Natalee Holloway: "Slut" Comment Making Headlines

This is the link to a story with a dateline in Aruba which uses that remark for a headline. It's a bit misleading as the headline indicates Deepak called her a slut, I believe he said she was acting like one.

I am wondering if he isn't a bit angry over a report I had heard awhile back in the coverage. It has been alleged that when Natalee got into the car with the three boys she asked Joran if Satish and Deepak were his "slaves." I was shocked when I heard that, given her deep southern background. I'd be interested in knowing if it's true.

The only other time I can recall the word "slut" being applied to Natalee was from a cable news source. Apparently they were scheduling an American tourist who was in the club that night to do some show.

"They're going to tell the whole story," my source said. I asked them what that meant as I didn't and still don't claim to know the whole story from Carlos and Charlies that night. He characterized the tourists description of events as, "Natalee was running all over the place acting like a slut."

I'm unclear as to what Deepak, the American tourist, or anyone else observed that would lead to that conclusion. Natalee certainly didn't appear to be dressed like a slut from the pictures we have seen of that last day.

The show with the American tourist never aired. I'm unsure why, though it was suggested ratings and or image might have had something to do with it.

Comments

[Bigfish]

Thanks Dan. :) As always!
Bigfish

[Alan Croft]

I sincerely wish Natalee would return safely. However, we all realize that scenario is impossible. I would like to question Joran for only 5 minutes. I would first put his testicles in a vice and snug it up. Then I'd ask only one question: Where is she? If I received anything less than the truth, I'd give the vice handle a quarter turn and repeat the question: Where is she? Using this method would produce the truth.
Joran is a jerk. Treat him like one.

[frank]

Dan,

I just cannot believe you are pursuing this angle. Slut is a derogatory term that both men and women use, mostly not for accuracy but to show disdain.

You have written about boys being boys well some who couldn't get a women to notice them may call a girl a slut. Some think even speaking to a guy without an introduction is slutty.

I just think you are so off base on this. Giving value to even the inference from deepak.

You're throwing out inflammatory words at Natalee with absloutely no proof and choose to believe others who you have no way to verify their intentions or truthfullness.

[Wayne]

Dan -

Re not hearing the term slut used.

It may be non-national but there was Steve Yuhas
in his collumn:

http://www.steveyuhas.com/columns/yuhas_20050730.htm

in mid July. He was going to talk about it on his radio show and the collumn he had sent to AM Digital letters to the editor. They had published his earlier letter. I do not know about this one as they had gone to a subscription service and I am not going to pay money to read it.

[absynth_minded]

What she (did) wit hith her body and who she chose to do it with is her own business.

When it becomes everyone elses is if she didn't make the choice........

[absynth_minded]

GRRRRRR... fricken typos!

What she (did) with her body and who she chose to do it with was her own business.

When it becomes everyone elses is if she didn't make the choice.......

[dave]

If this person wanted to get there story out about Natalee's behavior that night, then surely we would have heard it by now. There are plenty of MSM sources who would love to publish such a story and I just don't buy that they would all pass up on this oppurtunity.

[homewoodmom]

"...given her deep southern background" ?????
She was 18, I'm 55 and not only do I find the idea of her saying something like that preposterous, having a "deep southern background" going back over 200 yrs. myself, I find that comment DEEPLY offensive!!!! Some people, such as yourself, need to get rid of your preconceived and misconstrued ideas about the south and southerners. That comment was totally out of line!!!

[zoe]

What exactly does a slut act like? I think that is all a matter of personal interpretation.

There are probably those who think if she was dancing-shaking her a$$-,whatever, would make her "acting like" a slut. Or wearing a mini-skirt or a thong. Or kissing a boy in a bar or dirty dancing/grinding on a boy or between 2 boys--is that acting like a slut?

So is the difference between acting like a slut and actually being a slut the sex act itself? Is it that you act like a slut if you dance & flirt but you are actually a slut if you have sex? I just want to understand what Dan's point is.

To call someone a slut, you are making a judgement about someone based on YOUR preconceived ideas. I mean there are strippers and porn stars who dont consider themselves sluts because they have monogamous partners at home but I guess they "act like" stuts at their jobs? Is that the difference? Or is any woman who enjoys her youthful sexuality in the presence of boys a slut?

[Dan]

You people need to learn to read:I'm unclear as to what Deepak, the American tourist, or anyone else observed that would lead to that conclusion.

I neither wrote the headline, nor broadcasted the tape with the word in it. And I can assure the the cable news story is accurate. So, I have no idea what your complaints might be. Ironic that no one seems interested in the slave comment, though - which if genuine, is also troubling to me as it would be a sign of very poor judgement.

[dave]

Maybe it is accurate so far as someone wanting to come on and talk, but perhaps some people wised up and realized there wasn't anything to it. Seriously, I find it a tad bit odd that this person has not found one single avenue with which to reveal his/her story. Maybe it became clear to someone that this tourist was just seeking the limelight, since you yourself said that you don't know why the story never aired.

[dave]

Just so we are straight on this: you criticize the MSM for making unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations against these boys with no proof at all. Then, you go on your website, which despite its recent slump due to the lack of NH coverage, still gets plenty of hits, and bring up vague and unsubstantiated rumours about a missing girl who is likely dead. Rumors that are very much deletrious to her character.

[zoe]

My apologies Dan--

I admit I am extremely tired and probably shouldnt even be allowed to post in this state :) It was a slow day at work so I lurked here for the better part of 8 hours. The problem is I can't post at work so I end up getting really frustrated (kind of like blue balls-haha) when there is something I want to reply to. By the time I'm home after midnight, I'm exhausted and I don't express all that pent up frustration very well. (maybe I should join my s.o. in bed)

Anyway I do appreciate your forum. As a matter of fact I found a new appreciation of it today. I mainly come here for updates on current events but I checked out a couple links today of other sites and some of those posters have lost their marbles(name-calling, personal insults, profanity etc)..I also see alot of the crazy ones here post at these other places as well but at least you weed out the totally obscene so I think I will stick around.

Good night & God bless.

[Dan]

"Maybe it became clear to someone that this tourist was just seeking the limelight, since you yourself said that you don't know why the story never aired."

Nope, sorry Dave - not the case. The person, who was in a press report early on but has not sought the limelight at all. The news media was pursuing them and they were reluctant. Than someone did get to them, listened to their story and relayed those comments to me.

Amazing how you find every justification for questioning everything about reports or people saying things you dont want to hear, while accepting every possible rationalization for allegations without proof in the other direction.

[dave]

Ironic that no one seems interested in the slave comment, though - which if genuine, is also troubling to me as it would be a sign of very poor judgement.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2005 2:05:42 AM

Only if you think she was using it in a racial sense, implying that the Kalpoes were Joran's slaves simply because of their ethnicity. Of course, if you think about it, how else could you describe a couple of guys who pick their friend up, take him to a bar for 30 minutes to see a girl, then chauffer him around while he makes out with her in the backseat? If she was joking around, something highly probably if your description of her drinking is accurate, then it hardly seems to be an offensive comment at all.

[homewoodmom]

Dan, I commented on the Souther Background. Back up a couple of posts and read.

[homewoodmom]

Dan, I commented on the Southern Background. Back up a couple of posts and read.

[Dan]

"bring up vague and unsubstantiated rumours about a missing girl who is likely dead"

Good heavens, Dave - get a grip. You are losing it. That tape brought up the idea of NH acting like a slut, not me. I relayed a factual interaction where another individual, credible, by the way, used the word. I didnt see you complining about Deepak's comments being broadcasted everywhere. What you can't deal with is the fact that someone else in that club, and an American at that, appears to have corroborated it. I see, you don't mind all the "evidence" stacking up on one side of the equation - that's just swell. But please don't give any context to it that might paint a different picture. Why not just admit you don't have the least bit of objectivity - which is something I can't allow to color my judgement, or I would be no better at reporting what is there than Geraldo. If you can't handle an objective viewpoint, at lest try not to constantly bash it. It IS what reporting is SUPPOSED to be about.

[dave]

"Maybe it became clear to someone that this tourist was just seeking the limelight, since you yourself said that you don't know why the story never aired."

Nope, sorry Dave - not the case. The person, who was in a press report early on but has not sought the limelight at all. The news media was pursuing them and they were reluctant. Than someone did get to them, listened to their story and relayed those comments to me.

Amazing how you find every justification for questioning everything about reports or people saying things you dont want to hear, while accepting every possible rationalization for allegations without proof in the other direction.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2005 2:27:20 AM

Amazing to me how you seem to have no knowledge whatsoever of my thoughts or opinions about this case, which, like yours, are evolving day by day as the information develops.

I simply suggested a possibility as to why this person hasn't been gotten to yet.

If you knew anything about me or my posts on this and other sites, then you would realize that I am a lot more objective then you seem to be making me out to be.

[kin]

Deepak's lawyer should buy him a muzzle or maybe he'll wise up and quit. The sex confession (all 3) is bad enough but the hatred that comes across for NH, especially in his tone of voice on the tape, is very disturbing. LE claims they want to pursue this and if they're stumped on a motive he may have just given them one.

[Dan]

Dan, I commented on the Souther Background. Back up a couple of posts and read.

Yes, it came up while I was writing - don't know what to say, actually - don't shoot me I'm just the messenger. It's been claimed she made the statement - for all I know it could even be on Skeeter's tape. And my point about her being from the South is that I would think she would be sensitive to something like that. That's my picture of her, anyway. As far as Dave's new rationalization for it - I find it laughable under the circumstances. Sorry but I detected some genuine racial insensitivity in talking with two particular MB students, and an adult from the area, too - the phrases they used were surprising. Sorry if you don't like me saying so.

[kin]

Hmmmm! I do recall now that the brother's mother made a 'racial' comment during one of her interviews. It was something about NH not liking them because of the color of their skin? I could be wrong but I don't think so. And where would she get this idea?

I still stand by what I said above. Deepak's attitude towards NH is loud and clear (he has serious issues with her) and that should lead LE to take a closer look at HIM in particular.

[Anchor]

Dan -

I will call Satish and ask him...
obviously not tonight...
I cannot suggest either way that Natalee referred
to them as 'slaves'...
I can't even guess. Situations and 'alterments' (my new word) can make anyone capable of anything...
I'm gonna try and check though...
Hope he will still talk to me...
He questioned my motives a bit about my posting his words here in August...

[truthbetold]

Amazing how you find every justification for questioning everything about reports or people saying things you dont want to hear, while accepting every possible rationalization for allegations without proof in the other direction.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2005 2:27:20 AM

NOW ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!! I see people here who will take anything beth Twitty says and does as gospel and find any way to make it fit guilt for the 3 boys no matter how ridiculous.....I personally do not think Natalee looked like a "slut" nor would I call her that and I don't really care what she acted like in relation to her being missing.....I still do believe her mother is lying and misleading everyone and I would love to know why

[dave]

"bring up vague and unsubstantiated rumours about a missing girl who is likely dead"

Good heavens, Dave - get a grip. You are losing it. That tape brought up the idea of NH acting like a slut, not me. I relayed a factual interaction where another individual, credible, by the way, used the word. I didnt see you complining about Deepak's comments being broadcasted everywhere. What you can't deal with is the fact that someone else in that club, and an American at that, appears to have corroborated it. I see, you don't mind all the "evidence" stacking up on one side of the equation - that's just swell. But please don't give any context to it that might paint a different picture. Why not just admit you don't have the least bit of objectivity - which is something I can't allow to color my judgement, or I would be no better at reporting what is there than Geraldo. If you can't handle an objective viewpoint, at lest try not to constantly bash it. It IS what reporting is SUPPOSED to be about.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2005 2:34:07 AM

How does that make any of it credible or substantiated Dan? I can give you two sources (Dave and Beth) right now who have seen a document where Joran admits to sexual assault? Do you believe that Joran actually did though? Because I honestly don't. I think the document is a fake provided someone who is less than scrupulous. But my point, is that just simply having a couple of sources doesn't make something substantiated or clear, especially when one of those sources is very biased. Deepak apparently thought Natalee's clothing was slutty. Now, honestly, we have all seen what she was wearing that night, it wasn't in the LEAST bit slutty. So you can see why I have a problem believing Deepak's description of her, and that isn't even taking into account that he is obviosuly angry about this whole ordeal. Now why should I believe the tourist? So far no one has told me what he or she has said, or anything about her that I would need to make a judgement about her reliability. For instance, was she drinking? Could she have confused Natalee with another tourist? These are all legitimate questions that have to be asked before you can call something substantiated. If you knew the first thing about journalism, you would realize this.

[dave]

As far as Dave's new rationalization for it - I find it laughable under the circumstances.

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What is laughable about it? Oh right, it doesn't fit your preconceived notion that all southerners are racists. I think a joke about them being his slaves would be very appropriated considering that they seemed to be nothing more than his shuttle service that night. Don't you think?

And again, we are going back to the issue that this comment hasn't been substantiated in the least. Something I find very odd given your recent tirades about the MSM not being objective (and they aren't) because they print unsubtantiated rumors about the boys. Of course, here you are doing the exact same thing.

[Anchor]

who have seen a document where Joran admits to sexual assault?
posted by dave....

hi dave. :) I don't think this document was signed by Joran.

[dave]

who have seen a document where Joran admits to sexual assault?
posted by dave....

hi dave. :) I don't think this document was signed by Joran.

Posted by: Anchor | Oct 9, 2005 3:03:31 AM

I don't think it was legitimate to begin with. There are probably a few likely candidates for the author of the likely forgery, Jossy being the frontrunner.

[truthbetold]

I don't think it was legitimate to begin with. There are probably a few likely candidates for the author of the likely forgery, Jossy being the frontrunner.

Posted by: dave | Oct 9, 2005 3:06:27 AM

yup

[Anchor]

I think we see the same thing then dave...
; ) stay tuff and stay real...

[Wayne]

I don't think what Natalee said justifies rape, kidnapping, and murder. That is just ridiculous, and you yourself said, if she said, and if they did, and if she did, etc. Its all heresay, if you can't say something good about the dead then don't say anything. And as far as being from the South, please quit prejudging the young lady, you never met her, don't know her, and did not here what she said. Just go ahead and put words in the mouths of the three musketeers so they can use the accusations for their defense. I don't think they need your help. They keep changing their stories to cover their asses depending on the circumstances and possible charges they face can't you see that?

[chance]

If you want to get an idea of how American girls act on Aruba, go to someplace like Webshots and do a search on Aruba. You will get a bunch of peoples vacation shots - check out some of the spring break trips. It is just what goes on there and I imagine Natalee and the MB girls were doing the same things. Many people would call this acting "slutty". I'm sure the girls in the photos would say so as well, many have if you read the captions. It's a vacation afterall and they let loose. I think this is to be expected and don't really see why there is a coverup from MB. Even the students who were on the trip have stated that everyone knew this was a party trip - so why lie? Maybe I'm morally bankrupt but I don't see this type of behavior as being out of the ordinary.

Now, I've heard there were at least 4 chaperones inside C&C's that night. Why in the hell didn't they try and have them tone it down a bit? Or were they enjoying the show along with everyone else? In my opinion the chaperones or "trip advisors" are being given a free pass on this. Especially if many of them were teachers and knew these girls since they were children. Bottom line they should have stepped in, whether they were required to as part of their job description or not.

[bizarre]

The sad thing I got out of reading this is the fact that this kid is profoundly depressed.

The second thing I saw was that this is like the pot calling the kettle black. Clearly, his behavior could be construed as that of a male slut. If you consider the source, his comment doesn't really matter.

Poor ms.h, she went on a long awaited trip, had not yet learned the art of self monitoring (mind you, some adults never learn this), maybe went a little wild, nothing that is not done by countless spring breakers right here in these united states, and she is branded a slut. Who cares really, what is important is to have her come home alive. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I'm so fed up with the holier than thous and their prognostications. As an aside, once again the proverberial double standard rears its ugly head.

Dear God, please let this young adult come home alive, because hearing this interview it is obvious that this suspect is profoundly depressed and doesn't seem to me to be a person who could have murdered someone. Now don't jump all over me but lives are being ruined and let's hope she comes home and things will be well with the world again. Pray for her mother and dave,and for her and for the suspects and for all those teens who are scared for life.

And here is just a general question for everyone. Suppose she did run away? With this Media circus is anyone thinking of a way to make it easier for her to just show up? What if she was kidnapped and now, with everything, they want to return her. Has anyone thought of a way for them to return her unharmed without scrutiny? Finally, God forbid, what if she is no longer with us. Is it really easy to supply the information necessary to find her remains? I throw these questions out simply to make everyone involved think a little. This "mess" is so mired in minutia and criticism and speculations and pissing contests that everyone has forgotten that a young adult is missing and that her family's hearts are broken and that her friends are probably guilt ridden and hurting and that a small country may go under economically and they are terrified. I have no answers. Just questions and staements designed to make everyone stop in their tracks and rethink and regroup and find a way to find ms.h.

[juninho]

The possible "slaves" reference is very interesting. I have trouble accepting that a situation that ended in such a train wreck proceeded in a completely
friendly matter among the parties involved. The three possible areas of conflict I have come up with between Natalee and one or more of the main suspects
are (1) the obvious sexual advances/rape scenario, (2) kidnapping-type scenario with Natalee being taken somewhere she does not want to be, and (3) race
conflict scenario. My belief in the cabdriver theory as a probability is based almost entirely on my belief that a girl with Natalee's background would not get
into a car with the Kalpoes because of their race. I also believe that if cornered by all three Natalee would have gone crazy on jvds for perceived race treason -
always thought this could be the basis for the jvds description of her as out-of-control crazy from the C. Croes interview on Greta. The specific "slaves"
comment scenario described by Dan is very believable if she were drugged, a lot less likely if very drunk, not believable if sober IMO. Plays into her father's
theory from early on that her Southern-ness cost her her life.

[Dan]

If you knew the first thing about journalism, you would realize this.

Frankly, Dave - you're full of crap. Assuming a clearly racist statement was said, your rationalizing it is pathetic. And all I usually see from you are the same one-sided diatribes before you claim how open you are at the end.

"But my point, is that just simply having a couple of sources doesn't make something substantiated or clear, especially when one of those sources is very biased."

NO shit, Dave - try reading what I wrote before just talking nonsense - here is what I wrote:

I'm unclear as to what Deepak, the American tourist, or anyone else observed that would lead to that conclusion. Natalee certainly didn't appear to be dressed like a slut from the pictures we have seen of that last day.

First off, there are more sources for that statement than most of the crap I hear from the TV coverage and I hardly pronounced it clear. And I'm sick of defending it, so I'll leave it here. If enough of the kids from MB to make you feel it's CREDIBLE, some who would amaze you, were to not be such cowards when it comes to telling the truth on the record, as opposed to anonymously, I probably wouldn't have to defend any of it.

[juninho]

Who alleged that Natalee made the "slaves" comment?

[dave]

It isn't pathetic, I'm just trying to be objective and see both sides of the story like you, Dan. I think my explanation is certainly as possible as the more negative one you desire to be true. But just hearing that she referred to them as Joran's slaves makes it very hard to determine what was actually said or meant, sinec we are misssing the entire context. The same issue as what Deepak said on the Skeeter tape.

I'm glad to hear that you are admitting all of this is unsubstantiated and vague, you seemed to have taken offense to that comment earlier tonight. Of course, now we are back at square one and my original question to you. Namely, how are you any different from the horrible, biased MSM if you participate in the same type of actions you fault them for? What is the difference between them making unsubtantiated reports about the boys based on rumors and you doing the same thing here in regards to some reports about Natalee?

[ticklish]

Maybe the "slaves" comment is important for the following reason: Natalie did not mean any offense by it ("you're making your friends be your slaves by driving you wherever you wish in their car. etc") but Deepak and Satish DID take offense at it, causing them to feel hostility towards her, and possibly contributing to her death as a result. This shows the importance, as Dan says, of not being selective in which aspects of this case are reported.

[Dan]

What is the difference between them making unsubtantiated reports about the boys based on rumors and you doing the same thing here in regards to some reports about Natalee?

You're serious? lol Hint: Fox announcing that Joran made and sold child pornography, that he bragged about using date rape drugs, has anger management problems ad infinitum vs. "It has been alleged that when Natalee got into the car with the three boys she asked Joran if Satish and Deepak were his "slaves." I was shocked when I heard that, given her deep southern background. I'd be interested in knowing if it's true."

There is no comparison, emphasis on "if it's true." You are either playing dumb, are dumb, or being a troll for heaven's sake. Not to mention my being around to discuss such things, as opposed to the media which puts them out as facts and moves on.

And as to the other question, the claim was alleged to have been made by Deepak. As I said, I woud like to know if it is true.

[dave]

Dan - You are kidding me, right? So if Geraldo had just appeneded his statement with a "it has been alleged that" then you would have no problem with him talking about an unsubstantiated rumor on national TV, especially one so damaging to this boys reputation? I doubt that very much.

And yes there is no difference between a lot of what the MSM says and what you say. For example, there is no difference in Jossy Mansur going on air and saying that he had been told by Joran's classmates that Joran had used date rape drugs before, and you coming on this site saying that a tourist called Natalee a slut. None whatsoever. And I could find plenty more examples like this if you want me to.

[Betsy]

Look, if Natalee were as drunk as I think she must have been that night, making the slave remark isn't all that shocking. Drunk people say really stupid things. Ever been drunk or high? I have and I know I've said some completely inappropriate things! For some people, drinking seems to release a Jekyll/Hyde thing. A person emerges that no one has really seen before and hopes to never see again. Now, I'm not saying Natalee falls into that category, but it sure sounds like it. As for the slut thing, don't you just know she was probably dancing very provocatively! I can see that happening so easily. The floodgates opened for her when she began to drink, I think, and she just started doing all kinds of things normally held in check while sober. I'm wondering if she's like me. When I was a kid her age I was so controlled. Good student, not many boyfriends, did everything right. Graduation night, I had booze and I went CRAZY.

I can see how Natalee's supposed racist comment was just a tease from her but someone like Deepak and Satish took it hard. Doesn't mean they wanted to harm her, but I'm sure she didn't win their friendship by such a remark.

[mc]

What I find most disturbing is the fact that ongoing comments against a most likely dead girl continue to be given any credablity when the supposed source of the information is from the only suspects in the case. The only truth that anyone can cling to here is that all of the suspects are proven liars. Build on that and see where it leads.
Liars lie to avoid the actions the truth will surely bring.

[MikefrMd]

Dan says:

And as to the other question, the claim was alleged to have been made by Deepak. As I said, I woud like to know if it is true.

So why would you give value to a statement from a proven liar?

Mike

[Sharon]

COMMENT:
HELLO OUT THERE....if deepak said she acted like a slut and YOU DAN are saying he never said she was one, then what WAS HE saying....and no I do not want to buy any swamp land down in Florida, I think your comments are totally pro Deepak and you are once again bias and twisting the truth!!

[Sharon]

DAN'S COMMENTS FROM ANOTHER BLOG...WELL DAN?????TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES THESE DAYS....YEP YOU ARE...
Natalee Holloway: Evidence And Untruth

Analysis by Dan Riehl

This below was compiled by reader / commenter airam. I did some editing, nothing more. The question of evidence, or lack thereof in this case is obvious. And what there is, is circumstantial. To some extent, the information below deals with that, or at least good cause to question the boys' innocence.
As any untruth might pertain to some truth, I researched some of the stories told by the three boys.

Below are some of the untruths that the boys have told since the beginning. If you know of any others, just let airam me know in comments and she may add it to the list...

False Statement #1

Joran, Deepak and Satish drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn, she stumbled out of the car and trips onto the ground. Joran tries to help her; she refuses and states “I can stand on my own”. They see the two security guards, drive away Deepak and Satish take Joran and go home.

False Statement #2 - Almost the same as #1 – but more detailed.

Deepak tells his Mother that he and Satish were giving Joran and Natalee a ride to the hotel. Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and he was getting upset because he did not like that in his car. He said “That if you want to make love, go and pay a hotel and go in a hotel room, not in my car”. While on the way to the hotel, Natalee asked if she could see the lighthouse, because she was leaving tomorrow morning, and if they can drive her up there. He drove up to the lighthouse, but didn’t stop because she was drunk. He said she was like, Hey, here I am and then wanted to go back to the hotel.

False Statement #3 – same as #2, but then changes the ending

Satish tells their Mother that they lied because Joran is their friend and they were covering for him. He said that Joran asked us to leave him by the Marriott beach with Natalee and he and Deepak went home.

False Statement #4

In a joint interrogation with Joran, Deepak and Satish, Joran claims that Deepak, Satish and Natalee took him home and while sitting in the car outside the home, he and Natalee exchanged email addresses and say goodbye. Joran goes in his house and Deepak and Satish take Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.

Deepak denies this and states: “Why are you lying, Joran?”

False Statement #5

Joran tells his Mother that he, Natalee, Deepak and Satish went to the “California” lighthouse, then left the lighthouse and went to the "Marriott Hotel" beach. He and Natalee got out of the car and Deepak and Satish drove away. Joran fooled around with Natalee and left her on the beach as she says she wanted to stay there. Joran tells his mother not to worry, because he didn't do anything to the girl.

False Statement #6

Joran breaks down and cries at the prison and tells them “we buried Natalee” to the north of the Marriott Hotel, towards some indistinct area by the fisherman's huts.

False Statement #7

Joran says he has a suspicion of where Deepak buried Natalee. Joran tells the police that after Natalee fell asleep on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, he left her there and walked home. He believes that Deepak went back to the “Marriott Hotel” beach, raped then murdered Natalee, then Deepak buried Natalee near the fishermen’s huts.

False Statement #8 – same as #7, only this time he says they both fell asleep.

Joran claims he had fallen asleep with Natalee on the beach, woke up and then left. Deepak then went back, raped and murdered Natalee and buried her body near a fisherman's hut on the beach.

Now for other statements made by various people...

= Deepak says “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE”

= Paul Vandersloot spoke to the boys soon after Natalee went missing and told them about telling the police the truth, and what would happen if they lied. He also told them if is there is no body, there is no crime.

= Deepak tells Mickey John that they left Carlos'N Charlie's and went straight to the lighthouse. Deepak was driving and Satish was sitting next to him. Natalee was in the backseat behind Deepak, and Joran was in the backseat behind Satish. He said that Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and that she was very, very drunk. He said Natalee wanted to see the Lighthouse so they drove there. Deepak said that on his way back up they stopped ... close to the Marriott and they dropped off Natalee and Joran and he and Satish went home.

Once home, he went on line, and about an hour later, Joran sent him a text message on his cell phone, and that when he got home he'd go on line to chat with him.

Deepak tells Mickey John, that they will be out soon, but Joran would remain because he knows he was the last with her after they dropped Joran and Natalee at the Marriott. Deepak said that he thinks Joran is holding back something, and that the father made up the story. Deepak told him that the family sat at the pool and came up with the lie about the holiday inn.

He said he lied to the police, because normally when tourists come here and they get lost, a few days later they are usually recovered at some crack house or with some beach bums. ... But, when nothing was coming out, he and Satish decided to tell the truth to the police.

= Gardner said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He says Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness says she saw the car owned by Deepak being in the area near the racquet club, around the homes, 3 times during the night that Natalee disappeared.

= Another witness says Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car very thoroughly in what was said to be an unusual location near their home. This took place after their initial release from questioning and prior to their arrest. EquuSearch sought to check the area with dogs; however they were turned away by the Mother of Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He said that Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe

And last but not least... The phone calls/messages...

2:35-2:40 AM - phone call made from Joran phone between 2:35-2:40 AM to Deepak. Joran claims he called him to ask for a ride home. Per Koch, Satish’s attorney, Deepak told Satish that Joran called and said he was walking home and that he left Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach.

3:15 - 3:20 AM Joran text-message-emails Deepak to tell him he has arrived home safely.

4:00 a.m. Phone record from Joran to Deepak after which Deepak left his home.

Dan Riehl blogs at Riehl World View.

Story posted to BNN 7/27/2005 5:42:14 PM

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[NYMom]

Posted by: Sharon | Oct 9, 2005 9:51:30 AM

Thanks for the recap

[Jon]

What I find most disturbing is the fact that ongoing comments against a most likely dead girl continue to be given any credablity when the supposed source of the information is from the only suspects in the case. The only truth that anyone can cling to here is that all of the suspects are proven liars. Build on that and see where it leads.
Liars lie to avoid the actions the truth will surely bring.

Posted by: mc | Oct 9, 2005 8:24:15 AM

Exactly. If the 3 suspects are guilty- as they almost certainly are- this is their final victory over Natalee... having silenced her voice, they are free to malign and plant seeds of doubt about her character, with evil lies and half-truths that no witness can challenge.

If it is true that Natalee made that comment, IMO it is probably because there was something in the drink that Joran bought her besides alcohol.

And it's ironic that the Kalpoes would be trying to play the race card, considering they are the ones who continued to lie about last seeing Natalee with a "dark" man, even after that lie put two innocent black men in jail.

[Arubaanse]

Slut or not a slut, nobody deserve this.

[tuyvnsurvivor]

"...Deep southern back ground"

Dan I believe you are too far off into sterotyping, while searching for reader arousals, by way of commonly being the ordinarily -- different.

It becomes less interesting for this one reader to come here, but perhaps you will pick up a new area of followers. But, as details and evidence develope, and I do believe the Kalpoe's ready for lots of talk, and say you turn out to be justified in your puzzeling flips of 'facts', I will try to flop back over here to graceousness, with my own excuse me's.

[GAmom]

I'm sure I will get blasted for this but.... I wouldn't have used the term slave, but I have often wondered the relationship between Joran and the brothers. To me, Joran seemed to use them. I still don't understand why Joran didn't have a car and/or didn't drive one of the family cars. And don't say he wasn't old enough because he wasn't old enough to drink or gamble and he did that. Maybe his mom wouldn't allow it, but it seems strange that you wuld let your son move to the US while a teenager and live with a girl and play house, but not drive a car. It is also strange that he doesn't drive now either. I heard his father drives him to school. May be nothing, but I find that strange. Dan, I would like to see you find out more about the realtioship between the three. I would be interested in if the brothers had been in Aruba longer than Joran's other buddies. I would like to know the length of the realtionships of the group of friends. I remember the Kalpoe mother saying they hadn't been on the island their whole life. I have thought from the beginnning that they worked for him. Back to the slave comment, being born and raised in the south and being around kids teaching school for almost 30 years I can see where the slave statement might have originated. If they are following Joran around everywhere and driving him the kids may have got that impression. Ask your MB sources. They would know. I doubt Natalee is the only one that would have thought that. I can see her making the statment to her friends, but not to the brothers unless she felt real comfortable around Joran. A southerner may think it, but they would know better than to say it in public or to the people involved. A statement like that would cause a major crisis at my school and in my town. Even the kids at the private school in my town no bettter than that. Of course alchohol could have played into that also. But it would have to be a lot of alcohol and maybe some drugs. IF Natalee was interested in Joran that night I'm sure she wanted to be alone with him and not have the brothers tagging along. Wonder if Joran ever made the comment or led MB kids to beleive that the brothers worked for him or did Joran treat the brothers in a way that it looked like he was superior to them. Ask your American tourist who was in C&C's how the brothers and Joran acted toward each other that night. Also, we know that Joran portrayed himself as a tourist or foreign exchange student. Did the Kalpoe brothers do this also?