What's With The Skeeter's Tapes?

It's been close to a week since private dick Jamie Skeeters allegedly broke significant news on the Dr. Phil show with some curious tapes which seemed to conflict with earlier testimony by suspects in the Natalee Holloway case - and still no news?

There isn't much word from Aruba on the tapes but what I am hearing suggests Skeeters may want to check his Fed Ex insurance certificate on the tapes that weren't sent - but then, he might not have one if they were worthless.

Unconfirmed reports seem to indicate that for all the talk, Aruban authorities have yet to gain possession of anything which can be termed original, and consequently untampered with.

Is this really a big surprise?

It's only my opinion, but if these tapes turn out to be bogus as some suggest, perhaps they should lead to the arrest of someone other than one of the three suspects? Or maybe simply banning certain people from the island at this point would be the better move.

There's no justification for fraud, assuming it's being committed.

Comments

[micah]

Wait! Here's an idea! What if these tapes are actually real, but the Aruban govt. claims to never receive them?! Then, they could dismiss the tapes as "obviously fake" and keep the three suspects in the clear?! GENIUS! Dr. Phil + all Americans would look like idiots!!
It's all so clever I forgot to yawn...

[Bigfish]

What does Joran being a juvenile have to do with anything?

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 2:04:08 PM

It has everything to do with it. Just because Joran is a gangly Dutch kid, he's still a kid and was a minor when Natalee went missing.

Just because he isn't glamerous or beautiful doesn't alter the fact that this kid was a juvenile.

He's being villified and demonized due to prjudice because his ethnicity. That is sad. Sad indeed. Can you imagine the outrage if Nat had been 17 and Joran 18? Absolute sexual discrimination!

Bigfish

[berry]

Dr. Phil or anyone else would knowing falsify the tapes or what they represent. What would they stand to gain?
Posted by: redpetals12 | Oct 18, 2005 1:56:55 PM

++++++++++++++++++++

What they got - rating$.

[Letshelp]

REAL PACKER FAN,

I think that most of the real supporters of Natalee and her family have just quit posting due to the negativity and lack of news, that is certainly why I don't post much anymore.

The hate Beth crowd believe that means that they are now in the majority, but that is nonsense....anyone with a brain knows that the 3 have not been truthful and that most Americans have sympathy for Natalee and her family rather than 3 acknowledged liars.

There is no doubt that only excerpts of the Deepak interview were broadcast, but I don't believe either Skeeter or Dr. Phil would edit them to change their meaning.

I believe Deepak is saying exactly what he says and means exactly what he says on hte tape.

I believe the tape will be authenticated but not admitted as evidence in Aruba, so it will be no more use in evidence as the rest of their lies and changes of story.

[dave]

He's being villified and demonized due to prjudice because his ethnicity. That is sad. Sad indeed. Can you imagine the outrage if Nat had been 17 and Joran 18? Absolute sexual discrimination!

Bigfish

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:16:46 PM

There wouldn't have been any outrage if that were the case, and even if there was some it is still ridiculously irrelevant to whatever is going on in this case.

[Bigfish]

Sad to say this, but that one phrase condemns them more than anything. PVDS knew the Aruban judicial system far better than any of the rest of us, and they'll get away with this b/c of that.
Makes me sick actually.

Posted by: redpetals12 | Oct 18, 2005 2:16:13 PM

Duh! The legal term "Corpus Delecti" has been in the lawbooks longer than I am old.

Only and IDIOT would not know that. Of course that doesn't say much for MSM. Mr. Van der Sloot didn't repeat anything, IF he in fact did say that, that any other informed individual learned in Jr. high school or from watching the news or movies. What a RED HERRING!

Bigfish

[jody]

Very early in the case, one of Natalee's own male friends called into Greta and said that Natalee was dressed like a slut. So, does that make Deepak any worse than him?

[Real PackerFan]

EXACTLY.

People are being naive if they think Deepak was not talking of his own views of Natalee.

There is NO reason for the tone or content of his comments if he is innocent and has nothing to hide.

Why badmouth a dead girl who never accused you of anything?

Guily conscience is my vote.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 1:57:03 PM

I agree entirely, however, it's sad that it is proof of nothing except his contempt, etc.

[Letshelp]

Bigfish,

You are an idiot. If Natalee was 17 and Joran was 18 there would be NO DIFFERENCE in how the case was treated because it isn't enough age difference to constitute any kind of statutory rape charge if that is what you are getting at.

As far as his ethnicity. Try again.

He's being villified because we KNOW HES A LIAR and most people, including the Aruban police believe he was involved in Natalee's death and believe he sexually assaulted her.

It is really quite simple.

[redpetals12]

Dr Phil does that for a living! Did you check http://www.courtroomsciences.com/Multimedia.aspx ?

Impeachment Video .. Linear and Nonlinear Video Editing .. Video and Audio Enhancement .. Photography and Photo Retouching etcetera etcetera...

Posted by: dugo | Oct 18, 2005 2:13:11 PM

Of course he gets ratings and edits tapes for a living...he's a talk show host! But to sabotage his career and livelyhood for one day of great ratings? He's not that stupid. I'm sure he used clips and we don't know the entire content of the tape, but I'm simply saying he has no motive to knowingly cause add'l harm to her family.

[George]

There is no evidence suggesting that Skeeters intended to present that tape to any LE. It is obviously made for entertainment of Beth Twitty's fans, and it is quite NOT a crime. Civil penalties for all participants are appropriate but, unfortunately, Rudy Oumen has indicated that Deepak doesn't intend to pursue these. Consequently, blacklisting show participants as persons-non-grata in Aruba is only move left.

[Real PackerFan]

He's being villified because we KNOW HES A LIAR and most people, including the Aruban police believe he was involved in Natalee's death and believe he sexually assaulted her.

And Natalee is being villifed as well, who is the victim and lied about nothing to the police.

[Bigfish]

There wouldn't have been any outrage if that were the case, and even if there was some it is still ridiculously irrelevant to whatever is going on in this case.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:22:11 PM

Yoo Hoo, frank, it's absolutely relevant. Joran was a juvenile and Natalee was an adult. Don't you get it?
Who is supposed to make the better judgements, Frank?

Natalee made BAD CHOICES!

Bigfish

[keylargogirl]

Real Packer Fan,

Thanks! I do visit here sometimes, but the Beth haters really get to me at times. I just don't understand why people are blaming and turning on her. She certainly never wanted this to happen, I am sure.

Well let me know where you end up going. I have been to Cancun once. It was pretty, but it rained the whole time! I haven't been to Hawaii yet, but will get there one day. The Florida Keys to me, are very islandly feeling. If you drive in from Miami, which I would recommend, it is an absolutely incredible scenic trip. It takes a few hours, but is well worth it.

Talk to you again soon!

[Isanah]

And no matter what context it was said in, the insulting, condemning tone of his voice when he spoke of Natalee in the slut remarks spoke volumes about what he thought of her.

Posted by: Real PackerFan | Oct 18, 2005 1:54:37

So what? Who cares what Deepak thought about Natalee? So he wasn't very nice to have said those things. So what? So what? So what? This is a far cry to en entire character assination of Deepak. I'm with the opinion that Deepak never said the sex part in the context it was portrayed in the media. Simply because he would have to be a complete idiot to admit to something that has not been proven. For that reason in itself, I don't believe the tapes are legit. That doesn't mean he isn't guilty of something, but it has not been proven. Common sense tells me those tapes are not going to prove anything. They wouldn't even had made such public debate if we weren't grasping at straws that the three suspects did, in deed, have a date rape gang bang with Natalee against her will. So come on LE let the world know if Deepak is that much of an idiot to tell Skeeter's that all them had sex with Natalee! As for the slut remarks, who cares? So what?

[Letshelp]

What bad choices?

Leaving the bar with the allegedly "innocent" 3 amigos? Getting drunk? Gee, if getting drunk at 17 OR 18 is cause for disappearance and death the colleges and h.s. would be empty.

I forgot how loathsome most of these posters really are.

They were both high school seniors, a few months apart in age.

Stop beating a dead and IRRELEVANT horse that is just one more way to blame and dirty up the victim in the case.

[26ANDCOUNTING]

Looks like Dan may be a day late and a dollar short yet again.

Didn't Dompig say on Rita Cosby that the tapes were in the hands of the FBI, which is the same thing Skeeter said???????

So, um, if the FBI had the tapes then Dan's crack about Fedex is kind of silly and off the mark, no?

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 1:26:40 PM

It doesn't bother you in the least that this tape was made in July and supposed to help Beth yet noone even knew about it until the Dr. Phil show? I think your off the mark.

[Real PackerFan]

Very early in the case, one of Natalee's own male friends called into Greta and said that Natalee was dressed like a slut. So, does that make Deepak any worse than him?

Posted by: jody | Oct 18, 2005 2:24:51 PM

No, one is as bad as the other with regard to making such a remark. I don't remember this, a FRIEND of hers said she dressed like a slut. Not my definition of a slut. Remark meant humorously.

I can't go to Aruba. If I walk around in shorts and a t-shirt (or oh my, even worse a tank top or bikini top) someone will say I am dressed like a slut. I really don't want, as a female, to go somewhere tropical and warm only to have to cover my arms down to my wrists and wear pants, socks and shoes. Plus I don't have a tickle site and I think it's a requirement there.

[redpetals12]

Duh! The legal term "Corpus Delecti" has been in the lawbooks longer than I am old.

Only and IDIOT would not know that. Of course that doesn't say much for MSM. Mr. Van der Sloot didn't repeat anything, IF he in fact did say that, that any other informed individual learned in Jr. high school or from watching the news or movies. What a RED HERRING!

Bigfish

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:24:03 PM

please keep showing your ignorance through these type posts! it's great entertainment for me!:)

[dave]

Yoo Hoo, frank, it's absolutely relevant. Joran was a juvenile and Natalee was an adult. Don't you get it?
Who is supposed to make the better judgements, Frank?

Natalee made BAD CHOICES!

Bigfish

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:27:52 PM

Listen, if they were in the US they would have been in the same grade. They are probably a year apart at the most. Of course, anyone who isn't trying to blame the victim in this case or attack her character is smart enough to know there is no difference in reality between Joran and Natalee in terms of the level of maturity they should have had based on age. About the only relevance age has is that it shows Joran was drinking illegaly and gambling illegaly. And, unfortunately for you, that is it. Of course, Natalee made some bad choices, but I think they begin and end with her getting into the car with a guy who would later take advantage of her as she was passed out. And that is only the stuff he did that we KNOW about.

[Bigfish]

I forgot how loathsome most of these posters really are.

They were both high school seniors, a few months apart in age.

Stop beating a dead and IRRELEVANT horse that is just one more way to blame and dirty up the victim in the case.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 2:31:10 PM

Natalee was an adult and Joran a juvenille and Natalee was a victim of her own bad choices.

Alcohol induced.

Bigfish

[Letshelp]

It doesn't bother you in the least that this tape was made in July and supposed to help Beth yet noone even knew about it until the Dr. Phil show? I think your off the mark.

Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Oct 18, 2005 2:31:44 PM

__________

I think that Beth has/had lost ALL confidence in the Aruban police by late July/August.

I also don't deny that Skeeter probably got a nice $$ for the tape, but that doesn't mean it is a fake or not relevant.

I also don't blame Skeeter for refusing to give the original to the Aruban police before making it public, I have NO DOUBT if they had just turned it over it would have gone into a black hole, got erased by accident or somehow been rendered useless.

As to why it has taken so long since Dr. Phil to get it to Aruban LE, my guess is it was just bureaucratic rangling and the ongoing confusion we've seen out of Aruba from day one.

I will say I was surprised when Beth said she had not listened to the whole tape, I found that shocking, I was also surprised that Dave Holloway didn't hear the tape before it was on Dr. Phil....

[Real PackerFan]

Very early in the case, one of Natalee's own male friends called into Greta and said that Natalee was dressed like a slut. So, does that make Deepak any worse than him?

Posted by: jody | Oct 18, 2005 2:24:51 PM

No, one is as bad as the other with regard to making such a remark. Deepak, however, may be worse if he was involved in what happened to her.

I don't remember this, a FRIEND of hers said she dressed like a slut? Sorry, I would not describe the person you are talking about as a FRIEND.

I can't go to Aruba. If I walk around in shorts and a t-shirt (or oh my, even worse a tank top or bikini top) someone will say I am dressed like a slut. I really don't want, as a female, to go somewhere tropical and warm only to have to cover my arms down to my wrists and wear pants, socks and shoes. Plus I don't have a tickle site and I think it's a requirement there. This paragraph meant humorously.

[dave]

Very early in the case, one of Natalee's own male friends called into Greta and said that Natalee was dressed like a slut. So, does that make Deepak any worse than him?

Posted by: jody | Oct 18, 2005 2:24:51 PM

You are so full of it. This never happened and you know it. I have no problem with people who believe the boys are innocent, but I don't see how anyone can justify attcking the victim like this.

[Real PackerFan]

Listen, if they were in the US they would have been in the same grade. They are probably a year apart at the most. Of course, anyone who isn't trying to blame the victim in this case or attack her character is smart enough to know there is no difference in reality between Joran and Natalee in terms of the level of maturity they should have had based on age. About the only relevance age has is that it shows Joran was drinking illegaly and gambling illegaly. And, unfortunately for you, that is it. Of course, Natalee made some bad choices, but I think they begin and end with her getting into the car with a guy who would later take advantage of her as she was passed out. And that is only the stuff he did that we KNOW about.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:34:15 PM

18 an adult in a legal sense/by statute only. Says nothing to maturity and decision making. Here in US anyway. Any parent knows better. I have a 23-year-old girl and a 19-year-old girl. The 19-year-old is far more mature and responsible and there is a four-year age difference. Furthermore, it is proven medically that the brain is not fully mature until almost 25 years of age in neither boys nor girls.

This is not worth arguing about.

[Bigfish]

About the only relevance age has is that it shows Joran was drinking illegaly and gambling illegaly. And, unfortunately for you, that is it.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:34:15 PM

All kids at that age lie about their age. The Aruban kids falsified their age to gain access to Tickle sites.

As far as Joran's gambling, this is the biggest Red Herring of them all. Has nothing to do with this case and was a bad choice of no consequence.

Natalee's, and her mother,s, bad choice of thinking that it is a rite of passage for her to go on a 5 day drinking binge, has resulted in her passage to the hereafter!

Bigfish

[Letshelp]

I didn't realize that alcohol led to death and disappearance? Funny, I've gotten drunk many, many times and made other 'bad choices' and I am not dead or missing.

NEWS FLASH: Bad choices did not kill Natalee or cause her to disappear....someone or some people caused this.

Grow up.

[Isanah]

I found that shocking, I was also surprised that Dave Holloway didn't hear the tape before it was on Dr. Phil....

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 2:36:37 PM

Yes, it is shocking, but comments like that prove that they are uncertain as to whether the tapes are legit. They are giving themselves an out if they are found highly editted and out of context.

[redpetals12]

Plus I don't have a tickle site and I think it's a requirement there.

Posted by: Real PackerFan | Oct 18, 2005 2:32:10 PM

LOL...thanks, I needed that!

[dave]

All kids at that age lie about their age. The Aruban kids falsified their age to gain access to Tickle sites.

As far as Joran's gambling, this is the biggest Red Herring of them all. Has nothing to do with this case and was a bad choice of no consequence.

Natalee's, and her mother,s, bad choice of thinking that it is a rite of passage for her to go on a 5 day drinking binge, has resulted in her passage to the hereafter!

Bigfish

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:40:51 PM

Oh no it doesn't. You see if Joran's parents had more responsible and realized that it wasn't ok for him to be out at bars all the time, especially as such a young innocent boy, then he wouldn't have been out that night to take advantage of Natalee.

[26ANDCOUNTING]

I will say I was surprised when Beth said she had not listened to the whole tape, I found that shocking, I was also surprised that Dave Holloway didn't hear the tape before it was on Dr. Phil....

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 2:36:37 PM

Plain and simple. If you claim you want to help you send the tape immediately to some authority whether FBI or ALE. The FBI did not have a copy until recent which is months after it was recorded.

If this is the smoking gun this case has needed your going to make the mother wait 2 additional months after it was taped to send it to the FBI? Or even tell her it exists?

[Isanah]

how anyone can justify attcking the victim like this.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:39:22 PM

Who is justifying what he said? There has opinions as to why he may have said it, but few people have justified the statements. If everyone would just agree that the statements were made, then there would be little debate as to whether they were justified. We are the ones giving importance to those statements in the realm of defending Natalee. So what if he said that Natalee was a slut? Shame on him if he did, and shame on us for making the public debate such an idiotic declaration from a suspect. It is only a sensational statement because the Dr Phil show and everyone that played the tape made it one! Just a way to polarize the public as to "hating" Deepak and friends.

[redpetals12]

Natalee's, and her mother,s, bad choice of thinking that it is a rite of passage for her to go on a 5 day drinking binge, has resulted in her passage to the hereafter!

Bigfish

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:40:51 PM

Have you considered 45 minute sessions ? I think it would do wonders for you.

[dave]

Who is justifying what he said? There has opinions as to why he may have said it, but few people have justified the statements. If everyone would just agree that the statements were made, then there would be little debate as to whether they were justified. We are the ones giving importance to those statements in the realm of defending Natalee. So what if he said that Natalee was a slut? Shame on him if he did, and shame on us for making the public debate such an idiotic declaration from a suspect. It is only a sensational statement because the Dr Phil show and everyone that played the tape made it one! Just a way to polarize the public as to "hating" Deepak and friends.

Posted by: Isanah | Oct 18, 2005 2:47:49 PM

I was talking about how jody invented that call from a MB student in order to attack Natalee's character.

[Real PackerFan]

Well let me know where you end up going. I have been to Cancun once. It was pretty, but it rained the whole time! I haven't been to Hawaii yet, but will get there one day. The Florida Keys to me, are very islandly feeling. If you drive in from Miami, which I would recommend, it is an absolutely incredible scenic trip. It takes a few hours, but is well worth it.

Talk to you again soon!

Posted by: keylargogirl | Oct 18, 2005 2:28:25 PM

Drive from Miami? The scenic part sounds worth it but really have no desire to go to Miami but if worth it, maybe we will do that. Never been to Cancun but my folks have. Raining the whole trip can certainly ruin a vacation. By the way, so you know, I have switched to using "DarcyD" as my screen name, just switched back to the Packer thing today so you knew who was talking to you.

Yes, I am on here less and less too, actually been hopping around to other sites but still check in. Usually at least read a few minutes every day during week, don't waste my weekends on here. Am leaning towards Keys, don't disappear, I will let you know on here. Going to look up some trip info on it now and then have to get to work, haven't got much done here today.

Bye everyone, hope all have a nice day regardless of our differing views.

[Bigfish]

I didn't realize that alcohol led to death and disappearance? Funny, I've gotten drunk many, many times and made other 'bad choices' and I am not dead or missing.

NEWS FLASH: Bad choices did not kill Natalee or cause her to disappear....someone or some people caused this.

Grow up.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 2:40:52 PM
Only someone very uninformed or perhaps a "drinker in denial" would not understand that teenage drinking plays a role in the demise of many teens both here and abroad. Alcohol played a big part in the bad chouces that were made by Natalee. The first bad choice was the concious decision for a teen to start drinking. There goes the logic in the decision making process.

Nothing new.
BF

[Isanah]

I was talking about how jody invented that call from a MB student in order to attack Natalee's character.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:49:14 PM

Jody isn't worthy of any debate, isn't he/she the one that keeps bringing up the "sex" videos? He/She should be ignored simply on that, if not, prosecuted for spreading such garbage on the internet.

[danie]

First, JR-Dutch Attorney in USA-...thank you for valuable info regarding Dutch law...very much appreciated...the legalities are critical...you are a much needed poster here!

Secondly, regarding tapes, does anyone here truly believe that the family would go on television with these tapes (just the audio)without the approval of their attorneys and the FBI? Doesn't it stand to reason, that just as JR explained to us (and Scuba regarding the toothbrush DNA)...that the chances for this being admissible are slim and none...regardless whether authenticated and unedited; it is not a product of the prosecutions investigation (which i believe also has to have court approval...not sure).

Just curious if anyone else thinks this is a STRATEGY to place pressure on Deepak primarily? as i said knowing full well, not admissable. It's out there, it's been heard(can't unring the bell)....if it was submitted directly to prosecutor who would have heard of it? Would like to hear if anyone agrees or disagrees (be nice, though!OK?). Bottom line, find it very difficult to buy that the family did this on their own without legal and other input! Thanks.....danie

[dave]

Only someone very uninformed or perhaps a "drinker in denial" would not understand that teenage drinking plays a role in the demise of many teens both here and abroad. Alcohol played a big part in the bad chouces that were made by Natalee. The first bad choice was the concious decision for a teen to start drinking. There goes the logic in the decision making process.

Nothing new.
BF

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:51:33 PM

Of course, we are all assuming she was drunk on her own accord and not drugged, but who cares. It would seem a lot worse for the precious little boys if Natalee had been drugged.

[westcoaster]

I am reserving judgment on the tapes until everything comes out but despite all the wondering why not provided back in July, etc., seems to me to make no sense at all if you did something fradulent to then turn evidence of that fraud over to our FBI????
posted by Real PackerFan.

I agree.

Deepak said she "dressed like a slut-and she acted like a slut" ON THE TAPE-what you didn't here was "Frankly, many people here thought she dressed like a slut and acted like a slut" a little different, don't you think.
and BTW-he pretty much just lifted that out of an editorial from Steve Yuhas of California, which was printed in the papers here.
You can read it your self online. So go demonize him, Steve Yuhas said it first.
posted by scubajap

Some of your *opinions* I have agreed with, but, your above comment infers Deepak told you himself he read that editorial and that he (Deepak) quoted those exact words to Skeeters but did not bother to mention to Skeeters that he (Deepak) was simply quoting an editorial written by Steve Y.

"Frankly, many people here thought she dressed like a slut and acted like a slut".....

who are the many people?? and do they think this of other girls from America who look and dress like Natalee??

I am trying to keep to the facts on this case but
this blog is becoming devoid of credibility on actual facts and has really become a shooting range for derogatory and personal shots at other posters, BHT, MB kids, even Natalee, who may or may not be alive.

Please be kind to one another and please stop the gossiping.

[Isanah]

There goes the logic in the decision making process.

Nothing new.
BF

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:51:33 PM

For God's sake why don't you just make a public service announcement and post it at the top of each forum! You are so redundant with the same BS! Yes, alcohol can be evil, especially if misused and particularly for those young and immature. WE GOT IT! So what does it add to the forum?

[Bigfish]

Oh no it doesn't. You see if Joran's parents had more responsible and realized that it wasn't ok for him to be out at bars all the time, especially as such a young innocent boy, then he wouldn't have been out that night to take advantage of Natalee.

Posted by: dave | Oct 18, 2005 2:44:18 PM

At the end of the day though, Natalee, an adult made the concious decision to start drinking.

She put all that into motion by not going back to her room, like the others. Bad choices by good people lead to bad things happening to them.

Natalee was and adult and should have understood the risks she was taking. Maybe not. Alcohol clouds judgement.

BF

[Kat_Gram]

If the tape is so important, why wasn't it hand delivered to Aruba ?

There are people going back and forth all the time.

[keylargogirl]

Real Packer Fan,

Have a good day, and I will give you my email if you want it.

[Bigfish]

For God's sake why don't you just make a public service announcement and post it at the top of each forum! You are so redundant with the same BS! Yes, alcohol can be evil, especially if misused and particularly for those young and immature. WE GOT IT! So what does it add to the forum?

Posted by: Isanah | Oct 18, 2005 2:55:04 PM

Come on Isanah. Spare me the hysterics.

Bigfish

[Real PackerFan]

Plus I don't have a tickle site and I think it's a requirement there.

Posted by: Real PackerFan | Oct 18, 2005 2:32:10 PM

LOL...thanks, I needed that!

Posted by: redpetals12 | Oct 18, 2005 2:41:18 PM

You're welcome! I just had to say it!

_____________________

I didn't realize that alcohol led to death and disappearance? Funny, I've gotten drunk many, many times and made other 'bad choices' and I am not dead or missing.

Me too! Love my Miller Lite, banana daiquiris on vacation, etc. Been in a Carlos & Charlie's too but thankfully it was not THAT one and Joran was not there. Hence, I am still here too despite drinking like NH and patronizing the same establishment!

NOW I am out of here. Good day.

[dave]

At the end of the day though, Natalee, an adult made the concious decision to start drinking.

She put all that into motion by not going back to her room, like the others. Bad choices by good people lead to bad things happening to them.

Natalee was and adult and should have understood the risks she was taking. Maybe not. Alcohol clouds judgement.

BF

Posted by: Bigfish | Oct 18, 2005 2:55:43 PM

Yes, but we don't know a) how drunk she was and b) whether or not she was given a drug which effected her decision.

[Letshelp]

Ugh.

Bigfish I am sure would blame the girl who passed out at a party and got raped and say it was her 'bad choice' and her fault and pity the poor immature boys who raped her.....

There is nothing wrong with drinking, or frankly with getting drunk and if wasn't such a "forbidden fruit' in this country, kids might not go crazy, binge drinking and so forth.

But, the fact is that ALCOHOL did not kill Natalee or disappear her body or make the 3 suspects lie.

Certainly, alcohol causes impaired judgement, but criminal acts are the SOLE responsibility of the criminals who perpetrate them.

Whoever harmed Natalee is totally and completely 120% responsible.

Blaming the victim for her own demise is SICKENING.

I think I've had just about enough of Dan's blog as I can take for one day.

Can't wait to see what new/lame/old wrong news he comes up with from his "sources" next.

[nursemind]

Blaming the victim for her own demise is SICKENING.

I think I've had just about enough of Dan's blog as I can take for one day.

Can't wait to see what new/lame/old wrong news he comes up with from his "sources" next.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 18, 2005 3:01:15 PM
Seems like we've covered this about a MILLION times here....no one is blaming the victim! BUT there is some responsibility on Natalee's part since she put herself in a position to make poor choices by drinking which alters one's judgment and inhibitions. This is Alcohol 101.

[Not a Hand Wringer]

It's obvious the tapes are real.

What isn't obvious is this. Is the content real? That's the issue. Were the questions and answers reassmebled and edited into a sequence that 'suggests' the Deepak is admitting to something that he in fact never admitted to.

Whether he thinks Natalee dressed and acted like a slut is not relevant.

But, did he admit that the 3 had sex with Natalee?

That's what needs to be determined, and right now it's more than fair to question the value, intent, and authentity of the taped 'confession'.

I know this much. That tape has been edited and there seems to be conininuity issues with the questions and answers.

So...let's see.

At this point though, the obvious delay in getting these 'case-breaking' tapes into the hands of LE....and the delay involved in waiting for Dr. Phil to kick off the fall season before making the tapes public are causing me to view them with great suspicion.