Natalee Holloway: Fox Update

On Greta tonight it didn't sound as though the Skeeter's tapes were quite as easy to verify from simple listening as they might have been. Apparently they are to be examined by experts in Holland.

One absolutely laughable bit of news - Skeeter's claims about there being a video portion as some great proof of their legitimacy turned out to be views of the back of Deepak Kalpoe's head.

Maybe I'm wrong but something still smells real fishy here. Why make the boast about the video portion when it's obviously irrelevant? Also, according to other individuals on Greta, in order to claim rape under known circumstances, it would be required to show that Natalee was unable to consent as a result of being impaired.

If Natalee was impaired as a result of her own drinking, that would contradict statements by her friends that she seemed fine when they saw her last. Consequently, it's  impossible for me to construct a scenario where new charges are made regardless of what the tapes may, or may not say. The hurdle would actually get higher because of previous statements by her friends, as the prosecutor would need to prove that the boys somehow drugged her, or force4d her to consume a large amount of alcohol between the time she left the club and the time of any alleged crime.

This may all may pass for cable TV fare, but as for evidence or conviction, it doesn't add up to much. Those were also the sentiments echoed by one of the detectives on Fox tonight.

Comments

[dave]

Certainly it is a long way from a conviction, or even enough evidence to go to trial. However, if authenticated, it certainly will provide the authorities with new information which can help them in their investigation. One interesting thing I noted, is that Dompig said they couldn't tell if Deepak said "She did" or "She didn't." He does, however, say that Deepak's next comment is "You'd be surprised how easy it was," which would seem very out of context if his previous comment was "She didn't."

Still, even if the tapes initially look authentic, there is always the possibility the tapes were manufactured. They will of course be sent off to Holland in order to rule this out.

Dompig also sounded to me like he found other parts of the tape interesting as well, not just the comment about sex.

[Jami]

Actually Dompig seemed to think the tapes were real. So let sent them to Holland for review. When Holland reports they are real, what will all the doubter have to say? If Holland comes back with undetermined, (as I suspect) That just leaves more speculation on the entire case.

[Jami]

If Natalee was impaired as a result of her own drinking,

Psted by DAN

If anyone is impaired from drinking, it would be a result of their own drinking! This was such a strange statement. Maybe being impaired by drinking and drugged? Even if it was only from the 151, it doesn't make her at fault for a person to mistreat or lose her.. She was last with Joran (I have other names). He is responsible for getting her home safely.

Or is that just a southern gentleman thing?

[VC]

I fell over when on Abrams Dompig said there was a problem because the "transcriptions dont 100% match the tapes".

EXCUSE ME??? skeeters sent a transcription with the cd and it doest match?????

edited, adulterated and bogus imo

DEFINITELY useless in a court.

[dave]

edited, adulterated and bogus imo

DEFINITELY useless in a court.

Posted by: VC | Oct 24, 2005 11:07:25 PM

If that were the case then why even bother sending it off to Holland?

[Dan]

If anyone is impaired from drinking, it would be a result of their own drinking!

Then you haven't been paying attention to Beth Twitty and the infamous shots of 151 - which is why I made the distinction.

[LB]

If they could prove that Natalee's judgement was impaired from alcohol I think it would qualify as rape under Aruban law - but what if the other person was also drunk - and if it was Joran, he is also a year younger than Natalee who is/was 18. It might be hard to prove rape under those circumstances - and without a body.

And enough about the 151 already. Unless they grew up in a vacuum, Natalee and her friends probably had a pretty good idea what 151 was. (I'm not saying she drank it, just that she knew what it was.) And if it were slipped to her she'd have a pretty good idea too. It does not taste just like rum or coke. It's NASTY. The only things more disgustng, maybe irish whiskey and cheap tequila. And guess what, my mom doesn't think I've ever touched alcohol or smoked a joint either.

[Jon]

"The hurdle would actually get higher because of previous statements by her friends, as the prosecutor would need to prove that the boys somehow drugged her, or force4d her to consume a large amount of alcohol between the time she left the club and the time of any alleged crime."

Not necessarily, it would depend on the timeline.

GHB takes 10-20 minutes to take effect, don't know what the lag time is for a 151 shot but I assume there is one.

When Alana Jordan saw Natalee outside the bar walking normally, that could have been only a few minutes after Natalee finished the drink Joran bought her, and it didn't begin to kick in until a few minutes later, when Deepak was seen leading her back out of the club by the arm.

[c]

what does Dompig mean when he says that transcript did not match what was on the tape ?

[c]

One interesting thing I noted, is that Dompig said they couldn't tell if Deepak said "She did" or "She didn't." He does, however, say that Deepak's next comment is "You'd be surprised how easy it was," which would seem very out of context if his previous comment was "She didn't."
Posted by: dave | Oct 24, 2005 10:40:43 PM

Yes I was also confused by that statement. It seems like if he is saying that answer he gave did not match question that was asked...

[Dan]

When Alana Jordan saw Natalee outside the bar walking normally, that could have been only a few minutes after Natalee finished the drink Joran bought her, and it didn't begin to kick in until a few minutes later, when Deepak was seen leading her back out of the club by the arm.

Precisely my point - now try and prove the drugging. They can't. If they could they would have by now. Also, that will bring in some things I dont think they want into the mix like - what all went down in C and C that night and previous nights. We already know, at least I do, that that isnt something anyone really wants to talk about publically. Case closed.

[!]

I would not be surprized if a drug was added to that drink that was susposely bought for NATALEE by Joran. Double trouble there.

[wreck]

Like I have noted before; at this point, it is not relevant if the tapes are permissible in a court of law. Most likely they are not! That doesn't mean we cannot learn something from them. To hell with making a case in court -- the chances for a court case went out the window in first 10 days. Let's just find the TRUTH and move on. I sincerely believe the Twittys/Holloways would take solace in that. There are too many people here that are more interested in protecting the suspects (or Aruba's reputation) than finding out what really happened. I really cannot figure out the vitriol of both sides at this forum. This forum is the court of public opinion -- not a court of law. No one's opinion is anymore superior to the next one's. Why must a few posters denigrate the opinion of others without making personal snide remarks?
This is just my observation ( as someone who has been at RWV from very early on):
First of all, there is absolutely NO solid evidence to hold the boys. Rational people should agree with that.
HOWEVER, what we don't know is WHY there is no evidence!
Was it a lack of seriousness early on by ALE?
Was it mere incompetence or lack of experience in matters such as these?
Was it corruption?
OR -- was it merely the fact there WAS no evidence to begin with because the boys are completely innocent?
I personally wrestle with this alot and the bottom line is -- NO ONE KNOWS for sure on either side.
That said, in my personal opinion -- I just think that you still must consider the the three boys as the primary suspects. Until a more plausible explanation for their "untruths" come out, or more likely suspects emerge it is only natural for them to remain as the suspects.
I am not calling for a lynching -- as I think this case will never go to trial anyways.
I just have no respect for posters denigrating people that have the OPINION that the boys are probably guilty just as I have no respect for people who will not consider the possibility that they are not.

[pathenry]

One interesting thing I noted, is that Dompig said they couldn't tell if Deepak said "She did" or "She didn't." He does, however, say that Deepak's next comment is "You'd be surprised how easy it was," which would seem very out of context if his previous comment was "She didn't."
Posted by: dave | Oct 24, 2005 10:40:43 PM

The text on the tape read "You'd be surprised how SIMPLE that was"
I make this point because it is even more out of context with Skeeter's question, then the now popular version of easy.

Who says simple when referring to a girl having sex? Now easy...that's another story. IMO

[dugo]

what all went down in C and C that night and previous nights. We already know, at least I do, that that isnt something anyone really wants to talk about publically. Case closed.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 24, 2005 11:40:30 PM

what all went down on the backseat of Deepaks car is none of our business, that isnt something Joran really wants to talk about publically. Case closed.

[chip]

when the skeeters tapes came ou around sep 15
i thought they may blow this case wide open....they may have though not in the way i was expecting

i spent a lot of time saying of course they are edited..but at the time i trusted the editor

after reading the un-edited joran transcript i hope one day we can see a transcript from this

actually i think there is a bright side....when the kalpoes were re-arrested it was reported there were going to be murder charges filed. that to me was a dark day

but still we have no real evidence......& so i hope that natalee is alive..........which to me has always been the best case scenario.....

[IamRosie]

"If that were the case then why even bother sending it off to Holland?

Posted by: dave | Oct 24, 2005 11:08:43 PM"

Does anyone else think that if ALE doesn't send this to Netherlands that there will be more cries of "cover-up"? It's better PR for ALE to send it, genuine or faked.

[BamaRN]

The fact of the matter is if Natalee was slipped Rohypnol or GHB she would be rendered totally unconscious within 5 to 10 minutes and she would have remained totally unconscious for 6 to 12 hours, and she would not be going in and out of consciousness.

Going in and out of consciousness would be more consistent with consuming alcohol..not being drugged with Rohypnol or GHB. However, mixing alcohol with Ecstasy would produce similar symptoms.

There is still another problem that need's to be addressed. I just recieved an Google alert and it states: Beth Twitty claims to have a transcript of a police interview with Joran Van Der Sloot in which he claims he had sex with Natalee while she went in and out of consciousness,BUT Dompig says that the Dutch teen NEVER MADE SUCH A STATEMENT TO THE POLICE!!!!
It's time for Beth Twitty to come clean and stop all this lying and fabricating false evidence in an effort to Hang Joran and both Kalpoe brothers.

I stated several month's ago that Beth Twitty's alleged police reports were a fraud and for her to post these so called reports on the internet so the entire world could see for theirself what the reports actually stated, But before she posted them she needed to have them certified and notarized by the Arubian prosecutor and/or the Aruba Law Enforcement as being authentic.

[Jon]

The text on the tape read "You'd be surprised how SIMPLE that was"
I make this point because it is even more out of context with Skeeter's question, then the now popular version of easy.

Who says simple when referring to a girl having sex? Now easy...that's another story. IMO

Posted by: pathenry

S: "I bet she had sex with all of you."

D: "She did. You'd be surprised how simple it was."

Makes sense, certainly far more sense than "She didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it was." That makes no sense at all.

Most native English speakers in that context would probably have said "easy" instead of "simple", but altho Deepak's English is pretty good, he is not a native English speaker.

Could also have been a bit of a Freudian slip... "simple" is an adjective you would use to describe a plan.

[shonane]

Maybe I'm wrong but something still smells real fishy here. Dan

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You aren't wrong. It's a several week old TUNA party.

[BamaRN]

The proof of alcohol is double it's percent of alcohol. This means that 40 percent alcohol is 80 proof and 75.5 percent alcohol is 151 proof and 95 percent alcohol is 190 proof or pure grain alcohol.

Whats does this mean to a drinker or to those unaware,drinking one shot of 151 proof alcohol is equal to drinking 2 shots of 80 proof alcohol.

There is no telling how much of what proof of alcohol were contained in the foot tall plastic drink containers at Carlos and Charlie's that the MB kids were drinking. My guess would be that each foot tall plastic drink container had 3 to 5 shots of alcohol in each drink which would be 3 to 5 ounces of alcohol.

[shonane]

If anyone is impaired from drinking, it would be a result of their own drinking! This was such a strange statement.

Posted by: Jami
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Beth has accused that the JK2s drugged Natalee. That is the only reasons for anyone making a reference to "impaired from own drinking" with the unwritten "and not drugged by the JK2s."

[shonane]

Even if it was only from the 151, it doesn't make her at fault for a person to mistreat or lose her.. She was last with Joran (I have other names). He is responsible for getting her home safely.

Or is that just a southern gentleman thing?

Posted by: Jami |
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Joran in his taped interview with First Edition indicated that he felt remorse for not having made sure that she arrived ok at her hotel, even though he said at the time that it seemed to be ok to leave her because that is what she wanted. He too know that this was proper behavior.

[BamaRN]

If I remember correctly, Alana Jordan stated that Natalee looked tipsy and she was standing unassisted beside Joran...not Deepak outside of Carlos and Charlie's. If I remember correctly, Alana and Natalee were friends and I believe this version to be the correct one.

Another version of the story goes that she was being held by the arm and being helped to walk by Deepak.

[GrannyToad]

I fell over when on Abrams Dompig said there was a problem because the "transcriptions dont 100% match the tapes".
EXCUSE ME??? skeeters sent a transcription with the cd and it doest match?????
edited, adulterated and bogus imo
DEFINITELY useless in a court.
Posted by: VC | Oct 24, 2005 11:07:25 PM

As usual the translation to Dutch.

[chance]

The tape is pointless from a legal standpoint. Even IF it is real and IF it is allowed in court for some reason it is still not enough to prove anything. Even assuming all 3 are guilty. All Deepak has to do is to deny saying what has been reported or simply claim he was lying to Skeeter. They would still need a confession. At this point, without a body and no evidence a confession is the only way to get a conviction. Even if Nat's remains were found they would tell investigators very little after all this time.

[shonane]

Beth was interviewed by Joe Scarbrough tonight. She says all three boys should be locked up. She seems to indicate that she will pursue this case until she dies.

I was preoccupied with writing bills during the interview and thought I heard her say VDS was back. Probably misheard something here. Did anyone else hear this interview?

[A]

BETH IS NOT A LIAR ! PLEEZ LIGHTEN UP ON THE LADY !!

[kin]

There is still another problem that need's to be addressed. I just recieved an Google alert and it states: Beth Twitty claims to have a transcript of a police interview with Joran Van Der Sloot in which he claims he had sex with Natalee while she went in and out of consciousness,BUT Dompig says that the Dutch teen NEVER MADE SUCH A STATEMENT TO THE POLICE!!!!
It's time for Beth Twitty to come clean and stop all this lying and fabricating false evidence in an effort to Hang Joran and both Kalpoe brothers.
Posted by: BamaRN | Oct 25, 2005 12:29:32 AM

You have this all wrong! BETH IS NOT LYING according to DOPIG. In fact, he backs up Beth's claims in an interview with Rita Cosby that I posted below.

Beth has always said Joran's statements re: "consciousness" related to "SEXUAL ACTS" committed against Natalee. She's never said "SEX" and according to Dopig is doesn't have to be to still be considered a "FELONY". Again, see the interview I posted below!

To the poster who believes Natalee knew about "151" do you think Joran knows about "belly shots"? When a PIMP party boy like him claims ignorance (on CA) that's good for a good laugh.

Which is it? Was Natalee so DRUNK she was up on the bar dancing and doing belly shots or was she almost SOBER when she left C&C? You all can't have it both ways.

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Rita Cosby “Live & Direct’ interview with Gerold Dompig, Dave Holloway and Jamie Skeeters.

Rita: Did any of these three ever admit to having sex with Natalee at any point chief?

Dompig: No, they did not. They keep denying it, they only went as far as to say that they fondled sexually, at least Joran did that. The others denied everything.

Rita: We have heard from the family chief that Joran stated that she was going in and out of consciousness, did you see that anywhere?

Dompig: Yes, that is definitely in the statements. That is why we were kind of disappointed when the judge didn’t accept that. That is basically a felony in Aruba.

[Honey]

I fell over when on Abrams Dompig said there was a problem because the "transcriptions dont 100% match the tapes".
EXCUSE ME??? skeeters sent a transcription with the cd and it doest match?????
edited, adulterated and bogus imo
DEFINITELY useless in a court.
Posted by: VC | Oct 24, 2005 11:07:25 PM

As usual the translation to Dutch.

Posted by: GrannyToad | Oct 25, 2005 1:24:37 AM

No. Read the transcript for Greta's show when
it comes out. Dompig used the example of the
"she did/she didn't" comment.

[Honey]

Beth has always said Joran's statements re: "consciousness" related to "SEXUAL ACTS" committed against Natalee.
Posted by: kin | Oct 25, 2005 2:58:31 AM

Actually, she usually says "sexual assault" or "rape".

[pathenry]

Posted by: Jon | Oct 25, 2005 12:36:19 AM

I don't know whether he said she did, or didn't....I think the whole tape is cut and pasted to make Deepak appear to say whatever message Skeeters wanted from him. Nice video of the taping...How unfortunate that you can only see the back of Deepak's head, thereby excuding the possibility of reading deepaks lips. Makes you wonder why they didn't want to show the lips flowing from his mouth.

[BamaRN]

Kin,

Well then Dompig must be running around from interview to interview then and telling people what they want to hear.
The Google alert states exactly what I said it stated and I dont have it wrong as you suggest.
here is the link check it out yourself:
http://crime.about.com/b/a/212841.htm

Dompig is referring to Beth's alleged police statements that Beth claims that she has in her possession. Beth has been on TV many times referring to the police documents and she has stated as fact during the TV interviews to both Greta and Nancy Disgrace that Joran and the Kalpos admitted to committing sexual assault against Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness. On the next interview she would substitute the words sexaul acts for sexual assault. I have these interviews video taped and I have the program transcripts...I know what Beth stated.

I dont know if Dompig or Rita or the person who wrote the about.com alert but it's obvious some one is wrong and its looks like it is Dompig.

The alleged police statements that Beth claims that she has in her possession have never been notarized and certified by the Aruba prosecutor or the Aruba law enforcement as authentic offical police documents that contains Joran and the Kalpoe brothers confession statements.

If Beth actually has these documents then she needs to post them on the internet or print them in newspapers so everyone can see them.
Beth's words are not very credible and she has lost her credibility with many other millions of people in the USA and around the world and lots of people on this very blog.

Actually Natalee was fairly drunk when she left C&C's with Joran and this was stated as fact by Natalee's friend named Alana Jordan in an interview.

We would not have know that Natalee was laying on the bar doing bellyshots with Joran until he stated so in his CA interview.

It was rather convenient that Natalee's friends who were right there with her at C&C's watched her do the bellyshot thing with Joran and they forgot to mention anything at all about Natalee doing the bellyshots with Joran during their TV interviews. I wonder why they forgot Natalee doing the bellyshot thing with Joran??
I also wonder what all else the MB kids have lied about and why they have a severe case of lock jaw and refuse to speak???Who and what are they protecting and most of all why??

Since Beth also brought up the subject that she knew for a fact that Natalee was a virgin when she went to Aruba, I have it from a better source that Natalee was not a virgin when she went to Aruba and she had already been sexually active for a several years.

[Brooke]

For the chief of police, Dompig, to go on cable and talk about the case is outrageous, he is spreading nothing more than RUMORS! He should be fired!

A bad case getting stranger.

Beth and her entourage of bad cable talking heads
took a case and made it into a mockery, her and the Jug. One would have to wonder why a parent would spread all those lies about the case unless they had something they were hiding.

The Jughead and Beth should be investigated as to why they would go on every cable station that would have them. insisting the guilt of several people.
Something is just not right about this whole thing including Dompig spreading rumors.

[MF]

As usual the translation to Dutch.

Posted by: GrannyToad | Oct 25, 2005 1:24:37 AM

No Grannys, not only translation, but the transcript of what has been said too.

[berry]

The taping of the back of allegedly what is Deepak's head, proves to anyone the tapes were not made in an above-board fashion. It appears Deepak could not see he was being taped and his lack of consent is therefore construed. A consent taping would have shown his face, his expressions and his body language - none of which was captured by Skeeters.

I thought on Abrams, Dompig said the tape and transcript do not exactly match. On FOX he said that the words are clear until, the only part that matters - words to the effect "We all had sex with her". For some reason, right there, Dompig says the audio is questionable and not clear as to what is being said.

He described the DA as "astonished". But she may have been astonished that stupid Deepak ran his mouth to a stranger for 2 hours - not necessarily at how he "confessed" to anything.

[berry]

The chief has also informed Beth or her lawyer that he wants to re-interview her. He wants to know about her last phone call from Natalee. BT says she never talked to Natalee when Natalee was in Aruba. The chief must have reason to think otherwise, or a last phone call in the US set up clues to what she did and who she met in Aruba.

Supposedly he wants to see if there were any clues in her conversation about people she was meeting etc.

In addition Dompig also said he wants to talk to the tour kids. He wants to know who they met and spoke to in Aruba and details about Natalee, I think.

It does not sound to me that Dompig is narrowly focused on the trio. In fact, though BT seemed oblivious to the import, it sounds as though the chief has developed a need or information to re-think the AL kids' role in this.

He has thrown BT a bone relevant to the tapes - but the fact is he wants more from not only her, but the tour party.

[dontbelieveu]

Since Beth also brought up the subject that she knew for a fact that Natalee was a virgin when she went to Aruba, I have it from a better source that Natalee was not a virgin when she went to Aruba and she had already been sexually active for a several years.

Posted by: BamaRN | Oct 25, 2005 5:19:41 AM

Please cite source. If not name then ie friend of Natalee, family member etc. If it is from priviledged medical info, you should not be disclosing that info BamaRN.

[Justice4All]

Please

If someone went thru the trouble of editing tapes, tapes that are so pivotal to an investigation,,,,,wouldn't they at the least make sure the transcripts and the tape are the same?

Sounds to me like a setup already underway in Holland to again stifle the resolution of this case. Oh ya know lets just call it "language problems"

[justthefactspls]

He is responsible for getting her home safely.
Or is that just a southern gentleman thing?
Posted by: Jami | Oct 24, 2005 11:02:04 PM

He's 17, she's 18, older by almost a year, regardless of if she knew he was younger. She's an adult who's clearly responsible for herself. If she couldn't be responsible for herself, she wouldn't have been on a trip with activites like that.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Great post, Dan! "Case closed"...I agree.

[justthefactspls]

Sounds to me like a setup already underway in Holland to again stifle the resolution of this case. Oh ya know lets just call it "language problems"
Posted by: Justice4All | Oct 25, 2005 8:25:11 AM

I'm still waiting for proof of any of this. Proof of assault. Proof of murder. Proof of a coverup that involves at least three countries.

[Jon]

I thought on Abrams, Dompig said the tape and transcript do not exactly match. On FOX he said that the words are clear until, the only part that matters - words to the effect "We all had sex with her". For some reason, right there, Dompig says the audio is questionable and not clear as to what is being said.

Posted by: berry

Yes, and that is more evidence that ALE are either clueless clowns, or trying to avoid solving this case (or both). The tape has been played on TV about 10,000 times, but only now do they decide it's fine until the most important part, and then suddenly it's unclear? It's fortunate that Skeeters did play the tape publicly before giving it to ALE, so we know that excuse is more BS: In the very next sentence Deepak confirms he said "did" by saying how simple it was. If Deepak actually said "didn't" then how come he didn't explain that after the tapes came out? Instead he claimed it was doctored, because that's what he has to claim, he has more brains than ALE and can figure out that in context what he says is not ambiguous. Either the tapes are doctored and the comment about how simple it was was actually in response to something else, or Deepak admitted to sex. So if Holland confirms they are not doctored, it's game over on that issue. However I don't expect Holland to confirm that, instead they will either say they can't tell (even tho authentication of tapes can be done very easily by the fBI) or the tapes will simply disappear down the memory hole never to be heard of again. This latest ALE "did or didn't" spin is a joke and just shows they have no respect for our intelligence.

[justthefactpls]

the tapes will simply disappear down the memory hole never to be heard of again.
Posted by: Jon | Oct 25, 2005 8:45:35 AM

Like much of the other "mind-blowing evidence" that's been put forth so far.

I'll settle for evidence, it doesn't need to be mind blowing, just credible. People question the credibility of the tapes because it was aired on a television show weeks after it was made, only in parts, and then it takes another few weeks to hand over the the only people with authority in this case. The tape is questioned because of how it was made, is it a continuous tape saved on magnetic strip, is it digital media, is it a computer edit, and why was it not handed over when the prosecutors were appealing the Kalpoes release in September.

Like I said, it don't need to be stunned or amazed, just show me something credible and real.

[Jon]

Since Beth also brought up the subject that she knew for a fact that Natalee was a virgin when she went to Aruba, I have it from a better source that Natalee was not a virgin when she went to Aruba and she had already been sexually active for a several years.

Posted by: BamaRN | Oct 25, 2005 5:19:41 AM

Please cite source. If not name then ie friend of Natalee, family member etc. If it is from priviledged medical info, you should not be disclosing that info BamaRN.

Posted by: dontbelieveu

A few weeks before going to Aruba, Natalee told at least one of her friends that she was saving herself for marriage. My source is the friend's mother.

Also, on SM, the Aruban poster Bon Dia (who I believe works for paper Bon Dia) is saying that according to C. Croes, Joran himself said that Natalee told him she was a virgin.

[Betsy]

The next thing I'm expecting to hear on this tape is "PAUL IS DEAD"! I don't think much of any of it seems to flow as if it's truly answers to the previous questions.

I ask again and again - what kind of SUSPECT in a possible MURDER case would ADMIT on a TAPE to having SEX with the probable DECEASED? COME ON, PEOPLE!!!!!

[Heli]

Beth has said that Natalee didn't call home. Beth has never said that SHE Beth never called Natalee in Aruba.

In his 38 years of being a cop, is that the way Skeeters videotaped suspect confessions....showing only the back of the suspect's head I THINK NOT

Is it polygraphers' protocol to videotape an interviewee's back while performing the exam? I THINK NOT!

Is it unreasonable to suggest that the videocam being placed behind Deepak is indicative of the fact Deepak didn't know he was being videotaped. Protocol should dictate that the date, time, place of the interview forms part of the tape as well as the express acknowledgement and consent of Deepak to the videotaping. Wonder if it is?

Even when there's a complainant to testify, DNA and physical evidence, RAPE is a difficult charge to convict on. And we're supposed to believe that with some half baked alleged confession and Twitty's belief Natalee was drugged somebody will be charged with RAPE in the absence of the complainant or any physical evidence? Who are these TH's kidding -- these attorneys should be disbarred for publicly promoting such BS.

[wreck]

I ask again and again - what kind of SUSPECT in a possible MURDER case would ADMIT on a TAPE to having SEX with the probable DECEASED? COME ON, PEOPLE!!!!!

Posted by: Betsy | Oct 25, 2005 9:16:55 AM
Does anyone think we are dealing with mental giants here?

[Rubby]

Dan's motives are self serving.

Joran and his posse had their way with the naive American girl.

She saw Aruba as a paradise and Joran as a romantic world traveler, and in Dan's warped, jealous mind, thinks she deserved what she got. "Stupid slut" ...right Dan?

She had no intentions of having sexual intercourse with Joran Van Sloot, she did see the possiblilty of a long distance relationship I am sure until he opened his mouth. That is when she realized she was not in a good situation but it was way too late.

Gang banging an American virgin, a southern girl no less.

[Jon]

Beth has said that Natalee didn't call home. Beth has never said that SHE Beth never called Natalee in Aruba.

Posted by: Heli

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure I've seen Beth say that the last time she spoke to Natalee was before she left for Aruba.