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If you saw this story about allegations of US soldiers burning Taliban bodies as part of a psychological ops campaign, you should at least become aware of the source organization for this news. A few of us have been exchanging information and links and Hyscience has done some excellent research to help ferret out some truth. Please check it out.

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[cindi in pa]

Thanks Dan, Jason, Richard, appreciate all of your dedicated work and research to this story.

Now I have to ask. If the three of you, assuming you all do this part time, can collect this kind of information. Why can't the MSM do the same?

Thanks again.

[*flo*]

Been trying to follow the RWV and Jason's story, Fox News is stating the video didnot show the Broadcasting of this message,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172843,00.html
but its in the transcript.

Sydney Morning Herald states the broadcasting was filmed...
http://smh.com.au/news/world/film-rolls-as-troops-burn-dead/2005/10/18/1129401256154.html

so did I miss something here...will there be a video image open for public viewing or will this also be desecrated Islam in the name of Allah....Mr Dupont wants a good name for himself, think he should find other outlets to disseminate his findings....Or would this have been an open publish for the American media?...doubt it, the Feds would have some how down played something like this...I know the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse photos are still out here in cyber...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32776-2004Jun10.html

....so are the sworn statements of the detainees and their abuse...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/swornstatements042104.html

my point, its only fair to ask why is it Taliban fighters are not abiding by the Geneva Convention? (Beheading of Americans) The U.S. prosecutes the accused, if caught and its activity was illegal. Why cry wolf if we cannot purge out Taliban activity, when war is intrusive, even without the use of bombs. The Military is a very real entity, so how do we play this game to establish its priority without offensive measures?...the problem, we are there now and probably be there for years to come...

[*flo*]

Posted by: cindi in pa | Oct 20, 2005 9:32:54 PM

The internet in general, i.e., Blogosphere is the reality of MSM, which has different regulated constraints....

[dugo]

looked like a bunch of soldiers too lazy or time constrained to dig a hole, _burning_ for sanitary reasons my ass..

[Sgt. York]

I HAVE NOT SEEN THE VIDEO

If it is true that the video shows US soldiers burning human bodies as part of a PsyOps... then US soldiers burned corpses as part of a PsyOps.

Screaming that the 'media' is liberal and that the journalist who filmed it is a commie fag is simple childish and pathetic and it doesn't change the facts.

But let's wait and see the video, and wait to find out whether the soldiers actually violated any standing orders [unlikely in my opinion].

Personallty, I wouldn't sent a guy to the brig for this stunt, but then again, I think the whole PsyOps stuff is garbage and usually ends up biting you in the azz anyway.

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[Spanky]

I have seen the video and it is pretty lame. just a burning body and a few soldiers standing around looking at it.

Oh boy.

The beheading videos are by far the worst. you can see all these at Ogrish.com, if anyone is interested.

Personally, I have no problem with people desecrating enemy bodies. That's how you fight a guerilla war..through fear and intimidation in order to provoke an enemy that not only hides, but makes it nigh impossible to tell who a "good" Afghan is from a "bad" one. Challenge them to come out, and once in a while you'll get lucky and have a few shoot at you.

I also think that torture is necessary in this type of war. People dying for a cause are the hardest types of people to kill, and are willing to die for their cause at their time and choosing.

Ideally, if the Americans truly want to win a war on global terrorism, they have to catch relations of the terrorist ie, children, wives, parents, and be hard enough to torture these people within earshot of the guerillas.

However, Americans will not fight that way, and that is why they will eventually lose in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, I bet that the Americans will eventually withdraw from both places, and within a couple of years or less, whatever government they left installed will be replaced by another government that might prove even more harmful to the U.S. in the long run.

From my perspective, America shouldn't have gone into these wars without being willing to compromise their principles...because principles are the first things that go out the window in a war (and should stay there).

Secondly, I also think the American media is lame for not showing the American people how their soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. This "and a Marine was killed by an IED in Ramadi this morning" crap does not give the real picture.

I've watched alot of the footage on Ogrish.com of American soldiers getting blasted by IEDs etc that everyone should really see what they are sending their boys and girls to do overseas. I don't think that there would be an anti-war backlash, but I do believe that the concept of "war being noble" that Bush, Cheney and the other chickenhawks promote would be exposed as a typical, Republican lie.

Oh yeah, I'm not some anti-war Liberal that despises war. I completely back the Afghan War, and I truly wish the World and America in particular succeeds in establishing a free, secular state in the heart of Islam. However, I'm completely against the Iraq war. There was no point in going in in the first place, and the U.S. certainly should not of gone in until the Afghan mess was dealt in its entirety first.

Now we have our boys and girls dying in Iraq when they should have been scouring Afghanistan for residual Taliban members and Osama....and building up the country's infrastructure and economy, just like what we did with Berlin during the Cold War.

Then we could have made a run at Iraq.

Anyhoo, have a nice weekend all. Watch the Miami game tonight! Go fish!!!!!!

[*flo*]

Ideally, if the Americans truly want to win a war on global terrorism, they have to catch relations of the terrorist ie, children, wives, parents, and be hard enough to torture these people within earshot of the guerillas.
However, Americans will not fight that way, and that is why they will eventually lose in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by: Spanky | Oct 21, 2005 4:03:57 PM

We know this is not your "typical" war with battleships, heavy armor but a war with no reasoning with fanatic islamic extremist....On the other thread regarding Dupont..someone ask about the money trail to support the Taliban...Enron is a good start...So as you stated Spanky, I agree with you

[Ninja]

First, torture is fundamentally evil.

If you advocate, condone, or excuse torture than you are evil. If you claim to believe in God and you condone torture then your God is a demon from hell [and your Jesus has horns and a pointed tail]. People who excuse torture lie when they say they believe in God; people who actually believe in God believe that good defeats evil without doing evil or becoming evil.

Whenever we see torture used systimatically in a conflict it is always an occupation where the locals are giving support against the foreign invaders.

That being said, foreign invasions and occupations frequently succeded in ancient times... the invading army simply burned all the crops, burned every house, killed every man and young boy, transported all the girls and women out of their country and sold them into slavery or as concubines. Then all the loyal poor of the foreign invaders were allowed to resettle the now baren lands. Simple.

[*flo*]

First, torture is fundamentally evil
That being said, foreign invasions and occupations frequently succeded in ancient times...
Posted by: Ninja | Oct 22, 2005 12:49:06 PM

War is not a science, the fundamentals are...if we had to depends on religious beliefs, there would be no armies or wars...
Foreign invasions and occupations have succeded all the way up to the 21st century.