Joran Van Der Sloot's Shocking Statement

It appears that they did not play the entire interview tape in Current Affair's recent interview with Dutch murder suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot. I had heard previous reports from Aruba that perhaps Natalee wasn't as thrilled with things at home as she might have been and was somewhat upset that last night on the beach.

Likely the pressures of change, going off to college and having had perhaps a bit too much to drink contributed to her mood. However, not until I read the full transcript of the Current Affair interview at scrux did I realize Joran had gone on record with a statement which could be interpreted to mean Natalee wasn't completely thrilled with things at home.

Reporter: What did she tell you? That you can remember.

Joran van der Sloot: She told me a lot of things. One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler's sister's daughter. I don?t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to. But, I don?t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too. Now, I don?t respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, I just don't think it is fair that people, that they even held me three months, because, the fact is, that in the United States they would not even... they never would've even been allowed to arrest me. The Dutch system works in the way that, you can be arrested on suspicion. In the United States, you need hard evidence. There is not one evidence in this case that shows something bad happened. I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. There is not one girl that went forward and said otherwise. And, I only have good declarations in my name, so.

In other statements:

Joran van der Sloot: I am not covering for them at all. And, I would not cover for them in such a big case with so many people got involved. My dad got arrested, which is absolutely ridiculous. I feel horrible, too, for Steve in Aruba, the DJ from Tattoo, because all he was trying to do was really help Deepak, like, providing us an alibi. I feel bad for him that he got arrested. I also think that it is ridiculous that my best friend, Freddy Sudam got arrested. I think it is for taking a picture of a girl in a bikini. It is really sad.

Joran van der Sloot: I had school the next day. And I did go to school the next day. And I did go to school the day after. And it's just I had to go home, I had to go to sleep. Yeah, when I got home, I went on the internet. I talked to Deepak for a while. So, the police could see exactly what time I got home. They can see it's obvious, if someone were to read the thing, it is almost impossible that a crime was committed.

Reporter: But, when you left her on the beach, she was sitting on the sand?

Joran van der Sloot: Yeah

Reporter: Which way was she facing? Was she facing towards the ocean?

Joran van der Sloot: She was facing towards the ocean. And before that, I had been laying with her at the beach. And she was facing towards the ocean when I left her.

Reporter: You were laying on the beach like how? Cuddling on the beach?

Joran van der Sloot: Yeah, cuddling.

Reporter: And then what happened? You said I have got to go home, because I have to get up for class tomorrow?

Joran van der Sloot: Uh... I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day, and I thought, maybe she'd understand. She told me, "No,." she wanted me to stay there with her. Because, the next day she was leaving. She wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, "No," I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel. And she told me, put her down.I left her there. I sat down and I started talking to her for a while. And I called Deepak, to ask him if he could come and pick me up, which Deepak didn?t do. but?

Reporter: was she angry?

Joran van der Sloot: She wasn't ... she wasn't angry. If anything she was probably more.. I don't know... upset that I was leaving her there. And, I don't know what reaction she had. I don't know

Reporter: How did you feel when you left her?

Joran van der Sloot: Well, at the time, I didn?t... I didn't feel it was a bad idea. At the time, I really didn?t. It didn?t seem wrong. It didn't seem... Of course, now I look back at it and I think, "Damn, I was... I'm an asshole. What did I do?" But, there is nothing I can do now. If I could have the moment back, I would make sure that she got back to her hotel safely. But, I can't change that now.

Reporter: Ok. What is the worst thing you think you have done since this all started?

Joran van der Sloot: The worst thing I did was leaving her there at the beach. That is the worst thing, possible thing, I could've done and then lie about it to try and make myself not look bad I guess.

Reporter: And why did you do that?

Joran van der Sloot: Well, I didn?t really think something bad happened to her and I don?t think anyone in Aruba did. It is the truth. Tourists come to Aruba to have a good time and sometimes they don?t show up for a night or two and then they come back to their hotel. I thought that was the case. The local police thought that probably also thought that was the case. And, I just always hoped that she would just show up. And that is, yeah.

Reporter: What went through your mind when she didn?t show up?

Joran van der Sloot: Well, when she didn?t show up for the first couple of days, I was like, "Ok, but, you know, maybe, she's still with someone else." Then, after a while, cause there was 7 days, in between, when we gave our first witness statement and we were arrested, and I was just thinking I thought about going to the police and telling them the truth. But, I really couldn't, because I'd lied to everybody. I lied to my parents, I lied to my friends and (shrugs).

Reporter: So, you are saying that lying was your worst crime?

Joran van der Sloot: Yeah.

Reporter: Now, lying is a crime isn?t it? When you interfere with a police investigation?

Joran van der Sloot: Lying.. I don?t think lying is a crime. Lying is probably not ethical, but it is not a crime.

Reporter: If you interfere with a police investigation?

Joran van der Sloot: If you interfere with a police investigation it is still not a crime.

Reporter: Maybe here in Holland? You are saying you admit that you are a liar that night. You admit that you lied and and I think?. some people say that, I mean, you are admitting that you are lying, but you are doing a lot more than that. you have done worse things than that.

Joran van der Sloot: And, I would like for someone to come up and tell me if there is anything worse I did, because, I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. Never, and there is no one that can come forward and say otherwise. And yeah, I just feel bad for everything that happened. I feel bad for Natalee?s family. I feel bad for my family. I feel bad for Deepak and Satish?s family. And I feel bad for everyone that has suffered because of all of this.

Reporter: Since you are coming forward now to some degree, did you have sex with her that night?

Joran van der Sloot: First of all, that is none of your business.

Reporter: It is just a question.

Joran van der Sloot: But, it is absolutely none of your business.

Reporter: Did anything else happened that night?

Joran van der Sloot:No. Well, yes, I kissed with her. but., neither did Deepak or Satish ever had sex with her and no one ever said otherwise. I saw a tape from Deepak on TV saying something, which makes absolutely no sense. I think that tape was edited. I think people cut and pasted these pieces. I am sure about that, cause it didn?t even sound like Deepak?s voice. But, not me, not Deepak or Satish had sex with her and that is in all the documents. And none of us had ever said anything like that. and yeah I just think it is sad how Natalee?s mom comes forward and starts saying things against us that don?t make sense and are not true.

Read the whole thing.

Comments

[George]

Thanks for dragging it from http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_28.html to more conspicious place.

[Not a Hand Wringer]

As usual, there's two sides to every story...

Or in this case, about a hundred.

I've always been comfortable with considering Joran as the main suspect.

But, there's a difference between suspecting someone of a crime, and knowing with certainty that they committed a crime...or being able to prove a crime was committed.

So, for now...he remains in my mind a suspect only.

As for Natalee's comments about her mom.

Let me relate some personal experience. A couple of years ago, my best friend's 21 year old sister was killed in a hit and run accident by a drunk driver. ( fortunately caught and convicted ).

Her mom was devastated by this naturally, as she was extremely close to the dead girl....and they did many things together as a mom/daughter such as travel etc.

About a month after the accident, the mom searched through emails on the daughter's computer, and was stunned and shocked to see emails that the daughter had written friends, that were harshly critical of the mom. Mom was very hurt by them, believing that her and the daughter had a super relationship...that was one of being 'best-friends'.

So....Natalee's alleged comments about her mom, don't seem overly far-fetched to me. I've seen this happen in real life.

[Hallie]

Kudos, Dan! Thanks for bringing this full interview to the forefront.

[Sandy]

I'll say it again, this kid is innocent. Amazing how this Beth Holloway Twitty women in her gung-ho manner has conjured up in her peculiar mind that her daughter was raped and killed from all of this. Obviously she has concluded that

A - the witnesses in private and to the police confirm she was drunk as a skunk at C&C's that night giving belly shots to every Tom, Dick and Harry

B - someone misinterprates a Dutch word for fooling around or making out and Beth Holloway Twitty decides they "had sex"

C - Beth Holloway Twitty just knows her daugther is a virgin for a fact

Therefore, she is a virgin and she is drunk and Joran had sex with her means he had to have raped her.

Very bizarre woman this Beth Holloway Twitty.

[kathy]

re:Current Affair: Amazing... Not bad coming from someone who didn't even know Natalee's name. Sorry, I don't believe a word he says. If anyone has the tape please look at the smile forming around his lips when he was asked if he had sex with Natalee. Big Man On Campus!

[sol rosenberg]

I also heard...very early in the investigation...that one of the MB kids mentioned that Natalee and BHT had a phone argument prior to her going out the night she disappeared. This ran on one of the networks...but I don't remember which. Apparently it was never confirmed.

[George]

> Natalee and BHT had a phone argument prior to her going out the night she disappeared. This ran on one of the networks... Apparently it was never confirmed.

"Supressed" is more an accurate word.

[Jody]

Well, check out the video on the Useless Knowledge website that is supposed to be of Natalee. If it is her, she is swimming naked with a guy(who is also naked) in the ocean and she is giving him a BJ. We know from the male DNA on her toothbrush that she is fond of such activities.

I have watched the video and I do believe it is of Natalee. Look at her nose and cheeks(the ones on her face) and even the girl's shoulders look like Natalee's.

[Sweetie]

Krist sake, anyone who has teenagers knows that saying bad things about Mom and Dad to OTHER teens is quite normal, having arguments over the phone is also quite normal. The older they get the dumber we get. I think he is full of shit. JMHO

[canberra]

Adolf Hitler had one sister. Her name was Paula Wolf. She died in Germany in 1960 at the age of 64.

Now, can you tell me how Beth Twitty could have been her daughter?

Again, we have one person, Joran, who is present and alive to make statements. And another person, Natalee, who cannot comment.

[dennisintn]

if she was in such a hurry to get in urine's pants, why was she talking about her mother and school. this is just urine bulls##t, pure and simple. bash the victim and family. make yourself look pure as gold.

kind of like dan's "photos of natalee and joran at c&c's. a picture of nat. on the beach and a pic. with maybe nat's. arm. then separate pics of urine, no natalee. much ado about nothing. sounds like msm ticklers to me.

[dada]

well of course not
and notice how none BHS hand oicked media even asks her about that
But its ok becuase all we would get is some baloney answer saying
Oh greta...im not sure about that...Cant say anything about that......
But greta can i tell you again how Joran said in his statement how he had sex with Nat as she was going in and out of consciousness
so joran raped my daughter becuase she was a virgin and I know it
well geee thanks for coming on Beth and answering so candidly
God i cant believe even Fox news still reports this garbage

[tom]

Joran had apparently led the Mountain Brook students to believe that he was a Dutch tourist staying at the Holiday Inn. Why then, when he told Natalee that he had to go back to school the next day (and his lie was exposed) does Natalee (according to Joran) have no reaction to this lie being exposed?

[dennisintn]

dompig says he believes the 3 boys and maybe paulus are responsible for her death, and paulus is definitely (in dompig's mind) responsible for disposing of natalee's body.

[Jackpot]

OK...all I can say at this moment is that Joran Van der Sloot can say anything he wants to...he has,he does and he will.The thing with this is that there is no Natalee to contradict his statements...he knows this...so therefore he knows he can get by with it. Joran has proved himself to be a pathological liar. Most likely he has lied his way through his entire life, to the point where it has become somewhat of an artform. Dan I don't know why you have suddenly turned on Beth Twitty. I think there is a way to get your point across without being so critical of her. This lady is suffering a pain that you can never even begin to imagine.Joran Van der Sloot signed a statement with ALE saying that he had sex with Natalee while she was going in and out of consiousness, I find that hardly to be what I would even remotely consider consensual sex. Now you are playing it up like Beth Twitty is the bad guy and that poor little Van der Sloot is just an innocent little guy being falsly accused. I don't know what happened to Natalee, for the sake of her family...I wish I did. I am not saying that Joran murdered her, but I am saying that according to signed(by Joran) affidavits , he did rape her...and that is illegal.Whether he killed her or not,just the thought of her daughter being raped...I imagine is heartbreaking, to say the least. And then add to that the fact that the admitted rapist is walking free...without punishment...is heartwrenching. I have been following this blog since the beginning of this case...alot of the opinion that I have about it was formed from reading and keeping close tabs on the Riehl World View. I applaud you for always trying to only put out information from reliable sources and for being "big enough" to admit it when you have made a mistake,but these last few days...the way you seem to have turned on Beth...I just can't figure out where you're coming from. I mean my opinion about this whole thing more or less has come from reading your blog as you always seemed to be the one that was up to the minute with reliable information. So are you now saying that all of these people , your "reliable sources on the ground"...weren't so reliable after all? I am confused and I am not taking sides, it just really seems strange to me how all of a sudden it's like everything that Joran says is the "Gospel" and that Beth Twitty is just a physcho trying to get attention because her beloved daughter simply disappeared on "ONE HAPPY ISLAND". As I said...I don't know what happened to Natalee, but I do know that Joran Van der Sloot and the K brothers were the last ones to see her...DEAD OR ALIVE.

[truthbetold]

Very bizarre woman this Beth Holloway Twitty.

Posted by: Sandy | Oct 14, 2005 1:33:54 PM

you got it

[dennisintn]

oh, yes, dompig has eliminated all the other people questioned and interviewed. he also said it would take 2 days to tell about all the changes urine has made in his statements to the le. the nude swimming pics. were claimed by someone else a long time ago. and before you start with the "no evidence" crap, you're correct there. it's all buried or dumped at sea with natalee's body. the body no one drugged, kidnapped, raped, or killed.

[usmcmom]

Natalee and BHT had a phone argument prior to her going out the night she disappeared. This ran on one of the networks... Apparently it was never confirmed.

"Supressed" is more an accurate word.

Posted by: George | Oct 14, 2005 1:37:59 PM

Beth stated in an interview with Greta that Natalee never called her during her time in Aruba.

[JT]

My God! I really have to laugh at some of the crap you guys pick up on. Ok so Joran has made a statement about the crazy stuff she was saying. Well firt of all that isn't new information. He has "claimed" that for a long time. IN fact all three claimed it in one story. Only to have Deepak's mother spill the beans when she told everyone how they (Deepak and Satish) thought she was so rude because she wouldn't even talk to them. Yet in anther story she was acting all crazy. It was only new to Current Affair. Second, you can't possibly know if it was said and certainly not from Joran. Even if it was said you have no way of knowing the context it was used in. And all you have to do is ask yourself who is saying this? What relationship do they have to the situation? and what is their motivation? They (the three 0f them) have been constantly trying to put this off on Natalee. Oh it was Natalee that wanted to go in the car, oh it was Natalee that didn't want to get out. Oh it was Natalee that made me dance. Oh wait I didnt dance. Oh it was Natalee that was doing drugs. Yes and these three are all choir boys. Who were taken advantage of from this girl from Alabama. Give me a break! Can you people really be this freaking blind.

Then lets get to the whole oh poor joran was PULLED out to the dance floor and didn't even want to dance with her and he didn't dance. Well thats a lie there are pictures of him on the dance floor. Second, he got his ass out of bed, left his home to head to C&C because he knew the girls were going to be there. ANY guy on this board knows EXACTLY what his intentions were for going down there. Does that alone make him a bad person no it makes him a normal guy. BUT that taken with the oh she made me do a jello shot and Oh I never knew what one was before. BULLSHIT! That is a nightly occurance in C&C's and he was a nightly (almost) visitor there. Oh an I am sure that he would have to be forced to do a jello shot off a good looking girls stomoach. RIGHT!

Dan you know this shit to be old news! I really must agree you must be needed the hits to your page. You have reported absolutely nothing new in any of these posts you have only tweaked them to a different flavor. One that will do nothing but inflame the situation and that has no credibility or anyway to substantiate.

What the hell is the whole point of this Dan? Let's just say that what your say is true. Does that change anything that has happened? Does that make Natalee a bad girl? Does that make her deserve what has happened? Because that is exactly what it seems to be that you are saying. Tell me one girl on here who hasn't gotten crossways with their parents at one time or anther. One girl or guy who hasn't critiszed them regardless of how good the relationship is.

The fact is those three are the last three that were with a Natalee that night. They know more than they are saying and in FACT Joran made that very statement in the Interview. ( Some day I will tell everything that happened) If they were as innocent as some seem to think they would of been cleared by now.

[mc]

It is not uncommon for teen age girls to be at serious odds with her mothers in private. Sometimes it is because the parent is a control freak about the "goings on" and future of the child. Most pf use remember how we where as childern and though unfounded, there is a built in suspicion. The passion that Beth appears to have for her daughter would lead me toward this belief than toward smoke and mirrors hiding of a bad relationship. Less of a soap opera but more believable.

[JT]

Sandy,

There was NEVER any confirmation of her giving jello shots to every tom,dick and harry, That is bullshit.

[ME]

I think Roger and Dan are two of a Kind.. Scrux is crock and now you believe it.

hateful, evil people you are.

[Hallie]

OR the woman who spent months on Aruba with FBI, PIs, and scores of volunteers following every lead they could? I know who I will believe...

oh yeah, sorry for the double-post earlier. Stupid cruddyslow internet service. I decided to use lionhunter instead of Model 1873 on the second post since model 1873 wouldn't mean anything to you guys and lionhunter might.

Posted by: lionhunter | Oct 14, 2005 2:18:49 PM

Not going to believe emotional rants and raves without evidence. There goes BHT from the mix of credibility.

Bloggers don't state absolute truths as BHT tries to do. Big difference.

[Scottie]

Listen to Dompig's interview. He said, it would take 2 days to explain all the inconsistancies in Joran statements given to the police.

http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/natabrahms.wmv

[everysingletime]

Dan,
There you go again reporting hearsay from a self professed LIAR regarding a girl who can not come to her own defense. You are a disgrace! Who is flitting your bill? What a power trip you are on!

[Sly2SmoothieNJs]

i can't belive i am admitting this but...i think i believe that snot.
need to ponder.
S2S

[usmcmom]

This whole "Beth is Hitler" idea has been stated before on this forum, though not to the extent of Hitler's sister's daughter. It's laughable to think that Natalee is going to bring up her Hitler-like mom to Joran when they are out partying and making-out. We can't have it both ways, either Natalee was partying, drunk as a skunk or she was telling Joran her life-story, including her relationship with her mom. hmmm I highly doubt that.

[mc]

You know, if I where with a girl that came up missing the next day and I had done nothing wrong at any level; yet everyone around me claimed otherwise, I would be pissed enough by now to say, "Look, damn it, I will take a lie detector test or voice-stress test to backup what I am telling you." But hey, that would mean that what I was saying was true. What a concept. We are way past "cad" and "consensuality".

"Liars lie to avoid what the truth will bring them"

[mona]

So if He knows so much about her mama ....he must have introduced Natalee to dear old Dad at the Holiday INN Casino...do you think he told her he had it made? ie his parents didnt give a shit about his pimp boys ways...what a happy island.....Quit protecting Daddy... Joran, be a real man instead of a wanna be pimp. Or rather keep talking people who Natalee and her family will only be more sure of your guilt....

[Hallie]

I think Roger and Dan are two of a Kind.. Scrux is crock and now you believe it.

hateful, evil people you are.

Posted by: ME | Oct 14, 2005 2:27:33 PM

And what's your problem with Roger and Scrux? Seems like he spent a lot of time putting it together. A lot of effort.

Hateful, evil= look in the mirror or just read your own post. I guess you get to decide who is hateful and evil, as you say nasty things about others. You're so COOL!

[Fish&Chips]

Posted by: lionhunter | Oct 14, 2005 2:18:49 PM

This is a transcript. Maybe Current Affair shouldn't have done the interview. What's wrong with posting it?

Good job Dan!

[Sweetie]

Did anyone else hear Natalee tell Joran that? Did they? Did you, Dan?
She is not here to defend herself now is she? I can say anything about anyone too, knowing where they really are.

[donley]

Oh lay off Dan, guys. Don't you know he's writing a book with Scuba and BF?

[ERICA]

oh my god. haha. ok.. i havent really followed up on this case at all.. but i just read vandersloot or wutever, his interview..k, let me tell u.. this is funny.. geez.. hes claiming "oh i lied because i didnt want people to that since i left her on the beach that it was my fault.. yadda yadda... well let me tell u, he lied because he's guilty of something.. not just leaving her on the beach, he also claims his buddies all agreed to lie together.. may i say this one thing, who in the hell (if they are 100% innocent) calls up there friends and says "yo man, im innocent but we need to lie and change our story so, it makes me look even more innocent" like holy crap. no one does that if they have nothing to hide. hes the biggest liar in the world.

[Fish&Chips]

The monkeys are loose in here. There's no Bananas, sorry.

[JT]

Erica,

Amen to that!

[Stefani]

I am GOING to throw up ! The video on useless knowledge is NOT Natalee and Urine ! Any person with an Iq ABOVE 50 WOULD REALIZE THAT ! iT IS MERELY THERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT, PROPOGANDA and we do NOT need more lies and B.S. about this Holloway mess !

Theories, guesses, whatever ! No one KNOWS what happend, and we will never know in my opinion !

I saw that video a while ago and it is NOT them. Their faces show. DOn't u think it could be lovers on holiday to Aruba or better yet honeymooners ? Get a grip Jody ! and....go get your eyes examined and whatever else could need adjusted !!!

[Hallie]

The monkeys are loose in here. There's no Bananas, sorry.

Posted by: Fish&Chips | Oct 14, 2005 2:45:10 PM

Fish,
They are so accustomed to getting yelled at every hour to go click on some ads on the website, that they are getting antsy being on a rational, free-thinking site without their instructions.

[Tom]

The Video on Useless knowledge is an OLD video it has been on the net for several years. Just some other sick F^&*k thinking they are funny

[Stefani]

Strange how b.s. draws people to this site.
Sure Urine innocent (HA!) we all (HAHA) know that.

You see the ONLY thing Joran's stories have not declared is that he left her on the beach, and....
that there are ALIENS on the beach sometimes and they abducted Natalee. Tell us another one Urine !!

[bizman]

Stefani,
No one said it was Joran,but it just might be Natalee.Maybe the authorities are the ones to best decide if it is Natalee or not.I have an IQ of 141 and I have to admit that it could possibly be Natalee.

[bizman]

Tom,would that be you laying on the raft since you seem to know how old the tape is.

[Tom]

Bizman,

NO that video isn't Natalee , that video has been on the net for several years. IT IS OLD. Natalee would of been like 12 when it first hit the net.

[donley]

Oh lay off Dan, guys. Don't you know he's writing a book with Scuba and BF?

[jkatl]

one mysterious Aruban (scubajap aka Julia Renfro-

The name Julia Renfro seems vaguely familiar to me but I can't recall who she is. Anybody Know?

Thanks

[WTF!]

The monkeys are loose in here. There's no Bananas, sorry.

Posted by: Fish&Chips | Oct 14, 2005 2:45:10 PM

Fish,
They are so accustomed to getting yelled at every hour to go click on some ads on the website, that they are getting antsy being on a rational, free-thinking site without their instructions.

Posted by: Hallie | Oct 14, 2005 2:52:35 PM

that was really stupid

the monkey thing is even more stupid

God forbid someone have a different opinion or even a valid point...are you two the "blog bullies"

great title ! keep it up dorks!

[Tom]

Bizman,

Of course it is... I will humor you though it was on the email circuit a long time ago. But from what I have read of your posts you seem to be pretty much anti Holloways anyway. So who the hell cares

[sowrong]

Adolf Hitler had one sister. Her name was Paula Wolf. She died in Germany in 1960 at the age of 64.

Now, can you tell me how Beth Twitty could have been her daughter?

Posted by: canberra | Oct 14, 2005 1:46:36 PM

R U really this stupid?

[WTF!]

Stefani,
No one said it was Joran,but it just might be Natalee.Maybe the authorities are the ones to best decide if it is Natalee or not.I have an IQ of 141 and I have to admit that it could possibly be Natalee.

OOOHHHHHHHH you are so smart...case closed ! Someone please give him the reward money

[moey]

Of all the pictures on the website of the kids on the Aruba trip, why do none of them include Natalee. I know what kids are like with their digital cameras, they take dozens of pictures of everyone in a group, but there are none that show Natalee anywhere. Has someone confiscated all the Natalee pictures from this trip?

Also, why has there never been any further discussion of the phone call/message that was left on a phone back home. Every time anyone asks about it, everyone clams up. I would like to know why.

This interview with Joran (unedited version) certainly opens up a lot of scary possibilities of potential events. IMO