they dont even think is important that may be a big clue in solving the case. I dont get it at all.

Posted by: abigail | Nov 5, 2005 11:57:04 PM

I understand what youre saying but thats a bit too graphic for me..

Beth is a frustrated, emotionally (damaged) mother.. understandably so.. what is not understandable is the 'protection' of mb.. i would want every last person sneezing next to my daughter interviewed/interrogated.. this does not make sense..and i am a fan of BHT

Texas05 - Dave and Abram - see above are the same poster - yes, when you take on identities to support yourself and then attack me - yes, he is gone for those actions.

Ban me too, Dan! I agree with him. I would not want ALE interviewing the MB kids either w/o FBI or their attorneys present. Who knows what they might try to falsely pin on them. The ALE should have conducted interviews 5 months ago.

Bizman...that is uncalled for.

Shame.

I pose to you the question..IF it were your duaghter how woudl you handle it at this point ?Its a fact the case was screwed in the early going ! I do believe that most everyone has agreed on that !
The women is heartbroken, don't you see that or do you too wear Rose colored glasses.

That was a reply to Texas05 - not impl;ying she was the same individual. Just Dave and Abram and a few other names he or she used to suuport his own arguments. That's trolling.

SOmething is not right here. He said he went by the house at 3AM - then he went to the police station and left there at 2:40 - how can that be?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Nov 5, 2005 11:33:01 PM

I noticed that long back, like when it occurred. All I can think of is that he may have been gotten out of bed & it just got later & later. Since he was there twice, & during the whole went to 2 different hotels 2 different times - who knows. I do think the 2nd arrival, of all, at the vds place must have been around 3AM or a little before.

the way Aruba Law Enforcement has treated the family is cruel and if you can someone please tell me why. This was from day one so don't say it was because of the media hype because you know thats bs.

Posted by: JW | Nov 5, 2005 11:50:10 PM


I agree the Aruban LE mishandled this case. First and foremost, they should not have allowed the family to lead the investigation. The use of polygraphs could have eliminated the 3 boys as suspects in 15 minutes. They had tips early on. How many rented white Toyotas are there in Aruba? Make a list of all of them, and who rented them. The ALE was just not effective enough to solve this case.

Ban me too, Dan!

Wreck - I didnt ban him for his opinion. See above.

oh, why would anyone do that...try to be someone else? What happened to ethics?

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