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this case gets interesting-er and interesting-er.

my bet is the mom did it. is this too soon to say this?

Didn't he already confess???

Didn't he already confess???

Posted by: Sweetie | Oct 21, 2005 1:03:12 PM

not that I know of.

and what is to say he wasn't alone?

The decription of Esther H. Dyleski's services is not satanic, rather it sounds like energetic medicine which is associated with the vedic scriptures, Jesus's abilities, Chinese medicine ( this si what accupuncture is based on) and many other's. it is not a "dark art" and has nothing to do with satanism.

Dan--The Contra Costa Times has details that answer some of your questions. Scott's mother owns a bakery in Lafayette, the kid did not like his father, and his father who lives in another bay area city, had no comment on his son's arrest.

Some odd details include the fact that 3 families lived in the house where Scott and his mom lived, that it had started 6 years ago as a lean-to and that mice had recently invaded the house. Also mentions that mother was long-distance healer who believes that DNA strands can be activated to alleviate disease.

Read the article and I think you might change your mind about the mother's guilt. But she did believe in giving her son lots of "space" which may mean there was a lack of discipline and guidance.

The link is here -- requires registration.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/special_packages/vitale/12959622.htm

Good Grief! If the scary girl with the long black hair in "THE RING" and Dylan Klebold of Columbine fame had a kid: It would be SCOTT DYLESKI!!!!
What a supafreak!

is it possible that the mom did it? son was awful small... mom was the credit card theif- at least had been before. and she never returned to work after the murder- sent him to a friend's house.

what satanic symbol looks like a T? i can't find one! is it possible it meant something else?

-t-

Micha, That is the perfect description. He is definetly as creepy looking kid. Did you see the pictures of him before he grew his hair out and went "Goth"? He looked like a normal kid.

Sorry I meant to type Micah

On last night's Live & Direct (with Rita Cosby) a reporter (?) from the San Jose Mercury shared most of this same background info on the mother. When the show was over I checked out the SJM website to see if this reporter had ran the story there and found nothing.


Good Grief! If the scary girl with the long black hair in "THE RING" and Dylan Klebold of Columbine fame had a kid: It would be SCOTT DYLESKI!!!!
What a supafreak!


Posted by: micah | Oct 21, 2005 2:01:28 PM


i hope people realize that kids that dress in black & listen to the cure are probably not likely to murder anyone.
we had some of that same reaction after columbine.
much was made of the trenchcoat crowd in our media....i had to walk through the mall there to catch a bus.........people were just walking around dazed i noticed that right near the gap there was a store selling goth stuff
so there were a lot of pre-fab type goth kids
wonder how the media will treat this...........last i looked i thought nancy grace had lynch tried & convicted already

btw : what to make of the pot growing........not often a pothead commits a rage crime.....wonder if meth or cocaine fits into this somehow

We,, I guess I'm one of the one's who owes Dan Horowitz an apology. Sorry, Dan. The fat lady hasn't sung yet.

what satanic symbol looks like a T? i can't find one! is it possible it meant something else?

-t-

It's called "Cross of Lorraine". (Here is a link) NG described it as a war between god and satan, good and evil, and something I forget now and poison.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/c/cr/cross_of_lorraine.htm

btw : what to make of the pot growing........not often a pothead commits a rage crime.....wonder if meth or cocaine fits into this somehow

Posted by: chip | Oct 21, 2005 3:02:23 PM

I was thinking the same thing....... Could even be some other drug abused, like huffing aerosols. My son went from a sweet son of Ghandi to a moody, angry 5'10" 160# manchild at age 15. His emotions are unpredictable, volatile and confusing, even to him. Doesn't understand how to control his anger and raging hormones yet. Add hard drugs or alcohol and SNAP.

is it possible that the mom did it? son was awful small... mom was the credit card theif- at least had been before. and she never returned to work after the murder- sent him to a friend's house.

what satanic symbol looks like a T? i can't find one! is it possible it meant something else?

-t-

Posted by: tam | Oct 21, 2005 2:47:40 PM

-t- The kid was into GOTH! And no, I don't think the mother did it because HE has bruises, cuts, and scratches on HIS body.

I just read your reply to me in the other Pam Vitale post and it seems to me from that (and above) you desperately don't want to believe this kid is capable of this horrific act. And he shouldn't be held totally responsible for it either. Maybe there are others who feel the same way BUT! to put some of the blame on PAM? I'm just speechless.

Kin
My opinion is that he went to their house to see if his shipment had been delivered there by mistake. Something was said and he snapped.Maybe she knew about him stealing the neighbors credit card information. He probably grabbed whatever he could find and hit her. I cant explain why he hit her 39 times but my assumption is that he was scared and he went to far and had to make sure she would not get away. I think that it was an argument that went to far. I honestly dont think that his itentions were to go there and kill her I think that it just happened. He obviously has some issues with depression from reading the article in the Contra Costa Times. He needs to pay for what he has done and I can guarantee that Daniel will make sure of that.

cmroy

I don't think he went there with that in mind but I do believe he meant to kill her once the battle began. What he did to her and at the scene after she was dead reeks of no remorse, no conscience, and no soul.

Maybe if someone saw the warning signs (are they freaking blind?) and did something to help him (why the hell didn't they?) Pam would still be alive and Dan wouldn't feel like dying.

Kin, We will probably never know. He will blame it on his depression and try to make it an insanity case. It appears that after his half sister was killed in a car accident that is when he started to get a little weird. He used to be a normal pre-teen that was a good kid and a boy scout. His mother gave him to much space and she should have gotten him help years ago. I think the carving on her back was obviously his marking it is almost like he wanted to get caught. Also it was stated before by Daniel that he thought that is was almost like someone waited for him to leave that day and then went and killed her. This very well could have been pre-meditated. I have a feeling he will crack and spill his guts to the cops my next week. My prayers go out to the family.

Looks like the mother is a definite nut case, remote viewing, DNA activation, other flim flam BS. Looks like she's the one behind the credit card scams. Cops ought to look at her very closely and put her in the booby hatch, at least. She led the kid down the wrong path. Parents need to be responsible.

kin
i obviously didn't make myself clear- i don't 'want to believe this kid didn't commit the crime.' he clearly must have been at the least involved. i never have blamed pam. i would like to wait and see if any relationship at all exists between the kid and pam. this is only reasonable. and i do blame society for troubled teens being treated like outcasts rather than treated with love- they are not equipped to deal with such rage, and we shouldn't allow our kids to taunt one another. the kid's sister was killed, after which he (by all accounts) went into a severe depression (at the least). the other kids began to taunt him. this is pathetic.

to call a troubled (and possibly mentally ill) kid a 'freak' because he is 'goth' is wrong- if he's a freak, it will be because of what he did- not what he looks like.

-t-

There's goth, and then there's Satanic, and then there's crazy. Scott was just playing around with the first two, but only the last element is what would have enabled him to kill. Sounds like there plenty of warning bells going off that had nothing to do with how he wore his hair, but his mother either didn't or couldn't get him the helo he needed.

Good article up at CrimeLibrary which dismantles the myth that brooding goth killers abound in today's young society: http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1005/2102_scott_dyleski_goth_psychology_1.html

Some kids dress in black trenchcoats just to be "Matrix" different. But when you consider images of Marilyn Manson, Leo's character in the Basketball Diaries, the Columbine twins--you begin to think a statement is being made. Wearing chains and black eye-liner doesn't indicate criminal intent but it does signal a disconnect. Dyleski looked like a wholesome, young Abraham Lincoln before he took his walk on the wild side. However, I'm afraid he'll be wearing orange this Halloween!

Sounds like there plenty of warning bells going off that had nothing to do with how he wore his hair, but his mother either didn't or couldn't get him the helo he needed.
Posted by: Kimberly | Oct 22, 2005 9:05:52 AM

There are many respected members in the field but they all agree kids into GOTH are BROODING and ANGRY. These kids aren't HAPPY. They don't ever SMILE. If a parent can't see there's something seriously WRONG with them then shame on them. If a parent sees but can't get them the help they need then someone else has to step up to the plate.

I stood in line today at the Greyhound bus station to buy a ticket....ugh!

I was going to take a train to go to my aunts (I hate driving) but since train tracks are not repaired to where she lives yet, I'm relegated to the bus.

I'm standing there listening to conversations of those behind me.

GIANT BLACK GUY ABOUT 27: "I just got out of jail last night.

RUNTY WHITE GUY NEXT TO HIM ABOUT 23: "I just got out of prison a week ago, and I been drinking every night since I got out."

They aren't trying to whisper this conversation.. NAW, they are talking aloud like you and I would talk about gardening.

I'm thinking as I stand there, ok, I was a little anxious about coming in here in the first place....these people really look like "subterraneans"...and now I'm really shaking.

But I also realize there is not much stigma about going into jail anymore. No one is aghast at 2 recent prisoners in their midst. It's like "ho hum".

Is our society so desensitized to violence, crime, jail, gore, and gutter life --- that we don't even flinch at sitting next to somebody who has done "time."? Who I guess has no "speed bumps" in his brain (the big black guy had torn up his partner's restaurant and torched it) -- I couldn't hear why the runty little white guy spent 4 years in the Florida prison system!

Kids dressed in black trench coats are emulating kids who shot up a school and killed OUR CHILDREN, folks. It is not ok, it is not healthy minded, and it is not something to ignore. Just because some kids are finding it fun to do, STOP THE MADNESS. Maybe 1 or 2 kids have the wherewithall to stop wearing the clothes and the clothes are not a direct reflection of depression and lack of something.......but the majority are saying to society, this is where I have control....I have control over you/society......and FU and the boat you came in on.........and see you really don't love me! because you don't stop me from doing this.

My son knew some of these kids in high school. When my son was grown up I asked him about those kids and what was their deal. He said they were searching for "control" in their lives - their lives were out of control.

Their parents were divorced or divorcing.......they had plenty of money but they weren't "hungry" for an education or anything. But they wanted a parent's attention and love. Love meaning a parent saying: "Look, take the crap off. By the way, we're going fishing this afternoon, make some sandwiches - yeah, just you and me!" :))) and give them a big smile.

Kids only "buck" you to get your attention - even though it may be a negative response - they want the response. And you must be consistent/giving the same message each and every time. And it has to be given with love.

ustt..Once they taste that control many of these kids don't want to give it up. Not even when that love you talk about is there for the taking. Then what?

hey everybody
i was a friend of scott dyleski's
he was an intelligent kid once you actually took the time to talk to him. i wasnt a loser,geek,nerd or so called goth.i was a prep if you would classify me
therefore me and scott's friendship defied practical assumptions. he was a very bright kid, he had dreams, he wanted to be a sound engineer.he was polite, he would hold doors for women and girls. he would dress different for the sole reason that everybody classified him that way
he didnt fit into one specific category so they stuck him oin the misfit category, but he was really a kid. not a raw piece of meat who deserves the electric chair, but a kid. it seems that less and less people can wrap their heads around the fact that he is 16 years old. we all make mistakes. yes his is unexcusable and yes it was larger than most people's mistakes but it was still a mistake, as for the notion that scott carved a "gothic" cross on miss vitales back. it was probably a lorraine cross. he enjoyed the sentimitism from it.it was used in the french resistance and he had pride in it. thats my guess as his friend. He really was a nice kid. many kids just want a headline in the paper but never really kneww him. i feel sorry for those people. it is interesting that so many people have already started to say that he has killed her. he hasnt even gotten a court date yet, no evidence, and no conviction. where is justice. with so much media coverage theere is no possible way that scott will get a fair trial.i resent the way that most of the media have handled this. if anybody has any question please dont hesitate to e-mail me
redsox122988@yahoo.com

much love scott
-kyle

I found another t shaped symbol on the web, called on the web at http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm

Inverted Cross of Satanic Justice If found carved in the chest of a victim, it means the person was a traitor. The vertical line represents man's presence. The horizontal line indicates eternity past and future. The arch represents the world and being inverted is mockery of God.

The cross of Lorraine is a double barred cross, not in the shape of a t

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefscrosslorraine.htm

This is what I have read so far re: Scott and his mother. She is a holistic healer using what they call DNA Activation to heal one's self of health problems. You can type in DNA Activation and it will bring up her website, nothing sinister about it. Esther co-owned a restaurant until about a yr. ago and then went to work as a baker. As for Scott Dyleski, he apparently started to change after his half-sister's death. The house that his mother and he lived in was used in an article some time back because of its "uniqueness". According to the article the house was built with "bales of straw" in the walls as insulation and has solar panels for heat. Several ppl have rented rooms from Esther and at the time of the murder I believe there were 3 families living there.
I don't think Scott went there to kill Pamela but I believe that she may have confronted him about the mail or made some kind of comment that he perceived as "putting him down" and he went off on her. This young man apparently has some issues in his life that were never dealt with. Too bad his mom (Esther) didn't use her background in healing to help her son. Another "throw-away kid" that society forgot. JMO

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