It appears that they did not play the entire interview tape in Current Affair's recent interview with Dutch murder suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot. I had heard previous reports from Aruba that perhaps Natalee wasn't as thrilled with things at home as she might have been and was somewhat upset that last night on the beach.
Likely the pressures of change, going off to college and having had perhaps a bit too much to drink contributed to her mood. However, not until I read the full transcript of the Current Affair interview at scrux did I realize Joran had gone on record with a statement which could be interpreted to mean Natalee wasn't completely thrilled with things at home.
Reporter: What did she tell you? That you can remember.
Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler's sister's daughter. I don?t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don?t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too. Now, I don?t respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, I just don't think it is fair that people, that they even held me three months, because, the fact is, that in the United States they would not even... they never would've even been allowed to arrest me. The Dutch system works in the way that, you can be arrested on suspicion. In the United States, you need hard evidence. There is not one evidence in this case that shows something bad happened. I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. There is not one girl that went forward and said otherwise. And, I only have good declarations in my name, so.
In other statements:
Joran van der Sloot: I am not covering for them at all. And, I would not cover for them in such a big case with so many people got involved. My dad got arrested, which is absolutely ridiculous. I feel horrible, too, for Steve in Aruba, the DJ from Tattoo, because all he was trying to do was really help Deepak, like, providing us an alibi. I feel bad for him that he got arrested. I also think that it is ridiculous that my best friend, Freddy Sudam got arrested. I think it is for taking a picture of a girl in a bikini. It is really sad.
Joran van der Sloot: I had school the next day. And I did go to school the next day. And I did go to school the day after. And it's just I had to go home, I had to go to sleep. Yeah, when I got home, I went on the internet. I talked to Deepak for a while. So, the police could see exactly what time I got home. They can see it's obvious, if someone were to read the thing, it is almost impossible that a crime was committed.
Reporter: But, when you left her on the beach, she was sitting on the sand?
Joran van der Sloot: Yeah
Reporter: Which way was she facing? Was she facing towards the ocean?
Joran van der Sloot: She was facing towards the ocean. And before that, I had been laying with her at the beach. And she was facing towards the ocean when I left her.
Reporter: You were laying on the beach like how? Cuddling on the beach?
Joran van der Sloot: Yeah, cuddling.
Reporter: And then what happened? You said I have got to go home, because I have to get up for class tomorrow?
Joran van der Sloot: Uh... I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day, and I thought, maybe she'd understand. She told me, "No,." she wanted me to stay there with her. Because, the next day she was leaving. She wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, "No," I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel. And she told me, put her down.I left her there. I sat down and I started talking to her for a while. And I called Deepak, to ask him if he could come and pick me up, which Deepak didn?t do. but?
Reporter: was she angry?
Joran van der Sloot: She wasn't ... she wasn't angry. If anything she was probably more.. I don't know... upset that I was leaving her there. And, I don't know what reaction she had. I don't know
Reporter: How did you feel when you left her?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, at the time, I didn?t... I didn't feel it was a bad idea. At the time, I really didn?t. It didn?t seem wrong. It didn't seem... Of course, now I look back at it and I think, "Damn, I was... I'm an asshole. What did I do?" But, there is nothing I can do now. If I could have the moment back, I would make sure that she got back to her hotel safely. But, I can't change that now.
Reporter: Ok. What is the worst thing you think you have done since this all started?
Joran van der Sloot: The worst thing I did was leaving her there at the beach. That is the worst thing, possible thing, I could've done and then lie about it to try and make myself not look bad I guess.
Reporter: And why did you do that?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, I didn?t really think something bad happened to her and I don?t think anyone in Aruba did. It is the truth. Tourists come to Aruba to have a good time and sometimes they don?t show up for a night or two and then they come back to their hotel. I thought that was the case. The local police thought that probably also thought that was the case. And, I just always hoped that she would just show up. And that is, yeah.
Reporter: What went through your mind when she didn?t show up?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, when she didn?t show up for the first couple of days, I was like, "Ok, but, you know, maybe, she's still with someone else." Then, after a while, cause there was 7 days, in between, when we gave our first witness statement and we were arrested, and I was just thinking I thought about going to the police and telling them the truth. But, I really couldn't, because I'd lied to everybody. I lied to my parents, I lied to my friends and (shrugs).
Reporter: So, you are saying that lying was your worst crime?
Joran van der Sloot: Yeah.
Reporter: Now, lying is a crime isn?t it? When you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: Lying.. I don?t think lying is a crime. Lying is probably not ethical, but it is not a crime.
Reporter: If you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: If you interfere with a police investigation it is still not a crime.
Reporter: Maybe here in Holland? You are saying you admit that you are a liar that night. You admit that you lied and and I think?. some people say that, I mean, you are admitting that you are lying, but you are doing a lot more than that. you have done worse things than that.
Joran van der Sloot: And, I would like for someone to come up and tell me if there is anything worse I did, because, I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. Never, and there is no one that can come forward and say otherwise. And yeah, I just feel bad for everything that happened. I feel bad for Natalee?s family. I feel bad for my family. I feel bad for Deepak and Satish?s family. And I feel bad for everyone that has suffered because of all of this.
Reporter: Since you are coming forward now to some degree, did you have sex with her that night?
Joran van der Sloot: First of all, that is none of your business.
Reporter: It is just a question.
Joran van der Sloot: But, it is absolutely none of your business.
Reporter: Did anything else happened that night?
Joran van der Sloot:No. Well, yes, I kissed with her. but., neither did Deepak or Satish ever had sex with her and no one ever said otherwise. I saw a tape from Deepak on TV saying something, which makes absolutely no sense. I think that tape was edited. I think people cut and pasted these pieces. I am sure about that, cause it didn?t even sound like Deepak?s voice. But, not me, not Deepak or Satish had sex with her and that is in all the documents. And none of us had ever said anything like that. and yeah I just think it is sad how Natalee?s mom comes forward and starts saying things against us that don?t make sense and are not true.
Read the whole thing.
OH MY GOSH TOM....I was totally believing the little creep until I read your post!
YES indeed why was that!
Posted by: Liz | Oct 14, 2005 4:20:21 PM
I hope this is sarcasm, because if not - you need to seriously put down the crack pipe.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:24 PM
Liz
this is coming from a liar. Think people. This is a liar. There is nothing to be retrieved from his words that have any value.
Posted by: mc | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:24 PM
Alright listen up some of you morons - first off - everyone that posted or reposted that porn link has been banned. JT and others - curb your language or you're gone. No debates. Dennistin or whatever with the "urine" this and that - gone.
Anyone who cannot allow whatever information exists without cursing, fuming or accussing - leave now, you aren't going to last. Go start your own deal. I promise I won't come over there and spread filth.
If someone, including Joran, says something it will be posted - it is information. If you can't control your ignorance and see that I post it for all and make few judgements, too bad. Deal with it, or leave.
For whatever reasons Natalee had a lot to say about her Mother on that trip. You can't handle it - take a freaking hike. And I am tired of people questioning my sources. You dont like what they tell me, or that I trust them - than get off my board and your lazy a$$ and go get your own and refute it, idiots.
Posted by: Dan | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:24 PM
Joran is such a victim.
Poor lil Joran.
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:21:35 PM
Well put. Finally some sense and compassion!
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:25 PM
VA Steve , I had the opposite reaction.
I can see how you say he sounds sincere, but that's what pathological liars do. he also says I don't know - I don't know way too mcch
They know how to sweeten it up.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:26 PM
I also heard...very early in the investigation...that one of the MB kids mentioned that Natalee and BHT had a phone argument prior to her going out the night she disappeared. This ran on one of the networks...but I don't remember which. Apparently it was never confirmed.
Posted by: sol rosenberg | Oct 14, 2005 1:35:55 PM
Beth stated in an interview with Greta that Natalee never called her during her time in Aruba.
Posted by: usmcmom | Oct 14, 2005 2:16:11 PM
Oh, that's right---beth said it so of course it's true.
Posted by: sowrong | Oct 14, 2005 3:18:43 PM
I was giving solR additional information that was shown on Foxnews. Whether people want to believe Beth or believe the MB kids is their decision to make, not mine. Just two sides to every story.
Posted by: usmcmom | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:28 PM
yes it is all media manipulation.
All the lies from Joran have been manipulated -they were not Joran's lies , they were the whole media conspiracy against Joran to make Joran look like a liar.
Joran is such a victim.
Poor lil Joran.
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:21:35 PM
Try to stick to the facts. It's not the media that has repeatedly called Joran a liar, it's the mother and she refuses to back up her statements with proof.
Posted by: Bitsey | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:28 PM
I read the "I don't know"'s as still being under investigation and not wanting to divulge information. He's 18. But, actually, I don't know either.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:29 PM
"Joran had apparently led the Mountain Brook students to believe that he was a Dutch tourist staying at the Holiday Inn. Why then, when he told Natalee that he had to go back to school the next day (and his lie was exposed) does Natalee (according to Joran) have no reaction to this lie being exposed?"
DUH! I do not believe you people. There never was a lie. All that came from a few confusing the name of the school. You DO know what that is, right??? THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL!
Posted by: Dan | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:29 PM
For whatever reasons Natalee had a lot to say about her Mother on that trip. --------------------------------
How do you know this is a fact Dan? Seriously I am curious. Is this because of what Joran said ? Or do you have a tape/voice message of this somewhere?
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:29 PM
I just don't see what is sooooo shocking about a statement from a liar.
Gosh jolly! Liars say the derndest things don't they?
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:09:18 PM
And Michelle, like you have never lied before? I have told worse lies than what Joran told, so I bet you'd just skip the trial for me and go directly to the firing squad?
Go back to the zoo.
Posted by: DrTar&ProFeather | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:30 PM
I can see how you say he sounds sincere, but that's what pathological liars do
Right on, he sounds like my ex, so sweet, so charming, YIKES I shudder to think
Posted by: Sweetie | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:31 PM
despite your trashing of Dan Michelle, I do agree with this:
I think Joran made this statment , after getting advice from Daddy.
Natalie would not say something like this...Hitler is more on the mind of someone from Holland due to the proximity to Germany, history.
It's pure speculation ,on my behalf, but this seems like an add on from Joran ( tip given by daddy) , to turn the media against Holloway.
Who's goign to say something like that ..while drunk and making out? Give me a break!
This is what JORAN and HIS father think of Beth... OBVIOUSLY She's givin it to them and hard.
the scrux thing was posted for discussion. mountain brook is and has remained totally buttoned down -- a total information blackout. all sorts of stories coming out about what went on that day and at CnC's. no one is refuting any of them, and you're left wondering why. Also, i'm not unconvinced that Joran or someone connected with him is not reading every two bit theory that comes out on these blogs and forums so he can incorporate them into his version of events - to see which one will "fly". one thing for sure, he lied. he even admits it, but somehow doesn't seem to see that as being a crime!
Posted by: lawbster | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:31 PM
Bitsey LOL I was not talking to you I was responding to VaSteve, who talked about the 'media' spin. That was what my comment was about.
Do you believe that Joran NEVER lied, and is an honest person?
He even admits he lies. So I don't understand why your panties are all in a ruffle?
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:32 PM
I agree with you Lawbster :) I am sure they frequent the boards.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:35 PM
If everyone would look closely Natalee has a large brown moe or frickle on the right arm this girl does not. She also has a large scar on her back and as sunburn as ahe was it would have really showed up. This girl has no scar either. This is only someone playing a sick joke. You can go to Natalee Holloway.com for this information...
Posted by: Freebird | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:35 PM
Dtar of course I have lied, white lies. But I would have common sense not to lie to the police. . . or I would not lie if someone's child was missing.
You go back to the zoo. Don't attack me for discussing this.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:38 PM
Bitsey LOL I was not talking to you I was responding to VaSteve, who talked about the 'media' spin. That was what my comment was about.
Do you believe that Joran NEVER lied, and is an honest person?
He even admits he lies. So I don't understand why your panties are all in a ruffle?
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:32:49 PM
It is media spin. Editing an entire interview and showing the titillating comments out of context is spin. It's just the definition. You can't disagree with the definition or the fact that the entire interview was not aired.
Sorry maybe you can. You are after all not rationale on this topic.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:39 PM
Yeah, here is some more of this "objective" reporting from Dan Riehl. I can't see how anyone can consider him unbiased in the least, given that he gives credibility to Joran's statement. In fact, I can't see how anyone could possibly give this statement endorsement. Does anyone honestly think that in between their make out sessions Natalee decided to discuss her mother? Can you honestly tell me that she didn't tell Joran her name, but that she gave him details about her mother? And let's not forget that Joran has every bit of motivation in the world to make a false statement like this, because it siumultaneously attacks Natalee's mother (his primary accuser) and also takes attention off of him by suggesting Natalee might have runaway. Given all those things, which seriously cast doubt on the credibility of this statement, how can you possibly imply this statement is authentic or put it up on the front page of your site? Of course, we will see another article in a few days talking about the evil MSM and how they slander these boys with rumours, unreliable sources, and what have you. While articles are constanly put up about Natalee being a slut or about her having a troubled homelife, based entirely or in part on the words of the very people who lied about her disappearence in the first place.
What is even funnier, is that the two junk articles I mentioned above are posted, yet you see nothing about Dompig's recent statements that the boys statements are very inconsitent and that none of their stories match up. Nor do you see anything about the recent news that the Van Der Sloot's main home was never searched. You also won't hear anything on this blog about how Dompig said that no one else outside the three boys could be involved. All three of these items I listed are big developments in this case, so why didn't we hear anything about them, while we did hear random articles about someone calling Natalee a slut or about Joran saying she hated her mom? Could it be because Dompig contradicts Dan on a few points, or was it because it wouldn't fit in with Dan's current perspective of the boys as being innocent?
Posted by: dave | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:40 PM
Lawbster it is also wierd that is was the VERY first statement out of his mouth.
As if he couldn't wait to get this out and say this to the press. I find that rather odd.
If I were accused of a crime that would not be my first statement...and if I did want to mention this , I would say she told me she was having lots of problems with her mom.
Mr Von Der Sloot knows the who rules the media, and how that might shift sentiment.
i don't mean to trash dan but I really get a sick feeling to my stomach while seeing his posts as of late. I mean Dan might not believe Beth , and it's his right to do so.
But why do all the stories about Natalee as of late have such degrading headlines, and facts? Slut, hitler, so and so.
It just seems to lack taste, and class.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:45 PM
> There never was a lie. All that came from a few confusing the name of the school. ... THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL!
Besides that, it is the TRUTH that Joran was FROM the Holland, and he did NOT TELL that he stayed at HI.
Posted by: George | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:45 PM
Posted by: dave | Oct 14, 2005 4:40:26 PM
You're a quack for your recent post.
Nice spin yourself.
By the way, is Dr. Phil and Current Affair = MSM in your view?
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:46 PM
vasteve mad props to you. You must be the only rational person on here. LOL!
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:47 PM
But why do all the stories about Natalee as of late have such degrading headlines, and facts? Slut, hitler, so and so.
It just seems to lack taste, and class.
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:45:19 PM
Oops, Michelle, a little spin machine of your own brewing here? When was Hitler mentioned in a headline?
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:48 PM
There never was a lie. All that came from a few confusing the name of the school. ... THE INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL!
Besides that, it is the TRUTH that Joran was FROM the Holland, and he did NOT TELL that he stayed at HI.
Posted by: George | Oct 14, 2005 4:45:58 PM
George, that is brilliant. Wouldn't it be more likely that the drunk kids from MB might hear it wrong and make assumptions? If there were an award for making assumptions, I believe I know who the hands down winner would be.
Posted by: DrTar&ProFeather | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:50 PM
vasteve mad props to you. You must be the only rational person on here. LOL!
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:47:07 PM
There are others. I'm just one of many. Thanks for noticing!
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:50 PM
I believe, since the evil doings of the forum in the summer, the constant criticism, slander, correction of his spelling and grammar, and the constant off topic bullcrap, Dan has grown callous. He is in a non-emotional state just doing business. I would have shut this site down by now, and said screw'em all. The amount of things that occurred in this man's life since I've known him, makes me wonder how he even manages to keep up with it. He just goes by facts, not sides. He is a "Conservative Carnevore", edicated and experienced and all of this pettty BS is insulting his intelligence.
Just because the guy has different opinions about different issues, or is saying proving that no eveidence has been laid out to prove those boys guilty yet, does not mean that he does not care about Matalee. Didn't any of you read the post about "Monkey boy Frankie", my God, if this guy doesn't have a tender heart tucked inside him then I am an idiot.
And some of you really manage to read so deeply into things he has posted that it's like tyou come from a different planet. Stop taking things out of context, and stop trying to pick fights, go away like I said before, or keep your nasty opinions and comments to yourself. I am open to debate anything, but, if you are a jerk about it, then I don't give a crap what you think.
S2S
Posted by: Sly2SmoothieNJs | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:51 PM
Dan please forgive me for harping , but when you get a chance could you answer me ? You posted this
_________________
For whatever reasons Natalee had a lot to say about her Mother on that trip. You can't handle it - take a freaking hike.______________
I AM really curious about this. Is this becasue of some footage, cell phone voice mail, or tape of Natalee?
Or is is b/c of what Joran said in the Current Affair show? I'm not asking you to be catty ...I am really curious as to how you know this really happened.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:52 PM
George, that is brilliant. Wouldn't it be more likely that the drunk kids from MB might hear it wrong and make assumptions? If there were an award for making assumptions, I believe I know who the hands down winner would be.
Posted by: DrTar&ProFeather | Oct 14, 2005 4:50:07 PM
I would bet you that 90% of the kids on that trip didn't know that Aruba was under Dutch rule. Never made the connection between a Holland "citizen" and Aruba being the same thing.
Just my thought.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:52 PM
You're a quack for your recent post.
Nice spin yourself.
By the way, is Dr. Phil and Current Affair = MSM in your view?
Posted by: VASteve | Oct 14, 2005 4:46:17 PM
Ouch, I'm a quack.
How did I spin anything? I simply stated that Joran is already known to be unreliable as a witness, and that there are strong motivations for him to make such a statement. No spin there.
And Dan has been attacking Fox a lot lately for their coverage of this case, and, frankly, I agree with him on that point. I think everyone will consider Fox to be MSM.
Posted by: dave | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:53 PM
yup SteveVa kudos to you. LOL You're so so very rational.
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 04:56 PM
Oops, Michelle, a little spin machine of your own brewing here? When was Hitler mentioned in a headline?
Posted by: VASteve | Oct 14, 2005 4:48:59 PM
If you will read carefully, you will notice she said headlines and facts.
Posted by: dave | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:00 PM
Dan
You appear to be connected to people close to some of these (ex) suspects. Why not put an end to speculation of Joran's statments by suggesting he take a lie detector test? It might start a push toward other posible solutions to this tragity. If this man is all that his friends report, he will step up and do the right thing. I know that I would.
Posted by: mc | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:01 PM
I don't think I will get an answer back from Dan ...
can any of the posters here help me out? I'd appreciate it!
Did Dan mention previously in one of his posts ?
Am I missing something as to how he got this fact? Did the Moutain Brook kids say something en lui of this?
It's very intersting if it's can be proven.
Hmmmm perhaps she did run away after all!
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For whatever reasons Natalee had a lot to say about her Mother on that trip.______________
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:01 PM
Does anyone honestly think that in between their make out sessions Natalee decided to discuss her mother?
Posted by: dave | Oct 14, 2005 4:40:26 PM
This is spin in my opinion. In my reading of the statements of Joran, he gave no indication this was discussed on the beach, merely that this was discussed during the evening.
Sorry with the quack comment. But it is spin and it is disingenuous.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:02 PM
I hate to point this out, but who cares what kind of girl she is? I mean I've given plenty of blowjobs (I mean, COME ON) but that doesn't make me a bad person or not worth saving/finding my dead body.
One thing I do think, is that just because Joran was the last person with her doesn't mean he killed her. I mean this whole case has been filled with insane rumors ("taking it" from three guys on the beach? what? how likely is that? not very), and no one seems (least of all her mother) to want to the REAL truth. She just wants someone to fry. Unfortunately looks like Joran is the top target. But his statement, just being a young person, has a real ring of truth to it. I mean, I say crazy CRAZY stuff when I'm drunk. Once I almost drowned because I decided to go cry in the bathtub, and fell asleep. So... would it strike me as strange that Natalee was upset/emotional that night, when her whole life was getting ready to change? Not at all. And do I think it's possible that she just went swimming and drowned? Absolutely. Do I think some other person might have come along and killed her? It's possible, but in a high traffic area it seems unlikely.
Just my two cents, as a young person.
Elle
Posted by: Elle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:02 PM
If you will read carefully, you will notice she said headlines and facts.
Posted by: dave | Oct 14, 2005 5:00:58 PM
Appreciate that, good point. My bad. Apology.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:03 PM
Dave your write I was typing fast and not making myself clear. "The Joran shocking statement" was the headline....the shocking statement was the my mother is hitler's sister's daughter...sorry for that manipulative 'spin'
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:04 PM
and I should have put facts with a parenthesis ( as in insinuating sarcasim.
Technicality guys .... hmmmm good one got me on that.
Messy , fast typing , nothing else ...
Why doesn't give me some thought on my question about dan stating that Natalee had a lot to say about her mother on the trip? Seriously does ANYONE know ???
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:07 PM
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 5:04:28 PM
You should apologize to me. Then me to you. Then it'd be back to you admiring my rationality.
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:07 PM
This is spin in my opinion. In my reading of the statements of Joran, he gave no indication this was discussed on the beach, merely that this was discussed during the evening.
Sorry with the quack comment. But it is spin and it is disingenuous.
Posted by: VASteve | Oct 14, 2005 5:02:05 PM
Huh? What difference does it make where he said she made the statement? I'm simply saying that if we look at what we know about him, at the least we can say he has a habit of lying at times when it suits him. He lied to Natalee about his age (which isn't a terrible thing, but it does point towards a pattern), he lied about dropping Natalee off at the HI. Can their be logical and exculpatory explanations for these lies? Absolutely. That still doesn't mean that they are not, in fact, lies though. So I can certainly see why Joran, perhaps angry at Beth or wanting to take attention off himself, would lie about Natalee saying such a thing. I'm just saying that he has told some lies in the past when it suited him, and that damages his credibility in this regard. Also, as I said previously, I find Natalee's statement to have been odd given the circumstances, and moreso given that she didn't even tell him her name. I don't think that is spin, just giving strong reasons why I am skeptical about his statement.
Posted by: dave | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:09 PM
Why doesn't give me some thought on my question about dan stating that Natalee had a lot to say about her mother on the trip? Seriously does ANYONE know ???
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 5:07:28 PM
She's a kid, far away from home, why wouldn't she talk about her mother? You've never heard anyone make up weird stuff to start a conversation, break the ice?
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:09 PM
Jody ,
Get a life and some serious counseling. You are obsessed with Beth. You also need an eye exam and some glasses. The "video" you are spreading around the internet IS NOT Natalee.
And about your constant comments that "someone should sue Beth". You are the one that is guilty of slander and telling lies. The family should sue you. But then , what could they get. You have no life and nothing else either.
You do not know anything for sure , Jody and you need to back off and take a serious vacation in a local hospital for the insane.
Posted by: Skye | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:12 PM
She's a kid, far away from home, why wouldn't she talk about her mother? You've never heard anyone make up weird stuff to start a conversation, break the ice?
Posted by: VASteve | Oct 14, 2005 5:09:18 PM
I think it would be odd, but definitely not impossible. What I find hard to believe, is that she said all this, but didn't bother to tell him her name.
Posted by: dave | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:12 PM
Teenagers NEVER talk about their parents hardly to their best friends, much less a stranger.
Posted by: Sweetie | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:13 PM
OK steve sure ! Lot's of teens do that!
But Dan is stating it's a fact..he not saying it in a general way.
This is a very 'fact' sounding statement ..not Natalee 'might' have said some bad things about her mum ...he is stating that it DID happen
...and not only that she had A LOT to say about her mom....I thought Joran said she just said her mama was Hitler's daughter's niece...and then went on to ramble other 'wierd'stuff...
How does this eqaute to Natalee said " A LOT" of stuff about her mom , unless Dan has been talking to the Mountain Brook kids?
For whatever reasons Natalee had** a lot ***to say about her Mother on that trip.______________
Posted by: Michelle | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:14 PM
If Joran van der Sloot tells you it is raining outside you had better go look to see for yourself.
He is a compulsive liar.
Posted by: Skye | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:15 PM
Stupid question that moey asked earlier in this thread - Why is it that the contents of supposed phone call home never got publicized or even asked about in the MSM? It just seems odd to me that Greta Van Susteren would have this interview with Charles Croes and discuss the phone call that they listened to back in the US, and she never asked what was on the call. Very weird to me.
Posted by: Grady White | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:15 PM
don't think that is spin, just giving strong reasons why I am skeptical about his statement.
Posted by: dave | Oct 14, 2005 5:09:11 PM
I define spin as misdirection. You asked the question about:
Does anyone honestly think that in between their make out sessions Natalee decided to discuss her mother?
So, you are implying that it's a fact that Natalee mentioned her mother while making out. I pointed out that this is not a fact, and I read it very differently.
That's spin to me. Maybe not as disingenuous as GrannyToad, as she/he is the king of spin, but spin none-the-less.
It's OK, lot's of people do it. And you're perfectly OK with skepticism. I took back the "quack" comment. What else do you want from me?
Posted by: VASteve | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:16 PM
yes it is all media manipulation.
All the lies from Joran have been manipulated -they were not Joran's lies , they were the whole media conspiracy against Joran to make Joran look like a liar.
Joran is such a victim.
Poor lil Joran.
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 14, 2005 4:21:35 PM
Try to stick to the facts. It's not the media that has repeatedly called Joran a liar, it's the mother and she refuses to back up her statements with proof.
Posted by: Bitsey | Oct 14, 2005 4:28:34 PM
Bingo, Bitsey! And the media spins, cuts interviews, and manipulates. It is sick.
I get more and more suspicious of the Twitty camp the more the stories change and evolve.
Posted by: newswatcher | Friday, October 14, 2005 at 05:17 PM