Natalee Holloway: The Cover Up Begins In Mountain Brook

While I planned to say more on Joran's statements in this post, I thought it would be better to establish a baseline for when they were introduced. Part one of this series, Cable News: A Season Of Fraud, can be found here, if you missed it. This is part two - the next piece will follow in approximately a week and deal with Joran's alleged statements and the attempts to set him up, whether he is guilty or not. I am drawing no conclusion in that regard, only relying on current evidence, as opposed to unsubstantiated alleged facts and the mostly rumors being reported as news.

I've no information even remotely suggesting the reason we haven't been told the truth from the Mountain Brook side involves anything sinister. Nevertheless, what we have heard out of Mountain Brook amounts to a publicity campaign - and a consciously managed one at that.

As I'll take some heat for this post, I'll start by bringing in a colleague from the MSM - Mr. Bill O'Reilly himself - from Fox (Joran is evil - boycott Aruba) News. Fox was singing a different tune on June 16th, one they conveniently forgot.

ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos 'n Charlie's pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

KISSEL: I wouldn't say so. We were all having a good time. I'd go so far as to say that, but I wouldn't say intoxicated.

O'REILLY: She was drinking?

KISSEL: Drinking responsibly is what I would say.

O'REILLY: All right.

KISSEL: Along with the rest of us.

O'REILLY: Now, did you see her get into a car with Van Der Sloot and these two other guys?

KISSEL: I did not see her getting in the car. I saw her leaving, looked like with Van Der Sloot. I didn't see her getting in the car. You couldn't really see the road from inside the bar, so that is what I saw.

O'REILLY: But nothing set off any alarm bells for you, Ed? You didn't -- you weren't concerned or anything like that?

KISSEL: No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal.

Factor noted that most students and chaperones have been silent, and commended Kissel and Jordan for their willingness to speak on the record. "I appreciate both of you coming in and talking about what is a very painful experience."

For the record, I have never spoken to either of the students in the Bill O'reilly interview from the 16th, but I have confirmed my reporting through multiple sources from Mountain Brook who prefer to not be identified for this report. Also, drinking responsibly like the rest of us apparently includes at least one unidentified Mountain Brook student falling off the stage and cutting open his head.

Not long after a few individuals from Mountain Brook began talking candidly and openly about the trip, it was decided by someone that a candid picture was not what should be conveyed. Additionally, while I have not been able to independently confirm this one detail, it has been suggested by a credible source that we heard the word kidnapping in the beginning as it was determined to be the best way to get the FBI involved immediately due to a lack of confidence in the Aruban authorities to properly investigate the case.

For those intent on bashing the Aruban LE - who did clearly drop the ball in the case early on in a significant way - I've been told that through changes in agent assignments and kids travel plans immediately after the trip, it was likely more than a month after Natalee's disappearance that the FBI completed the last debriefing of students on the trip. I have no knowledge of how candid any of the attendees were with authorities.

Regardless of whether that particular item regarding a kidnapping is true or not, though in hindsight it certainly makes sense, the clear and organized effort undertaken to craft this story lends support to the notion that things were being calculated from very early on. Consequently, I am repeating that qualified statement from one credible source.

I admit to having lost patience with the tactic of continuing to accuse, demean and slander other chiefly young individuals when absolutely no proof has been put forward that they are guilty of any crime. Especially while willfully hiding the complete truth from an America which was reached out to so actively for financial and emotional support.

Recently I heard Beth Twitty make a televised accusation as to Paulus having an illegitimate child. Internet readers know that rumor has circulated for months and has never been documented by any evidence at all. I've been told the individual in question lost his real Father, who is said to have owned a local car dealership, some time ago. To the best of my knowledge he has no connection to Paulus Van der Sloot whatsoever.

As far as anyone I've spoken with can tell, there is no real evidence to suggest anything other than perhaps two young, behaviorally dumb, because they were both drunk, teenagers went to a beach one night of their own accord and after one left, the other disappeared.

Even the terrible pain, perhaps of a Mother in denial, is no excuse for a great injustice, especially when willing to obfuscate and conceal pertinent details around the incident, or perhaps not take the time to ascertain them. Hanging a noose around someones neck for life when you can't substantiate they've committed a crime is simply one more injustice added to the terrible tragedy of Natalee's disappearance. And it will not bring her back. As far as I can tell, there has been no credible evidence produced by anybody at this point.

In defense of Beth Twitty, I also believe there was an effort to smear and direct blame at the boys by parties other than those from Mountain Brook. I will address that in a later post. In short, it is quite possible that she has been reacting based upon the information she has been told, which the media never bothered to debunk, as I believe they should have.

If someone has real evidence that the three boys are guilty and will produce it - I'd be one of the first to call for their heads on a stick. But people should not have to endure accusations without evidence, or in the face of the public getting an unfairly imbalanced and fully managed story.

At least one credible media organization backed off of this story as it became clear that they were not going to be able to practice prudent journalism among trip attendees from Mountain Brook as a result of the access, limitations and rules for questions imposed. Logically, assuming they encountered the same obstacles, that didn't seem to bother cable news.

A word on Mountain Brook. While I've no doubt it is comprised of many good people it is an upper-middle, to upper class area where image is everything. It became clear to different residents I spoke with that saying or doing anything as regards the trip or the story which was not approved could lead to, in essence, being somehow negatively labeled within the community. Mountain Brook, Alabama was not going to do its wash in public, or tolerate anyone who might.

I personally have no qualms with that issue, but in the face of the the continuing unsupported accusations and allegations ever inflated by cable news, it's time someone came forward to tell what they know to at least lend balance to this story.

In a report from one earlier but recent graduate of Mountain Brook High School, the class of 2005 had something of a reputation for hard partying above and beyond what was considered the norm.

I've never heard anyone directly categorize Natalee Holloway as anything but a decent, average young girl of eighteen - but based on eyewitness accounts of that evening, as well as other evenings at Carlos and Charlies when she was present, dancing and drinking, the recent quotes from Joran Van Der Sloot as to Natalee's approach and demeanor that night are not at all inconsistent with accounts from some students from Mountain Brook on the trip and at C and C. Actually, I've been told that another young woman other than Natalee was said to be fond of the boy, but apparently Natalee somehow wound up with him that evening.

Based upon talking to individuals on the trip and also highly credible adults who spoke directly with other students on the trip, I have no reason to conclude anything other than that Natalee was with Joran and left with him that evening of her own free will and that any behaviors which may have been the result of intoxication were most likely the result of her own less than responsible drinking.

According to one student - they went to Carlos and Charlies that last night to really blow it out and most in attendance, especially late that night, did. Also, many in the group regularly attended Carlos and Charlies and Natalee was there at least the previous night behaving just as she did that last night. It's reported that there was actually a scuffle the previous night because she was approached by another boy from the island originally mistaken for and reported as Joran Van der Sloot, while dancing provocatively, who it seems was not even there. Allegedly the boy groped her on the dance floor. That led to the early rumors of Joran having had a fight with a kid from Mountain Brook, which is now said to have not been the case at all.

Multiple reports from students on the trip described Joran as a nice, quiet, non-aggressive and seemingly decent guy they had seen around on more than one occasion.

The environment and goings on at C&C were in no way unwelcome, new, or alien to many students by that point in the trip. Also, contrary to reports that sex was a minor part of the trip, some attendees expressed a very different opinion, having observed some notable amount of bed hopping among attendees. This was a large group, however, and that shouldn’t be interpreted to mean that all in attendance on the trip were so engaged. And no one has told me personally that Natalee was so inclined, either.

I am not suggesting students who did come forward on TV, most notably seemingly the same three girls, time and again, were lying. I have no indication they were lying at all. Whatever information campaign went on was controlled by adults and Fox ET AL were only going to be given access to certain individuals who were going to tell a particular story as a result of what they knew, or didn't know.

Any reputable news organization would have walked away at that point - but not cable news. My reasons for setting the record as straight as I can now is motivated only by my desire to understand the truth of what happened to Natalee, which is what I set out to do in the first place.

The reason I think the Mountain Brook side of this story needs to be told truthfully is for the perspective it lends, not because I am suggesting Natalee Holloway was at fault for whatever may have happened to her, or because she was anything less than a completely decent girl. But it is simply unfair for so many to judge Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers without knowing the full story as best as it can be ascertained under the circumstances.

Additionally, more than one conversation I had with television sources seemed to make it perfectly clear - Beth Twitty was the ratings driver and the last thing they seemed to want to do was jeopardize a ticket to good ratings by asking hard questions, presenting a more balanced story, or trying to get at the truth in any other version than what was being packaged and presented by one side for fear of alienating Beth Twitty.

“She’s driving this story,” it was stated. “It’s amazing, but she is.” To my knowledge, that is not something she ever directly conveyed, but among certain network personnel it was clearly assumed.

I'm aware of at least two specific cases where certain individuals in television and print media wanted to air or write stories with witnesses and or photographs which were significantly less flattering than I will be as regards Natalee's behavior in Carlos and Charlies that evening. Personally, I had no role in crafting either story, only good knowledge of them through direct sources. Neither story ever ran, not because they weren't solid, but because no one wanted to risk rocking the ratings boat.

If the cable networks wish to pass the sort of coverage they're doing off as entertainment, that's certainly their right. But by characterizing any of the reporting they've been doing on this tragic case as news is both demeaning to the word as commonly used, and a slap in the face to any credible journalist writing in any medium.

The Mountain Brook side of this story was not reported by any news organization. It was crafted, managed and delivered by a family member and an associate of the family with a background in public relations. And media was not going to be given access to anyone who did not adhere to a pre-determined script or template as regards the Mountain Brook side of the trip and Natalee’s time in Aruba.

And so far as I can ascertain the cable news networks made no serious effort to get beyond that wall. It appears they were content to sacrifice journalistic ethics for the sake of high ratings at nearly every step of the way.

This series of posts is not about the long-suffering Mother of a missing girl – it is about the media, it’s handling of the story and, ultimately, while their failure to adhere to reasonable journalistic standards may have helped to set the stage for innocent boys being accused by many, while some real perpetrator slipped away.

However, even that doesn’t excuse any carelessness or potential corruption on the part of Arubans or Aruban authorities, which I have yet to address - and will.

This post is also available at Blogger News Network.

Comments

[JenD]

So Dan, is what your saying that if it stated from the beginning that Natalie was drunk and left with Joran or Depak or Satish willingly and never came home would Beth would NOT have had the right to bring as much attention to this case as possible to help get it solved?

I could give two sh*ts whether or not Natalie was drunk, or left with Joran willingly. If this was the case, which it very well might have been, that does not mean that she deserved what happended nor that it should not have been investigated.

I'm so amazed that people get so hung up with Beth, she's the parent of a missing child for god's sake! I would have screamed from the top of the empire state building if my child went missing and if I felt that the young men she was last seen with were not being properly investigated. It appalls me that some of you are "wondering" what she's done with all the money that was donated - she spent it staying in Aruba for 3 months trying to find her daughter. I highly doubt she's "living it up" somewhere with the cash.

Y'all need to think for just one minute what it could possibly be like to have your daughter missing.

[dave]

"Listen, why do you guys look to bloggers with totally unanymous and unknown sources to justify your belief that Joran is innocent?"

Apparently you can look to Beth with her anonymous sources to judge him guilty. And I have never said he was innocent, I only said there's no evidence we're aware of and Beth isn't relying on "evidence" to continue to make outlandish statements. The fact is, my statements are more reasoned and objective than hers, by far. If you don't see that, than you have lost track of all the things she has said. Remember when she was going to rock the world with revelations? Where are they, except for her continued speculation?

Posted by: Dan | Oct 8, 2005 11:23:34 PM

Please go back and reread what I just said. I never claimed that you said they were innocent; I said that others on these forums were using your posts to justify that conclusion. Also, I never onced cited Beth for what I was saying, nor do I take her word as gospel. My contention is that there is evidence in this case, though it is most likely circumstantial. The reason behind this is that the ALE has made several public statements now where they said they believe the boys are involved. Dompig said so tonight, and Roy Tromp has said so previously, as well. I think there would have to be at least some evidence to indicate the boys involvment in order for the ALE to come right out and say they believe that. There has to be a good reason behind that, and I don't think that a boy telling one lie would be a strong enough reason. OF course, I could be wrong and the ALE could be completely incompetent, which would explain why they would persue these boys so long if there was no evidence against them. But I do think that ALE is probably a lot more adept than most people here give them credit for.

I guess you could say, that I am disputing this part of your article:

"As far as anyone I've spoken with can tell, there is no real evidence to suggest anything other than perhaps two young, behaviorally dumb, because they were both drunk, teenagers went to a beach one night of their own accord and after one left, the other disappeared."

The prosecutor and the ALE have persued these boys quite intensely, something I think we agree on. Personally, I can't see that happening if your above quote is true.

[Mezcal]

Posted by: dave | Oct 8, 2005 11:23:48 PM

Okay, one more response, I really need to go.
First of all it is ABSOLUTELY NOT true that there are no other party willing to come on the show. Some Arubans have initiated an E-mail to all the major news channels and send it around to everybody on the island to sign it, before they send it to thes news channel. On this list were legal, business, bank people, ordinary Arubans and prominent Arubans. And NOBODY got invited, I have to go now, but if you don;t believe me, I have the e-mail still in my inbox and I'll send it if you want! Dutch or Aruban lawyers are not allowed to discuss their case with anyone outside their clients during an investigation, so it is of no use to appear because they would get slaughtered without the possibility to defend themselves.
And if it was your daughter missing, if you knew a tape existed on which one of the major suspects tells exactly what happened and who did what to her, wouldn't you want this tape delivered to the authorities ASAP?? If not the ALE, then the FBI? Or would you go to the news channels so your daughters private life would be thrown on the table and trampled upon by people who have only one interest: Ratings!!

[usmcmom]

However, the professional passing themselves off as journalists will never again have my respect. They have used Beth, and also I think, somehow empowered her to go after suspects with no legal proof.

Posted by: bmt | Oct 8, 2005 6:05:49 PM

Not only have they empowered Beth, but IMO they have tried to give her crazier outbursts authenticity, thus diminishing the things she said early on that might have some actual investigative worth or value. I cannot recall one journalist/reporter/lawyer that has ever stopped her and told her that some of the things she is stating maybe misleading to the public or downright false. If the news media is going to continue down this unchecked path, I wish Marcia Twitty, who I believe is stated to be the family member with the PR background, would get a grip on Beth and Jug and make them take a time-out and regroup.

[Skye]

Why should we believe that Joran left Natalee alone on the beach? We do not know that Natalee and Joran ever went to the beach. Joran would have stayed with the first lie about dropping her off in front of the HI if that had not been proven to be a lie. He has continued the "left her alone on the beach " story because it is a story made up that just involves Joran and no one else that can say otherwise.
There is no proof that Joran is telling the truth about the beach story. He said he called Deepak to pick him up. Deepak did not go pick him up. So how did he get home and what time? I do not believe the beach story.

[frank]

Posted by: Dan | Oct 8, 2005 11:25:35 PM

I'm assuming he understood the reference but who knows, as I said he was asked directly about the 3 and responded yes.

I'll try to get an actual transcipt but I tivo'd it and it's pretty manual.

[Antoinette]

Dan It is great I expect Beth and co will be sued.
Hope she will have some money left to pay the lawyers.

[dave]

Frank, a transcript was posted at SM if you want one. Should probably ask SMS for permission first, though.

[danie]

Evidence, Facts, Signed statements, DNA results...this information is not available to any of us; all is heresay, allbeit interesting, along with the theories and speculation...none of it is proof, regardless of the sources, and their perceived credibility. To the family, this is a devastating, frustrating tragedy that occurred outside the U.S., therefore subject to their laws; i cannot fathom the hell they are living...can't say i wouldn't do everything and anything imaginable to attempt to get to the truth of what happened to my loved one. Also, keep in mind, the "boys" could not have been detained with NO evidence....especially Joran for 3 months...if i'm wrong please correct me...if lying got them in jail and not speaking prolonged Joran's incarceration...what was so awful about the truth that would have made it worse? is that a logical presumption and question? In our system, he who lies in one thing, lies in all (jury can disregard ALL testimony of a witness who has lied)...whatever speculation, falsehoods, accusations arise out of lack of knowledge of the evidence and is further reported by the media or stated by the family, pales in comparison to the lies of the "boys" that prevented a search for Natalee in those first crucial hours...Dan,i think we can agree that is a FACT? The "boys" pointed to the guards, aware that Natalee was missing...they chose not to help in the search, they chose to fabricate an alibi....why? we don't know, we have no evidence...frustrating isn't it? as always,MHO only... danie

[Jody]

I can't excuse Beth for telling lies about these boys. She is on a witch hunt and doesn't care who gets hurt along the way. It is all about Beth now. She doesn't care about Natalee anymore, it is all about revenge. Revenge fueled by Deepak and Joran daring to go before the camera and microphone and tell the truth about how Natalee was acting that night. I am shocked that Fox or any of the other networks would dare go against Beth and air the segments where Natalee is basically called a slut and aggressive. Beth has been spinning her lies since the first day. The first lie was about the kidnapping and she has been telling them with abandon ever since.

I am glad you have finally saw the light Dan, keep digging. I for one want to see naughty Natalee on that bar getting her belly sucked, just as she was. I would love to see those same shots on Greta, but I know that will never happen.

[dave]

can't excuse Beth for telling lies about these boys. She is on a witch hunt and doesn't care who gets hurt along the way. It is all about Beth now. She doesn't care about Natalee anymore, it is all about revenge. Revenge fueled by Deepak and Joran daring to go before the camera and microphone and tell the truth about how Natalee was acting that night. I am shocked that Fox or any of the other networks would dare go against Beth and air the segments where Natalee is basically called a slut and aggressive. Beth has been spinning her lies since the first day. The first lie was about the kidnapping and she has been telling them with abandon ever since.

I am glad you have finally saw the light Dan, keep digging. I for one want to see naughty Natalee on that bar getting her belly sucked, just as she was. I would love to see those same shots on Greta, but I know that will never happen.

Posted by: Jody | Oct 9, 2005 12:06:07 AM

You might be more comfortable in early 19th century, where these sorts of attitudes were acceptable. The first lie in this case was told by several cowards who more than likely responsible for the disappearence of an innocent girl. I think they have probably deserved whatever damage is done to their reputations, because if they weren't responsible for her death directly, then they may very well have caused it by stonewalling this investigation. Luckily for the truth, the Aruban Law Enforcement is smart enough to know that these boys are the most likely culprits, and are persuing them aggressively.

[Bret]

Wow! Dan I applaud you!!

I haven't been here in a while because I thought that a lot of your posters had a one-sided view in this case, mostly the blame of FOX and Nancy Grace. I followed the news in this case closely from the day Natalee went missing.

I truly feel really bad for her family but the interviews on FOX, Nancy Grace and Geraldo made me sick! Even now that the suspect are free because there is no more evidence, media and also Beth are making some up.

Again, as a father of a 15 year old daughter I really do feel what she feels but I also can feel the feelings of Joran's mother and father. If I see the few interviews which reporters had with de vd Sloot family I have never, ever heard a bad word out of their mouth about Natalee or their family. And really, even NOT in Joran's interview! People get upset to hear him say: "I didn't even know Natalee Holloway", "she was asking me to go out", "she was asking me to dance" and "I took a belly shot from her" is just plain stupid! There is nothing wrong with Natalee asking him that! See is a teenager for gods sake, she just wanted to have fun on her last night. She could not know that something "bad" could happen that time.

But hearing Beth and other people who are interviewed on your national TV calling Joran and de Kalpoe bros, punks, urine, predators, rapist and so on, without there is any further evidence that they kidnapped or murdered Natalee is even more stupid.

By the way, did anybody see the interview with Greta (FOX) and the mother of Taylor, the girl who was missing and found dead? When Greta said to her: you must could just kill him (suspect) or something... Taylor's mother said: "if he is the murderer I could think like that". That suspect is not yet proven guilty, so that is a decent answer from a mother who child WAS missing and now is DEAD! And she probably feels as bad as Beth does.

But thank you Dan for giving another view in this case. This is really necessary to open ones mind and that is the mind of the one-sided people.

And last but not least, I am not saying Joran & The Kalpoes ar innocent, so IF Joran or the Kalpoe bros are quilty, they should be in jail for a long, long time.

Bret
The Netherlands

[dave]

Bret - Very good post, and I agree with you to a certain extent. However, i don't believe Beth has ever said Joran murdered her daughter, only that she feels he is involved. The ALE has said this as well, so I don't see why she shouldn't be able to. As for the family's statements about sexual assault, well both she and Dave claim to have seen statements which indicate that, so I can't really say they are lying unless it is proven these statements don't exist or are false.

Honestly, there doesn't appear to be another side to this whole story, unless you consider some kids possibly not being forthcoming about drinking as important as the investigation into the three boys. I don't see how any of what Dan just said could change anything about how one perceives the case.

[jolari]

Thank you for your post Dan. I agree that the media has been instrumental in having us believe some rumors as facts & IMO it has skewed many people's point of view.
There are many things that make me uncomfortable about the stories from all sides. The one thing I do know is that I am in no way qualified or knowledgable enough to judge anyone else's actions, inactions, or behaviors.
Dan please continue to give us these "reality checks." They are appreciated and your point of view is welcomed.

[Dan]

"The first lie in this case was told by several cowards who more than likely responsible for the disappearence of an innocent girl. I think they have probably deserved ... Enforcement is smart enough to know that these boys are the most likely culprits, and are persuing them aggressively."

Dave you need coffee, look at your statement - you call names "cowards" - for what? They "deserve" to be slandered and all you back that up with are a lot of "likelies, probablies, and may well haves," sorry that's pretty twisted and sad in its own right. And I wouldn't buy this "aggressively" crap, either - behind the scenes Aruban LE is saying the case is cold and going nowhere fast - hardly even being worked, so I hear. They're "probably" just playing the media game, too at this point.

[Texasnurse]

Thanks Dan!
This is an excellent post and I have stated much of this very same information for the last 3 months!

I too have been in direct contact with several of the Mountain Brook mom's and when I started asking the more difficult probing questions,they slammed the door in my face!

So long as I had keep on agreeing with them and the other parents that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers did everything and they are guilty of everything that that are accused of,then I had totally access and was a good ole boy investigator!

However, I can state that the parents from Mountain Brook denied me direct access to any of the kids and the parents answered all the questions instead of letting their kids answer the questions!

When the parents from Mountain Brook denied direct access to their kids and then started butting in and answering questions they really had no direct knowledge about, has also directly hindered this investigation right from the start.

Dan is very correct, ALL information from Mountain Brook has been very closely monitored and very closely controlled AT ALL LEVELS!

Beth Twitty did state one thing correctly..."When the whole truth does finally does come out it is going to shock the entire world" and I believe what is going to be so shocking is that whatever happened to Natalee was directly caused by and covered-up by several MB kids with the help of a chaperone or two!

There has to be some specific reason as to why Natalee did not want to return back to the hotel where her friends were and why she specifically wanted to stay on the beach till sunrise and why she specifically wanted Joran to stay with her on the beach all night!
To me this indicates that Natalee was really afraid of one or more people back at the hotel and that is why she wanted Joran to stay on the beach with her so she would be safe and maybe Joran would protect her!
And when Joran left her alone on the beach she finally went back to the hotel! One of Natalee's male classmates stated in an interview that he saw Natalee back in the hotel after she had been with Joran! If he is correct then what did happen to Natalee after she returned to the hotel? Did she leave the hotel again, did she attend one or more of the many private parties of her fellow classmates and then die from acute alcohol poisoning,die from a drug overdose or die from a alcohol/drug reaction or did she meet-up with whoever she was afraid of at the hotel and something happened to her??

We know as fact that most of the MB kids were drinking and getting drunk,using drugs and doing lots of sex and bed hopping!

[dave]

Dave you need coffee, look at your statement - you call names "cowards" - for what? They "deserve" to be slandered and all you back that up with are a lot of "likelies, probablies, and may well haves," sorry that's pretty twisted and sad in its own right. And I wouldn't buy this "aggressively" crap, either - behind the scenes Aruban LE is saying the case is cold and going nowhere fast - hardly even being worked, so I hear. They're "probably" just playing the media game, too at this point.

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I said they brought this stuff on themselves by telling the original lie. And that original lie was a cowardly thing to do; I don't care how anyone wants to spin it. And just because they aren't getting much info doesn't mean they aren't out their pursuing it.

[Canadian watching]

Natalee is missing, probably and sadly dead. Joran was the last person to see her alive and apparently they had a relationship of sorts....any other place on earth and the stats say he is the prime suspect...he probably did it. Beth is just tying to find justice. That is all she has left.

[kin]

The Arubian LE does want the Deepak tape but the Dr. Phil show is demanding the prosecutor come on to get it in person. I admit that does reek of RATINGS! but that's not BH's fault. She's not the one in control of the tape and getting this info out to the public in the meantime isn't hurting her cause at all.

I've heard BH say numerous times she knew the moment she heard her daughter didn't show up for the plane that something awful had happened to her. What else besides "KIDNAPPED" would she think knowing it was so out of character and then she used that same word to get a State Police escort back to her home and to get help once she landed in Aruba because the chaperones left behind got no cooperation from LE the 11 hours (?) it took for her to arrive. Nobody there thought it was a big deal because afterall this type of thing happens all the time in Aruba. But as we all know now NH isn't the kind of girl to take off with 3 strange men, she's never been seen alive since, they've done nothing but lie, and BH was right from the get go.

VDS claims he never met NH before that night and refused a dance with her in C&C but someone from MB goes on Fox to say he did. Which one do you believe? How can it be the one who's admitted to LYING how many times now?

The MB kids have kept quiet but I don't believe it's because they've been told to shut up. Some may follow the 'rules' but not all of them. Could it be because there's nothing to tell?

[frenchymom]

Texasnurse,
you said...."Beth Twitty did state one thing correctly..."When the whole truth does finally does come out it is going to shock the entire world" and I believe what is going to be so shocking is that whatever happened to Natalee was directly caused by and covered-up by several MB kids with the help of a chaperone or two!

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IMO, if Beth thought for a minute that the MB students caused or covered up what happened to her daughter then she would have turned her wrath on the judicial system in AL as well as Aruba. After all, she is a mother in search of her daughter, the truth and justice.

IMO if Beth thought for a minute that kids or chaperones from MB contributed or particip

[bmt]

I think they may have, as well. But that doesn't mean it is one of the three always in the news.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 8, 2005 11:25:35 PM

Dan, anymore about the guy Natalee had lunch or breakfast with?

[kin]

TB's mother has called Ben Fawley names and before Taylor was found she said she believed he was involved in her disappearance. At this point she has to be more careful what she says.

Taylor's mom has known all along that LE has been doing everything to find her daughter and that someday she would get justice for her! BH's never had that and probably never will so it's a joke to bother with any comparison.

[bizarre]

It has become increasingly clear tht poor ms.t has been used by the people on her side feeding her the information and the media. Noone seems to care about her at all because, if her step family cared about her they would make sure that every scintilla of information that emanates from her mouth is true and can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Especially since 99.44% of the world is now actively questioning not only her credibility but her mental stability as well. This is cruel to do to a grieving mother. The MSM has failed her by not questioning the bizarre things she has been saying. By not asking for the tape(s) to be authenticated, by not asking to see the signed declarations. Lastly, by not conducting a full and valid journalistic investigation. If the media conducted an investigation of their own, we would be closer to solving the case and finding her. Sadly, they do not view ms.t as a news story, they view her for her entertainment value alone. This poor woman does not realize that audiences are tuning in, not to support her, but to watch her have her very public nervous breakdown in front of millions. Ms.t has allowed herself to be put in this position using the misguided logic that this will somehow help to find her daughter. This is horrible to watch and the so called "journalists" invovled are oportunists of the worst kind. She cannot find her daughter, she should be treated with the utmost care and respect. All of the "journalists" should be actively investigating this case ala woodward and bernstein, trying to come up with an answer. Instead, the tide of public opinion is turning against her. She has become the victim of her own handlers and it is despicable, deplorable and unconcionable.

[Wayne]

TB's mother said she thinks the subhumans that murdered her daughter should die. Don't tell me she isn't P*ssed.

Texas Nurse you are one piece of work. If the MB kids had anything to do with Natalee's demise what did they do with the body? These are people that had limited knowledge of this tiny Island and you need to get real, there is no way they could have diposed of a body so thoroughly. I also saw your comments about Natalee's virtue. How do you know whether she was a virgin or not did you have sex with her? You don't know as much as her parents do about her your assumptions are totally baseless. The fact is the authorities in Aruba do not let information out, but I would be willing to bet the family has heard far more than any of us have.

[danie]

Dan - Of course your statements are "more reasonable and objective" than Beth's...she is the mother of a young woman who has vanished, and the last to see her did not aid in the search, further, they purposefully and in a premeditated manner mislead the authorities at a crucial time to the investigation.
Is Beth making "outlandish accusations"? You correctly stated she has no facts to base these on...NONE of us do. But sadly, that is the law in Aruba, where the crime occured, and it is what must be abided by. Luckily in our country we have free speech...after the frustation the family experience due to Aruban law(not a criticism)...their gloves are off. right or wrong, she can say whatever she wants, as can you and i and everyone else here.
In that context, any accusations or statements she makes are not as aggregious or detrimental as the statements made by the "boys" at a crucial time, when true details of Natalee's disappearance may have been discovered. These "boys' CHOSE to perpetrate falsehoods that intentionally mislead the investigation. Are Beth (and the family) playing fair? Irrelevant. The "suspects" may have avoided prosecution, but perhaps this aftermath is their justice. Just MHO....dani

[Betsy]

I can understand why JVDS and the Kalpoes were targeted because they were probably the last KNOWN people to be with Natalee that night. I also don't find it weird Joran would leave Natalee on the beach. Nope, I don't think that's far-fetched at all. Put yourself in the picture: You're Natalee and you've been drinking (a lot, possibly) and you've spent some time with this kid and the MOMENT has passed. He tells you he needs to go home and you aren't ready to give up on the last night of fun. He insists, so you just get tired of it (remember you've been drinking out the kazoo) so you just tell him to go if he wants to. You think you'll just sit there awhile and then walk back to the hotel. Perhaps your sense of distance is whacked, so you think it's 5 minutes walk away. You've been out there on the beach in the dark for awhile and have become acclimated to the dark and the area and don't feel particularly afraid - quite the opposite. Joran is kinda "over" the moment himself and needs/wants to go home, so he accepts your decision and walks back to his house. That doesn't sound like Joran is a creep or not a gentleman. It sounds like a teenager who might have been drinking too and isn't involved in a relationship with this young woman/tourist, so he goes home. I'm not defending him...just trying to show what may have happened.

It's clear to me ANYBODY could have accosted Natalee and heaven knows where she was taken, what happened to her after that, and who did it. I don't think it's fair to continue to blame those three young men just because there doesn't seem to be anyone else to accuse. How rediculous! If these guys did it, don't you think we'd have some evidence emerging by now?

betsy

[Jones]

I agree with Richard. Dan, all this stuff you're presenting here is worthless, but if you want to pursue this angle for the sake of it not having been covered, then go ahead, waste your time.

And while there's no direct evidence the three were involved in her disappearance, you should quit saying that there is no evidence. Circumstantial evidence is evidence not bearing directly on the fact in dispute but on various attendant circumstances from which the judge or jury might infer the occurrence of the fact in dispute. Forgetting any smear tactics, being the last ones seen with natalie alive, and misleading the initial investigation through lies is not something to ignore. It doesn't prove anything such as a murder, but it does allow you to pass judgement on the three, if you're into that sort of thing.

[GAmom]

Texas nurse, where do you get the information that Natalee didn't want to return to her hotel that night? From Joran, who has lied and lied? And I don't blame MB kids for not talking to you. Why would they want to talk to a nurse from Texas. Are you law enforcement?

[Donna]

Dan you have done some impressive reporting on this case with regards digging and coming up with contacts and credible sources. In my opinion I think the first two parts of your three part series are pretty spot on. One thing bothers me though mainly due to my sympathy for Natalee and the profound grief and loss that some members of her family will probably never get over. And that is if this "nice, quiet, non-aggressive and seemingly decent guy" would have made sure Natalee got back to her Hotel instead of leaving her intoxicated and alone on the beach at 3:30 in the morning she would be alive today. And that is a fact. Even if she would be dancing on top of the speaker at the Sig Ep frat party tonight at UofA

Posted by: jkatl | Oct 8, 2005 6:20:15 PM

Or if that supposedly, bright, honor student, Natalee, would of listened to her mother when her mother ADVISED her not to go anywhere without her group......and DIDN'T enter a vehicle, with a young man (men) she didnt know....and went with her friends when they TOLD her to get out of that car, she would be alive today and enjoying college life as we speak..and no one would of heard the name Natalee Halloway. IMO.

[GAmom]

Donna, I would imagine those might have been Natalee's last thoughts. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. Just because she did not folow her mother's instructions does not give someone the right to murder or kidnap her.

[Virginia]

There is only one big question on my mind - in every picture and video shown of NH she is always surrounded by many friends. Where were all of them when she needed them.

[Texasnurse]

Frenchymom

FYI: The justice system in Alabama has absolutely no jurisdiction in the case whatsoever! So Beth cant turn her wrath on it even if she wanted too!

FYI: Aruba has total complete jurisdiction in this case and in case if you have not been listening to the news for the last 4 months,Beth has turned her wrath on the Aruba LE and the Dutch LE and she is trying to get the weak brained and gullible people in the USA who will listen and follow her lead to turn their wrath on Aruba and boycott the innocent people of Aruba!

FYI: Beth is only been reacting to what what she has been told and what she believes has happened regardless if the information is true or not. So Beth really does not have any ideal if any of the MB kids are involved or not does does she??

Why is that the MB kids keep changing their stories and there are several different versions to each different story?? Why are they hiding and why??

[Donna]

Donna, I would imagine those might have been Natalee's last thoughts. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. Just because she did not folow her mother's instructions does not give someone the right to murder or kidnap her.

Posted by: GAmom | Oct 9, 2005 12:49:17 PM

Point out to me where EXACTLY I said that it did?
However, whether you agree with me or not. Natalee participated in RISKY behavior that night. Her choice WAS,to drink, dance, party hearty and THEN, to throw all caution to the wind, got in a vehicle with 3 young men she didn't know.. This is what started the ball rolling so to speak. Had she NOT made that last choice, she would be at U of A.......sometime CHOICES we make, are not GOOD choices..and what comes with those choices are sometimes lead to consequences...bad and good. Had Natalee left the club with the friends she came with..she would of been back at the hotel..and she would of boarded that plane the next day. Whatever or whoever harmed Natalee..THAT part is ALL on them.

[bama1991]

Posted by: bama1991 | Oct 8, 2005 9:58:10 PM

Mountain Brook isn't the sweet, innocent town it wants everyone to think it is.

So what? It has nothing to do with the murder of Natalee Holloway

Posted by: frank | Oct 8, 2005 10:00:13 PM

What it has to do with, Frank, is that the cover up DOES begin and end in MB. I find it very hard to believe that NONE of Natalee's friends has any pertinent information for law enforcement. It makes me wonder what all those kids were doing down there. Natalee's friends know something and I think they are not talking because they may tell more than they want told. That is shameful!

[Betsy]

bama1991, I couldn't agree more. Not only do those kids have more to say, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHAPERONES? Please, those adults surely know more, but we'll probably never know what it is. Too bad. Putting the real truth out there might aid in finding Natalee, but I guess they can't risk casting aspersions on MB and its residents!!!

betsy

[salksalk]

Can anyone do the following:

1. List any "story changes" by ANY students. Do not try and pass off different stories as story changes-we are not one single entity and therefore are not all in the same place at the same time and furthermore do not see the same things at the same time.
2. Tell us exactly WHY you think that they "know something else"? Or are hiding anything? Excuse me? From the amount of people that think the boys know nothing else, it's kind of funny to see us being accused of "knowing and not telling". Does it not occur to any of you that it was A NORMAL NIGHT at C&C's and her friends, therefore, didn't see anything disturbing?
3. Tell us why the general public should have the right to know all of the stories from all of the students? They have given statements to the FBI-every one of them. EVen those who were NOT at C&C's that night. WITH NO PARENTS PRESENT.
4. WHy it is necessary to persecute us when we have, in fact, done nothing wrong here.

[redpetals12]

That might be a little difficult considering he would have had Beth in his face and several television cameras in tow, don't you think? Not to mention he was in jail for most of the time until the clock ran out as there was no evidence to support it.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 8, 2005 6:29:08 PM

crusade for Joran all you want, his behavior doesn't add up

[Debbie]

Dan,

Since you appear to be "digging better than most for the real answers"...What did you find out for the following?

Can you clarify?....Early in the investigation...It was said that Natalee had made a call with her cell phone the night she disappeared...Then another time it was said that Natalee's cell phone was found at the motel room with her wallet, passport and etc.

Can you clarify...It was said there was a guy riding around in the wee hours of the morning...because he couldn't sleep...Was this the same guy who saw blonde hair hanging out of something that was rolled up and saw them at the dump with a body?...If so...Was this the same guy who led everyone to look in the dump?

This is a theory...What if...This same guy riding around in the wee hours of the morning decided to follow Joran to the beach with Natalee...and this same guy lurked around to be nosey...And if Joran did leave by himself...And this guy did something with Natalee...Since he knew so many details...Maybe he took advantage of the media too...He could have very easily put the blame on Joran and the Kalpoe brothers since they were already under suspicion...

Just wondering, Debbie

[Texasnurse]

Wayne

Are you trying to tell me that the MB kids and the chaperones are so stupid and ignorant that they cant even find their butt's with both hands??

Just how much skill,wisdom and knowledge does it really take to find a deserted area and dig a hole a few feet deep in soft loose sand with their hands and drop a body into the hole and recover the hole with the loose sand??
It mite take one of two persons about 10 to 20 minutes ( if the took their time) at the most to dig a hole and drop a body into the hole and cover the hole back up!

Are the MB kids and the chaperones so stupid and ignorant that they cant even dig a simple hole with their hands in soft loose sand?? Do the MB kids and the chaperones have any sense common or other wise??

It does not take much knowledge to simply look at an area to tell if it is occupied or deserted or not; and lets not forget that the MB kids and chaperones spent a week in Aruba and I am certain that most of them did do some type of sight seeing and looking around the island!

But you are indicating that the MB kids and their chaperones are so stupid and ignorant that they stayed hanging around their hotel and did not go any where else on the island the entire time they were in Arub so they would not get lost?? DUH!!!

My post up above did not state anything about Natalee's virtue!
But since you brought up the subject of her virtue, the parents are the very last one's in the world who know the actual status of their daughter's virginity: the females doctor would know if she were a virgin or not if she ever had to have a vaginal exam of any type, one or two of her very close friends would know and any boyfriends would know if she was a virgin or not!!
Beth stated that she knew for a fact that Natalee was a virgin before she went to Aruba!!
Several of Natalee's friends have stated other wise!! I believe Natalee's friends over Beth any day!!

If you want to look at the geographical statistics for sexually active high school females in Alabama it is 70.4 percent! This means that 7 out of every 10 females are sexually active!

Now, coupled with the last known activities of Natalee and the way she was reportedly acting by her own friends 4 months ago; During Jorans interview a few weeks ago,he confirmed much of the very same information that Natalee's friends had told in their interviews 4 months ago.

Every one keeps stating that Joran is a lier, so if Joran is a lier, then Natalees friends must also ALL be liers, cause Joran and Natalee's friends storied ALL MATCH EACH OTHER!!
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it!!

I am sure that the family has heard more information and Beth's main source of wrong highly inaccurate information was and continues to be from Jossy Mansur and not the Aruba LE that she has infuriated so badly that they wont even talk to her at all! Any and everything that the Arubain LE told Beth in confidence that was to remain secret for possible trial use,the first thing Beth did was run to the nearest TV camera and flap her trap and tell the world everything which rendered the information completely useless for trial use!!

Not one piece of the so called evidence in Beths possession has ever been Notarized and Certified as being Authentic Aruba police documents that were allegedly statements made by Joran and the Kalpoe brothers!!

[Texasnurse]

GAmom

FYI: Most of the information that the MB kids stated in their interviews 4 months ago was confirmed by Joran during his interview a few weeks ago!!
Since the MB kids stories DIRECTLY MATCH Jorans story,then they must all be highly accurate and highly crediable!

If the statements that Joran made during his interview are all lies as you claim they are even though they directly matched the statements from the MB kids; then the MB kids must all be liers also and we have to discredit and discount all or their statements as well, even though their statements directly matched Joran's statements!!

FYI: I am obtaining an advanced degree in nursing as a certified registered nurse anesthetist and I have several college classes with several MB students from Mountain Brook who was on the Aruba trip! I also chat with several more in several popular chatrooms!!
Would you be interested to learn that I live right here in bham,alabama and attend the same college as Natalee was supposed to attend and several of Natalee's close friends are my classmates. If Natalee were not missing I would be having several classes with her as well!
Now that the MB kids are away from their parents and the Twitty controllers,they are starting to open up and tell a little bit more of what actually did happen on the Aruba!!

And what concern is it of yours what my interest is in this case??

Would you feel a whole better if I changed my screen name from Texasnurse (which is my home state) to Bamanurse which is where I currently live,work and attend college!!
Why dont you come by the emergency department sometime and ask for Texasnurse and I will be happy to give you a Texas sized 4 liter enema to clean your brain out so you can think clearly!!

What is your interest in this case??
Oh,I already know what your interest is in this case....you are the type who likes to ridicule and trys to discredit and insult any and everyone who does not agree with the preconcieved notions that Joran and the Kalpoes brothers drugged,raped and murdered and disposed of Natalee's body so no one could find it!!
You are like the rest of the weak brained highly gullible and easily presuaded people!

You have evidently never even considered any other possible alternative as to what may have happened to Natalee except the horse dump that Beth has tried to force down everyone throat!
Even the kids from Mountain Brook are laughing at her behind her back and are shaking their heads in disbelief at her statements!!

[bizarre]

since you did not go on the trip...you have nothing to say.

and, while i am at it...noone of your age groups says things "make them blush" this has been substantiated by my class of kids 18 -21 who laughed at that remark and said you are not a teen. they think you are 40 - 60.
and, if you are a teen, they say you are not in any way "popular" in any school in this country.

your task is to prevent anyone from questioning mb...

[Shell]

Awesome and spectacular work Dan. You are one of the few who are willing to explore the truth. I trust your wisdom and research more than MSM, and far beyond the hysteria that drives some message boards.

Thank you, once again, for being here, and having a reasonable objective: THE TRUTH.

[Debbie]

Hi Texasnurse,

OK...So you are "a good ole boy investigator"...I'm quoting your own words...

I'm a girl that loves investigating too...And I am curious about the following things that you have mentioned in your 4 posts...

For the record...I am not discounting anything that you have said...I just want to know more information about what you have said...

Quoting your words... "Just how much skill, wisdom and knowledge does it really take to find a deserted area and dig a hole....
How would they have driven to any place on the Island without a vehicle...All that we have been told is that they use taxi cabs on the Islands...wouldn't that person who drove them somewhere be wanting to tell?...

I agree that there is no way that Beth would have known one way or the other that Natalee was a virgin...only Natalee would know that...and yes girls do tell their girlfriends lies sometimes about having sex because so many people brag about doing it...sometimes it is easier to say...I have had sex too...than to be ridiculed by your friends who are sexually active...So I don't necessarily believe Natalee's friends either...

I would like to know what you meant by..."I believe what is going to be so shocking is that whatever happened to Natalee was directly caused by and covered-up by several MB kids with the help of a chaperone or two!"...For you to have psted such a strong statement...you must have heard something...

Can you comment some more about..."Now that the MB kids are away from their parents and the Twitty controllers, they are starting to open up and tell a little bit more of what actually did happen on Aruba!"...What about the chaperones...They were adults...Why haven't they talked?...No one was stopping them...

And on your post...Even the kids from MB are laughing at Beth behind her back...Are perhaps this limited to just a few of the kids...and possibly the ones who are jealous of Natalee...

Jealousy can eat a person alive...and I wouldn't doubt seeing how pretty Natalee is in all of her pictures...and from a rather wealthy family...that some kids would be jealous and envious of her...

Theoretically speaking...Could there have been a jealous girl on the trip...that might have been harboring internal jealousy toward Natalee for quite some time...And couldn't wait to cause her some harm...better to do it in Aruba than the United States?

[deb]

Texasnurse:

Do you live in B'ham and attend UAB or do you live in Tuscaloosa and attend the Univ. of Alabama?

[Texasnurse]

I live in B'ham and attend UAB and they also have an excellent schools of Dentistry,Medicine,Optometry as well as Nursing and many other fine programs as well!
I have not made a firm decision as to pursue a final career field selection as a CRNA or apply for admission to the UAB medical school and graduate as an Medical Doctor!

[pkt]

Dan,

You wrote... "Not long after a few individuals from Mountain Brook began talking candidly and openly about the trip, it was decided by someone that a candid picture was not what should be conveyed."

In reality, you are indeed suggesting something "sinister" is going on in Mountain Brook without really presenting sufficent evidence.

Moreover, did you ever consider that a "candid pioture" of what occurred in Carlos 'n' Charlies may have not been possible from any of the MB students because all of them were inebriated by that time? Also...could the FBI been involved in directing the MB teens on what they should or should not say, as it might jeopardize the case? Lastly, I think it is reasonable for people to be reluctant to admit that they were party their asses off on national television.

Dan... you also said..."As far as anyone I've spoken with can tell, there is no real evidence to suggest anything other than perhaps two young, behaviorally dumb, because they were both drunk, teenagers went to a beach one night of their own accord and after one left, the other disappeared."

You are also wrong here. There is a plethora of evidence that points Joran and the Kalpoe brothers being guilty of at least obstruction and probably rape.

[Texasnurse]

Hi Debbie

As far as how they would move a body around...You know they do have car rental places in Aruba and we do not know if any of the students or chaperones had rented a vehicle of any type at any time while they were in Aruba.

I would have to agree with you somewhat about females lying to each other about having sex.
However, alot of females are sexually active and they state that they are still a virgin and they sure dont want their parents to find out that they are sexually active either and they will lie like a cat to protect their dirty little secrets; and on the flip side of the coin, there are females who are virgins who state that they are sexually active.

I can state from personal experiences with a very hi degree of certainty that the females who retains their virginity through high school usually surrenders their virginity during their first semester at collage and the other prime time for females to surrender their virginity is while they are on spring break!!!

Yes I have heard a few things directly from several MB kids in several different chatrooms and I have not been able to fully understand their cryptic codes yet and their meanings.
Some of the MB kids want to talk but as they have stated they will talk only when things chill down a whole lot more!

As far as the chaperones are concerned,if I am not mistaken, several of them have been invited to be on National TV for an interview and they refused! You would have to ask them why they are refusing to be interviewed on National TV and why they are continuing to remain silent!

ok...I did not imply that all or even most of the kids from MB are laughing behind Beth's back,what I was stating was that.... some of the kids from MB are laughing at Beth and her outrageous statements behind her back; one of them stated to the other...that stupid f**king big hootie gold digging b**ch is trying to destroy F**king Aruba cause of her stipid A$$ daughters F**king binge drinking and drugging she was doing down there caught up with her F**king A$$!
These two did not give the impression that they were jealous of Natalee! Whizzed off and totally disgusted yes....jealous I highly doubt it!

My next statement is not to be taken as a finger poke in Natalee's eye or her familys eye;
But, from a males perspective,Natalee was cute and attractive in her own right, however most of the other females that I have seen in photos that also included Natalee are far more attractive than Natalee is/was! When Natalee is compaired to alot if not most of her other female classmates,Nataleee would not rate a second look!
However,let me clearly state I dont judge a female solely on her physical looks and her physical attributes, I look more at her heart,her attitude,if she is friendly,fun to be with and fun to be around etc and I will pick this type of female over the far more attractive females with their sorry spoiled me first attitude. I have never met Natalee in person so I dont have any ideal what type of person she really was except what I have been told, but I dont and will not tolerate binge drinkers and druggies! If Natalee would have gotten rid of the alcohol and drugs, I would not hesitate to date her in a heartbeat! And as far as medicine is concerned we would have alot in common and we would be fairly well academically compatible in class!

I dont think Natalee was from a wealthy family. Jug and Beth's mite rate middle to upper middle class. I have drove past their house and they sure aint wealthy by a long shot!
As far as someone being jealous of Natalee cause she came from a wealthy family, I highly doubt it! There are people from Mountain Brook who are truely wealthy but this does not include Jug and Beth Twitty! They may very well now be truely wealthy since they have recieved all the millions of dollars in donations from people all over the USA!

There could very well be a jealous girl on the trip who had been harboring internal jealously toward Natalee for a long time, even before the trip to Aruba and could not wait to cause her harm in Aruba and not the USA as you stated in your post. I would accept your theory and it is simular to one of my theories!

Lets take this type of theory a little deeper and lets add a few different scenarios to the mix.
What if a one of Natalee's female classmates was having a spat and broke up with her boyfried for whatever reason and he had the hots for Natalee and they had sex and the female found out about it and in drunken/drugged jealous rage she and several of her friends caught up with Natalee after she returned to the hotel and caused her harm. I have seen the end results of many simular cases like this in the emergency department with both females and males and the fights can very easily turn deadly!
Far too many people simply understimate what these sweet little daring teenagers are highly capable of doing to theirself and to each other and this includes both femaleds and males!!

What if Natally had a secret boyfriend and they had a spat or broke up or he had the hots for another female classmate and he had sex with her and Natalee found out about it and Natalee decided to go out with Joran to get even with the boyfriend and in a drunken/drugged rage he and a few friends of his caught up with Natalee at the hotel and in his drunken/drugged jealous rage he cause Natalee harm after they all gang raped her!

What if Natalee and several of her friends had already been having a discussion( girl talk) about Joran while they were drinking eariler that day in the casino, and Joran shows up at the casino to play poker and they spot him and Natalee being in a slighly alcohol induced playful euphoric state of mind ran over to Joran and invited him to be with her that night and this action totally infuriated her friends and Natalee did not realize what she had done to her friends unless they exchanged verbal insults with each other and split up. And as the night worn on the alcohol/drugs fuled the jealous rage of her friends and after Natalee returned to the hotel after being with Joran the drunken/drugged jealous friends caught up with her and they caused Natalee harm!

Maybe Natalee's step-cousins the Twitty Twins who was also on the Aruba trip may have been having sex with her and she threatened to expose them which would ruin their college football scholarships and land them in jail and their family would disown them and they harmed her to keep her silent!

Maybe Natale and one of the male chaperones/teachers were having an affair and she wanted to stop the relationship and she threatened to expose the relationship and he caused her harm to keep the relationship from being discovered. I did see one photo of a male chaperone with a student and the male chaperone did not look to be much older than the student and the female student appeared in the photo to be far too friendly with the male chaperone!

Every time we turn around on the news we see and hear of teachers or coaches having a sexual relationship with their students. I am not saying that any of the male chaperones/teachers are or were having a sexual relationship with one or more female students on the Aruba trip; but the possibility does exsist and this very much needs to be investigated!

I fully realize that some of my theories sound preposterous; however,some of the information that is contained in my theories is from confidential sources, but time will tell if the information is true or not.

[DanSucks]

Dan,

You are complete tool! You need to go over to a LEGITIMATE blog like Scared Monkeys and actually read legitimate news and FACTS about the case. The spew you post is bunk and lacks any credible sources. It's funny you forget to mention that Joran said himself he did not know Natalee until that night at C&C's, yet you provide an interview from O'Reilly from someone other than Joran that states otherwise? Hmmm. I wonder where your agenda lies?

Also, the Deputy Comissioner Dompig was on last night and confirmed that the main Van der Sloot residence was NOT searched, yet you do not comment on that and you have defended scubajap's assertion that the Aruban LE did search it. They DID NOT! They were not granted the request by a judge on several occassions and said that request is still on their wish list.

You really need to stop making yourself look so callous and basically non human by your attempt at sensationalized journalism along the lines of A Current Affair at the expense of the Holloway family.

Reading your drivel is almost like watching a trainwreck. On one hand you state something along the lines that you don't mean any harm or are not accusing this or that person but then you throw outlandish and non factual information about people in the Mountain Brook area, Natalee and Beth Holloway. I hope you are able to look yourself in the mirror when you wake up each day. Do you see two faces?

[lee]

YES....by all means, Dan...you cleared the whole thing up....

Natalee is just gone, and those nice boys should just be left alone....\

why ...its the common practice here in America to trash the victim especially these slutty girls with college scholarships, and protect the innocent, sweet face boyscouts that had the unfortunate luck to run into the likes of her...

if we could only find out where Natalee hid herself.....I mean, how inconsiderate of her to just dissappear all by herself....how rude....so American, hey Dan?

and Dan, thanks so much for pointing out the evil media whores, unlike yourself, because we all know you just want the TRUTH and the media is just after blog numbers, I mean, I mean, the telivsion numbers....

all you say makes perfect, perfect sense, because we all know that the police go after the white rich boys first to hang things on, without evidence, and that little jail stay by two innocents was just a miscalculation on the part of the sweet boys.....so sorry about that.....

Dan, sadly, you have said NOTHING in your series...nothing new...you simply pull from "sources" mostly anonymous or unnamed...and that is truth enough for you to speculate about some big cover-up and framing of those innocent "boys"...

where's the body Dan?....where's the body?

[dan the man who understands! NOT!]

Natalee Holloway Editorial
Note: Part two of this series is being worked on and should be up tomorrow or Monday at the latest. I've also begun researching part three, which is likely the most significant