Natalee Holloway Mother Beth Twitty On Fox Tonight

Beth Twitty, mother of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway appeared pensive and angry on Fox TV this evening with host Greta Van Sustern.

Stating she was returning to Aruba on November 1st, she mentioned that step one was to get the FBI involved. Host Van Sustern seemed perplexed by Beth Twitty's response. When asked by Greta what was new, Ms. Twitty reiterated that step one was getting the FBI involved and repeated allegations that Aruban authorities have not wanted to conduct a thorough investigation.

When asked about recent statements from Aruban authorities as regards interviewing Mountain Brook High School students on the trip with Natalee, Beth seemed unwilling to concede that such interviews should be conducted without the FBI, stating Aruban authorities need to use "proper" channels.

Greta also suggested that if Natalee had been intoxicated that night she would not have been able to consent to any sexual activity that might have taken place and went on to suggest that would constiture rape.

When Van Sustern asked Beth Twitty if she felt the Alabama students had been forthcoming with the FBI about details of the trip, Twitty stated that they were "excellent, top notch" students and should be capable of giving a straight forward account. She again stipulated that the FBI needed to be present for any additional interviews to take place. It's unclear if Aruban authorities, or the FBI is willing to conduct the investigation according to Beth Twitty's parameters.

Twitty ended by suggesting that the Aruban authorties continue to put up barriers to the investigation and it seemed unclear if that would change in the future.

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Comments

[kin]

Dompig said exactly this last night on Rita Cosby. They want to be "sure" they have it all before they haul the "SUSPECTS" back in again.
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I didn't see that but IF Dan said ALE and the FBI aren't looking at the "3 boys" any more he's dead (no pun) WRONG!

[Letshelp]

Depending on traffic it is not that far from downtown Orangestad to the lighthouse, you could probably get there in 10-12 minutes, possibly less.

My guess is that there is a fourth person [at least] involved and that it was not Deepak who drove Satish back to the house to fabricate the online alibi but someone else...the someone else the gardener saw in the car at 2:30ish and could not ID.

[berry]

The reason the trio is out is this -

After 3 months of investigating and grilling the trio there is no confession. Besides that, there are no witnesses to bolster LE's theory. In addition to that the timeline, the geography and technology all work against the cops' theory.

The timeline is, at least in part, confirmed by forensic examination of cell records and triangulation techniques. It is also, in part, confirmed by computer records and eyewitnesses.

You cannot make a case Paulus was involved, if you cannot find a way to demonstrate he had any way to know where the trio was or how he was contacted to pick up Joran. You cannot say the boys were raping and killing Natalee in Noord, when no witness is reporting Deepak's car was there.

You cannot say Joran raped and killed Natalee and disposed of the remains, if all the forensics can tell you is that he was on his cell at 2:40 and 3AM first in Palm Beach and then in Noord. Which is what he tells them.

Cops just don't have what they need. The judges saw the case for what it is - insufficient.

Sure, keep trying to fine-tune the favorite theory - but also look elsewhere.

[Jon]

"How long does it take to get from Orangastad to Deepak's house? letshelp"

Here's a good map showing the possible K2 routes and their distance

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=264031&highlight=map#264031

[berry]

Depending on traffic it is not that far from downtown Orangestad to the lighthouse, you could probably get there in 10-12 minutes, possibly less.

My guess is that there is a fourth person [at least] involved and that it was not Deepak who drove Satish back to the house to fabricate the online alibi but someone else...the someone else the gardener saw in the car at 2:30ish and could not ID.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 28, 2005 12:15:35 PM

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It's a theory - but no one seems to be able to provide any proof. And they have had months. And speaking of the gardener - maybe he killed Natalee and buried her in a garden somewhere.

It's as good a theory and he admits being in the same location as the trio, he had just had a fight with his girlfriend and he was claiming to be hot and needing air conditioning - which is absurd. Maybe he was drinking, pissed at his live-in, went out and spotted Natalee on the road. And the only reason he is saying he saw the Deepak car, is because he is worried they saw him.

You are trying too hard to make your theory fit. Why not just take what we know and realize what the judges did, knowing alot more. There is insufficient evidence to think the trio gang raped and killed Natalee.

The answer is somewhere else, IMO.

[Letshelp]

There is insufficient evidence to think the trio gang raped and killed Natalee.

The answer is somewhere else, IMO.
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I agree there is insufficient evidence but I don't agree the answers lie elsewhere.

The odds are too great of the suspects coming up with MULITIPLE LIES, with Joran telling MULTIPLE VERSIONS of his post-HI drop off lie to be coupled with the idea that some other unknown random person grabbed Natalee off the beach.

There is no doubt that we are missing some very large piece(s) of the puzzle, but I believe the puzzle includes the 3 suspects as the main actors in harming Natalee.

Steve Croes gives an alibi based on a phone call he 'overhears' for 3 guys he says he's not friends with?? Come on. No way. It insults my intelligence that anyone would believe that line.

The first lie was too detailed, kept up for too long and had too much calculated to make Natalee look like the Drunk American Slut that the police were predisposed to believe she was.

The beach story has too many inconsistencies to be true as it has been told by Joran.

THe answer is, we don't know what happened but to think it was someone totally apart from the suspects is too far a stretch.

[Observer*]

Berry, You might have a point there, as I hope other scenerio's are being considered. This group here has a hunch and they are doing nothing wrong by looking at the time line, as it is right now they are only trying to help. So long as people don't attack other's on a personal level, which does not help. I am all for reading what other "heads" are pondering. If "you" feel there are other scenerio's would you check them out and report back to us ? lol....
I personally respect your opinion. And yes, other things could have happened, but so far... Their (the trio's) lack of credibility, is a heads up for a closer look.

[kin]

Unfortunately, I don't think we will find out what really happened.

Police in the US pursue missing persons cases for YEARS, when they truly believe a murder occured they don't give up. Many perps have been brought to trial years and years after the crime.

But I don't see that happening in Aruba. The investigation has been lame and reluctant from the beginning and once the media inevitably stops covering the case they are going to give up and stop investigating.

I am 100% convinced that the suspects have probably ALREADY confessed the truth or much of the truth to someone and will most certainly tell others in the future, but I don't see this coming to light unless we're talking about someone's death bed confession in 30 years.

I don't think Natalee will ever be found at this point.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 28, 2005 12:05:04 PM

The odds are against finding her because I do believe she was thrown into the ocean 5 months ago. But I don't believe PVDS's "no body, no crime" will win out.

I'm also 100% convinced there's already been a CONFESSION (or more) and I feel it will happen again. Eventually it will be directly to ALE (like it was reported months ago and then mysteriously denied?) but the problem will be how will we ever know if we're getting the whole truth. And will we ever be happy with the punishment. My guess is probably not on both counts.

[berry]

That's a good map. My own has the Kalpoe home south and a bit east of that location, behind the C and C section of downtown. I wonder how they hit on that cluster of subdivision homes? I tried to make mine from early FOX reports.

I think that is where the Noord home is - or close - and the McDonalds is just a short walk from the HI - but further from the beach. It should have taken about 20 minutes for Joran to walk home from the beach, as he says, according to BT's own attorney, Vinda.

My friend drove from C and C's to the CA Dunes (lighthouse) at night, during the spring a few years ago and she says it took her 15-20 minutes, mainly because of congestion in the downtown area.

[betsy]

Berry, I couldn't agree with you more. Don't know why anyone would want to just MAKE these young men the perps without REAL EVIDENCE. The judges just ain't going to go after these guys without it. I wouldn't want it any other way. Who would? Vigilantes?

[berry]

Their (the trio's) lack of credibility, is a heads up for a closer look.

Posted by: Observer* | Oct 28, 2005 12:38:21 PM

Exactly why they are the prime suspects. I think they are well documented as suspects, but somehow it just isn't enough. And they are on my list.

But something just isn't fitting. There is a sequence and a person or persons that does fit. I'm just not sure they are it - and thank you for your post.

[Observer*]

Thank you Berry :)
I am all for Investigating other scenerio's. excuse me for being off the time line topic for a moment. I did a search awhile back concerning Ferries, boats, and coming in and off the island. I also did a soft search of Venezuela and human traffiking (sp?)
I was concerned not only for this case but future visitors to "any" island. And to what I found out...wow!
I am not saying this happened to Nat. It is certainly worth looking into though. If not just for general information for future travelers abroad.
The law's that govern "out at sea" are much different then what one would think. Things (don't want to be accusatory here) that are brought onto the island of Aruba (and other islands) are not investigated as they are "here" on the U.S. coast(s)
Vessels coming into dock, are not checked as they are here, nor leaving the island are monitored as one would like them to be.
This leaves a lot of room for speculation, but certainly is worth looking into. I agree... :)

I have Missing Person's cases, and that is where my interest(s) took me concerning "other vanished" cases as well as Nat's.

[berry]

Yes, Observer*, I worry about the "fluidity" and lack of serious monitoring of the region. There is alot of potential for watercraft misbehavior and perhaps that will be the final answer.

I remember the Tim Miller discovery that a local yacht went missing when Natalee did and was found weeks later, sold, re-named and re-registered in Venezuela.

[Observer*]

I would be following that lead.

[berry]

Yep.

[DrTar&ProFeather]

Dan has about as much legitimate information on this case as my cat does.

In my opinion.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 28, 2005 11:59:39 AM

If this was my blog, you'd be history.

[moey]

BamaRN:

Yes, that is something I have always wondered about, why did the MB kids leave when a member of their group was missing??? Why did the 'chaperones' allow the group to leave without having formal statements taken of each one, including chaperones????

Also, as has been discussed here yesterday, the MB teens have been interviewed by the FBI in the early stages multiple times - where are the statements and why isn't Beth aware of that. She keeps saying the FBI needs to be involved. Well, if they took statements and interviewed everyone, whatever they had to say has to be documented, I would think.

The comment about the teens 'drinking responsibly' is an oxymoron, period!

I have been suspicious from the beginning about this whole thing. I'm not totally convinced the Kalpoes and Joran were involved in what ultimately happened to Natalee, as I am not sure PVS was involved in what ultimately happened. I DO think all three of them have more knowledge that they could and should share with the police which would lead to others. Then I think a better timeline could be made to track her movements.

I just wish that all cameras, cell phones and timelines from those close to Natalee could have been gathered immediately on the 30th or 1st, it will be impossible to reconstruct now as there has been too much contamination of what would have been good forensic evidence. IMHO

[Observer*]

Just for fun.. along the lines of the International drug and human trade "Berry and I had been talking about earlier". Here is a board of people with similar view's. It's an interesting blog.

[Observer*]

oops didn't copy and paste properly. btw...I am not a member of this blog...just came across it while doing a search. http://rivrdog.typepad.com/rivrdog/2005/06/gotcha_patrol_2.html

[Observer*]

Here is an article to ponder on:
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=13745

[Observer*]

Minister Soriano says that visitors from Aruba will be exempt from filling out the usual entry forms all visitors are required to hand in on arrival at the country's airports.

this was on the end of that article....interesting?

[MLT]

Has Venezuela been completely dismissed? Have any searches gone on there? Has the sold to a Saudi Prince thing been investigated? I know that doesn't make sense because why would they make up so many stories (the three boys) but still I find myself going back to that.

[chip]

information on this case as my cat does.

Posted by: Letshelp | Oct 28, 2005 11:59:39 AM
reading your posts lately &
after trying to ask you questions yesterday........i think my cats are more interesting to have a coversation with

[Observer*]

I do not know if there is an ongoing investigation concerning Ferries, boats and the like concerning other islands and nearby Venz., but I can only look for information and post it here for all to read. I do certainly hope there is some interest in this as I hate to take up room on this board with unwanted information.
In this article I have found and posted I find it interesting that people are able to use these ferries and also transport cars....etc. I wonder are the trunks of these cars looked into. Not just for the obvious reasons (Nat), but also for drug traffiking. Here is the article ....you decide.
Now, remember the other article I pasted above says.. documentation is not required, so...

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=23268

[Only One]

I read Bamarn post,exellent post.

[Sharon]

COMMENT:

DAN YOUR SLANT ON WHAT BETH SAID AND HER ATTITUDE WAS TOTALLY WRONG ONCE AGAIN!!!
I admire Beth for her tenacity and fight
to bring those criminals to justice. I am
so glad that many are rallying to her cause
for Natalie to be found and those murders to
be brought to justice....Come on ARUBA do your
job!!!

[Sharon]

COMMENTS:

JORAN AND THE KALPOES RAPED HER...stop with these stupid stories of her wondering off and
acting like she had a shark-o-gram delivered to
her on the beach and then she dissappeared...and
then a two headed dog came by and ate her all up!
yaddda yaddda yadda bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Get real and Arrest those guilty dogs Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes!!

[Only One]

Yes Sharon Dompig is going to do the job,don't worry be happy.

[Only One]

Sharon if you are a witness wy you not comming over and the case will be over.Just simple like that.

[JT]

All you can do is laugh at the crap that comes out of Bizman, Berry and some of the other unifnormed miss-fits writing this garbage. It's funny how ol Bizman can talk about Beth being full of haterd, obviously you don't read your own posts. But then again I am sure Bizman has never lost a child.... But he is an authority on how one should react along with some of the lost souls on this site. And Dan, Well he has stooped to all time lows to get traffic to his site. Maybe it has something to do with that new blog group that is organizing to get money for the bloggers. More traffic, more money.. its the only thing dan says that makes any sense anymore.

Oh yes the Mt Brook kids are just shaking in their boots for fear of being implicated in what has happened to Natalee and being interviewed by ALE..hahahahahaha what a joke, oh and sure Beth and Marica has told them to keep their mouths shut.. LOL you guys are halirious!

I woudn't let the ALE interview anyone without an attorney at the very least and probably more specifically the FBI be with them. There is no TELLING what ALE will do with those interviews. Anything they can to take the light off Aruba and place it on someone else I am sure.

No one here knows why Beth is pissed off, no one on here can possibly know what is going on behind the scenes. Oh of course unless your Dan with all of his "SOURCES" There may be much more to her attidude other than the fact she has been lied too, miss-led, stalled and physically threatened over the past 5 months for trying to find out what happened to her daughter.

Oh Yes of course "the kids in MT Brook are lying about what happened"... Well only a few have been on TV and those interviews are heavely edited. It was a Graduation celebration, WOW some drank, some got drunk, some had sex and some no doubt did drugs.... Sounds like a pretty normal night out on a weekend right here in the states and with any high school group of kids. BFD! BUT NOT ALL OF THEM DID and in Fact some of them did NONE Of that or maybe only one or two of those things. Wow that makes them guilty of hding some big deep dark secret. Get a over it!

Then for all you num nuts that think they are doing this for the money. Oh and yes thats right the corporate jet was there the night before and wisked Natalee away. That is such B/S...

NOBODY in MR is hiding a damn thing. No one has been told to shut up and not talk and no one is worried about additional interviews....

You guys have missed your calling into the world or writing sci-fi.

All Dan does with his posts is right things to inflame people to get the hits to his page. His sources never pan out, his stories never pan out, wow wait a minute I just had an ephany. Maybe Dan is really ALE!

[ustt]

All Dan does with his posts is right things to inflame people to get the hits to his page. His sources never pan out, his stories never pan out, wow wait a minute I just had an ephany. Maybe Dan is really ALE!

Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2005 5:35:53 PM

or..........scuba or that julia

[Dreamquestrob]

LOOK IN THE SEA ... AND MB STUDENTS CALL US WITH ANY INFO YOU MIGHT HAVE

I'm sorry folks but I just don't seen to see this directions from ALE as being counter productive for either side of this debate. I think sometimes the media "spin" tends to fan the flames of extreme thinking on all sides.

Commissioner Dompig is not suggesting that the MB students had anything to do Natalee's disappearance (as some who post here would like you to believe) -- he is merely wanting to fill in the holes from the FBI questioning of students that were created after months of following up countless leads. The FBI questioning of students DID happen but shortly after the return of the students to the states. Now, after months of gathering information the ALE needs clarifications from some of the students or even new information that was not previously reported. To me this request is not unreasonable nor does it spell a shifting of the case off the still suspect J2K to MB students. To underscore his reqeust he has made this request, "...same appeal on the Alabama teens as he did in Aruba: to call 011 297 587 0009 ext 101 to give any information that they may have".

At the same time Dompig is making this request he is also giving Dave Holloway some specific reqeusts to direct the private searches in the sea at a specific location.
This is interesting as it would seem that there are two possibilities surrounding this request.

1. That he has leads or information (maybe a witness?) that leads the ALE to believe that Natalee's body or clues to her disappearance can be found somewhere in that area... or,

2. He is deliberately diverting the search efforts out to the ocean where the search team members are harmlessly wasting their time without digging up dumps or draining ponds, or interrogating Aruban citizens. out of sight, out of mind, out of the way.

I believe in my heart that the two efforts (MB Student Information and Search at Sea) are intertwined on a police theory that might actually resolve the case. Remember, we, the public, do not know what ALE and the FBI knows. Therefore I prefer to believe number 1 at this time.

[JT]

BAMA-RN,
Said: I dont understand why Beth refuses to accept the fact that at least one to four different classmates of Natalee saw her return to the hotel AFTER she was with Joran at the beach, and Beth knows that there was evidence in Natalee's room that she did return back to the room after being with Joran. The big question is...what happened to Natalee After she returned to the hotal??

Posted by: BamaRN | Oct 28, 2005 3:38:51 AM

BAMA-RN ..U are so full of crap... NO ONE saw her come back to the hotel room AFTER she left Joran on the beach and NO there was not ANY evidence that she had been there,.... You must of graduated from RWV school of journialism. NONE of what you wrote in that post is true..... Or your from Aruba

[Dreamquestrob]

I might be wrong but I believe Granny has a timeline that establishes that after the concert the girls returned to the HI (where Natalee could have left her camera) where they saw Joran at the Casino (the famous coversation where Joran claims he won back money for Natalee) and then left to go to CnC. Do I understand this right? If this is true then bamarn's theory is debunked. If it is not true then it may be a valid question.

[JT]

Dream,

your confused.... Bama is stating that she was back at the hotel room after C&C's after she left with Joran................

that didnt happen

[ustt]

Let's write to Dan and ask him where BamaRN's posts are coming from.

[Observer*]

JT:

I can respect just about anyone and their opinion. But your message a few lines back was uncalled for. In part you are attacking people for having an opinion, you might consider this:

People go missing.. and sometimes it is not perfectly clear...why or how. I think you would agree that you cannot judge a book by it's cover. The nicest looking people ... can be of the worst kind, inside.

Most of us on this board are educated adults. From all walks of life. I for one am in the Missing Person's life....after the fact. I know that people can end up far from where they started out from (last seen), and some are buried no more then 3 feet from where they were last. It is not out of the ordinary to consider other aspects of a missing persons case. In-fact a person can stunt a case from being so closed minded that they stick with one version.
Joran may very well be responsible, and I tend to lean in that direction myself. But, I do not agree that myself (or my past conversation with Berry) was out of line. Infact one of the people who was out of line was.....you.
I do see that some people write things on here that are misquided, perhaps they read something wrong. but, I think your attack was unjustified and in the future I will skip over your entries if they continue to be written out of anger.

[Paulo]

I'll be brief:

Why on earth is Beth Twitty being treated differently than EVERY OTHER parent of a missing child in our country? I don't want to be insensative; I cannot possibly fathom what this mother has been going through.

But people, Beth Twitty has done more to hinder, stall, and make a mess of this investigation than just about anyone involved, to include van der Stratten, van der Sloot, K2's, or the "who'd you do to get your position" Mss. Jannsen.

Beth Twitty went to a foreign country and completely embarrassed herself. Moreover, with her seemingly ungrateful mouth she is alienating just about everyone who, at one time, supported her. Who does she think she is????

The FBI? Holy Justice Department, Batman!! C'mon Beth, losing confidence in the Mt. Brookies? This is what lawyers are for. If ALE wants to finally investigate this case, let em'. BTW, it's not up to you anyway! News FLASH! If they want to investigate they flip the bill. Period, and simple.

Subpeona's are like toilet paper, use them as such. If they want to talk to the "kids, or children" as you once claimed they are, let the ALE pay for their flights, per diem (college rates), accommodations, food, entertainment, and free drinks at CnC's.

When I saw this chitty crud on Greta last night in lieu of the classiest woman on earth, Mr. Janet Pelasara, Taylor Behl's mother, I just about puked. And btw, stop that damn hoarse sounding pause "aahhhhhhhhh, well Greta, aahhhhhhhhhh," it makes you look and sound like the gold digging hick you really are. Any questions?

[Observer*]

Do you know of any Moms of Missing Persons to compare her to? well.....I do and guess what? I hear the same complaints about law enforcement, cover ups...etc. I hear the same plea's over and over...I can assure you, she is reacting in much the same way other Mom's are in the same situation. Yes, Taylor's Mom did fine.. but consider this, her daughter was found not long after she went missing and their were plenty of leads along the way. From my personal experiences..Nat's Mom is acting as she should.

[bizman]

BAMA-RN ..U are so full of crap... NO ONE saw her come back to the hotel room AFTER she left Joran on the beach and NO there was not ANY evidence that she had been there,.... You must of graduated from RWV school of journialism. NONE of what you wrote in that post is true..... Or your from Aruba

Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2005 6:05:16 PM

JT,
Do you really think that you are as smart as you think you are?

All you have to offer is insults to those who do not see your line of thinking the way that you do.

It is obvious that you think the Jughead solved this case within 5 hours of landing in Aruba.Yep,according to Jughead he had it wrapped up before daylight.

Fortunately Dan tolerates the likes of you and personally I am glad that he does as it gives those who do not wear the BETH TWITTY ISSUED ROSE COLORED GLASSES a look into what makes a KOOL-AID DRINKER tick.

You folks are way too shallow in your thnking to be taken seriously.You very folk who wear these rose colored glasses have been manipulated for months and it is obvious that it is necessary for someone else to think for you.

How many times do people have to listen to the KOOL-AID DRINKERS say because Jughead or Beth said this or that it must be true.

You KOOL-AID DRINKERS need to figure out a way to break free from the constraints that he Twitty's have managed to infest your brains with.

JT,
ENOUGH OF THE B.S. ALREADY

[bizman]

When I saw this chitty crud on Greta last night in lieu of the classiest woman on earth, Mr. Janet Pelasara, Taylor Behl's mother, I just about puked. And btw, stop that damn hoarse sounding pause "aahhhhhhhhh, well Greta, aahhhhhhhhhh," it makes you look and sound like the gold digging hick you really are. Any questions?

Posted by: Paulo | Oct 28, 2005 6:54:06 PM

Damn Paulo,
I have been wondering about that sound too.It is one of the most annoying sounds that a human has ever uttered out of their mouths.

No,no more questions,I think you have just about summed it up,no further questions.

[JT]

Bizman,

enough of YOUR BS already...... you are the one who throws out accusations with NO WAY to support one damn thing you say..... If you can back it up go for it...

The only left wing clinton kool-aid drinker here is you....

As for thinking I am that smart... I know what I know and I know your so far off base with your off the way garbage that you should be writing for National Enquire... get over yourself...You do nothing BUT attack.....

[Dreamquestrob]

Dream,

your confused.... Bama is stating that she was back at the hotel room after C&C's after she left with Joran................

that didnt happen

Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2005 6:16:42 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~

Yeah you are right... Bama has posted so much stuff -- it was something I beleive she might have posted earlier -- thank you.

[bizman]

JT,
You know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about,in fact you cant even fake it very well.Tell us JT,just what do you know besides what you have been brainwashed with,you were really an easy mark for the Twitty camp.Oh they do know how to pull the heartstrings,dont they???

I have never ever attacked.I only have offered an opinion just as you have and countless others.

The Enquirer,if I am not mistaken your fearless leader views the Enquirer as a reliable source,so since your leader endorses it then ou have no other choice than to pick up your weekly copy at the checkout stand.

ENOUGH OF YOUR B.S. JT.

[JT]

Observer,

I am not anger at all..I am not necessrally trying to attack someone personnally. But I don't feel it is unjustified to attack what is compelete and utter garbage and has NO basis of fact. I am just fed up with how it is painted that the kids in Mt Brook are hiding something... That the kids in Mt Brook are stepford kids, that the kids in Mt Brook are druggies, that the kids in Mt brook are being told they can't talk, that the cover up starts in MT Brook...The kids in MT Brook lied... That the Twittys are doing this for financial gain, that somehow Beth is responsible......Or that anyone on here should be judging the Twitty's for the way she feels she needs to handle things. NO ONE Dan included knows what happened that night. I have no problem with anyone being interviewed again...If your going to put something out there then back it up with fact or state it is your personal opinion.

[JT]

Bizman,

Let's just leave it that We agree to disagree.... We are obviously not going to ever see this the same way and its not worth the energy for either one of us......

[Observer*]

JT:
I am glad your not angry. As that does not solve anything. It is pointless to be pro-this or con-that.
I like to read different scenerio's is all. When I see people attacking others on a personal level it's distracting to me....personally.
I wonder do any of you know any of the people individually that would warrant blind personal accusations.. where you need to stand up for them..or better yet, attack them personally?
I find it helpful to read statements of others and as it is....mostly heresay. And that's fine, as it gives another a perspective that perhaps they/myself have missed. I don't believe everything I hear anyway. And I don't know Mrs. Twitty in person. But, it's a fact she has a missing daughter, and that is where my energy is put. You don't have to stick up for her...it just causes those who have ill feelings to attack more (I won't even try to understand it as it's beyond my comprehension).So.... Just let it pass, make no comment, and discuss the case..
I did not mean to offend anyone, just doing what I do best, and that is stand back and look at everything, and make no judgements. Especially personal ones.

[bizman]

I am not anger at all..I am not necessrally trying to attack someone personnally. But I don't feel it is unjustified to attack what is compelete and utter garbage and has NO basis of fact. I am just fed up with how it is painted that the kids in Mt Brook are hiding something... That the kids in Mt Brook are stepford kids, that the kids in Mt Brook are druggies, that the kids in Mt brook are being told they can't talk, that the cover up starts in MT Brook...The kids in MT Brook lied... That the Twittys are doing this for financial gain, that somehow Beth is responsible......Or that anyone on here should be judging the Twitty's for the way she feels she needs to handle things. NO ONE Dan included knows what happened that night. I have no problem with anyone being interviewed again...If your going to put something out there then back it up with fact or state it is your personal opinion.

Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2005 7:31:00 PM

JT,all the MB young adults(they are not kids anymore so let's call a spade a spade)have to do is come clean about what they know if they know anything.It has been far too quiet from the very people who were on this trip while the drum has been beaten loudly towards 3 suspects for the world to see on a nightly basis as where no proof has been presented to warrant such acts of agressions.Yes it is time for those grown ups(yeah the ones who went to Aruba,drank daily,gambled,sexual adverntures,yeah those MB KIDS)to cough up whatever they know if anything.Remember if they have nothing to hide then why should it be a problem,do the interviews and get it over with.Why should that be a problem?

As far as putting things out there and stating it as fact without proof I think BT takes all honors on that one.She has presented falsehoods as facts without proof for months.So maybe you need to have a word with her about that.

As far as anyone else on here or any other board or the family themsleves all they have is there opinions and hunches.
So JT dont come on here and say how sick you are about this and that but perfectly ok with the endless nights of falsehoods being told with absolutely no proof to back it up.

[bizman]

Bizman,

Let's just leave it that We agree to disagree.... We are obviously not going to ever see this the same way and its not worth the energy for either one of us......

Posted by: JT | Oct 28, 2005 7:34:45 PM

JT,you mean you were trying to convert me?You giving up on me that easy?That's a good thing cause I ceased awhile back taking in everything without question that the Twitty's laid out there.

The straw that broke the camel's back is when Beth laid ownership of the very toothbrush that she supplied to ALE as belonging to Natalee as belonging to one of the other girls after it was revealed that it had male dna on it.

That is not cool to put something like that on one of the other girls to keep her daughter's image intact.SO yes she lost my support right then when she insinuated such a thing.

[Observer*]

So, me mentioning ways to get off the island, should be of interest to everyone. As ferries (boats, yachts) could have been used in different scenerio's. By the trio... by human traffiking, or an entirely different party who was there on the beach that night...yes? Anyone done any checking on those topics? Nearby islands... How about the boat Berry mentioned earlier ?
Or we could discuss the cement around the pool at Mr. V's house.. any word on what company poured it?
Or the ongoing water search, I did some reading on diving.. currents and tides...hmmmmm?