The ACLU And Child Porn

I'm not fond of slippery slopes, they all too often slide the wrong way. And my position on prostitution is mostly hands off - hell, I couldn't afford it! : )

But when it comes to child porn ... well, that's a different matter. Make up your own minds. Read the material and let me know what you think. Ian has a video accessible through the link below.

In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.”

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[TheAlamo]

In 1982, the ACLU, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the Supreme Court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography.”

Posted by Dan in Politics | Permalink

The purpose of the ACLU is to make average Americans abhor our freedoms by distorting them way beyond the guidelines that normal and sane people adhere to as a normal and sane way to live.
If they can get us disgusted with the "over the top" interpretation of our freedom on things such as this, then it is much easier for the government to get more laws curtailing "normal" freedoms. One may want to consider the past few years as Americans have willingly given up their rights in order to be "safe." We, of course, are no safer than before the draconian legislation, but the "perception" is carried on and bantered about to make sure the trash sticks. If anyone decides tomorrow to go blow up a building, or become a sniper and start shooting people---they will do it, and all the laws in the world cannot stop them. The un-constitutional laws are the victory that the ACLU actually seeks....and, as you can see, they have been very, very successful in these past two administrations of Clinton and Bush. Watch....there is more to come.

They occaisionally take on a case that has merit to cover the real program, but their overall record would make Moscow proud, and if I recollect correctly, that is where the majority of their initial funding came from via indirect mode from the American communist party.

[TheAlamo]

Yep....here it is...

Under the leadership of Dr. Ward, the MFSA also openly expressed admiration for Stalinist communism. In 1953, the House Committee on Un-American Activities named Dr. Ward a Communist Party member. Manning Johnson, a member of the Communist Party, referred to Ward as “the chief architect for Communist infiltration and subversion in the religious field.” Similarly, the MFSA was officially cited as a communist front organization.

In 1920, Dr. Ward helped found the ACLU and became its first chairman. For years, the ACLU remained a relatively small organization. Then, in 1928, it received national recognition during the famous John T. Scopes trial. Although ACLU lawyer Clarence Darrow lost the case, he brought the ACLU (and Darwin’s evolution theory) national recognition.

Throughout the 1930s, communists infiltrated the ACLU. Finally, in 1940, political pressure forced the ACLU board to pass a resolution removing anyone “who is a member of any political organization which supports totalitarian dictatorship in any country.” As a result, Ward and several other communists were purged from the organization. But in 1967, the board essentially rescinded the 1940 Resolution, and the Union welcomed communists back into the organization.

[TheAlamo]

Yeah, the good ole ACLU....

David Kupelian is managing editor of WorldNetDaily.com and author of the recently published book The Marketing of Evil: How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom. The American Civil Liberties Union, says Kupelian, falls into the category of groups discussed in his book because of its founder.

"The ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin, who was a card-carrying Communist," Kupelian states. "This not me, some right-winger, saying 'Oh, he's a Commie' -- I'm not saying he was a Communist, he said he was a Communist, he belonged to the Communist Party, and he wanted to further the cause of Communism."

In fact, according to Alan Sears of the Alliance Defense Fund, Baldwin -- 15 years after founding the ACLU -- wrote: "I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

[Imamama]

Thanks for puting the facts here TheAlamo.

This was taken from the link which further illustrates your points:

"The truth is this organization wants to turn America into a different country. One where laws are set aside in favor of unbridled chaos. One vastly different than what our founders intended. One along the lines of their founder when he stated…

“I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” '

But regardless of their intent - how, in God's wisdom can they condone Child Pornography (ok, just the sale of it --- WHAT!?@#)

Or, as they did a few weeks ago, question the legal validity of searching individuals as they borded the metro in New York and other east coast cities. NPR interviewed an attorney for the ACLU who stated they thought that the searches were unjustified and unwarranted. And while they understood the safety concerns for american citizens, they were afraid of possible ramifications of such searches.

This is no longer "over the top" policy making, this is a pernicious atrocity.

[annie]

Posted by: Imamama | Oct 12, 2005 11:19:11 AM

Well said! I agree!

[farmgirl]

The Official Police can go too far and not sure they didn't do that in Texas this past week...arrested a man for taking "inappropriate" pictures of women and children..

just interesting..they just let real porn go right past on a free ride and arrest this guy ..

Seems he taking picures of their body parts///>>>>!!!!????

its something any nut can do anytime with a telephoto lens and probably does. I wouldn't like it if done to me but I think more likely a "friend " would simply relieve the guy of this camera for a minute..delete the pics and send him n his way..not sure this is police matter..

anybody got any thoughts on it?

But just seems like there has to be more to the story...let's hope so..are we are all in trouble.

[TheAlamo]

But regardless of their intent - how, in God's wisdom can they condone Child Pornography (ok, just the sale of it --- WHAT!?@#)

Posted by: Imamama | Oct 12, 2005 11:19:11 AM

(they have no use for God, and below explains why)
The purpose of the ACLU is to make average Americans abhor our freedoms by distorting them way beyond the guidelines that normal and sane people adhere to as a normal and sane way to live.

This is a long story, and obviously not enough room to cover it here, but communism is not the "poor and downtrodden" overthrowing the "rich capitalists" it is the rich MONOPOLISTS establishing TOTAL monopoly over all sectors of life, but the "ploy" is to make it look like the "poor" are gaining control, when, in fact the poor are exploited, and utilized for their purposes. If they were not, then why are socialist countries always FULL of poor?

Great sums of money have been made available to "socialists, communists and fascists" from these monopolistic sources. This is why they can afford to work on a slow steady basis to dissolve the heritage that promotes the original life values that we once had...and I mean "once" had...as Americans.
You can take virtually every realm of our society and see that it is either "switched" to the socialist mindset, or is under attack from many different fronts. The current efforts are to completely eliminate the Bill of Rights, and although that process has actually been occurring since the civil war, it has, in the last two presidency's, reached warp speed.

Notice how this generation is willing to trade their rights for a false sense of "safety" and security....one that cannot exist, and promises that cannot be kept. They could not have pulled this off in the 60's or earlier. The population had to be conditioned to not only accept the loss of their rights, but to actually join in and convince themselves and their peers that it was necessary....and...that we are really not giving anything up. This is the way it has worked in 100% of the other nations that are now socialist. Nothing new here, but it is obviously not going to be taught in government schools because those very schools are the mechanisms for the conditioning necessary to promote the agenda.
Check out the 10 planks of the communist manifesto and see how many are in place in the USA. Then check with people to see whether they think those things are "normal" and they will look at you like you are crazy. Government controlled schools? A plank of the communists? Now way. Or they will respond, well yeah, but our schools are different.

When ANYTHING other than the military is controlled from a nationalistic, centralized post, it has the potential for misuse, and historically that potential leads to totalitarianism...in one form or another.
We are there, and the people have been so well conditioned that they think personal responsibility is choosing who to vote for...and freedom is what the government "allows." Hell, that IS communism.

[Imamama]

"Notice how this generation is willing to trade their rights for a false sense of "safety" and security...."

Could you please elaborate what you mean by a false sense of safety and security?

Great post.

[TheAlamo]

You can go back to crises after crises to see the patterns. Waco..Oklahoma City..9-11. After "crises" new legislation is appropriated which further enhances the police powers of the state, and the "patriot" acts bascially totally eliminate the 4th and 5th amendments. The right to privacy is totally gone, and they can look into your financial affairs in depth, any time they want. Cash a check for over $10,000 and you have to explain why. None of these things are consistent with any sort of "free" country, and are certainly diametrically opposed to the original USA. They are working very diligently on the first amendment right now, and each new "addition" like "political speech" etc. ...will be more limiting. Watch.

The 9-11 crises was an immediate "knock-off" for me because the very morning the news casts made the following statements..."well, we are going to ahve to take a look at some of the freedoms we have taken so much for granted." They were preparing the people for the "patriot" acts (which, were already written and waiting). I obviously did not know of the "patriot" acts, but I remember telling my wife...well this is what this is all about...watch the assaults on the Constitution that occur from this.

And, of course, wham! Patriot act, signed by members of congress--who didn't even bother to read it.

Since that time you will always hear words like "safe", or being "protected" being utilized in the MSM news sources. (you will also see further assaults on the "non-traditional" news sources...like this blog, coming down the pike) This reassures the people that they are "safe" because of these actions....while at the very same time they continually announce "terrorist" warnings. Why? Because the "patriot" acts, and all of these other things meant to "protect" us only affect you and me---not any "terrorist."

When I stated a "false" sense of safety and security, this is because that is the excuse given the people for the passage of these abominations. The fact is, that if tomorrow you decide to go blow up a building, you are not going to stop yourself because you are breaking the law--you will do it anyway and could care less about the law.

IF they really wanted to promote "safety" anyone with 1/4 ounce of a brain would know that the very first thing would be to close off illegal immigration...and yet, this government wants to give amnesty to illegals, and the borders are wide open. Down here where I live, trains come across every single day from Mexico. Not one has ever been searched...even on 9-12-01. Now, if you were a terrorist could you get into this country? But they will damn sure search a 75 yer old grandmother and embarass the hell out of her if she tries to get on an airplane. These things are done for "conditioning" purposes to get the people ready for a police state.
The Bush administration is doing everything in its power to eliminate posse comitatus, almost to the point of hysteria. They will find an excuse to use the military for policing powers. Again, only the "normal" citizen will be affected...criminals, by their very nature will stay criminals and terrorists will still be terrorists. Interestingly this same administration that wishes to use the military to control our civilian population will NOT allow them to be used to seal off our borders.

They have convinced people that "safety" is provided by legislation and police, when in fact, neither can guarantee it at all.
Law enforcement investigates crime AFTER it happens. If it prevented crime, then why is the USA the country with the most criminals behind bars?
Laws are obeyed by law abiding people---NOT criminals. So, the only people who have been violated by these acts are non-lawbreakers...i.e. the ordinary citizen. Criminals and terrorists could care less if they obey the law or not.
Therefore, you are not any more "safe" today, than you were when your freedoms were intact....but you will hear that you are.

For many people this gives them the excuse they need to just give up their rights, without protest...and many in fact will try to convince you it is necessary, when in fact it is a total outright lie....but it is easy. Much easier than fighting to keep them.

[Imamama]

So, the ACLU plays both sides by "stating" that their concern is for the common man's personal freedom; defending their right to privacy (thus their outrage at checking peoples backpacks and briefcases out East.) But the intent is obviously quite different.

So what's the end gain? Who wins?

Maybe more importantly, how is this "trend" reversed?

So many questions... sorry.

I had someone sign a letter once "Stay strong, Remain Fearless" Perhaps a new mantra? I think I'll make t-shirts for us all.

Oh, and thank you for eloquently stating the obvious regarding closing the borders to illegal immigrants. That alone is the worst atrocity this nation has or will ever endure.

[Thealamo]

Long story, but short version....
Since the beginning of time, man has sought power over others. Nothing new here. What WAS new was the original USA. Never before had mankind achieved such personal freedom, and thus and abundant life for the majority of the people. The USA could only be conquered from within. How? Greed, money and power. Greed, control, and power will always be present, but when those that are "infected" by such, get political control, as they now have here...then people begin getting squeezed--as we are both politically and economically. It is when the average person quits paying attention to these things, that the "other side" gains a foothold.

As you may have noted, Americans do not realize what is happening to them. This is done professionally, and the ACLU has always played both sides of the fence. They, of course, are not the only organization, but their history of being obligated to the communist doctrine does put them in the light more than others...who, by the way, hold a similar philosophy, but have not declared it in the way the ACLU has.

What is to gain? Who wins? Long story, but you have to go back to feudal times when family heirarchies ruled the day. It is much the same mindset today. The "power" families don't EVER want any competition, especially from some upstart nobodies. How to make sure? Political control...hence communism, under the guise of the poor overthrowing the "rich" the super rich have gained total control over all. The poor, of course, never get anywhere, and, in fact, get worse, but they are given th illusion that they have a say so in their lives. Fascism (which is where we are) is similar but the big corporations never relinquish control to the government---they control the government itself, and make sure all legislation guarantees their continued dominance. In order to do so, continuing legislation that affects the "little guy" is ongoing, and, at the same time, more and more police state type antics are performed on the target peoples, and are usually the result of "crises." In a crises, people are more likely to bend, or give up their rights in order to restore order. Sometimes though, the rights never "re-appear" as in nazi Germany. Here, there is an ongoing crises plan as you can see from Okla City, Waco, 9-11...and, more to come. As long as they have "terrorism" to hide behind, then they will be able to not only pass laws abridging freedoms, they will have the support of the masses...which, they are definitely afraid of. The masses, feeling "patriotic" will not only give up their rights, they will cheer when it is done to them--as we have already seen here.
For this reason you will never see an end to "terrorism." It is a very useful tool in controlling the masses, and, when you have a bunch, such as the Islamic radicals, who are willing to die, then you have the means to give it a life of its own. (what one always ahs to aks is where to the guns come from? Where do the bombs come from? If these "terrorists" are a rag tag bunch, where does the BILLIONS of dollars necessary to run their programs...come from? Bin Laden? One person is not that wealthy, and, since he supposedly has been stripped of all earning capacity, where does the money come from? Why aren't the "terrorists" blowing up the oil wells and the Afghan pipeline? The quickest way to hurt both the new governments in those two countries is to blow up the oil wells and pipelines. Never will happen.

My son is in Iraq, right now. I don't like it but, I always support our military--it is not their choice to be there. The government that sent them...is a different story. I believe we must win, but we will not. Why? No nation in history has ever defeated a homegrown guerrilla force. If you add to this, the fact that these idiots are willing to blow themselves up, as well as their fellow countrymen...just how can that be overcome? Kill them all? One suicide bomber averages 7-8 deaths per incident. Doesn't compute too well.

If you have perpetual crises, then you can achieve perpetual control. It just makes sense. And, we have a pre-planned economic crises on the horizon that is going to be very, very tough. Another reason for government to be the "savior" and you will see it happening as legislation "helping" the poor is passed which actually gives them more and more control, and strangles the economy even worse than they have done already. presently.

[Imamama]

So what we have here, in today's American society, is a faliure to understand what is being communicated. Through naiveté, perhaps, or ignorance.

Very compeling post - I appreciate your remarks, they've got the mind's wheel turning.

ps - I will keep your son in our prayers.

[TheAlamo]

So what we have here, in today's American society, is a faliure to understand what is being communicated. Through naiveté, perhaps, or ignorance.

Posted by: Imamama | Oct 13, 2005 3:44:24 PM

Actually, it is a failure of the information to be communicated at all...at least by the controlled media. This is why they are going to go after internet news sources. Truth always has a way of bearing itself out. Those who would quelch dissenting opinion by force, are rarely on the side of truth. If they have to use force to keep opposing opinions from being asserted, then theirs must be on tenuous ground at the very least, but far more likely theirs is the actual villain between the two. Otherwise why use force?

[AnferTuto]

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