Natalee Holloway: Troubling Details

I first dealt with the issue of cell phone calls here. One thing that troubled me was hearing that a female friend of Natalee's thought she had missed a call from Natalee's cell phone in the late hours of the night she disappeared. I dismissed that as possibly having originated from the chaperone who used Natalee's phone the next day to call her friends for more information.

For the first time today I have been given information which suggests Natalee Holloway actually had her cell phone with her the night she was at Carlos and Charlies. Yet, Beth Twitty is said to have found her cell phone in her room. I presume the chaperone returned it there - which seems a bit strange, perhaps - but likely not significant. Still, it is significant that she had her phone with her that night and some investigators are said to now believe she actually return to her room that night after having been at Carlos and Charlies.

That might also explain why the DNA was thought to be a significant find. But, that DNA - though obtained through a faulty process - was tested and didn't match any of the three suspects. Hmmm. This thing is getting more and more strange everyday - and I didn't think that was possible.

Damn!

Comments

[Jami]

Calrep,
I agree 100% this place is crazy, and the most hateful blog I have ever in my life visited. Why?

Goodbye Dan. and Goodluck, because with crap like this Luck is all you need..

And to all you regulars here, I pray you never have a child missing.

[td]

Was it a camera phone?, maybe she took her own phone with her to take some last night pictures. If someone saw her at C&C with it that could be the source.

[roy]

Posted by: Jami | Oct 13, 2005 8:24:26 PM
Are you really going?

[honey]

And to all the disrespectful punk kids on here who
wants to call her names, can kiss my ass and kiss
everyone else's ass too. Show some fucking respect
for her and the family.
Posted by: erica | Oct 13, 2005 6:53:29 PM

Why? I'm sorry if she's dead and her mother has my
sympathies for her loss but, neither of those things
earns anyone respect. I really hate this political
correctness where Beth should be forgiven for a
calculated and deliberate attempt to railroad 3
boys, just because she lost a loved one. They may or
may not be responsible for Natalie's disappearance;
only the *truth* will resolve it

[DarcyD]

Look, the phone companies (cell or landline) KNOW who's phone is calling who, when, and from where. The fact that the Twittys had Croes listen to that call over and over leads me to believe it was from Natalee. The details did not come out because that interview was heavily edited. My conclusion is that the Twittys know Natalee made some calls, but it doesn't fit in with the timeline. It doesn't make Joran look guilty, or they would be broadcasting the details all over the media. Probably has to do with the time. Beth keeps talking about 4am as the time Paulus picked up Joran. I'll bet the call was made after Joran went online at 3:00am, and it was Natalee from the beach.

Posted by: letsbefair | Oct 13, 2005 4:52:30 PM

ANYONE CAN HAVE BEEN ON LINE, DUH. But I am sure your wild thought is right, that is why to save tourism, the Aruban authorities have got on the news and said, we can release this info now because there will be no trial of Joran because we have proof he was home at 3 and proof NH was at the beach calling on her cell phone and that Joran could not have been with her. So they don't have to keep it secret, no trial as Joran is cleared and can prove to the world he is innocent. When will they be teling us this? Soon. You are so fun to read. What an imagination. Don't have one myself, growing a brain. Hee, hee. Yours is fine, at least your creative no common sense side.

[Not a Hand Wringer]

[[The number of morons on this forum is alarming!]]

if the morons are alarming, are the alarmists moronic?

[DarcyD]

Calrep,
I agree 100% this place is crazy, and the most hateful blog I have ever in my life visited. Why?

Goodbye Dan. and Goodluck, because with crap like this Luck is all you need..

And to all you regulars here, I pray you never have a child missing.

Posted by: Jami | Oct 13, 2005 8:24:26 PM

You're right Jami. There's days these days you have to wonder if it is full of rapists and pedophiles, definitely some people with a deep hostility towards women and plenty of very deeply jealous people, jealous of a mother that lost a child. I pop on rarely, anymore, there are much better sites, no offense towards Dan but it is nowhere near the same, the posters have turned around totally from the decent, at least try to see all sides, to mostly full blown morons present.

[danie]

Apologize if this has been covered...did Dan say some "investigators" are saying Natalee may have returned to her room? I know some posters have stated this (substantiated by 2 or 4 Mt.Brook students). If that is the case, does anyone know if it is possible to get back in the Holiday Inn avoiding all security cameras (would assume more than one at main entrance?)....thanks, danie

[letsbefair]

Just when did Joran say that?

Posted by: DarcyD | Oct 13, 2005 8:18:27 PM

He said it in the Current Affair interview. Too bad the reporter didn't ask any follow-up questions. I guess the show was in a hurry to get to the sex questions. That's what sickos want to hear about. Right?

[roy]

to mostly full blown morons present.

Posted by: DarcyD | Oct 13, 2005 8:33:36 PM

You guys sure are educated and intelligent.
Even your use of language shows this.
Not even talking about the level and scope of your thinking ability.

[*LCG*]

Having read (lurking) most of these posts while doing other computer work, I *objectively* don't see bias or hostilty towards women from most of Dan's regular readers. Reads like the mind-set one would have to have to investigate a crime.

Interesting reading. Thanks.

[blink]

Some of you people are pathetic! There is absolutely no way anyone should trash a mom who has lost her daughter! Do some of you even have a clue about the value of a human life? A parent is entitled to do whatever possible, within the law, to find their child. Some of you people need to get a clue! The number of morons on this forum is alarming!

Posted by: calrep | Oct 13, 2005 8:08:06 P

Yes a parent is entitled to do what ever is possible to find their child, but that should not include spreading lies, rumors and speculations.

Omitting the truth is still considered lying even when a griving parent does it.

Since the Twittys belive so strongly that the ALE botched the case and that there has been a cover up, then it will not matter if they finally spilled those beans they have been holding all summer long.

[JT]

Danie,

One main entrance and one by the pool that was FILLED with people from Mt Brook. You can't enter from the beach area through the sliding glass doors. You must havea pass key to get into any door to access the rooms. If she had access the rooms they would of known it as it would of been recorded. This is ALL OLD news and ANYONE who has followed this case knows it to be old news. She wasn't back at the room.

If she had been back to the room there is no way she would not have been seen by dozens of Mt Brook kids. It would of been all over the news and net. The idea that Mrs Twitty wants to focus on the 3 for some blind reason is ridiculous. Utterly stupid that someone suggests that as has been the case on here. There is security at the front door both camera and securtiy people.

[mona]

If Beth does indeed have Natalee's cell phone it would be quite easy to determine the last time she used it. Got any facts Dan?

[pathenry]

"You can't enter from the beach area through the sliding glass doors. You must havea pass key to get into any door to access the rooms"
Posted by: JT | Oct 13, 2005 8:48:11 PM
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Why wouldn't someone be able to access the beach area from the sliding glass doors? Isn't that one reason some people prefer beach access rooms? I would think the door could have been left unlocked unless you are saying this was impossible for some reason. Are they sealed shut?

[JT]

Pathenry,

You can exit out the door you can't enter. Security reasons.

[islandamethyst]

JT, do the doors open onto some sort of patio or direct to the beach?

[pathenry]

Pathenry,

You can exit out the door you can't enter. Security reasons.

Posted by: JT | Oct 13, 2005 8:57:13 PM

But is it physically impossible for some reason not to be able to enter through those doors if they were left unlocked? I'm far from a teenager, but when I was ....we used to prop something in the door so we could come and go as we pleased, regardless of what security precautions were in place.

[DarcyD]

He said it in the Current Affair interview. Too bad the reporter didn't ask any follow-up questions. I guess the show was in a hurry to get to the sex questions. That's what sickos want to hear about. Right?

Posted by: letsbefair | Oct 13, 2005 8:42:12 PM

Unless you are being facetious, and it is difficult to tell, I will actually agree with you on the sickos wanting to hear about the sex questions. Never expected to agree with you...

To tell you the truth, I have quit watching most all of it. Did not watch the full Joran interview, and hardly ever watch the news about this anymore. Check in here once in awhile, read a bit, hardly post and leave. I don't take MSM's word for anything, I am not anti-Beth but realize the media uses her and her desperation and frustration, false info she may be fed and fear she may yet ruin what little cooperation she gets in Aruba may color her remarks. I also don't take Dan's word for anything, not meaning offense towards him, but unnamed sources are unnamed sources, unverified remarks are unverified remarks and simply hearsay when repeated. I have my opinions but am willing to change them BASED on facts. I still care, I still read but there is never anything new and factual and I suspect if and when there ever is, I will hear it on any and all news stations, whatever channel I may have on.

As for Joran saying that on A Current Affair, that also holds NO water with me. Not a credible source is he. What is the old fable? Crying Wolf? One should not lie because if you ever do tell the truth (and I don't believe his latest story is the truth, that is my right), no one will believe you and they have reason not to, you have lied a time or two before.

[letsbefair]

Yes a parent is entitled to do what ever is possible to find their child, but that should not include spreading lies, rumors and speculations.

Omitting the truth is still considered lying even when a griving parent does it.

Since the Twittys belive so strongly that the ALE botched the case and that there has been a cover up, then it will not matter if they finally spilled those beans they have been holding all summer long.

Posted by: blink | Oct 13, 2005 8:46:18 PM

Exactly,

But I'm afraid that those "beans" are 1 in a very long line of falsehoods. Including Paulus failing the "ethics" portion of the judgeship, Joran's drug dealing half brother, Joran's drugged and raped women from around the world, Joran's "unlimited" line of credit (not bad for a 17yr old without a job), Joran's nine lawyers.
Oh but Natalee thought she was getting into a taxi, Natalee didn't know what 151 was (tastes like Diet Pepsi). "I did not have a conversation with him" - "I want my daughter back and I want her now" "what do you want me to do" - is that not a conversation? I'm asking people not to travel to Aruba, but it's not a boycott. What?

Yeah, we need to cut Beth some more slack...

[iquitos]

- i think we have established that there was a camera in the lobby but not outside the main entrance.

- just leave the sliding door sligthly ajar and you can enter that way. i think greta actually opened the door on camera IMMSMR.

[Shari]

JT,
Since you claim to know Natalee's SAT scores in a previous thread, could you possibly be Jug Twitty?

By the way, 227 is open.

[Fish&Chips]

The number of morons on this forum is alarming!

Posted by: calrep | Oct 13, 2005 8:08:06 PM

Adios! Scram!

[truth_sleuth]

How is it that you can believe everything JVDS says is a LIE but yet choose to believe a small portion of an alledged statement RE: sexual activity between JVDS and NH is TRUTHFUL? BHT's proof is based on the "statements" of a person she describes as a LIAR. So where is the truth? She seems to be taking selcted "facts" to fit a theory rather than letting the "facts" dictatate a theory and therefore an answer to this mystery

[icey]

Actually you are both wrong!!!! ALE made the huge mistake by not taking control of her room and it's contents.

Icey

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Of course, Beth contaminated much evidence by going through Natalee's luggage rather than handing it all over to LE.

Posted by: newswatcher | Oct 13, 2005 5:04:34 PM

Huge mistake, but then that was only the beginning of her mistakes. JMO

Posted by: gagal_05 | Oct 13, 2005 5:09:18 PM
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[PerryPeabody]

BHT's proof is based on the "statements" of a person she describes as a LIAR. So where is the truth? She seems to be taking selcted "facts" to fit a theory rather than letting the "facts" dictatate a theory and therefore an answer to this mystery.
Posted by: truth_sleuth | Oct 13, 2005 9:53:39 PM
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Very well said--and very true.

[icey]

Yes, but it's behind a fence. The way it was described one could not walk out to the water from the room, a fence surrounded the hotel on the beach side.

icey

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- we saw on greta that the room lets onto the sand of the beach and some vegetation.

Posted by: iquitos | Oct 13, 2005 5:35:15 PM
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[erica]

letsbefair:

um.. first of all, dont call me sweetheart. second of all.. are you completely stupid? She didnt run away from an unhappy life. I mean everyone knows that, even you. She was kidnapped and she most likely isnt alive. Sorry buddy but this is the same thing as taylor behl pretty much. That poor girl isnt coming back. So sorry to have to be the one to tell you.

[icey]

That's the point. The call was not from Natalee's phone. It was from a rented phone supplied by Croes, hence his involvement on the the 31st. And the call was to one of the boys in the group who had the US phone that worked on the island. He picked up the voice message on the way home the next day.

icey

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friend of Natalee thought she missed a call late that night. It was from Natalee's phone it doesn't mean Natalee made the call. Talk to the roomates.

Posted by: JW | Oct 13, 2005 8:09:01 PM
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[OMG]

What's with you folks don't you know anything? My goodness did you just start following the case. All these minor details of where the room is and the phones, the timeline have all been cleared up. Watch the MSM and leave Dan to his own BS. Dan is only seeking bloggers because everyonesle has lef the scene. it's business for Dan. That's all. Don't dfall into his trap, he will be drinking later on and post sosme really outragious thing and get everyone all afloat again.

[berry]

Supposedly Natalee was only 2 resorts away from her corner, ground level room, which was out of range of the surveillance camera. The door was unlocked and her cell phone inside possibly. Also a light was on. Maybe she came back, and encountered Johns helping himself to a few things.

Don't tell Dompig - he says ALL paths lead to the trio.

[berry]

The chaperone used Natlaee's phone to obtain the numbers she called from another phone, that had international calling enabled.

It is enormously significant if she had her phone with her and it was discovered in her room.

[erica]

Guess i might as well explain myself when i say same as taylor behl case, im sure you all know wut i ment by that but some nut jobs might try to have a hissy fit over it. I ment, a girl went missing, and hasnt came back. Nor will natalie. Let me try to get all u air heads back down to reality.. (air heads meaning the people who think its a damn scam) Natalie went missing, shes been gone for a long time.. she didnt run away...personally if i ran away i would take my cell with me.. She was kidnapped and aint coming back either. Its been way too long, might i remind u that if she is still alive and someone has her, they wont let her go? she would know by now wut they look like and thats a big no no for kidnappers. Trust me, its not a scam.. her family would not be trying this damn hard to get her back if it was a scam.. and besides has anyone saw on the news a family trying to pull a missing daughter scam? for 4 MONTHS? no...i dont think there is any point trying to discuss what happened that night either, because plain and simple no one knows. if they did, the case would be solved. Over and Out!

[duh]

If Beth does indeed have Natalee's cell phone it would be quite easy to determine the last time she used it. Got any facts Dan?

Posted by: mona | Oct 13, 2005 8:51:10 PM

OF COURSE NOT..........

[berry]

Danie,

One main entrance and one by the pool that was FILLED with people from Mt Brook. You can't enter from the beach area through the sliding glass doors. You must havea pass key to get into any door to access the rooms. If she had access the rooms they would of known it as it would of been recorded. This is ALL OLD news and ANYONE who has followed this case knows it to be old news. She wasn't back at the room.

If she had been back to the room there is no way she would not have been seen by dozens of Mt Brook kids. It would of been all over the news and net. The idea that Mrs Twitty wants to focus on the 3 for some blind reason is ridiculous. Utterly stupid that someone suggests that as has been the case on here. There is security at the front door both camera and securtiy people.

Posted by: JT | Oct 13, 2005 8:48:11 PM

That might be meaningful if they weren't 3 sheets to the wind - one even passed out on a pool lounge. chair. Any slider left unlocked does not need a pass key to enter. FOX showed the room and door in detail months ago.

There is no testimony that dozens of the tour group were anywhere near Natalee's corner room.

[nursemind]

The number of morons on this forum is alarming!
Posted by: calrep | Oct 13, 2005 8:08:06 PM
That's because all the closed mnded SM bloggers came over.

[berry]

If Beth does indeed have Natalee's cell phone it would be quite easy to determine the last time she used it. Got any facts Dan?

Posted by: mona | Oct 13, 2005 8:51:10 PM

OF COURSE NOT..........

Uh, how would anyone know that for sure? Natalee's phone could have been used by another.

[nursemind]

her family would not be trying this damn hard to get her back if it was a scam.. and besides has anyone saw on the news a family trying to pull a missing daughter scam? for 4 MONTHS? no...i dont think there is any point trying to discuss what happened that night either,
Posted by: erica | Oct 13, 2005 10:28:16 PM

Sounds like you're one of the MB kids.

[icey]

I tend to agree with you. I have been here since June 9th, and it's amazing all the crazy storys that get posted here, including Dan's posts!

The SC board has been brought down for some reason. Too bad, because they did't have a lot of "enquirer like" crazy stories.

People... The cell phone stuff has been covered months ago, NH did not have her cell with her that night. This was verified by the other MB kids. Its's quite possible that NH did have a pre-paid cell phone from C Croes, and note that these phones are extra small and could easily have been carried by her.

So far all the blogs have had an extra poor track record in scooping the media on real news in this case. At this poit abouy 95% of what I see posted as "news flashes" has been 100% wrong. The only accurate info posted is whos currently being interviewed on TV!

icey

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What's with you folks don't you know anything? My goodness did you just start following the case. All these minor details of where the room is and the phones, the timeline have all been cleared up. Watch the MSM and leave Dan to his own BS. Dan is only seeking bloggers because everyonesle has lef the scene. it's business for Dan. That's all. Don't dfall into his trap, he will be drinking later on and post sosme really outragious thing and get everyone all afloat again.

Posted by: OMG | Oct 13, 2005 10:21:59 PM
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[icey]

I tend to agree with you. I have been here since June 9th, and it's amazing all the crazy storys that get posted here, including Dan's posts!

The SC board has been brought down for some reason. Too bad, because they did't have a lot of "enquirer like" crazy stories.

People... The cell phone stuff has been covered months ago, NH did not have her cell with her that night. This was verified by the other MB kids. Its's quite possible that NH did have a pre-paid cell phone from C Croes, and note that these phones are extra small and could easily have been carried by her.

So far all the blogs have had an extra poor track record in scooping the media on real news in this case. At this point about 95% of what I see posted as "news flashes" here has been 100% wrong. The only accurate info posted is who is currently being interviewed on TV!

icey

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What's with you folks don't you know anything? My goodness did you just start following the case. All these minor details of where the room is and the phones, the timeline have all been cleared up. Watch the MSM and leave Dan to his own BS. Dan is only seeking bloggers because everyonesle has lef the scene. it's business for Dan. That's all. Don't dfall into his trap, he will be drinking later on and post sosme really outragious thing and get everyone all afloat again.

Posted by: OMG | Oct 13, 2005 10:21:59 PM
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[mc]

Dan
I pay no money to write and speak here, so there is no money in it for you. Why do you lean so heavily away from the liars? Liars lie to avoid what the Truth will bring.
Yet these liars had no idea the burden this lie would be for them. This is a "rest of your life, never go away" kind of lie. As "large than life, please make it stop" kind of lie. Good.

[icey]

People.....

This case is about a missing girl and the extreme effort her family has to go thru to get some truth.

Not a one of you naysayers would do anything different if it was your loved one that went missing.

The 3 punks were with NH only hours before she was to leave the island, they had a story before an innocent person or persons would have needed a story, they have lied multiple times including fingering the guards, jvds goes out of his way to tell people not to go to cnc's on sunday then heads there just before it closes to see what he can pick-up, jvds was selling himself off as an exchange student, the MB kids has some run ins with depak that week, etc, etc, etc. They are guilty of something here. They know way more than they are telling.

Let me try to explain BT's efforts in a form most on this board will understand.... What would you do if your skateboard, ipod, cell phone, or car stereo went missing after being in the company of one or more of the 3 punk suspects? I bet all of you naysayers would go berzerk if someone messed with your silly useless property and you would probably react violently!!

BT is 100% correct in her approach, as is DH. Anything they do or anything they ask of us who want to help is 100% correct!
A life is involved here people. NH did not just walk away on that silly little island. As the June 11th headlines read, Something Bad Happened", and one or more of the 3 know what it is.

icey

[calrep]

BT is 100% correct in her approach, as is DH. Anything they do or anything they ask of us who want to help is 100% correct!
A life is involved here people. NH did not just walk away on that silly little island. As the June 11th headlines read, Something Bad Happened", and one or more of the 3 know what it is.

icey

Bravo, icey Bravo! This is precisely the point! You nailed it, my friend!

[danie]

Thanks all for answers regarding access to rooms/security cameras,etc...JT, I also believed this was old news...Dan referred to it in reference to the cell phone and in the context that it was being reported "now" that she did return.

JT...someone said earlier if people from Mt.Brook who knew Natalee, have spoken to authorities and given all info...well, you owe the public nothing; but i also agree with that poster that issuing a blanket statement by a lawyer,perhaps, may dispell some of the rumors...and give you all some peace...of course, it could also backfire and just cause more speculation...oh, hell...it just seems you are close to this case and/or know Natalee(if i missed this info earlier, my apologies)...this may be a mystery to solve to all of us, but to those like yourself(i think)...it has to be pure hell (ooohh i'm gonna get it now from some of the posters! i can take it)...anyway, you and the family have my sympathy, whatever the truth or circumstances or who's "side" anyone is on, even the most critical out there are not void of empathy for anyone involved in this situation...so very sad; honestly don't know if i could participate in this type of format if i were involved...ok, take your shots...i'm ready; if i'm incorrect and you do not know Natalee...ignore me....i'm used to that too! take care JT....danie

[shonane]

The cell phone call that some think was made by Natalee at 4 am was first mentioned by Beth, was one of Beth's first week interests, then the story died and we heard little more about it. If the call was actually from Natalee, that means she was definitely alive and Awake and coherent then. The cell phone records for Joran (if the information that has been put out there is true) would have shown him in the area of the Marriott beach I believe around 2:15-2:30 range (the call to Deepak) and then at home about 30 minutes later. Apparently they could tell the call origin location. So Joran was at home long before Natalee made that call if it was from her.

[shonane]

I read some of the discussion threads at the Bushy Haired Stranger website this past week re : (1) the 4 am phone call from Natalee and the documented time that Joran made a call from his house (they think this focus was dropped because it would suggest that Natalee was OK when Joran left her), (2) ideas about why her bags were packed night before even though she would need her things to get ready to leave next day. Some might want to take a look and come back and let us know what you think.

[shonane]

I thought it was because her real US cell phone ended up not working in Aruba, so she rented a phone while there. Maybe the real phone was in her room and the rented phone was with her.

Posted by: Lanier | Oct 13, 2005 4:43:18 PM

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That makes sense because Beth's first poster requesting Natalee to call her said she had her phone programmed so it could receive calls in Aruba.

[edward]

The phone calls are very mysterious.
Very important.. for voice and time and location.
why does everything have to be hidden?
Beth should play back both calls if she can.

Damn !! is right,,
Thanks Dan

[shonane]

think the Twitty's actions are to put up a smokescreen. They don't want anyone to know that Natalee was not happy at home and simply ran away. They have turned this into an international murder/cover-up to warrant media attention.

Posted by: letsbefair
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I think they are sincerely distressed and don't know what happened to her. I do not agree with their choice to convict the three suspects on their first day of arrival of Aruba. I also do think they covered up things they didn't want to come out about Natalee,the MBHS group, or their family. They most likely, as a result of their actions, have unintentionally, severely hampered the ability of anyone to find the answers about what happened to Natalee.

[shonane]

ANYONE CAN HAVE BEEN ON LINE, DUH.(joran's house)
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I think Anita had the other two children with her in Holland. Joran and his Dad were the only ones in Aruba at that home.