Natalee Holloway Update

For now, I'm going to rely on Hyscience for tonight's update, but I do have some comments to add.

It seems there has been some discussion as regards Natalee's health and any potential medications she may have been taking. While I understand their relevance from the aspect of perhaps establishing a cause of death - that isn't something anyone can hope to establish from a forensics perspective without a body. I find the discussion unnecessary and irrelevant, as it is doomed to nothing more than speculation.

As I have said many times, there is no real evidence to convict, or really even accuse any of the boys at this time. That does not, however, mean that we know the truth of the matter from them. I'm certainly not convinced we do.

Perhaps if we were to see all of the transcripts of several interrogations - we could make that determination, but that isn't going to happen either. And any transcripts which are, or have been in the news, have not been established as valid by any means.

If one accepts Joran's position that she was left alone on the beach in basically fine health - there is no reason to speculate about what medicines she took, as there is no reason to suppose something altered chemically in her body from the time Joran allegedly left her, before she could reach her hotel - a relatively short walk away.

Comments

[spudnik]

what in the world are you talking about...you still mad because SM got the best of you...the reward is 250,000...anyone claim it?...no..wonder why?...think about it Dan...

[frenchymom]

Thank you Dan for speaking with reason. You are correct, what medications she took or didn't take are irrelevant to anything. Not only that, it is her personal business, not something the public should be aware of.

Just because someone goes missing or becomes a focus of the media does not give the public the right to know every detail of their life. Thanks again,

[Shonane]

Here's another national enquirer article, about the blood in Deepak's car (the stuff that turned out to be cleaning fluid) and a claim that all three boys went with Natalee to Joran's apt, saw her naked....... I wonder where they get this stuff?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63329

[!]

Thanks for the update. Anything that has been discussed lately has no meaning and no revelance whatsoever about what happened to Natalee and no solution. People instead now have started making up lies and bashing and trashing her mother Beth and even worse blaming it on Beth and Natalee. This sort of discussion is absolutley disgusting. People who spew the garbage on a daily basis are the ones that have to live with their actions !!!!!
Maybe in time something will break in the case. Until it does then its back to square one.
The Aruban police dept. screwed the whole thing up frrm the start. Most agree on that. So, what are you gonna do ? There is not much that can be done unless of course, Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, and Steve Croes the ~dis jockey~ tell the truth about what really happened.
Its a very sad and puzzling case when the truth all it would take to solve it. And..the truth has not been told !! Thats a fact !!
There is only one truth ! People with nothing to hide, hide nothing !

[Shonane]

Hyscience copies and references a site where some speculated that Natalee had some sort of disability because of where she worked. The people at that site speculated about some serious disabilities like autism or bipolar.I consider this unlikely based on what we think we know about her.

Obviously those folks at the discussion site have never been around someone that is autistic - for what we know of Natalee she definitely was not autistic. And, she most likely was not being treated for bipolar disorder either since nothing about her past would suggest that she coped with extreme mood swings. If she did have something that she was being treated for it most likely was ADHD, something plenty of extremely intelligent high achievers are diagnosed as having. And meds for this would not make her go in and out of consciousness, because they are stimulants.

The only relevance of meds is if the interaction with alcohol was counter indicated. If this were true, I don't think her parents would have given her permission to drink while in Aruba. Thus, Dan is right. This discussion about her meds is most likely a bunch of rumbling about nothing critical to the case.

I think Natalee may have taken something other than Alcohol the night she disappeared, since on day one Joran was said to have mentioned that she was taking some type of drug. She probably told him she had. The MBHS youth will know, because if she did, then some of them most likely were taking it also. The biggest candidate would be Ecstasy, because it is a stimulant and youth like to party on it. It would not cause her to go in and out of consciousness, but alcohol might. A combination of Ecstasy and alcohol, or even alcohol alone, can be lethal.

[Jody]

I find the discussion unnecessary and irrelevant, as it is doomed to nothing more than speculation.

So are most of the things that Beth Twitty says every night.

[newswatcher]

I never speculated that Natalee was autistic and I was NEVER under the impression that she was. Harry Tho misconstrued what I said. And yes, I am quite familiar with both bipolar disorder and ADHD. My daughter has ADHD. I should mention that I do too, as does my husband, who also has some very severe learning disabilities. My husband has two college degrees, by the way, that he struggled to get. I also have a bi-polar brother in law. When I was in college I volunteered at a wonderful school that had lots of autistic kids, and kids with all kinds of learning disabilities, so I am quite familiar with those problems. My best friend is also extremely dyslexic and I help her with computer stuff when she gets stuck. I am the last person in the world that would ever put someone down for having a learning disability or a psychiatric condition.

In fact, I strongly disagreed with another poster's assertion that Natalee's considerable achievements would not be as meaningful because of a disability. As a mother of a child with a learning disability, I am aware of how somebody that is ignorant of them (or other mental or emotional disabilities) can think that if a child has an IEP or a 504 plan in place, which may or may not allow for extra time or help, that these kids' achievements are not as meaningful. As a parent with a disability of my own and a child with one, I would NEVER think that. I do believe that some people are stuck in rather medieval attitudes about "problems of the mind" and I crusade in any way I can to debunk those attitudes. Until someone has walked in the shoes of somebody that may be "wired a little differently," as I like to call my own condition, they should never assume that achievements aren't meaningful. I have had my own struggle, helped with my daughter's, and see my husband struggle on a daily basis with the things normal people can take for granted. It can be a tough road, but there are many people who have these disabilities that are outstanding achievers.

I did not know that Dan did not want us to post about medication and I apologize for doing that. I have posted about it several times because any psychotropic can be deadly when combined with alcohol, and nobody had said anything to me concerning that. I was not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but we have been using the forum to search for clues as to what could have happened, and I felt that her work in the market might be relevant. In fact, I have been one of the people compiling a list of questions on the questions thread and I stated I would take any and all questions, no matter how far out I might feel they are. But if this is an issue, I can remove the question about medication.

[BamaRN]

Thanks Dan.

I am of the opinion from a medical standpoint that ANY possible medications that Natalee MAY HAVE been taking could very well have played a vital role (especially when mixed with alcohol or street drugs) in the possible cause of her death. If she is in fact dead??

In order to determine what IF ANY medications Natalee was taking, Beth would have to release her medical records and I am 100 percent certain that she will not do this...especially if Natalee was being treated fot depression and she was taking Anti-Depressant medications for the condition. Depression and the treatment of depression with anti-depressant medication is very common in teens of all ages, especially females. Actually, treatment of depression is very common in people of ALL AGES and depression is far more common in females than it is in males.

Sadly, one of the major side effects of anti-depression medications is they can cause the person being treated to commit suicide.

Most all medications and alcohol do cause chemical,nutrient and electrolyte imbalances in the body.

When medications including OTC medications and alcohol are mixed together, there is a great potential for fatal results and if street drugs are added to the medication and/or alcohol mix,the potential for fatal results are greatly increased.

There has been discussion on this blog and other forums that Natalee had or seemed to have had an unexplained weight gain. Anti-depressant medications,birth control pills,pregnancy, metabolic disorders can cause weight gain.
Hypothyroidism is a very common metabolic disorder in females.

I AM NOT stating as fact that Natalee was depressed and taking anti-depressant medications,however,it is my impression that she was clearly exhibiting some of the more common symptoms of depression and MITE HAVE been taking medications for it.

I AM also not stating as fact that Natalee was taking birth control pills or that she was pregnant but the possibility does exist.

All of the above possibilities need to be fully investigated to either confirm or to rule them out.

IF Natalee was depressed regardless if she was being medically treated for the condition or not,does have great relevance to this case and may very well explain at least in part what may have happened to her.

[Dreamquestrob]

an's Holloway update for today:

"For now, I'm going to rely on Hyscience for tonight's update, but I do have some comments to add.

It seems there has been some discussion as regards Natalee's health and any potential medications she may have been taking. While I understand their relevance from the aspect of perhaps establishing a cause of death - that isn't something anyone can hope to establish from a forensics perspective without a body. I find the discussion unnecessary and irrelevant, as it is doomed to nothing more than speculation."

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Oh good grief, I read the Hyscience article. Shocking.

If you worked at a prison does that mean you were a prisoner? I am very familiar with institutions (both private and public) that assist workers who have disabilities. Just becuase Natalie worked there does not mean she had a disability. Chances are she was in some form of support staffing position. Many of these "workshops" hire many "helpers" to assist them and prefer to hire students whre possible because the wages are low and it helps the kids establish an actual work experience record. To me Natalee's choice of working in such a facility adds mountains to her personal character image.

This is one of the few things that have been said about her that makes me want to throw my coffee cup at the wall in disgust.

And, beleive this too -- If by chance Natalee was on any life-needed prescription the family would have made sure the MSM got that message out because there has always been hope that she is still alive!!!

Posted by: Dreamquestrob | Oct 30, 2005 9:29:16 PM

[jrb]

Posted by: jrb | Oct 30, 2005 11:03:48 PM

You do realize I was joking about the midwest..
Henry Dreyfus is the one..

I find it all sad, everyone the world over believes the hype, and the stereotype.. US included... I try to treat a person as they treat me, regardless who or what or where they come from...
Are Americans conceited? Yes i believe all cultures are, each one thinks they are the best or the most evolved etc.. Human nature..

I agree with you, I do believe that there are some people who are jealous of our lifestyle.. And jealous does not have to have the evil overtone it may apply, Hey I am jealous of my best friend, shes a size 2, but that does not mean its an evil jealousy..

Posted by: ProudAmerican | Oct 30, 2005 11:10:09 PM

;-) Well, I was hoping so. The chemist...I'll do my homework...

Yes, I agree...human nature. I meant to mention earlier that in my travels to Holland (20 or so weeks between 1994-2001 - no, not alot), I was struck at first that the people I met spoke 'British'. This was in Enschede, in the east, very near the German border. By 97-98 there was some little tift with people affecting an 'American' accent. This was a Dutch debate. There was also, as I now recall, a debate in the national legislature itself to on whether to make English the language of instruction in the public schools. Again, no Americans or for that matter British were involved in this. Thank goodness that they decided to continue teach their children in Dutch.

My point though is that this love-hate relationship with America vis-a-vis the Dutch is very real. How Joran and his father not to mention the Kalpoes felt about this and, more specifically, how they felt about Aruba being beholden to American tourist dollars may very well be relevant.

jack

P.s. glad you said 'she' couldn't imagine being jealous of a size two...;-)

[Lin]

I don't see how a complete investigation could ever have been done when the entire group from Alabama (all of which were witnesses) flew away from Aruba without saying a word to the Aruban authorities.

Not one person, including Natalee's friends, her ex-boyfriend, her 2 step brothers stayed behind to help find out why she missed the plane. One of the posters mentioned that people that have nothing to hide then hide nothing.

Well the Alabama group needs to be looked at because every person in that group got away from the island as fast as they could and never looked back.

Natalee was left by Joran (if his story is true) on the beach fairly close to her hotel. Anyone from her group could have encountered her on the beach or when she got back to the hotel and done her harm.

[bizarre]

Every day there is a new twist or turn in this story.

The parents go on national television and discuss her most intimate details but yet, when people on these blogs have legitimate questions, questions that could conceivably spark an idea in the mind of someone who can really impact the investigation, the questions remain largely unanswered.

Adding to this debacle is the fact that all of the blogg owners have legitimate worries that both the angry young woman's family or the angry suspects' families, not to mention the periferal players who have been discussed, will someday hire a serious bunch of angry IP attorneys and sue all the blogs, their owners and participants alike.

Some have called attention to reactions. Reactions, which, on the surface appear unusual and not the norm. When a person is supposed to be angry they are not angry. When they are supposed to acquiese to the wishes of law enforcement, because that is the right thing to do, the reaction is anger and not complete cooperation. When they have a tape which is supposed to nail the suspects, what do they do? Why they sit on it of course. They don't go running to the proper authorities while they are still in jail. No, they wait for their national television appearance on the Dr. Phil program. That fact, in and of itself, does not sit right with almost anyone who hears it.

If the law enforcement has to interview the mb kids again, why not let them? What harm could come from this?
Maybe someone will have something to say that they didn't say before or didn't recollect before, some small detail that will make the difference between finding the young woman and not finding her.

So what if the Aruban authorities are asking about the money in all the trust funds. The family hasn't done anything wrong. What difference does it make to disclose this information to these authorittes? Noone is asking them to disclose the information on national televison. They simply give the information to the authorities and the matter is over and done with. Then, it is no longer an issue to cloud an already cloudy situation.

The family of the young woman should not get angry now. They should cooperate fully with the aruban authorities so that ultimately they will be left with no more questions for them and the mb kids and plenty of questions for the suspects. Why doesn't anyone see this?

Why for the sake of finding out where the young woman is wouldn't everyone concerned be willing to do almost anything to find her and bring her home?

No proof exists to definitively state that the young woman is not alive. Unless her family knows something that we are not privy to, then we can assume that she is alive and it is incumbent on everyone involved to find her. To systematically track down the truth and find her..period...that's it...that's the bottom line. All this other stuff is minutia and nonsense that is derailing everyone from the most important issue...Let's find this young woman and bring her home!

[cj1132]

The only thing that could be relevant from the medical standpoint is that if she was taking something like Adderall for ADD or Paxil for depression, she would most likely know the side effects of missing her medication which can be horrendous. If all pills were accounted for in her bottle, it would probably me an indicator that she did not intentionally disappear. If I intended to disappear, I'd be sure I had some of pills with me. The bottle would be too bulky for a pocket but individual pills could fit easily into a pocket.

[FloridaPatty]

I never speculated that Natalee was autistic and I was NEVER under the impression that she was. Harry Tho misconstrued what I said. And yes, I am quite familiar with both bipolar disorder and ADHD. My daughter has ADHD. I should mention that I do too, as does my husband, who also has some very severe learning disabilities. My husband has two college degrees, by the way, that he struggled to get. I also have a bi-polar brother in law. When I was in college I volunteered at a wonderful school that had lots of autistic kids, and kids with all kinds of learning disabilities, so I am quite familiar with those problems. My best friend is also extremely dyslexic and I help her with computer stuff when she gets stuck. I am the last person in the world that would ever put someone down for having a learning disability or a psychiatric condition.

In fact, I strongly disagreed with another poster's assertion that Natalee's considerable achievements would not be as meaningful because of a disability. As a mother of a child with a learning disability, I am aware of how somebody that is ignorant of them (or other mental or emotional disabilities) can think that if a child has an IEP or a 504 plan in place, which may or may not allow for extra time or help, that these kids' achievements are not as meaningful. As a parent with a disability of my own and a child with one, I would NEVER think that. I do believe that some people are stuck in rather medieval attitudes about "problems of the mind" and I crusade in any way I can to debunk those attitudes. Until someone has walked in the shoes of somebody that may be "wired a little differently," as I like to call my own condition, they should never assume that achievements aren't meaningful. I have had my own struggle, helped with my daughter's, and see my husband struggle on a daily basis with the things normal people can take for granted. It can be a tough road, but there are many people who have these disabilities that are outstanding achievers.
.......................................

Woo Hoo. Get it going. Wish there were more parents like you.

[berry]

The only potentially "life threatening" substance we know about for sure, was alcohol.

[berry]

I'd also like the Twittys or Natalee's friends to be honest about Natalee's history with alcohol. If she was also a virgin drinker, there is always a possibility she over drank and had a medical crisis, like alcohol poisoning, or a reaction to meds she took for possibly asthma.

However, if she was somewhat a party type girl back home and was using alcohol, I wouldn't be as worried as to the effects of drinking that night.

[hardyandtiny]

uh huh

[blues]

>>If one accepts Joran's position that she was left alone on the beach in basically fine health - there is no reason to speculate about what medicines she took, as there is no reason to suppose something altered chemically in her body from the time Joran allegedly left her, before she could reach her hotel - a relatively short walk away.

I don't believe anything Joran or the Kalpoe brothers say - let alone the idea that Joran is a reliable judge of anyone's medical condition.

[berry]

I read something else recently that confused me - why did BT have, as her primary goal, to give local cops a tutorial on her child's personal merits?

I'm not quite sure why BT said that she wanted cops to know right off the bat, what a well-focused, smart, responsible daughter she had.

Was there some realistic concern cops would not look for someone who was not an A student?

[bi]

Posted by: berry | Oct 31, 2005 9:19:38 AM

wondered about that too. posters say it was to dispell any "runaway" ideas. in context, a worried mother, trying to jumpstart the police into action, seems logical

[bi]

Posted by: berry | Oct 31, 2005 9:19:38 AM

wondered about that too. posters say it was to dispell any "runaway" ideas. in context, a worried mother, trying to jumpstart the police into action, seems logical

[betsy]

So, in order to get the police to investigate a disappearance of a young woman, the parents have to perhaps tell some fibs about the person to get the police MORE INTERESTED in pursuing the case? IE: medical problems with need for medication. Huh? Is this really true? If so, that's more than sad, but I do know society ain't exactly fair. Being a young, blonde, smart, VIRGINAL woman seems to get the attention a hooker or minority might glean. It's sickening. All the little lies just confuse what to look for when pursuing the case. Rediculous!!

[berry]

wondered about that too. posters say it was to dispell any "runaway" ideas. in context, a worried mother, trying to jumpstart the police into action, seems logical

Posted by: bi | Oct 31, 2005 9:31:48 AM

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That'fine, but why wouldn't she just let cops be cops and figure out what happened? They surely would make all the proper inquiries. Instead it seems counter-productive to waste their time lobbying relevant to your daughter's merits.

I don't think a reasonable thinking officer would be able to overlook the possibility of a willful disappearance. But BT should have recognized her daughter's responsibility in other matters, or most of the time, could not steer LE in the current difficulty.

[blues]

>> don't think a reasonable thinking officer would be able to overlook the possibility of a willful disappearance. But BT should have recognized her daughter's responsibility in other matters, or most of the time, could not steer LE in the current difficulty.

>>Posted by: berry | Oct 31, 2005 9:54:46 AM

As a parent, I would do ANYTHING to find my missing child.

[berry]

As a parent, I would do ANYTHING to find my missing child.

Posted by: blues | Oct 31, 2005 10:01:21 AM

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Any of us would. It still puzzles me that Natalee's virtues etc were of such paramount importance. I'm wondering if someone advised her in Aruba on arrival or prior that cops in Aruba would slough off the report in a casual manner?

[b]

well, if you notice, scuba keeps telling us that many times young women don't show up and then it turns out they were with a beach bum having fun. She always seems to boil it down to, ah well, that's aruba. So it is conceivable that you are correct in your deduction that someone may have tipped them off as to how to jumpstart the police. makes sense.

[lookin4info]

Not one person, including Natalee's friends, her ex-boyfriend, her 2 step brothers stayed behind to help find out why she missed the plane. One of the posters mentioned that people that have nothing to hide then hide nothing.

Perhaps they really just thought she'd missed the plane?

[PerryPeabody]

.... People instead now have started making up lies and bashing and trashing her mother Beth and even worse blaming it on Beth and Natalee. This sort of discussion is absolutley disgusting. ....
Posted by: ! | Oct 30, 2005 9:45:45 PM
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Bashing and trashing anyone and spewing allegations that have no factual bases are repulsive whether or not directed at Beth or at Joran or the Kalpoes or their families or, for that matter, all of the other people who have been brought up regarding this case and deprecated in interviews, in newspapers, on TV, in blogs. The only hard facts in this case are that Natalee has not been heard from, that her family would like to know where she is and that Joran is the last KNOWN person to have seen her. All of the rest, when it rises to a fevered, personally-directed, deprecating, accusatory, insulting pitch is bashing.

[blues]

>>Not one person, including Natalee's friends, her ex-boyfriend, her 2 step brothers stayed behind to help find out why she missed the plane. One of the posters mentioned that people that have nothing to hide then hide nothing.

ALE in conjunction with the FBI need to rule out/in any participation of NH's friends in her disappearance. That will end the finger of suspicion pointing at them and put the focus back on JVDS and the Kalpoes where it belongs. I'm not saying they did something to NH, but being that they were the last ones who saw her and all of them have lying through their teeth, they know something.

As far Kalpoes confession that "all three of them" had sex with NH, something earlier made the point that he didn't who the three where - he just said "all three of us did". I'm assuming that he meant himself, Joran and his brother - but that not a given.

[berry]

Not one person, including Natalee's friends, her ex-boyfriend, her 2 step brothers stayed behind to help find out why she missed the plane. One of the posters mentioned that people that have nothing to hide then hide nothing.

Perhaps they really just thought she'd missed the plane?

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I think this sequence of events needs to be nailed down. What gave Ms Twitty the idea she had to go on the offensive? Why didn't Natalee's own cousins stay? How "free floating" were the teens and why did they need chaperones who were apparently only ceremonial?

[berry]

"As far Kalpoes confession that "all three of them" had sex with NH, something earlier made the point that he didn't who the three where - he just said "all three of us did". I'm assuming that he meant himself, Joran and his brother - but that not a given."

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Until forensics weighs in on that tape, it's worth ZERO.

[berry]

Why have I seen Deepak's employer interviewd - but not even know the name of a single chaperone?

[b]

salk has repeatedly told us that the young woman acquired the cousins by marriage and thus she was not any closer to them than she was to her other classmates.

most posters indicate that the tapes whether legitimate or not would not be admissable in an aruban court. They have, however, pointed out that the tape may be used to bring the supects in once again for questioning. This time, however, as noted by scuba, the suspect on the tape has been advised by his attorney to say nothing, nada, nothing to anyone about anything. So, now they would be bringing in a lawyered up suspect whose attorney would be an advocate for having him released and exonerated once again. as noted her and elsewhere, the first thing the suspect's attorney would say is "if this tape had an validity, why wasn't if presented while the suspects were still in custody and why was it presented on an american telelvision program. Since the dutch judges appear to follow the letter of their law, it seems that they would find this a very compelling argument and rule in favor of the suspect. This is what it appears the prosecutor is trying to stave off for now.

This gets more and more complicated wiht each passing day...so sad

[blues]

>>the first thing the suspect's attorney would say is "if this tape had an validity, why wasn't if presented while the suspects were still in custody and why was it presented on an american telelvision program.

>>Posted by: b | Oct 31, 2005 12:17:56 PM

I think there was a deliberate intent on making ALE look like they don't know what they are doing. The logic would be, if you're conducting this investigation the way you should, you would have gotten all the suspects to talk the way we did.

On the other hand though, it is incomprehensible to me that JVDS and the Kalpoes could cover up a murder the way they did.

[betsy]

blues, no kidding! Those young men don't appear to be the sharpest knives in the drawer and it's absurd to think Natalee's body could've been so pristinely been disposed of by them or even others helping them.

[stacy]

Thanks Dan.

I am of the opinion from a medical standpoint that ANY possible medications that Natalee MAY HAVE been taking could very well have played a vital role (especially when mixed with alcohol or street drugs) in the possible cause of her death. If she is in fact dead??

In order to determine what IF ANY medications Natalee was taking, Beth would have to release her medical records and I am 100 percent certain that she will not do this...especially if Natalee was being treated fot depression and she was taking Anti-Depressant medications for the condition. Depression and the treatment of depression with anti-depressant medication is very common in teens of all ages, especially females. Actually, treatment of depression is very common in people of ALL AGES and depression is far more common in females than it is in males.

Sadly, one of the major side effects of anti-depression medications is they can cause the person being treated to commit suicide.

Most all medications and alcohol do cause chemical,nutrient and electrolyte imbalances in the body.

When medications including OTC medications and alcohol are mixed together, there is a great potential for fatal results and if street drugs are added to the medication and/or alcohol mix,the potential for fatal results are greatly increased.

There has been discussion on this blog and other forums that Natalee had or seemed to have had an unexplained weight gain. Anti-depressant medications,birth control pills,pregnancy, metabolic disorders can cause weight gain.
Hypothyroidism is a very common metabolic disorder in females.

I AM NOT stating as fact that Natalee was depressed and taking anti-depressant medications,however,it is my impression that she was clearly exhibiting some of the more common symptoms of depression and MITE HAVE been taking medications for it.

I AM also not stating as fact that Natalee was taking birth control pills or that she was pregnant but the possibility does exist.

All of the above possibilities need to be fully investigated to either confirm or to rule them out.

IF Natalee was depressed regardless if she was being medically treated for the condition or not,does have great relevance to this case and may very well explain at least in part what may have happened to her.

Posted by: BamaRN | Oct 30, 2005 10:49:54 PM

Oh no... it is the nut case again... I thought they locked her back in her room. damn!

[mc]

i am done with this blog. I will get my information from CNN a day late. Joran is a liar and he knows what happened to Ms. Holloway. That is all there is to believe. To take anything and call it value from this liar is foolish and suspect.

[Freebrid]

I cannot believe you people turn this all around on Natalee & Beth. Dan writes that everything The Twittys & Holloway say or do is a lie or wrong because it might violate the 3 thugs rights if anyone said anything against them. Well Dan did you not hear what Joran said in his currect affair interview "SOMEDAY I WILL TELL WHAT REALLY HAPPEN" or do you have selective hearing. That alone should tell everyone he knows what happened that night. To many lies. And to many story changes. This Blog has just went to Hell. At one time you could interact and talk with people and make sense out of things but now I just don't understand blasting Beth & Natalee for things that are just dum. You must be getting paid good money and lots of free trips to Aruba for your little short stories. You people blast Beth for saying Natalee was a good girl, but don't say anything about Mrs Van der sloot saying how sweet, respectable, smart, and good boy Joran is. RIGHT!
17 gambling, drinking, hanging out in clubs at all hours of the night(and on a school night) poor sweet good boy Joran and side kick K2's. Everybody is giving such a bad rap. Well to bad they need their asses kicked and be made to tell the truth about that night!

[BamaRN]

Hey Stacy,

Yes...They let me back out so I could just aggravate the hell out of mentally deficient Beth supporting dysfunctional idiotic morons just like you!

Gee its too bad that you have fecal material for brains and cotton in your ears to keep the fecal material from running out!

Thats why they let nut cases like me into nursing and medical school and people like you remain PHD's cause you dont have the mentality to do anything else. (PHD is short for Poop Hole Diggers)!

Your moma told me that when you were born that the best part of you ran down the crack of her ass and ended up a brown stain on the sheets.

You ought to expend some time and effort to educate that moronic brain of yours so you wont look like an idiot everytime you post something.

It's highly obvious that you have a greatly reduced substandard level of intelligence and your reading and comprehension skill's are extremely piss poor to say the least.

Go finish drinking your five gallon daily ration of Beth's "Kool-Aid" and light up your crack pipe and chill out, cause no one else on this blog wants to read your hateful disdaining slimy personal bashing BS attacks.

[BamaRN]

Hey Freebird,

You need to wake up and smell the coffee! If any one needs their butts kicked super hard its the parents of the MB kids for letting them go to Aruba to drink,do drugs,have wild sex and generally raise hell for a week in the first place.

Everyone of the MB kids who went on the Aruba trip also needs their butts kicked hard and expecially Natalee's close friends who were with her at Carlos and Charlie's really needs their butts kicked extra hard for failing to use the buddy system to take care of their friend and letting her get into the car and take off with Joran and crew.
WHERE WERE NATALEE'S FRIENDS AT AND WHY DID THEY NOT USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM TO CARE OF HER????

The chaperones also needs their butss kicked the hardest for failing to see that everyone of the MB kids were safe at all times and for failing to prevent Natalee from leaving in the car with Joran and crew since one or more of the chaperones were also at Carlos and Charlie's the night Natalee disappeared.
WHERE WERE THE CHAPERONES AT AND WHY DID THEY FAIL TO TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR????

[Sweetie]

BamaRN, your Mom ever wash your mouth out with soap? You couldn't possibly be more than 17 or have alot of pent up anger.

[John Staton]

Things forgotten
Freddie, Joran's best friend and neighbor. Leader of P.I.M.P.S. sexual preditor gang in jail (read the complaint) only after gang's protector Jan Van der Straaten out of power.

Aruba police will not investigate rape. Probably expected Natalee to show up following gang rape and tell her to get onto the plane.

Drug trafficing environment of Aruba. Authorities very used to being on the take. One Dutch hand washing another. So much money so few to pay off.

Time and space including places of perps seen by eye witness accounts leads to very few possibilities other than fowl play by them. Statement by Deepak on tape we "we all did" would have included Freddie if he was available.

This is one dirty little island!

[Texasnurse]

Hey Sweetie,
Sorry,you are wrong on both accounts. I am not 17 and I sure dont have alot of built up anger.
I am very tired of being bashed for no good reason. If people want to be rude to me THEN I in turn will be rude to them! I have simple had enough of the bashing BS and from now on I will respond in kind!!!!!

I much perfer to NOT be rude to anyone at all,but obviously alot of people on this blog enjoy being rude to people so its about time that they have some of their own medicine back,because the only thing they understand is rudeness.

[BamaRN]

The above post to Sweetie is mine and I dictated the post to my friend Texasnurse while my nails are drying. Crap messed one of them up.

BamaRN

[Freebird]

BamaRN,

I don't know where the chaperones were or what they were doing, we know they were not watching the kids. And yes the kids should have used a buddy system but they did'nt and we cannot change that now. The fact remains the only thing here is to find Natalee and give her families some peace of mind or at least find out what happen to her. John Staton you are correct in every word you wrote. It don't matter what kind of garbage anyone has to say about Natalee's family I think they should keep on doing and saying what ever it takes to find information about where & what happen to Natalee. And BamaRN evidently you do not have any children therefore you do not know how it feels to not know where your child is. Beth may do & say things alot of people do not like but the woman has not seen or heard her childs voice in 5 months. I do not agree on some of her opinions but I also see it from a mothers point of view. YOU HAVE TO FIND YOUR CHILD NO MATTER THE COST OR WHAT ANYBODY ELSE THINKS. BETH & DAVE JUST KEEP ON KEEPING ON FOR GOD WILL BE WITH YOU AS YOU SEARCH FOR YOUR CHILD.

[Sweetie]

BamaRN, ok, fair enough, I understand what you are saying, but doing that just makes you, well, just like the people doing the bashing to you. Be the better one. Have a nice one.