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Thanks Dan! :)

Bigfish

Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. I hope that Paulus is able to clear his name.

If PVDS has any thing to hide I really dont think he would be filing any kind of suits or petitioning anyone in the middle of this investigation.He would be keeping a low profile.

Guess he needs to get back to selling those drugs again to get ahead again !

A desperate and scared man. Wonder how much sweat he has accumalated lately. Does he carry a towel now. Hope so, that stuff can get messy. LOL

Posted by: ! | Oct 25, 2005 12:17:40 AM

Dangerous statement to declare that he is selling drugs. Could put Dan on the hot seat.

If he gets his pardon then I wonder how much that will set him back. How much will he have to pay the judge for that. LOL....

Guess he needs to get back to selling those drugs again to get ahead again !

A desperate and scared man. Wonder how much sweat he has accumalated lately. Does he carry a towel now. Hope so, that stuff can get messy. LOL

Posted by: ! |
You are a pathetic joke!!!

If PVDS has any thing to hide I really dont think he would be filing any kind of suits or petitioning anyone in the middle of this investigation.He would be keeping a low profile.

Yeah, sure!


Dangerous statement to declare that he is selling drugs. Could put Dan on the hot seat.

Posted by: sowrong | Oct 25, 2005 12:23

How could it???????????Dan didn't say it


come on people, get real!

JR - If you are still there i would like to ask you a question regarding admissibility of the tapes; always glad to see you here...Dan should put you on retainer as legal advisor! Anyway...regardless of the tapes' authenticity...could you please explain Dutch/Aruban law, that would prohibit tapes being considered by court? Apologize if you have explained this before...appreciate your input...thank you...danie

JR - If you are still there i would like to ask you a question regarding admissibility of the tapes; always glad to see you here...Dan should put you on retainer as legal advisor! Anyway...regardless of the tapes' authenticity...could you please explain Dutch/Aruban law, that would prohibit tapes being considered by court? Apologize if you have explained this before...appreciate your input...thank you...danie

Posted by: danie
Hi danie,I will answer questions tomorrow....I'm wiped!
Just want to read a bit on the latest and go to bed.
Take care!

Hope so, that stuff can get messy. LOL

First, I can assure you that a blogger can be held liable if it can be ascertained that they monitor a forum of theirs in some way which includes libelous statements of which they were aware. I'll be deleting the comment.

! - I've had enough. It simply isn't productive and is entirely out of hand.

JR - thank you...as i said, very much appreciate legal input; feel many do not place enough importance on how critical it is.....enough from me...sleep well! danie

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A Dutch official in Aruba who was once held in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has petitioned a judge to clear him of suspicion in the case so that he can be rehired by the government, his lawyer said................

........he doesn't want to be cleared too much in my book. Not unless he allows a search of the backyard and house.

JR - thank you...as i said, very much appreciate legal input; feel many do not place enough importance on how critical it is.....enough from me...sleep well! danie

Posted by: danie | Oct 25, 2005 12:44:51 AM

You know...in the end that's all that will really matter...evidence,plain/cold evidence and that makes it a very tight and safe system.
You can not fool around with it.
It's the judge and nobody else who will give the final answer.
JR


The Deepak tape would not be admissible in the US courts. This isn't unique to laws in Aruba. I also read on Hyscience site that taping someone without their permission as was done for Deepak (if it was indeed without permission) is criminally punishable.

I hope Mr.and Mrs.Paulus Van Der Sloot Can have thier lives returned to them.
The Peterson Family was not treated as bad in the MSM, and did not lose thier Life long Careers .
God Bless you Natalee .
I love you babe ;^)

Dangerous statement to declare that he is selling drugs. Could put Dan on the hot seat.

Posted by: sowrong | Oct 25, 2005 12:23


How could it???????????Dan didn't say it


come on people, get real!

Posted by: in-disbelief | Oct 25, 2005 12:26:44 AM

I agree, it can not put Dan in the hot seat. Need a crash course in American law perhaps?

I hope the judge does clear him. Not only has this harmed Paulus, but his whole family. He is a primary wage earner and has a family to support, including two younger children. I have never believed he had any role in what has happened to Natalee. I do think, however, until this case is resolved or dies down, that his employment will be affected some in that it will be necessary for him to not be working near the Aruba PI as conflict of interest or any appearance thereof must be avoid. Perhaps he could work in the Netherlands, farther away from the case investigation.

Posted by: shonane | Oct 25, 2005 1:37:15 AM

you are 1 of the best posters I
had the joy of "seeing".. You are very Calm and have a good Mind.
We need more like you.

People posting comments on this site have never lived in a carribean community like Aruba...I have lived in Curacao (a dutch island next to Aruba) for 5 years and will tell you that in these small isolated communities, they always will favor locals over foriegners, this is just their protective mentality. Also corruption is rampant. Everone there knows high ranking officials regularly recieve drug money from Venezualan and Colombian traffickers. Considering that PVDS was a high ranking official.
If a case like this happened in America, we would rightfully condemn the media for overblowing this case. But, this is not an american justice system that we are accustomed to.It is a notoriously corrupt one, where family ties etc can give you a pass to commit any crime you want. Where the sytem views natalee as a mere foriegner and JVDS and the Kalpoes as one of their own. It was obvious to me on day one this was a coverup. I sympathize with the parents and thank the media for bringing justice to this poor girl.

conozco mi gente (I know my people)

ustt..For someone with nothing to hide how come he wants to hide so much? ALE has confirmed his house and yard/well was NEVER searched because he has NOT allowed it. And he came up with the "no body, no crime" pow-wow with the 3 known suspects in this case before they were taken into custody. That's more then enough reason to hold off on clearing his name especially right now when this case is far from being solved.

Agreed that Paul and Anita need to have their lives back. They are a genuinely sincere, warm and honest couple.

IMO, PVDS would not be putting himself out there like this if there were anything to link him or his son to thie disposition of Natalee. Nor, IMO, would he be doing it if there were anything to connect the Kalopes, because Joran may be accused by association (at least in the MSM).

I think it's horrendous what the MSM is allowed to get away with in the US. In direct violation of the US Constitution's guarantee of fair and equal justice.

The tiny, young Sovereign Nation of Aruba should be revered by Americans for the humbling lessons in Justice.

Look Paulus lost his judge in training job before this ...he is just still trying to stick it to the people who didnt promote him in the first place. Something's not right with that man ...there is something about his ego and and how it appears to be much more important than anyone else's. I have always felt his decision to testify against Joran clearly laid the guilt at his feet. I think Paulus is disappointed they havent got him yet and is looking for attention in another way...sick sick puppy

If PVDS has any thing to hide I really dont think he would be filing any kind of suits or petitioning anyone in the middle of this investigation.He would be keeping a low profile.

Posted by: doesanyoneremembernatalee | Oct 25, 2005 12:22:19 AM

That's silly.....try, REALLY honestly try, just for a minute, to put yourself in his position and assume (just for a minute) that he is innocent. Then use your brain and see what happens. I promise it won't hurt!

ustt..For someone with nothing to hide how come he wants to hide so much? ALE has confirmed his house and yard/well was NEVER searched because he has NOT allowed it. And he came up with the "no body, no crime" pow-wow with the 3 known suspects in this case before they were taken into custody. That's more then enough reason to hold off on clearing his name especially right now when this case is far from being solved.

Posted by: kin | Oct 25, 2005 3:27:03 AM

What was in all those garbage bags tey hauled off their property early on in the investigation (along with a car I believe).....and please don't tell me about a cover-up because they only searched Joran's apartment......would you let LE tear your home apart with absolutely know probable cause - probably not (especially since no decent judge would write the search warrant to begin with).....we are so quick to take a culture and legal system we don't understand and label it as corrupt, inferior, backwards, etc. when there has been absolutely no evidence to show it is anything of the sort......if anything it may be better than our system because it does not allow the media to be invasive during the investigation.

conozco mi gente (I know my people)

Posted by: jon | Oct 25, 2005 2:35:36 AM

y "su gente" hablan espanol?

thought it was dutch and papamiento.....maybe you need to get reacquainted?

I doubt he had anything to do with anything relevant to Natalee - except to guide the trio through the process - for which he was beaten to death.

As if the American way alternative - lawyer up - would have earned the trio points.

I hope he is relieved of his suspect status. He can always become a suspect again - if necessary.

My sources at the FBI tell me it is highly unlikely PVDS will be cleared of suspicion.

Posted by: nycguy | Oct 25, 2005 7:25:37 AM

Curious just how involved the FBI has been. Many posters here believe they have not been involved at all. They have certainly been a silent partner! How much info do they have? Are they investigating other leads besides K2J and PVDS? Why have they been so quiet about everything?

Do we know if he testified under oath in front of this judge and cross examined by Karin Jensen in this hearing?

Surely it was not just a petition without testimony.

If the judge rules he is not a suspect, and new evidence if brought forward can he be named a suspect again?

Reminds me of a song,
Money, Money, Money,

Just one other question, what was he a judge in training, no judge or a judge that failed?

People posting comments on this site have never lived in a carribean community like Aruba...I have lived in Curacao (a dutch island next to Aruba) for 5 years and will tell you that in these small isolated communities, they always will favor locals over foriegners, this is just their protective mentality. Also corruption is rampant. Everone there knows high ranking officials regularly recieve drug money from Venezualan and Colombian traffickers. Considering that PVDS was a high ranking official.
If a case like this happened in America, we would rightfully condemn the media for overblowing this case. But, this is not an american justice system that we are accustomed to.It is a notoriously corrupt one, where family ties etc can give you a pass to commit any crime you want. Where the sytem views natalee as a mere foriegner and JVDS and the Kalpoes as one of their own. It was obvious to me on day one this was a coverup. I sympathize with the parents and thank the media for bringing justice to this poor girl.
conozco mi gente (I know my people)
Posted by: jon | Oct 25, 2005 2:35:36 AM

Complete BS...corruption in the law there goes as far as it does here...you may be able to get a parking ticket fixed, but you cannot make a murder charge disappear. As for every high official in gov't accepting drug money, again BS. I don't know when you lived there or where you are now, but at best you ARE lieing or you ARE clueless.

If a case like this happened in America, we would rightfully condemn the media for overblowing this case. But, this is not an american justice system that we are accustomed to.It is a notoriously corrupt one, where family ties etc can give you a pass to commit any crime you want. Where the sytem views natalee as a mere foriegner and JVDS and the Kalpoes as one of their own. It was obvious to me on day one this was a coverup. I sympathize with the parents and thank the media for bringing justice to this poor girl.
conozco mi gente (I know my people)
Posted by: jon | Oct 25, 2005 2:35:36 AM


This is NOT complete BS. I live in South America as well , and I have lived on an Carribean Island called San Andres( Been halfof my life down here)

What this person is saying , is a very true description of how the way things work down here.

I just don't see how Americans who have never traveled out of their country can say they KNOW this is bs. Try living , not as a tourist, but as a resident in one of these places - and you'll see how it is.

I'm not saying that Mr. Sloot is indeed ivolved in corruption , BUT it is very very commonplace down here.

This is NOT complete BS. I live in South America as well , and I have lived on an Carribean Island called San Andres( Been halfof my life down here)

What this person is saying , is a very true description of how the way things work down here.

I just don't see how Americans who have never traveled out of their country can say they KNOW this is bs. Try living , not as a tourist, but as a resident in one of these places - and you'll see how it is.

I'm not saying that Mr. Sloot is indeed ivolved in corruption , BUT it is very very commonplace down here.

Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Oct 25, 2005 8:56:48 AM

Again, South America/San Andres and the Dutch Territories are not the same. Please don't try to extrapolate across different people and cultures. I stand by what I said about those comments of wide spread corruption being Absoulute BS. And I have also lived there and know the politics and politicians. Most people who live there can point out exactly who is involved in drugs or whatever, and it is absolutely FALSE to say that it is every high ranking official or the majority.

The first vistors to the island of San Andres were the dutch, there is a huge dutch influence there...

what are you saying that just because Aruba is part of the dutch territory that it is immune to corruption? Look even in the United States there is TONS of corruption within our own government.

To say that Aruba has no corruption , anywhere, is total BS..especially given the proximty to Colombia.

Do you think the drug bust off the coast was the first time Aruba has been used for this purpouse?

Aruba has a history with drug trafficking. Period. Yeah, they've cleaned up their act alot ( making it more difficult for Colombians to travel there) but it's a fact.

To say that any suspicion of corruption - is total BS - is really total BS.

Also the poster said "conozco mu gente"
You put this discredited this poster , pointing out that Aruba has creole , and dutch..that spanish was not spoken there.

Well there are TONS of Colombian nationals who live in Aruba , grew up there , yet still tend to speak in Spanish.

Ahem ...two people involved in this case were Colombian , and they SPOKE SPANISH!

Sorry my last comment in my post was directed to 'festicles'...he sounds like 'un genio' to me.

conozco mi gente (I know my people)

Posted by: jon | Oct 25, 2005 2:35:36 AM

y "su gente" hablan espanol?

thought it was dutch and papamiento.....maybe you need to get reacquainted?

Besides that there is a HUGE difference between Aruba and most of the other Caribbean Islands. For example: Last year in Curacao 69 murders, Aruba 3. Curacao, although a beautiful island, has a long way to go when it comes to crime fighting. Unemployment and poverty are big problems for Curacao. Comparing Aruba with any other Caribbean Island is nonsense. Aruba is Aruba.

Ahem ...two people involved in this case were Colombian , and they SPOKE SPANISH!

Posted by: Michelle(Diiedra) | Oct 25, 2005 9:37:57 AM

Well, I hope you do get your other facts straight. If you mean to say that the Deepak brothers are Colombian, you might want to recheck your facts, because they are from Suriname.

St. Barts , St. Martin, Caymen Islands San Andres's ( none which are part of the Dutch Kingdom) murders per year are comparable to Aruba's...

Yet I haven't heard all that much about drug trafficking and let say ...hmmm St. Barts?Nope never heard of it

but Aruba and drug trafficking...yeah! Aruba has a lot of history behind it when it comes to drug trafficking.

Ok mezcal now you have proved to me how way off you are....

The purported witness who was a gardener - was a Colombian national . . .

Also the man who purportedly saw the body dumped was either Colombian or Dominican ( in the interview he spoke spanish)

I have a good friend from Suriname...

besides anyone with brain cells can see the indian influence in Deepak and Satish's facial features... You think pointing that out makes you smart?

I may be debating with you , but you should look at my statement, think about other people who were somehow involved with the case - before getting a pompus attitude and thinking that somehow you are brighter than other people by jumping to conclusions

Fine, clear him after the search of his property is done that he said no to. WHY? People with nothing to hide, hide nothing. I heard that here somewhere I think.

Aruba A Drug Trafickers Paradise

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7437


Naaaaa no corrption in Aruba could be feasible. Only crazy people might think that about Aruba..it's so much better than the rest of the carribean . .

ahem

Aruba A Drug Trafickers Paradise

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7437


Naaaaa no corrption in Aruba could be feasible. Only crazy people might think that about Aruba..it's so much better than the rest of the carribean . .

ahem
Posted by: Michelle(diedra) | Oct 25, 2005 10:17:07 AM

WTH...it's not about whether or not Aruba is better than the rest of the Caribbean. It's about the sweeping BS generalizations that people make. They have minimal experience with the islands, or live somewhere else alltogether and then think they can speak for the entire place, today. COME ON, that's crap. You know what goes on in your part of the world better than I do, but you don't know this part. You cannot assume that you do. Can you name one Aruban politician apart from this Holloway case? Can you name one politician in the Dutch Territories? You cannot say that they are all corrupt since you don't know them. I stand by your and Jon's generalizations being BS because you either didn't know Aruban/Antillean/Dutch politics and culture in the first palce, or you don't know it now.

I've got you coughing...but try not to choke on this.

this is a pro vandersloot site

justthefacts I am not talking about Natalee Holloway ..on this particualar deabate

I was rebuting your DELUSIONAL statment that since Aruba is a dutch island it is somehow immune from corruption within it's government.

You hear me coughing? WTF? LOL You are delusional! You are hearing things now.

Do what your name says 'Sticktothefactspls"

Can you name one Aruban politician apart from this Holloway case? Can you name one politician in the Dutch Territories? You cannot say that they are all corrupt since you don't know them. I stand by your and Jon's generalizations being BS because you either didn't know Aruban/Antillean/Dutch politics and culture in the first palce, or you don't know it now.
________________________________________________

Oh and I don't need to..the 'culture' or the 'politics'Know why?

Because the Dutch/Arubans are humans as well...they are not saints.

The drug trafficking liason with Aruba has not survived and thrived for so long for no reason....

And saying that the Dutch/Arubans are in someway being saintly and better than the rest of the world/ carribean..as YOU try to proclaim..doesn't seem to make sense does it?
Arubans ( some ) and the Colombian drug lords have been comfy bedfellows for a long time :)...and continue to to so..

Oh and I don't need to..the 'culture' or the 'politics'Know why?

Because the Dutch/Arubans are humans as well...they are not saints.
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Oct 25, 2005 10:50:25 AM


Nobody's saying they're siants I'm just pointing out that you are ignorant of the specific situation on Aruba, the Dutch Territories and The Netherlands.

I think you just agreed with me on that. So if you clearly don't know, why assume you do? Why post about something you don't know about?

You can be a ignorant and as poorly informed on this as you want to be, but why spread around your misinformation and wrong generalizations.

gutsy move, for sure. "no body, no crime"


"Liars lie to avoid what the truth will bring"

this is a pro vandersloot site

Posted by: kyle | Oct 25, 2005 10:29:26 AM


I don't think this is so much a 'pro van der sloot site' as it is one where you are allowed to express your thoughts, either for or against them. This encourages intelligent discussions that don't necessarily follow the BHT party line. Most sites ban you if you don't agree with everything that Beth says. That's their right, but I don't really think that Dan is pro or con either the van der sloots or the holloway/twittys. I think he is just following the case as it goes, through all of the twists and turns. I am also pretty sure that if real evidence starts showing up to implicate the main suspects, he will post that as well.

*Sorry to speak for you Dan, this is clearly my opinion of what I think that you think.... ;-)

was rebuting your DELUSIONAL statment that since Aruba is a dutch island it is somehow immune from corruption within it's government.
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Oct 25, 2005 10:43:12 AM

Ahem ...two people involved in this case were Colombian , and they SPOKE SPANISH!

Posted by: Michelle(Diiedra) | Oct 25, 2005 9:37:57 AM

"Ahem"...sounded like a cough to me.

Again...you really overdo the generalizations.

I clearly never said Aruba is immune to anything. I said your and Jon's statements that all high ranking go'vt officials are corrupt is BOGUS. It's crap, and it's coming from someone who doesn't know the Dutch territories today. If you live in the Caribbean you must know how different each island is from the next. How can you honestly expect to make those sweeping generalizations without any experience of the specific place.

look don't assume I am don't know much when it comes to island with Dutch influence.

I have spent quite a lot of time in Indonesia with a a family of Dutch decent.

Just cuz you spew that you KNOW sooo much about the Dutch , and their politics ..DOESN'T mean you are soooo wordly and KNOW EVERYTHING.

I'll bet I am more traveled than you are.

People who brag about all they know it all usually don't that much at all.

You sound like a person who doesn't have a job , and tries to pretend to be important on internet forums.

The Dutch people are NO BETTER than any other people on the earth. They are just that Dutch people. :) So stop trying to claim they are.

First, I can assure you that a blogger can be held liable if it can be ascertained that they monitor a forum of theirs in some way which includes libelous statements of which they were aware. I'll be deleting the comment.

! - I've had enough. It simply isn't productive and is entirely out of hand.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 25, 2005 12:44:35 AM

This applies to the pro Twitty blogs and gives Paulus a fine sourc of income.

Hit em in the money and they back off.

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