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Way to go Dan! Big Hat Tip! :)
Good Job.
BF

Interesting read Dan. I have gone back and forth on my opinion of what happened to Natalie and after seeing the Current Affair interview I honestly feel that Joran is telling the truth.

Dan,

Any chance you can get somone, one of the reporters from the cable channels to this site or in some debate type format?

Will Fox let you on the show to talk about this.

Bravo Bravo Bravo -- Dan you are most impressive - you said you were going to post the truth - I am so proud of you - way to go - I am so tired of our media - they have taken this story for ratings alone and made a mockery of journalism. And in the end tried to ruin the lives of 3 young men. And you are right if this had taken place in the states law suites would be flying. Thank you - I will continue to enjoy further installments!

And you were there or are you just relating more lies from Joran?

"In all probability, Joran Van Der Sloot left Natalee Holloway alone on the beach that night just as he has insisted for the better part of four months. The original lie as regards having dropped her off at the hotel came to be in the following, mostly innocent manner - innocent as regards any serious crime, anyway."


Talk about an opinion, Dan, while you may know about teenage boys wanting to lie for sex, you're credibility is how you were as a teenage boy. In all probabability? His story cannot be corroborated. Or can you corroborate it with some facts other than to use the word innocent in regards to the effect this lie had on this case?

Why no mention of the security guards? Have you interviewed them, asked about they're innocent experience?

Wow. thanks Dan for clearing the air.

How are you going to post the truth, we don't know the truth, even JOran says someday he can tell the truth. What has he been telling up to now?

If these boys had nothing to do with crimes against Natalee then Natalee would be in college today

Talk about an opinion, Dan

Yes, Frank, clearly that is an opinion, as stated. I am not allowe4d to have them after all of my research. That has nothing to do with the on going media fraud. If there were any evidence, which there is not, perhaps I would have another opinion. Are you prepared to defend some other basis besides factual evidence for convicting anyone of murder? Who should we simply start executing anyone we "think" did something wrong? Your arguments have absolutely no weight at all in the context of my post, which is directed at the news media.

something bad happened.

Innocent!

Thanks Dan!!! I cant wait to see the rest.

I've been waiting for this for a long time. Thanks Dan.

Thank you again Dan. I never waivered in my faith in you in spite of the overwhelming odds that how could all these famous "journalists" be wrong and you be right? Shame on all of them.
Don't cut anyone any slack. Hang em all with the same rope like they wanted to the Kalpoe and Van der Sloot!

Bigfish

Great post Dan.

Holy Cows Batman! Robin aint gonna retire after all...you know what Dan, I think your venture into journalism has gone to your head. I think Paulus Van der Sloot got to you pretty damn quickly to take down the above mentioned photo that his MAMA!!took!!! Whos's the spin miester now? You honestly think I'm going to choose you over MSM? LOL

I don't know if Joran Vandersloot is telling the truth or not, but I have realized for quite some time that the media has been knowingly spreading rumor and lies in search of ratings. They have also egged Beth Twitty on, encouraging her to tilt at windmills, ie the coverup that never was. To exploit a grieving family in this way is truly unethical.

Dan, in the last part of Joran's Current Affair interview he said "some day I will tell what really happened, but I am not ready to face it just now." Not a direct quote, but something approximate. So...If he will someday tell what really happened, how are we to believe what he is telling us now: That he left Natalee on the beach????

Posted by: Dan | Oct 2, 2005 8:33:51 PM

Of course not. I agree with you regarding the media. I thought that was a given. What must be frustrating is that on this board there is absolutely no information that hasn't been gotten on this case other than from the media.

That's what I find weird about your post. It is a battle, but to me the media is everyone's tool (no pun intended) and even an interview where someone is speaking is questioned. I applaud you're wanting to take them on and hope you can but alot of us are used to getting information and have to try to sift through the BS. It's not easy I know.

What I don't understand is why the Aruban Government which uses the media has done such a horrible job of losing control of this story?

I just don't believe in blaming the media, without them we would be in the dark, we need more media not less.

I wish we could have more facts for every decision in life but it isn't that way, it's a combination of elements. You've staked a position, as Beth has and hopefully we'll see about these documents. But I guess we'll hear about it from the media.

Thanks Dan, for being committed to assessing this situation based on facts - not rumor, innuendo, and gut feel. I am so glad to see you post this information, and I look forward to your next installment.

It's nice when someone separates fact from fiction. Thank you.

thank goodness you have the sense to see the real truth here what a big bunch of garbage this has been and yet and still it more more more of beth twitty on tv...yawn

Can anyone tell me what facts Dan has sited in his post other than the media are scum which may be the only thing we all agree on?

Any facts related to this case?

Dan,

Excellent post - can't wait to see the rest!!! I am so glad that you are finally pointing out that all the media care about is ratings, not the news, as has been brought to our attention especially with the Natalee Holloway fiasco, the Terri Schiavo media circus, Katrina, etc.

Keep up the great work. Thank you for allowing us to have a place to post.

Well done.

To exploit a grieving family in this way is truly unethical.

Posted by: katy | Oct 2, 2005 8:42:05 PM

Exactly my thoughts. Thanks Dan.

Dan, I remember you posting headings such as "Deepak Kalpoe raped and murdered Natalee." You were reporting the same information as the MSM. It's October 2nd, way to wait forever and a day before "clearing the air." Why didn't post this a month or more ago?

I still have my opinions about what happened in Aruba. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But I for one totally agree with Dan about the cable news shows. Being very close to the Katrina disaster I know for a FACT that many of the things they reported were simply false.

The story of Natalee's disappearance got me hooked on cable news. Their lies about Katrina cured me of my addicton.

Great job, Dan. It's time that somebody speaks out about this travesty.

What sickens me is that not one of the talking heads that have jumped on the "Joran and the Kalpoes are guilty" bandwagon have ever confronted Beth Twitty about the statements she has been citing over the last few weeks. We have to ask why. We also have to ask why Beth and company are so determined to end the case by convicting the three young men. Are they protecting someone in Mountain Brook?

The next day at school when Joran was bragging about having sex with Natalee, I belive he lied about having sex with her to look good to his friends and to keep up his image as a playboy.

We also have to ask why Beth and company are so determined to end the case by convicting the three young men. Are they protecting someone in Mountain Brook?

Posted by: newswatcher | Oct 2, 2005 9:00:25 PM

Beth, imo, beleives they are guilty and always has. She may be right, that is not the issue. The problem is that she has lived on this diet of MSM reporting. She has been encouraged to believe that unsigned "confessions" would convict someone in USA, that Jossy's witnesses proved something that the Aruban government is ignoring, that the FBI wants to help but is being thwarted, etc.

It all goes back to the first lie.

What sickens me is that not one of the talking heads that have jumped on the "Joran and the Kalpoes are guilty" bandwagon have ever confronted Beth Twitty about the statements she has been citing over the last few weeks. We have to ask why. We also have to ask why Beth and company are so determined to end the case by convicting the three young men. Are they protecting someone in Mountain Brook?

Posted by: newswatcher | Oct 2, 2005 9:00:25 PM

This is what gets me too is why no one in the media questions anything BHT says? I have noticed the parents of other missing kids and they seem to questions them but never one time do they push BHT when she is not forthcoming and with the obvious vendetta that she has had against Joran, it does make you wonder who is she protecting? Only details that BHT wants to get out are brought forward - just very strange to me and the more it goes on the more obvious it appears.

It all goes back to the first lie.

Posted by: iwabwu | Oct 2, 2005 9:10:01 PM

Yes it does. "My daugher has been kidnapped, give me a police escort and contact the FBI"

Set the whole chain of events into motion.

Right on Dan! I have always had my doubts as to his involvement in this, although at times it seems as if no one agrees with me.

It all goes back to the first lie.

Posted by: iwabwu | Oct 2, 2005 9:10:01 PM

This is what Joran said from the very beginning

Anita van der Sloot, however, did speak, saying at that time that she believed her son was innocent and that he was receiving unfavorable treatment in jail.

"My son didn't do anything," she said. "I don't understand what is happening" with the case.

"He says, 'Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her. I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened,"' she related, without specifying which beach.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/23/world/main703632_page2.shtml

Bravo Dan, for bringing all this forth. It is a victory for those of us who support the innocent, and regard the circus with disdain.
I was a regular poster on another site, but it has become ugly there due to the people who left from here; some being quite venomous.
Looking forward to more truths.

The first lie was not innocent. We can all agree that if he told his second story first the police would have gone to the exact spot where natalee was last seen. Isn't that reasonable.

Why didn't they? Wouldn't they have had a better chance of finding evidence then?

To call Joran's lie innocent is wrong. This is not the fault of the media.

Posted by: gagal_05 | Oct 2, 2005 9:12:54 PM

Your source is what?

I find your versions to be plausible and more likely than the hysterical BHT snipets. Some people just should not be given a microphone.
In fact, given the dysfunctionality of her god-fearing household, one has to wonder just how anxious she was to return home.
The cable media, you are right, are ratings whores. It took a Category 5 hurricane to blow some sense into this lemming like collective group think.

Posted by: gagal_05 | Oct 2, 2005 9:12:54 PM

Your source is what?

Posted by: frank | Oct 2, 2005 9:16:55 PM

What is your source for calling them rapists and murderers???

gagal,

You posted something you want to stand behind, it came from CBS news right?

Posted by: gagal_05 | Oct 2, 2005 9:21:15 PM

I didn't source it, it's my opinion.

I guess when he finally comes around to telling what "something bad" happened to Natalee that he will tell us that space aliens abducted her.

Dan you booking your trip for the "free" scuba lessons?

This post is a masterpiece, Dan. Very well said and I hope everyone reads this.

Dan,

I admire that you have finally come to very those terms (large-scale fraud on America) for which I was three months outcast at every popular Internet site including yours and http://www.rjames.com/forums/member.php?u=42.

Good luck in your endeavor!

P.S. I too have followed this case very much and collected wealth of information. Feel free to e-mail if you like to exchange some, Dan.

Dan,

Wait a minute!
Aren't you the one who posted that Natalee Holloway was dead in the early part of June...and now you are attacking the MSM for the same thing you did back then? Also, what are your sources as to the number of lies Joran Told? He even said on the current affair that someday he would tell his story..after already telling his story as to what happened. How you can actually buy into what this kid is selling is beyond me

Posted by: gagal_05 | Oct 2, 2005 9:12:54 PM

Your source is what?

Posted by: frank | Oct 2, 2005 9:16:55 PM

lolololol frink...The Mother's mouth in an interview videotaped...difficult to comprehend is it now...I thought you frunked off the other day or were you lying....howabout our trip to aruba fink. Same videotaped interviews we have of Betty flink, the ones with all the lies we laff about flonk.

Dan, I've thought what you've been brave enough to publicly state. On some forums it's been nearly impossible to entertain the thought that BHT is off-base in her accusations. Just a few words against her is interpreted as a smear campaign, yet it's fair game to say anything against the young men. It's been an amazing ride for those of us who have thought as you are now stating. Thank you.

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