The Skeeters Tape Redux

I first posted on this topic here.

Based upon communications with multiple sources in Aruba, I currently doubt very much that this tape will have any genuine significance as regards the Natalee Holloway investigation. It will most likely become one more media fiasco which goes nowhere and offers nothing substantial - except perhaps for some bump in ratings for a TV tabloid show or two.

One individual is said to have been questioned in this regard today, with another individual expected to be questioned tomorrow. It's my understanding that any questioning to this point was done cordially and undertaken simply to clarify the record.

It's also my understanding that Deepak Kalpoe maintains his position of record that at no time did he have sexual relations with Natalee Holloway, nor has he ever claimed such.

For the record - in this context, I do have more confidence in my sources than I ever had in Bill Clinton when it came to questions of this nature.

While I cannot disclose the full nature of today's discussions regarding the tape issue at this time, I do hope to be able to provide further clarification in the future. In any event, I am simply sharing my opinion that, as stated, based upon multiple conversations with individuals in Aruba today - this tape is of no significant consequence to the investigation whatsoever.

Comments

[dave]

Do those same comments stand if the tape is actually legitimate? Dompig said this was the case tonight on Abrams.

[billy tromp]

indeed!!

[chopchop]

My question would be if he didnt take advantage of Natalee sexually then why say the things that were said on that tape? Does'nt make any sense.

[charlotte]

My question is "WHEN WILL WE KNOW all that Dan, the Twitty's, Dave Holloway, ALE, ect.." know? Probably never. So why do I keep waiting for "new news"?

[Dan]

In my case. people know as soon as I can tell them. I believe a thorough examination of the tape will not reveal anything incriminating at all.

[dave]

I believe a thorough examination of the tape will not reveal anything incriminating at all.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 12, 2005 10:44:59 PM

Would you find it to be incriminating if Deepak is actually admitting to all three having sex with her, especially if the boys have never once admitted to having sex with her?

[oneyka]

Canine Kalpoe said in the tape that it was "easy" when asked if they had sex with the poor girl.
This host has turned over against the Holloways-Twittys and is advocating the four criminals. And I do not believe that a tape shown nationally and many parts of the world, would be altered, perhaps edited as it could be a long conversation, but never altered, too legally unwise.

[Dan]

"Would you find it to be incriminating if Deepak is actually admitting to all three having sex with her"

Yes, I would. I don't believe that is what the full tape in context will show.

[Dan]

"This host has turned over against the Holloways-Twittys and is advocating the four criminals."

Apparently unlike you I see no sides in this, only the truth as supported by facts.

[usmcmom]

Yes, I would. I don't believe that is what the full tape in context will show.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 12, 2005 10:56:51 PM

Dan,
Do you know if Harpo Productions, which I believe is the production company for Dr. Phil, paid for the expenses for Skeeter, the audio/video crew, etc. I was just wondering, if it is found out that this tape has been altered to make Deepak look "bad", in your opinion will they sue for defamation.

[JR -Dutch Attorney in USA-]

"This host has turned over against the Holloways-Twittys and is advocating the four criminals."

Apparently unlike you I see no sides in this, only the truth as supported by facts.

Posted by: Dan
Outstanding job!!!!!

[Bigfish]

Partial transcript.

On the phone once again, Aruban attorney Chris Lejuez—he‘s represented NBC in court in Aruba as well—MSNBC analyst and former prosecutor, Susan Filan, and criminal defense attorney Michael Bachner.

All right, Chris, any potential charges as a result of that admission?

LEJUEZ: Yes, it‘s possible, but the admission as such—the tape as such is not enough to be evidence in any kind of criminal case in Aruba. But, it will help the prosecutor in the investigation. They can use it as a stepping-stone to go to a trial, but they need to have more evidence.

ABRAMS: The problem though, Susan, is that these guys‘ statements are just all over the place.

SUSAN FILAN, MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST: They are...

LEJUEZ: But these statements are...

ABRAMS: Hang on...

LEJUEZ: ... not according to our law.

ABRAMS: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

ABRAMS: Very quickly, Chris, what do you make of that?

LEJUEZ: No, I don‘t believe that they can use this tape in the court

in a court of trial—in a trial. That does not constitute evidence according to Aruban law.

LEJUEZ: If you want to use a tape, you need to have permission to tape the person. Permission has to come from a judge of instruction. They didn‘t have it. The tape has possibly, I don‘t say it is the case, but it could have been edited, it could have been changed, it could have been someone else, we don‘t know.

Bigfish

[Texasnurse]

Good work Dan!
I agree 110 percent! The tape is totally worthless in all aspects!

[dave]

I don't see why they would misrepresent it like that, and then bother to turn the tape over to the ALE. Doesn't really make sense, to be honest with you. Also, were you aware that it is a videotape and not just the audio portion we were shown?

[bizarre]

Dan,
I don't understnad. Do the networks have so much money that they would go with a tape that is not valid and risk all the potential litigation which will in all probability ensue from this? Why would Scarborough, Rita Cosby,
Bill O'reilly, Oprah, Dr. Phil, Dan Abrams, Hannity and Colmbs, Geraldo, Greta and all the rest put this on their programs if it wasn't admissable in
court and wouldn't lead to some kind of change in the case? Why would furnish Mrs. Twitty with a venue to say these things if they were falsehoods?
What are they doing? What is the point? There must be some endgame to this that we are wholly unaware of. Do you know what that is?

[mona]

Your sources from Aruba havent mentioned any tape's other than one showing natalee was not dropped at the casino. How about tapes at the casino,,,would love to hear if they have ever been witnessed by anyone outside of Aruban LE.Have the Dutch seen them...the FBI....Mr Posner...scuba?

[danie]

In the post by Bigfish he quoted Lejuez (thanks Bigfish!) who stated only the judge of instruction can grant permission for creating the tape...i believe scuba said the other night that the infamous toothbrush dna was thrown out because it was not ordered testing from the judge of instruction...assume same legal scenario. As i've stated before "ad nauseum"(apologies), any crime which occurs in another country is subject to their laws...whether we agree with them or not...if we choose to travel abroad, we must accept and respect said laws.
Skeeters clarified on another cable show that it was in fact a video tape, not just audio. IMHO, i think the statements by Dompig are just to placate(sp?) the family and damage control in the US...protect the tourist industry of Aruba....of course just speculating (as always!) It appears the family is also very cautious of any encouragement from authorities regarding evidentiary matters...no great surprise to anyone if the tapes are not admissible....as to validity, if not admissible, then validity is irrelevant(legally). JMO...danie

[b]

who "is a boy with beautiful blue eyes'? dan, do you know? this was a hint from scuba.

[iquitos]

i suspect skeeters and copus got the goods and then shopped them to phil phd and now others. maybe they got phil on board sooner rather than later but i doubt it. who is selling the use of the material now, phil or skeeters? i imagine a central part of the polygraphic is trick questions and leading the subject. an old audio hand on sm said he thought the audio tape is heavily edited. if there is video it must not be of good quality or they would have used it on tv. you don't use audio on tv without video unless you don't have video. JMO

[truthbetold]

amazing! you guys say dan riehl is now turning against beth twitty and natalee because he calls the truth what it is - I for one am thrilled he is being less "p.c." and more blunt - anyone with a brain and common sense can see what a circus this has become and that Beth is acting ridiculous fueling these lies and false things like this tape. she will do anything - ethical or not to make these 3 boys guilty. yeah, aruba le messed up in those forst ten or whatever days but at this point I honestly believe even if they had arreseted Joran and the kalpoes right away, did all the searches, etc - they still would have came up with nada because the truth is in Alabama not Aruba

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Looks like the wave is loosing steam.

I wonder if there is a relationship between blaming the vitim and lack of interest in reading it?

Review these two graphs:

Down this week:
http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp?action=stats&site=sm5summer&report=5

Down in last three months:

http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp?action=stats&site=sm5summer&report=36

[keylargogirl]

Even if the tape does make it to Aruba, it won't matter. It will either go missing there, or some other strange incident will occur. Just like when a government official announced on national tv that a body had been found. That statement was weirdly retracted, and then mysteriously, we never heard anything about it again. Hmmmmmm. Wouldn't you know if you found a body, and wouldn't you make sure you HAD a body for sure, before announcing it on TV.

Either Aruba has the worst investigative techniques on the face of this earth , or something smells really fishy there on the " One happy island" of disappearing young girls, oh, sorry, I mean Aruba.

Won';t hold my breathe on them doing the right analysis on that tape to show its authenticity. Hopefully, our very competant FBI got their hands on it first, and found out how valid it is. I hope this tape does show something, so this family get finally get some answers that they should have got a long long time ago.

[RJ]

To me the tape sounds like pure arrogance. He was not answering those questions truthfully, but sarcastically. Deepak comes off as if he has some sort off "protection" He is a very cocky young man and I being a southern girl myself could understand why Natalee may not have liked him. At times he reminds me of an angry little boy playing Bully.

[Steve]

I agree that this issue will take another bizarre twist and the FBI will somehow avoid what seemed like certain criticism-like the time they made a grim visit to the family to say someone had confessed and Natalee is dead. The family gives the impression that the FBI didn't give them an explanation for that gaffe afterward. Certainly the Agency could've found a loophole in whatever agreement they made with Aruban LE if the "observer" is convinced there's ongoing corruption.

There's no good explanation for why the FBI wasn't given this tape right after it was made, so they could arrange a transfer of evidence that was turned in to their office in the US. Somehow we'll wind up having to shrug off another "fluke", just when things seemed to be getting on track. That's all Americans were pressing for in keeping an eye on this case.

[bizman]

There is nothing incriminating on the tape.At best if it is authentic it only shows that consensual sex occurred and that the suspects did not disclose the fact that consensual sex occurred.There is no proof on the tape that anything sinister happened.

If it is proven that the tape was altered for shock value will Skeeter's and Dr.Phil be exposed for the frauds that they are?

As far as Deepak saying if he knew where the body was,well that is the result of intensive investigative interrogation techniques employed on him by his interrogators.That explains why he spoke of a body as it has been drilled into his head that the girl is dead.

The investigation needs to be centered around Mountain Brook.

[c]

To me the tape sounds like pure arrogance. He was not answering those questions truthfully, but sarcastically. Deepak comes off as if he has some sort off "protection" He is a very cocky young man and I being a southern girl myself could understand why Natalee may not have liked him. At times he reminds me of an angry little boy playing Bully.

Posted by: RJ | Oct 13, 2005 9:24:38 AM

I agree, also it is alleged that Natalee said of the Kalpoes to Joran while sitting in the car as are these two your slaves.
which certainly ticked Kalpoes off too. (ofcourse if was meant like a joke, but that is not the way the brothers took it).

[bizman]

c,
Now how would you how the brothers took it or if anything like that was even said.

[c]

Posted by: bizman | Oct 13, 2005 10:11:39 AM

this is what Dan wrote in previous blog, he did mention that there is no proof of it..., and how the brother took it, that is my guess.

[PerryPeabody]

To me the tape sounds like pure arrogance. He was not answering those questions truthfully, but sarcastically. Deepak comes off as if he has some sort off "protection" He is a very cocky young man and I being a southern girl myself could understand why Natalee may not have liked him. At times he reminds me of an angry little boy playing Bully.
Posted by: RJ | Oct 13, 2005 9:24:38 AM
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Assume, just for the moment, that Deepak did nothing illegal or immoral to Natalee and I'm taking for a given that the tape was edited and spliced since the answers don't seem to go with the questions. Deepak did sound defensive--and INMO it is entirely understandable. This young man has been hounded for months. He has been jailed. He has been castigated in the media by BHT innumerable times and called the most vile of names. If he weren't defensive, he'd be abnormal. He's been cast in this travelling roadshow as a heavy against a virginal princess--but he ostensibly watched this virginal princess offering to have jello shots licked off of her belly in a very public place. 'Taint over 'til it's over. Why don't we wait before we loudly and publicly label people as kindnappers, rapists, gang-rapists and murderers.

[RJ]

Deepak did sound defensive--and INMO it is entirely understandable. This young man has been hounded for months.Posted by: PerryPeabody | Oct 13, 2005 11:11:50 AM

Not entirely. Would you speak that way of a dead girl? He is very self absorbed to make it all about him. If he cannot understand the scrutiny upon him maybe he should watch the way he speaks. Innocent people are not that disrespectfull. If I was suspected of murdering someone (and trust me if my husbands ex gets offed it will be me they talk to first)I would refrain from giving my true opinion of her as it would make me look worse. Why does he not see that?

[bryan]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/
Abrams report 10/11/05.
Note Transcript does not contain post Dompig comments by BHT and Abrams.
Video has part not all.

Beth Twitty now says she has seen the police reports that JVS claimed to have had sex with NH.

Operative word is seen.

On Dr. Phil and Nancy Grace BHT says she has copies in her hand that will be given to FBI and others.

Operative is has in hand.

A freudian slip. Could be.

Dompig says there are no statements in which JVS claimed to have had sex with NH in his apartment.
BHT stated she believed this occured at one point - no papers mentioned.

Also interesting is claim that BHT has "seen" or "has" copies of a second or third copy of her statement to
police. Dompig says is the first he has heard of this and will investigate.

Results of this investigation could be very enlightening as to the spin created by BHT and Media Boycott Aruba show.

Truly enlightening if on the next trip to Aruba BHT is asked to divulge source of papers and to physically produce same.

[berry]

Skeeters told Nancy Grace that he loves the media coverage of the case and has relied on their assistance relevant to the Deepak tape issue.

Seriously.

[bizman]

Berry,

Neither Nancy DisGrace or Skeeter can be taken seriously.

[Not a Handwringer]

As someone who's been splicing audio tape since 1972....

I don't put very much stock in the Skeeters tape. The edits are obvious, and the continuity of many of the answers only fits the questions, if you're predisposed to believing that the boys are guilty.

Fact is, the tape that we have all heard HAS been manipulated. Until the original unedited tape is reviewed to confirm the 'impact' of the editing....

it should mean nothing to anyone who views what we read, see and hear about this case with an objective perspective.

[bmt]

"Would you find it to be incriminating if Deepak is actually admitting to all three having sex with her"

Yes, I would. I don't believe that is what the full tape in context will show.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 12, 2005 10:56:51 PM

Dan, here is what I cant understand. Why would the family and others try to manufacture evidence--such as this tape or the unsigned statements--to try to get these guys arrested for this. Is it because Beth is so certain that they are guilty.

Beth surely has heard the tape. Why would she go along with this when it impacts her daughter> I just don't understand.

[Sharon]

YOU HEARD IT LIVE ON TAPE FROM THE RAPIST DAN YOU TWIST THE FACTS ...FACT IS HE SAID HE AND HIS BROTHER AND JORAN HAD SEX WITH NATALIE AND IF YOU HAD ANY COMMON SENSE YOU WOULD REALIZE SHE NEVER GAVE HER CONSENT...THEY PLUNDERED HER UNDER AND STOLE FROM HER AND THEN I BELIEVE KILLED HER...WAKE UP AND BE REAL FOR ONCE!
THEY WILL BE CONVICTED MARK MY WORDS! JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED ON A PLATTER!!

[berry]

You have no better idea than Dan does as to what really happened. The fact is the tapes, under Dutch law, are not evidence because no judge allowed the taping.

Beyond that Deepak's attorney says Deepak stands by his statement no one had sex with Natalee. Until someone reviews the videotape from which the audio tape was lifted, to see context and possible alterations or error, it is hard to know exactly what Deepak is responding to when he makes the statement. You don't know, I don't know and Dan does not know.

[berry]

Berry,

Neither Nancy DisGrace or Skeeter can be taken seriously.

++++++++++++++++++++

LOL. Don't worry I don't take them seriously.

[Not a Hand Wringer]

[[ Dan, here is what I cant understand. Why would the family and others try to manufacture evidence--such as this tape or the unsigned statements--to try to get these guys arrested for this. Is it because Beth is so certain that they are guilty.

Beth surely has heard the tape. Why would she go along with this when it impacts her daughter> I just don't understand. ]]

Skeeter's held onto the tape for quite some time before it was played on Dr. Phil.

So...why? If the evidence on the tape is so damaging, why the delay in turning it over to Aruban LE?

What we get instead, is this. The tape was held back for some time. Only played, once Dr. Phil had aired his show on Natalee. And the purpose of the show?

To build momentum for a boycott of Aruba so as to coerce the Aruban LE and Justice system to produce results for an impatient American viewing audience that has bought hook, line and sinker into the Natalee Holloway mythology.

In that sense....playing edited excerpts of a Deepak interview, so as to inflame emotions was a perfect tool to build support for a boycott. Which was the obvious intent of the Dr. Phil show...outside of the other obvious intent of building ratings during sweeps week.

Now that the show has aired...the tape mysteriously takes on it's ' justice delayed is no big deal ' persona, and disappears into a 'twilight zone' of issues that prevent if from having ever been handed over to Aruban LE.

My opinion, is that the tape has been so heavily edited to produce questionable content, it's of no use in it's original unedited form. Therefore, the tape is bound to add nothing, and only be yet another fabric of the Natalee Mythology when believers convince themselves that it's all an Aruban coverup that the tape is of no use.

[bizman]

Sharon,
Could you go back and listen to the tape again and inform all of us just where on the tape did Deepak say that they all three had sex with Natalee.He never said such a thing.Go ahead Sharon and report back to us where Deepak says such a thing.

How can you or anyone else say they stole from her?From all accounts she was flaunting herself for all eyes to see.Sharon perhaps you should stop drinking the KOOL-AID as it is havinga serious effects on you.It s obvious that the KOOL-AID is making you hear things on the tape that is never said by Deepak.

[RdWarrior]

Time again to debunk the RiehlWorld "I hate Beth Twitty" Slime Machine

The FBI has the Skeeter tapes of Kalpoe. They have had them for awhile. Why didnt Aruba ask the FBI for them in the first place?

Did anyone catch Dompig spin about Joran's statements?? He says that Beth is wrong that Joran admitted to raping Natalee while she was in and out of consciousness....Dompig claims that Joran "was thinking about taking Natalee inside his house". What bull crap.

Aruba is taking a lot of heat because of those tapes. And they have a big problem...either A: Deepak told investigators the same thing like in the Skeeters tapes (and the Arubans let him walk)...or B: Deepak lied to authorities earlier when compared to Skeeters tape (why hasnt he been re-arrested for lying??)

Those tapes are a nightmare for Aruba....and that is why they must lie about them

My sources are a hell of a lot better than Riehl...by far.

I bet Riehl is rejoicing that Steve Croes is now wanting to sue Beth (hint he has no case...hahaha)

BOYCOTT ARUBA NOW!

[bizman]

You have it wrong RDWARRIOR,Beth put the spin on the statement about sex in the apartment.

You have no credible sources so please do not act as if you are in the know.

The Skeeter's tape is of no consequence in the case.Any one with half a brain cell(that includes you)can tell from listening to it that it is a farce.If it was genuine it would have been played in its entirety as that would have garnered even more ratings for Dr.Phil.

In fact when the dust settles there will be a lot of lawsuits filed against the newfound media star Twitty.

[Aruba is for liars]

Hang them all

[chip]

regarding the skeeters tape:

i was certain that he had turned it into the fbi.he confimed that last night but said he turned it in 2 weeks ago.the tape was done in july.....why did it take so long?

[bizman]

Chip,it took so long to turn over the tape because it is a fraud.

[JW]

Anyone believing that the tape recording of Deepak is anything but the real thing is fooling themselves. Why, please tell me why someone would fraudulantly forge, doctor a tape to put themselves at risk of going to jail. Makes no sense.

Deepak, Joran, Satish, Paulus, and Steven are going to jail for their role in the sexual assault and murder of Natalee Holloway

[Jami]

I agree the tape is legit and will be prpven as such. People here speculate way tooooooooooooo much.

[mona]

My sources are a hell of a lot better than Riehl...by far.

I bet Riehl is rejoicing that Steve Croes is now wanting to sue Beth (hint he has no case...hahaha)

BOYCOTT ARUBA NOW!

Posted by: RdWarrior | Oct 13, 2005 1:41:51 PM

Hey ...do you have sources that have any information on the hotel casino tapes....the tapes rolling from all over the casino...tapes from Natalee and Joran at the casino..surely some camera must have picked them up? Or dont they use camera's in casino...only govt official...no hotel security? Where are these people?

[prayers]

Please Tom and Red give us a place with real knowledge and information for discussions.

BRING BACK THE MONKEY CAGE. This is HELL

[TexasGasMaster]

Hi Bizman
Yes!...I agree with all your post tonight!
The inveatigation has always needed to be centered around the Mountain Brook robo kids and the chaperones!