On line, anyway. Though it is difficult to call the comments being thrown around by some talking. I suspect if my experience has anything to do with it, he''' spend more time deleting comments than responding to them.
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Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:24 PM
...yep, deleting comments and blocking users...
Posted by: AJ | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:39 PM
DAN YOUR TITLE HERE "JORAN VANDERSLOOT IS TALKING".... is incorrect, but I believe some day he will and will get what he deserves...
I know his two accomplice's will sing like a
bird very soon....guilty guilty guilty...:o)
Posted by: Sharon | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:47 PM
Reminds me of the Forrest Gump saying "Stupid is as Stupid does". I don't understand why someone involved in such a high-profile case would even set up a public forum like this.
Posted by: nc_mom | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:55 PM
Who knows if it really him. ?
Posted by: ! | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:57 PM
Reminds me of the Forrest Gump saying "Stupid is as Stupid does". I don't understand why someone involved in such a high-profile case would even set up a public forum like this.
Posted by: nc_mom | Oct 24, 2005 5:55:56 PM
Why exactly would that be stupid?
I just wonder if it would be fun for Joran, but stupid..?
Posted by: fokje | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 05:59 PM
I have a very very strong reason to know and believe that this is NOT Joran's site at all. One should know by now that you cannot believe all of what you see and hear. Probably not worth our time debating the reality of this site!
Posted by: Jan | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 06:03 PM
It says member since january 2005, it looks legit. Spelling mistakes are consistent with his msn space.
Posted by: Baloo | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 06:11 PM
Count me in as well, in the I'm very skeptical department.
I would never ever say that there is zero chance that the site is legit.
I just wouldn't bet a nickle that it is.
Posted by: Not a Hand Wringer | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 06:12 PM
Count me in as well, in the I'm very skeptical department.
I would never ever say that there is zero chance that the site is legit.
I just wouldn't bet a nickle that it is.
Posted by: Not a Hand Wringer | Oct 24, 2005 6:12:04 PM
Hmmmmm.....no nickle from me either.
Posted by: newswatcher | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 07:01 PM
My nickle's worth is on that it is Joran. He is feeling comfortable with his life now. ....and if he is innocent, (as many believe) then he should feel free. $.05 Cha-ching!
Posted by: k.jeanne | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 07:22 PM
What's friggin hilarious is to look at the ad site links up at the top of his page...
all about Jury selection !
Buahahahahahahahahahaha
It's him I'm pretty sure of it
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 07:48 PM
Might have to hit the refresh button but the links on the top are
'The art of jury selection"
Mock Jury Selection
and Jury Consultants? Need answers? Check our resources and solutions
ironic
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 07:55 PM
I think he thinks he's some sort of "super star".
Anybody who is already out partying and having his picture on the internet, sure is no shy violet.
Posted by: ustt | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 08:01 PM
That has to do with his age- also if he did indeed comit this crime - it proves how socipathic he is.
If it is his site I am sure daddy doesn't know about. He's a lil smarter.
This is exactly what might help break the case.Give it a year, two, or more.
He'll spill the beans one day ...this kinda 'superstar' limelight might be addictive to the little one...imagine when the 15 mintues are up?
Pretty sure he'll slip up one day after a few too many pints/and or drugs. He's going down that path anyway.
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 08:12 PM
Thursday, June 09, 2005
Natalee Holloway Suspect May Have Contacted Blogger Hours Before Arrest
has anyone read this from the archives here?
i belive dan may have pulled the text of these e-mais or the text might be in another story that i don't have time to find.........
but they seemed consistent with the joran i saw on the fox interview........wonder if it helps anyone wondering if his posts are real over there?
i have not read over there yet
Posted by: chip | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 08:21 PM
btw- how long has that blog been on line?
i know it has been around for awhile
Posted by: chip | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 08:24 PM
I repete -- THIS IS NOT JORAN'S Site - only the haters will think or believe that it is!!
Posted by: Jan | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 08:25 PM
I strongly second that, as not as Jorans' site. The hate crew has gone to alot of trouble to put the site together.
Michelle(Diedra)What would you know about where Joran is headed; you are bleating nonscence that you have no clue of.
Wait, Beths' time is coming, and all her cohorts with her. She didn't lose Natalee, she drove her away.
Posted by: a..incanada | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 09:13 PM
This site is something I have from 9-24, it's in my history, so this is not new, but I doubt it's his and if it is it had a bunch posing as his "partners in crime". Just a bunch of garbage--I think. There was a bunch of dutch which I translated thinking it would give some hints, but it was basically just talking about where to go that evening or whatever.
Dunno, have not been since then until tonight because I thought it was crap. JMO! :)
Posted by: abigail | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 09:41 PM
If this is really Joran's site, why do you suppose it is in english?
Posted by: New Creature | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 09:43 PM
i wonder if any Dutch women are scared of Joran or if they have a fantasy of being victimized by him.
How would the women on this site who defend him like to go on a date with him? Really, help the guy out.
Posted by: Another Observer | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 09:57 PM
A..inCanada
ahem..
LOL what do I know? Hmmm about where Joran is headed?
Um he's an underage alcoholic who is addicted to gambling at the tender age of 16/17?
Think of all those tender ripe brain cells he is burning!
That might clue the average person in?
Joran's not gonna go far in the legal biz, or with his education.
He's not the brightest bulb in the closet . . and there are other psychological/sociological factors. . .that are setting this young man up for failure . . .
Daddy should have learned to be a little more strict with his son. Ahem Spare the rod . . ?
What he did was create a lil monster who will not be able to adapt any where else but in Aruba...or some other third world country where he feels like the big kahuna.
Joran isn't all that in Holland...his Dutch counterparts are 10 times better looking than him , and have more money.What is that doing to his ego?
Joran is no longer the big fish in the little pond. He's the scum sucker in the aquarium. I'm sure no self respecting Dutch father would let his daughter go on a date with Joran...even if he commited no crime!
He won't go that far in school - his mama is no longer the teacher - even if that is not the case ...who will employee him when he does graduate? That name does not sound too good for business - and given his upringing and language prowess he was destined for international law or business - opps not now. Perhaps he should try porn? A la Bobbit . .
Also lets say that he's not guilty! Oh my gosh just think of all the psychological damage his incarceration will have on his poor young psyche.
Can you imagine the how this will eventually affect his adult personality. Who knows what horrible things he suffered in jail all those months!!!!!!!!
eeek!That name does not sound too good for business
And don't be so quick to judge that it's not his site...it MIGHT be -it might not be.
Can you prove it is not? - can you prove it is?
or wait . . . . . . . .
Instead of ranting and raving on this message board - why don't you do something?
Go to Zotop or whatever it is and ask Mr. Joran if he really is Joran, ask him to give you some information that nobody else might know...
Or are you too lazy , and prefer to point fingers here ?
Also I have been following that zop page ofr quite some time - see how softspoken Joran is ( if it is him which I am not 100 percent sure of) - if he had had an agenda we would have have seen it seemed through already. There seems to be no agenda on that site other than a perhaps lonely boy trying to reach out to the world - and yes I think deep down inside he feels bad about all of this, on a subconcious level,Pehaps he is aware that the media following this case is in English . . .and in aruba they speak a lot of English. That's how the hodgepodge of races from all those countries communicate...apart from Dutch and that creole they have going on down there.
All IMHO
Posted by: Michelle(Diiedra) | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 10:11 PM
Yes, we are all seeing what a good job Beth has done with her Natalee as the 'victim' and 'justice for Natalee', so its good to see that the lynch mob mentality is alive and well and living in Alabama. Nothing Changes! Can't you hateful people get it into your brains yet that there is NO EVIDENCE that a crime has even been comitted and that Natalee may still be alive. People do disappear, for whatever reasons, and they leave behind their passports, etc. Check it out!!! Does not mean they are dead. Is it like you really want Natalee to be dead and we wont bother looking for her alive at all. Where was Natalee all the rest of the holiday and who did she meet? Did she contact some guy she had met earlier when Joran left her on the beach? Did she go for a swim and got swept out too far? You haters dont know, but should Natalee turn up alive or it turns out somebody else has done something to her, will you be willing to come on and apologise. I doubt it, you will probably slink away like the cowards you really are! How many were hung up high by lynch mobs like you without having been given a trial or a hearing. Thousands. You should be ashamed, but of course you are not - just self righteous.
Posted by: annie | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 10:58 PM
Yes, we are all seeing what a good job Beth has done with her Natalee as the 'victim' and 'justice for Natalee', so its good to see that the lynch mob mentality is alive and well and living in Alabama. Nothing Changes! Can't you hateful people get it into your brains yet that there is NO EVIDENCE that a crime has even been comitted and that Natalee may still be alive. People do disappear, for whatever reasons, and they leave behind their passports, etc. Check it out!!! Does not mean they are dead. Is it like you really want Natalee to be dead and we wont bother looking for her alive at all. Where was Natalee all the rest of the holiday and who did she meet? Did she contact some guy she had met earlier when Joran left her on the beach? Did she go for a swim and got swept out too far? You haters dont know, but should Natalee turn up alive or it turns out somebody else has done something to her, will you be willing to come on and apologise. I doubt it, you will probably slink away like the cowards you really are! How many were hung up high by lynch mobs like you without having been given a trial or a hearing. Thousands. You should be ashamed, but of course you are not - just self righteous.
Posted by: annie | Oct 24, 2005 10:58:52 PM
BRAVO! I've never understood why some remain so closed minded since there is not any evidence of her death.
Posted by: nursemind | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:05 PM
Posted by: nursemind | Oct 24, 2005 11:05:33 PM
Posted by: annie | Oct 24, 2005 10:58:52 PM
You are the only hateful ones.
God bless Beth & Natalee always. There is only one "truth" Lies lies lies are all I have ever heard from these scumbags. They were with her they "know" what happened to Natalee and so does the dad!
People with nothing to hide, hide nothing. !
Get a grip !
Posted by: ! | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:18 PM
I repete -- THIS IS NOT JORAN'S Site - only the haters will think or believe that it is!!
Posted by: Jan | Oct 24, 2005 8:25:04 PM
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AGREE 100%
Posted by: ! | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:19 PM
Yes, we are all seeing what a good job Beth has done with her Natalee as the 'victim' and 'justice for Natalee', so its good to see that the lynch mob mentality is alive and well and living in Alabama.
as it should be..Beth has EVERY right to protect the image and repuation of her MISSING child...and yes, as of right now, she IS the victim...not Joran Vandersloot...you heartless people supporting that smug punk amaze me! Get a clue! Try reading other things than what are posted on this site!!! What would any of you think if your daughter wanted to date joran or Deepak? hmmmm, view may change a little...especially their respect for women, which neither obviously have ANY....
Posted by: in-disbelief | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:30 PM
Why is Natalee a 'victim'? What are you talking about? Just because Beth says she is!!!! Listen, there is NO EVIDENCE that a crime has even been comitted. Beth should maybe look elsewhere for what might have happened to Natalee. How about the person who said he saw her back at the hotel that night? How about the woman who was dragged screaming into a car that night near the hotel. How about somebody having followed her that night from the Club, like the guy who was sat not being able to take his eyes off her? How about the reported rapes in that vicinity? How about Natalee was warned not to go swimming late at night? How about somebody saying Natalee was seen making copies of her passport and other documents? And so it goes on. There are a thousand scenarios of what could have happened to Natalee. Beth does not know, you do not know, I do not know, but while ever all eyes are on those three boys, nobody is going to bother to come forward, even if they see Natalee alive. They are just going to say 'hey, that girl sure looks like Natalee Holloway, but of course it can't be her, because she is dead' and do absolutely nothing about it. Beth could be shooting herself in the foot by keep encouraging everybody to just look at these boys (and of course Joran's father (after all he was sweating!)), and Natalee may never end up being found because of that! So far, there is NO EVIDENCE Natalee is a victim of anything. She may just simple have wanted to go off for a while, or she may have been snatched and be still alive. Just keep looking!!!
Posted by: annie | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:48 PM
About the validity of Joran's Zorpia page..I do beleive it is his, because Zorpia adds the start date for you when you open your account, they then list that date on your page, Joran's start date is January 2005, which is before any of this happened, so I really doubt that anyone else would have pretended to be him back then... so my vote is, that is his page and that is him responding....IMO..
Posted by: Baloo | Monday, October 24, 2005 at 11:58 PM
Get real yourself ! Where is your evidence? Go on tell us, seeing as how even the prosecutor can't find any, but of course you can! THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT NATALEE IS DEAD!!!!! Just Beth telling everybody that she is a 'victim'. Of What? How about questioning some of the people Natalee was on that holiday with? Why have they been told not to speak to anybody? What happened to all the photographs they all took? Who was the older man that Natalee was seen out with? And so it goes on. Plenty of questions, but Beth does not seem to want them asked or answered. Why? That has got to be the biggest question of the all! So get real ! and get looking elsewhere - after all she may just be found!!!!
Posted by: annie | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:17 AM
Why exactly would that be stupid?
I just wonder if it would be fun for Joran, but stupid..?
Posted by: fokje | Oct 24, 2005 5:59:03 PM
He is still a suspect.
Posted by: nc_mom | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:26 AM
Beth has EVERY right to protect the image and repuation of her MISSING child...and yes, as of right now, she IS the victim...not Joran Vandersloot...
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I would say the Twitty and Hollaway family, as well as the suspects and their families are all victims if the suspects are innocent of harming Natalee. In fact, very serious crimes have been committed against the supspects if they are innocent.
Posted by: shonane | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 02:00 AM
I go with the vote that this is a bogus site. So far sites have been made up for most of the suspects as well as may of the players in the news about this case, like Tito and Jossie. They were all made up and links were provided for some of them from commentors on this blog. One of them even had a monkey head transplanted - think was Deepak.
Posted by: shonane | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 02:03 AM
This is so funny.:)
It's not Joran!
Posted by: Arubaanse | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 03:53 AM
Michelle/Diedra
Well that was quite a rant. Blogs for Natalee would love that one for sure as they get off on stuff like that.
I happen to be in touch with people who know Joran well, so it doesn't matter what you say, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not here alot, as I read alot of other info as well. Tata
Posted by: a..incanada | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 04:32 AM
LOL it wasn't a rant. Joran doesn't have much of a future. . . if typing my reasons for believing he s going down the wrong path rub you the wrong way LOL! So be it . You siad there was nothing to make me belive this...so I answered you.
Can you do no better that that? LOL just entitle my post a 'rantt. LOL
You know it is true. Joran doesn't have much to look foward to. He's a habitual alcholic at the age of 17. Such a pity!
Instead of coming on here and 'ranting ' yourself -you should go lend some support to him.
Tell him about AA meetings...LOL and who gives a flying you kow what if you 'know' people that know Joran.
Wow! Qhat a claim to fame that is ( NOT). MEGALOL!
Ohhhh you're so important you 'know' people...
Get a life!
Posted by: Michelle(Diiedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 08:07 AM
Beth has EVERY right to protect the image and repuation of her MISSING child...and yes, as of right now, she IS the victim...not Joran Vandersloot...you heartless people supporting that smug punk amaze me! Get a clue!
Posted by: in-disbelief | Oct 24, 2005 11:30:37 PM
Since none of the VDS or Kalpoes have even been charged nevermind found guilty of anything, they certainly have as much right to defend themselves and protect their reputations as anyone else.
Anyone can be accused of anything. That's why we need proof.
Posted by: justthefactspls | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 08:43 AM
so yes,you guessed correctly if it were joran's site it would be in dutch so bravo to the person who figured that one out, also just to let you know that there is no way that the average person will get in on joran's site, as it it not for the public this i know, be happy and keep busy
Posted by: candy | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 11:56 AM
I would probably believe Joran was an alcoholic if I believed everything MSM put out, like some people do.
Awhile ago Dan put out an article about HATE. It was so well phrased. It's too bad you missed it.
Qhat??
Joran was accepted by several universities outside of Aruba. That speaks for itself.
I do have a good life, with many healthy interests, but it doesn't include spewing misinfo that MSM has already put out. I prefer Dan's and Harry Tho's evaluations which are non-sensationalized.
Posted by: a..incanada | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 11:59 AM
Candy, you are a doll. So refreshing to see nice comments so nicely put.
Posted by: a..incanada | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:02 PM
All you have to do is post a guestion to him if he a. knows Natalee Holloway, b. if he had sex with her on the beach, and c. if he left her there afterward and d. if he knows where she is now. If he says yes to all but d. then it is him.......................
Posted by: Sweetie | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:45 PM
a.incanada I have never watched MSM as I don´t recieve it here in Colimbia.
Joran has issues. Have you seen all those pictuers that were on his old tickle site..of him passed out with hard liquor bottles all around him?
The boy needs help.
He also has a pretty bad case of gynecomastia.
He needs to get that fixed as well.
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:49 PM
Aincanada you are in denial.
Utter denial...a picture speak a thousand words...there were many pictures on Joran´s tickle site that showed him drinking,passed out, and or with people at the bars.
Has nothing to do with hate. Just the facts.
Daddy SLoot has a beautiful budding alcholic on his hands.
Too bad you live in a little fishbowl, and assume that people who make these logical assements had to have watched MSM ...I don´t even know what that stands for! LOL
Posted by: Michelle(diedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 12:54 PM
Michelle/Diedra
Where is "Colimbia"? Halfway between Hate and Ignorance?
I saw those pictures with him passed out on Tickle sites. I also know anybody can fix those sites. I also know from when I was younger, in partying days, that when a roomate would fall asleep on the chesterfield and would be hard to rouse, the rest of us would surround her with bottles of alcohol, stick one in her hand and a cigarette with the tip painted red, then wake her and snap a picture. When a person is just awakening with eyes half open and a questioning look and all the bottle, makes for a picture of unbelief. I have lots of pics like that in my album from days gone by, and I'm sure Jorans friends do also. How does that proove he's an alcoholic?
Beth would believe it. She needs help.
Gynecomastia? Well, I've seen alot of athletic men, with somewhat of a weightgain, to look like that. He's not all lean and muscle.
Dr. Michelle/Diedra
Denial?
I believe possibly only half of what I see and nothing of what I hear most of the time. Logical assessments?? That's enough to wet oneself over.
This is my last to you as I've already wasted too much time with an ignorant.
Posted by: a..incanada | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 02:15 PM
type error Colombia
Mss A get off the drugs , or get on you meds.
You sound totally schizophrenic.
Nobody 'touched up' his tickle pictures.
Those were there in a 'cahed' way before Natalee ever disapeared.
Let me explain something to YOU - ignorant one..
There are things called 'web spiders' that go and archive websitse ...take snapshots of how they are...
or were at that time and can be stored for a LONG time...so that rules out your bogus theory of someone tampering with those pictures that were up there LONG before Natalee even got on the plane to Aruba.
I do not hate Joran, I just think he is an alcholic loser. I have a right to my opinion.
I also believe you ARE boderline schizo...but I have no proof of that - other than the fact that you sound like that in your post.
However Joran's problems with drinking are pretty obious.
If I tell you I think his mom looks like Mrs. Piggy from the muppets will you also call me hateful :) ? I can't opine? Now that would be hateful.
Saying Joran has problems with alchol , and has a dim future is not hateful at all. It is realism.
Sorry , perhaps if you get back on your medication you will be able to differnciate between 'hate' and stating one's opinion
Posted by: Michelle(Diiedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 02:54 PM
Forgot to add he's a gambler as well. Gee that would make me a proud parent.
Normal boys play sports, or do at least something constructive with their time.
Bar hopping, and gambling, other than his 'excellent grades ' at school ( where him mum teaches, doesn't seem to have too much going for him.
Perhaps he should work out too! That will help him with his other medical problem...
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 04:14 PM
Michelle Diedra - who in the world do you think you are to know so much about Joran - you know nothing - where do you live - Aruba, were you a neighbor someone that personally knows the family? where in the world do you get off spewing so much hate about a young person that's only crime was being the last KNOWN person to be seen with Natalee - And why in the world do you claim to think he is an alcoholic - if he is - then 3/4 of the U.S. college population are alcoholics - have you not heard about the partying that goes on from Thurs to Sundays weekly? As for the tickle sites - hah - that is such bogus garbage - just young kids totally goofing around - if you want to see more of that go to collegehumor.com - now there is a popular site for way out crazy stuff. You are quoting total spew - garbage - against a young boy you know nothing about - I will not respond again to you because your trash does not warrant it - if you want to revere Beth Twitt and defame Joran you belong on Monkeys or on the Natalee blog - I also know people that know this family - this case is not what it appears!
Posted by: Jan | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 05:56 PM
LOL you can defend him all you want.
I don't have to know him to tell you he was not raised properly!The fact that he got into this mess in the first place proves it....
I know I would not allow my son to go out gambling ,and drink at bars.I do not have any pictures of myself when I was young gambling...or drinking. I was busier in speach and debate club , spanish club , thater, and in ballet.
Natalee was on vacation ....and none of her pictures that any can find show her in those type of situation at home.
His parents did a crappy job at raising him. He's also slightly mongolic looking. One of his eyes moves the other way when he looks straight ahead...they are to blame.
Speaking of trash ....
The sloots are the dutch equivilent of american trailer trash (in my opinion).
I don't have to know Joran..If he was raised properly he would not have gotten in this mess to begin with.
Regardless of if he is guilty or not!
If his parents gave him adequate supervision he would not be in this mess either.
Why did Anita leave her boy alone anyway? Too busy traveling ,and daddy let him hang out till 4 am in the morning on a school night?LOL WTF?
?
What kind of parenting is that? A 17 year old who gambels instead of playing sports!
What kind of values are they instilling in him?
Joran will amount to nothing in life...he was not raised properly :)
..Nobody would let their daughter marry that.
Posted by: Michelle(Diedra) | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 06:14 PM
Jan, seems this is all Michelle does all day. She starts arguing uner the Paulus thread, just before 9, goes at it all day, and at 4 switches over here and starts bashing. Wonder if that was her day at work, or an off day at home. Wonder if she's a troll?
She's in good with the crew at BFN and they are all against Dan for doing a 360 degree turnaround. They even want to stop links to RWV, and say other nasty things about Dan. I think she's a troll sent to make trouble here for Dan. After all, who can give it like she can for 9 hours straight? Who's the pshcho here anyway?
She claims she's from Colombia, but I think she'd another Bama know-it-all-troll.
Posted by: a..incanada | Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 06:51 PM