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Good for Dave! I wouldn't be surprised if Natalee was found in the Aruban landfill. 5 days of digging that site was not enough. It took 3 months to find the body of Lori Hacking in that Utah landfill.

So Dave also beleives Joran know what happened to Natalee.

Hate to be negative but remember what happened last time they dug in the landfill? They dug for days and then someone went in and filled hole when they weren't there. That will happen again. Dave will have to camp there. The police won't help because they are part of the cover up. I feel for Dave. He is a good man that simply wants his daughter back or answers to what happened to her.

TomT - I think that too - he was the last to be seen with her, but at least Dave handles it well and doesn't bash Joran. He just simply states facts and how he feels about it. I admire that. I also admire the fact that he is "getting his hands dirty" literally in hopes of find his daughter...he truly wants to find her

After two weeks of digging/searching the dumpsite, the Aruban authorities suddenly refilled them due to some "misunderstanding". SOUNDED LIKE THE SEARCH WAS ON TO SOMETHING!

Good Luck to him! I hope he finds the answers he is looking for.

I think they were on to something too. I mean, how ironic is that? They just happened to refill the hole that the search team had been digging in. Noooooo.....no cover up there.

Good for Dave.

I understand Dave's desire to do this. He is an absolutely stellar, fine person.

But isn't it very likely that Natalee fell, or was placed into the water? If so, further searching is pointless.

Good for him, Good luck Dave. Just like the landfill, this whole case stinks.

He has his way. Just let him do it. It's his daughter. He knows what he's doing.

dave arubas prayers are with you, may the lord guide you to the much needed answer

I still think that Natalee's body was dumped into the ocean.

But I wish Dave all the best--What a horrible thing to to face--to hope that you find your daughter's body-- in a landfill. Awful!

Hate to be negative but remember what happened last time they dug in the landfill? They dug for days and then someone went in and filled hole when they weren't there. That will happen again. Dave will have to camp there. The police won't help because they are part of the cover up. I feel for Dave. He is a good man that simply wants his daughter back or answers to what happened to her.

They filled the hole back in cuz there was nothing in it!!!!

But I hope he finds his daughter soon.

Dave is a true picture of a father's love for his little girl. He does not seem to care about fanfare, fluff or accusations. He stays focused on finding his little girl.

I hope he finds her and she can be laid to rest in his heart.

I know Dave and his family read this blog so I want you to know that there are a lot of people who support you.

You are one of the few courageous people in this story and we won't give up either.

I'm not religious but your words are very spiritual. Your ability to forgive is no doubt with natalee. She's in a better place.

God Bless you Dave.

If I'm not going to be the one to solve this case, no one will."

Sadly missionary zeal with no experience fails just as well as accusing with no evidence.

The conflict between the parents needs a fair and balanced examination.

Appears someone wants to be the hero for NH, could that have been the course of the parenting all her life. Could be a reason for going missing. Many others have gone missing from good christian homes that were a battleground of parental infighting and dominance.

Hate to be negative but remember what happened last time they dug in the landfill? They dug for days and then someone went in and filled hole when they weren't there. That will happen again. Dave will have to camp there. The police won't help because they are part of the cover up. I feel for Dave. He is a good man that simply wants his daughter back or answers to what happened to her.

They filled the hole back in cuz there was nothing in it!!!!


Then why were the searchers so upset? How would they know nothing was there? Who were they to take it upon themselves to decide...nothing is there. That makes no sense. They had done all that work only to have it filled again. It was said that there was a "misunderstanding" and that is how the hole managed to get filled again. There was no "misunderstanding". They knew exactly what they were doing. Natalee's body may not be there but something is. It was not an accident or misunderstanding.

You wait, if they come close to something again in the dig, it will get filled again. Of course, I'm sure it will be by accident / misunderstanding.

But isn't it very likely that Natalee fell, or was placed into the water? If so, further searching is pointless.

Posted by: Finally! | Oct 5, 2005 12:29:14 PM

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The dogs were making hits, they had a witness (no, don't whine, this guy had a pretty good story and stuck to it, and dug!), and the clincher is how quickly the govt came and FILLED IT BACK UP.
And don't forget the guy who oversees that dump is the father of a good friend of Joran who I think I read spends the night at Joran's house.

All things added together - if might be that she wasn't thrown over the cliff by the rogue cop, but instead taken to the dump and covered with the little plastic swimming pool - wonder where the pool is that was next door in the picture??? hmmm

DH probably has a ton more reasons to dig than we know, but the fact he is centered there says something. And don't forget, if he finds other bodies in there that have been disposed of --- that blows Aruba right out of the water!!!! and this case wide open.

I am so happy to hear this !!!!

I alwas though somthing wass wierd with the fire and the covering up of the holes that were dug.

Wohhoooooooooooooo go Dave!!!

Appears someone wants to be the hero for NH, could that have been the course of the parenting all her life. Could be a reason for going missing. Many others have gone missing from good christian homes that were a battleground of parental infighting and dominance.

Posted by: paul | Oct 5, 2005 1:20:20 PM

You mean the hero Joran who wanted to carry her back to the hotel? If she had only listened to joran she would be safe. If she hadn't persuaded Joran to come out that night, (how did she do that, call him?) If she hadn't been so wanting to have sex with him on the beach right?

So she want missing because of bad parenting? More Beth attacks I see.

p.s. Unless she accidentally fell off the cliff or whatever, I have reservations that locals would risk throwing her indiscriminatly into the water or even taking her "out". There are way too many dives around that island by tourists -- all they would need is for a tourist to find a trace of her - and they'd be sunk.

and by the way./....WHY AREN'T THEY LEANING ON

VAN DER STRATTEN over in Holland?????? Why isn't his name brought up all the time???

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:32:31 PM

One cop will blow this case open. One courageous cop who may respond to Dave's spirituality.

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:36:40 PM

Think there are any phone records searched between Paulus and Van straaten?

One cop will blow this case open. One courageous cop who may respond to Dave's spirituality.

Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2005 1:36:52 PM

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good point. Even one crack head that doesn't disappear would do the trick. I feel that whole island knows.

Did you see what one poster said last week? -- the family is in Holland because of local pressure? I don't know if I should believe that -- but I do keep asking where the other 2 kids are going to school this year and am getting no feedback. I do see it reported that Anita is back teaching this year - but we see her on videos on the news --- so I wonder about that.

but I do wonder what the undercurrent of the locals is to this family. They are the ones who may have some deepseated religion going. Are most cops also locals or Dutch?

"...the family is in Holland because of local pressure?"

Maria--do you have any thoughts on this? How do you think most Arubans feel toward the VDS family?

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:42:14 PM

If you look at the Order of Lawyers statement it sure appears that the police are being pressured by the politicians. It's the police that are most at risk here.

I mean who handles evidence, can create false evidence, make evidence disappear, if this case is all about evidence it's about the police.

They are being accused of being inept or corrupt. 2 bad options that is causing paralysis. They don't want to admit to either.

It only takes one.

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:36:40 PM

Think there are any phone records searched between Paulus and Van straaten?

Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2005 1:39:32 PM

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I wondered why none of Paulus's phone records were talked about. He would have been directing the operation of taking care of things. Even the house phone - there should be substantiated phone calls to the house shouldn't there of Joran supposedly calling him?

and if there aren't why isn't the judge holding him on an alibi that doesn't hold up?

If there is solid evidence along these lines --- doesn't it make you wonder why Beth and Jug and Dave are holding back that information? You know she had to have that info given to her by the FBI.
I mean, that right there would have been weight to hold Paulus, and if it is known and he wasn't held --- I'd make that public so fast your head would spin.

I do remember the authorities saying something about evidence that is made public before the trial would be no good in the trial -- BUT NOW I DOUBT ANYTHING ARUBA SAYS - so screw that rule - I'd tell it to the public so the public can help.

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:42:14 PM

If you look at the Order of Lawyers statement it sure appears that the police are being pressured by the politicians. It's the police that are most at risk here.

I mean who handles evidence, can create false evidence, make evidence disappear, if this case is all about evidence it's about the police.

They are being accused of being inept or corrupt. 2 bad options that is causing paralysis. They don't want to admit to either.

It only takes one.

Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2005 1:48:21 PM

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Wow - I see what you mean now. Thanks.

I had not really delved into that yet. Really good point. Remember that really dippy policeman who came on TV a couple of times early in the case? I didn't like him. Wonder if any of Deepak's friends are on the force and would like to clear the Kalpoes' names?

Posted by: ustt | Oct 5, 2005 1:49:55 PM

Essentially all the people who would do this work were his coworkers, some probably friends, I mean he worked with them on these very things. Hopefully at least one person will stand up but you may be right, it could spoil the case. Then again, why not start with lessor charges.

Frank,

I am also with you in hoping that DH finds answers.

Godspeed.

Van staaten is gone, and I'll bet that the day before any information is release as to what was done or wasn't done, Janssen will be in Holland also.

I hope the Arubans can see what these people have done to them, not Beth.

So she want missing because of bad parenting? More Beth attacks I see.

Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2005 1:35:03 PM

You don't read before you respond. I accused no one of murder. I espoused an opinion you seem to disdain because you want a murder. What part of murder and accusation please you so much.

Are you advocating the kind of cop that will get the answer you want no matter who gets killed. Just because frank say so.

I have been divorced for 11 years. I still help out if one of step kids need help. But I do not really care for exwife.

I suppose oh great frank that makes me sick.

What is sick is mommy and daddy fighting over who is going to discover the facts - if any really exist. If mommy and daddy can not join forces to find a "missing" daughter and in fact by Dave reports in MSM that he knows little or nothing of tapes and confessions, areasoning toad would question the cause. Thank goodness frank is not reasoning but blindly following in faith of BHT. I got a bridge in san fran for you frank.

Now run away like you did before.

Unfortunately, I believe that the only way they will find Natalee or, at least, find out what happened to her, is if Joran or his other 2 musketeers spill what really happened. They have lied so much, and now they expect everyone to believe that his latest in a line stories is the truth. If you had nothing to hide, Joran, why the lies? The truth (and only the truth) will set you free...truly free.

I wish Dave, and his family, the best...and pray that this next visit will uncover either Natalee, or clues to her disappearance. People just don't disappear into thin air without help.

I may be remembering this wrong - but I think I heard the prosecutor say you have to put on the biggest charge, and can work down.
I may be wrong on that.

But it's of no matter. Just charge them with what you know you can take to trial...but mostly WHAT YOU CAN HOLD THEM TIGHTLY ON...and get them back in here and put them in a vice.

Beth and Jug and Dave and Dave's wife aren't worried about a conviction, they want to know where Natalee is - and squeezing these guys and making them very discomforted is where you do that.

What happened to Helen LeJuez? I thought if she was a straight shooter - of all the people who would know how to play the game it would have been her. If she is off the case - I'd say she was a wolf in the camp.

Working your way through Aruba, trying to find you daughter must be like walking through a bed of rattle snakes. I feel so bad for this family. One never knows who the enemy is.

I've gone back and forth between lots of theories, but have always felt that Joran, his Dad and his Dad's contacts are the ones who know what happened that night. I don't think any of them have told the whole truth about what transpired. In my heart of hearts I wish she were alive in some foreign country, but I just don't think that is probably the case.

My heart goes out to Dave H as he comes across as a very caring, grounded Dad, but I'm afraid he is not going to find what he is looking for on land. I wish him God's speed and all the best!

Posted by: paul | Oct 5, 2005 2:00:03 PM

I have no idea what you just posted, I really don't. What does the Dave and Beth relationship have to do with this case?

Mommy and daddy?

And if they DO find Natalee's remains at the landfill, are they going to lock those 3 back up again? Seems like they don't want her to be found because it would make the Aruban authorities look even MORE like the idiots they are for letting 3 killers/rapists go free. This is one of the worst coverups I've ever been unfortunate enough to witness.

Well, thanks for the information on the police stuff frank.
Talk to you all later, gotta run.

bye for now

Natalee's blood is all over Joran's hands, and he fled the country to attempt to cleanse them. But the Good Lord willing, he will get what is coming to him. Try telling the truth, Joran. You'll get a heckuva lot more respect for that than for running away.

I have no idea what you just posted, I really don't. What does the Dave and Beth relationship have to do with this case?

Mommy and daddy?

Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2005 2:11:20 PM

Simple so you can misunderstand puposefully.

Most children of divorced parents who fight over control run away at least once. Most often they run from one parent to another. Using parents is a skill learned from watching parents use each other. BHT is controlling person - can only look at facts one way, will not accept fact that allowing daughter to go to Aruba was a mistake,(Dont tell me Aruban government can stop crime when US can not), will not speak the phrase (SHE IS DEAD). Control leads to denial.

Fathjer gets backdoored every time he goes on TV by some newly created or discovered revelation from mother. Would this ignite resentment in usual person. Most likely. How many times has the same "I've got a secret game" been played out between the Holloway mommy and daddy in front of the child.

The parents have demonstrated on MSM a total lack of communication between each other when daughter is missing. Is this just an amplfication of a life time of competeing for the prize that is NH.

Considering photographic evidence exists (per Dan) that the mothers perception of daughter is not the reality does lend creedence to suspicion that NH may have run off.

I know mountain brook very well. Went to the high school and lived there. The infighting in familys over trivialities as well as the fighting between familys over pittances has been a daily part of my life. The behavior in the holloway twitty conclave fits the pattern.

I am not bashing BHT. My step daughter was raped and Birmingham court let rapist go. I have a better perspective on how they feel than any of you do. If my ex wife and I could not have gotten along in this time the kid would probably be a basket case.

Caan you see yet.

Dave conducts himself with dignity as always unlike what Beth and Jug have done. It angers me to know Dave has stood int hat landfill digging through filth looking while beth and Jug sat in air conditioning talking on tv 24-7. Where was Jug to help? But yet the Twittys supposedly need millions for "searches"? right. The only thing I have seen them do witht that money is pay attorneys and why they needed so many I don't get, and pay "expenses" yah - expenses ok

Dave conducts himself with dignity as always unlike what Beth and Jug have done. It angers me to know Dave has stood in a landfill digging through filth looking while beth and Jug sat in air conditioning talking on tv 24-7. Where was Jug to help? But yet the Twittys supposedly need millions for "searches"? right. The only thing I have seen them do witht that money is pay attorneys and why they needed so many I don't get, and pay "expenses" yah - expenses ok

Excuse me - double post! Tried to correct a typing error very quickly but did not catch it in time I see

prob is what if he is telling the truth. I have always thought sometimes when you want someone to be guilty bad enough. you look over other options. maybe that is why they can't find evidence. Which means they still screwed up this case. It could of gave someone else 3 month to hide the evidence

Posted by: paul | Oct 5, 2005 2:34:18 PM

No I don't. You are describing a motive for someone to runaway, fair enough. But no explaination as to how she could have from a drunken state left on the beach. It seems if she wanted to run away, why wait until the last night in Aruba, a country she doesn't even know.

She was going off to college, typically the true moment of freedom for most kids fortunate enought to go away.

So the leap from a potential motive to executing a worldwide story and mystery without any evidence, and to do it after being drunk and rejected by Joran on an Aruban beach, with a 1 million dollar bounty on her head seems unlikely. I'm assuming she would need some help. So how did she pulls this whole thing off without being seen, without any evidence that we know of?

And without being returned for 1 million dollars?

Paul,

Why would Natalee need to run away from anyone?....she is 18 and can go anywhere she wanted...she was also headed to college away form her parent anyway.

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