Heed The Warnings, People

Graphic image through first link.

I can't comprehend an America, or Americans unable to commit to destroying a movement capable of this! Her crime? Being a Christian.

Do some of us really need an incident like the above, another 9/11, or a (photo at right) Beslan here in the US every year or two to keep from forgetting? Are some so naive as to believe it can't or won't be our children next?

Thank God there are, at least so far, enough of us capable of understanding the true nature of the danger - and enough brave young men and women capable and willing to carry out the fight on our behalf.

via Ace of Spades

Comments

[lawbster]

for god's sake are you really this naive?

[MoonShadow]

for god's sake are you really this naive?

Posted by: lawbster | Oct 30, 2005 2:47:00 PM

Ummm, can't speak for how naive Dan is or isn't, but apparently I am. Can you please educate me?

[Dan]

Ummm, can't speak for how naive Dan is or isn't, but apparently I am. Can you please educate me?

This is probably where we learn it's all our fault. Or that we just don't understand them. Fine, it ceases to be a problem once they're dead. And I'm speaking of any allegedly theologically, or politically driven group which engages in terrorism upon civilian populations.

[cindi in pa]

Ummm, can't speak for how naive Dan is or isn't, but apparently I am. Can you please educate me?

Posted by: MoonShadow | Oct 30, 2005 2:50:14 PM

Guarantee it will be about oil, world dominance, lack of compassion and top of the list no WMD. Or the one that really makes me cringe, It's none of our business!

[lawbster]

consider the source.

[callmeBetty]

"A terrible crime has been committed in Poso, in Central Sulawasi, Indonesia, which for several years has seen sectarian violence against the Christian minority. Thugs have beheaded 3 Christian 16 year old girls walking back from school. This Voice of America report tells how the anti-Christian violence has attracted Islamic militants to Sulawasi."

http://dog-pundit.blogspot.com/2005/10/horrific-murders-of-christian-school.html
http://author.voanews.com/english/3-Christian-Indonesian-Schoolgirls-Beheaded-in-Area-of-Religious-Tension.cfm

This is happening in Indonesia, not Iraq. It's horrible. Go kill these people.

[cindi in pa]

consider the source.

Posted by: lawbster | Oct 30, 2005 3:04:17 PM

the source? are you that freaking stupid?

[Dan]

This is happening in Indonesia, not Iraq. It's horrible. Go kill these people.

Precisely the point. People wish to keep their head in the sands and ignore the fact that we are, in effect, in a world war. That's why it's call the GLOBAL War on Terror, btw.

[greenwing]

And that is exactly why we are committed in Iraq and must support this war. The US did not start the war - but I pray that we will finish it!

[brent]

Lawbster please stop with the rhymes and tell us what you mean. I can only guess you are a Liberal who blames the President for everything a Muslim does. If your not a bleeding heart liberal I am sorry but right now it is hard to tell. I do not understand all the anti war supporters in this country. Do they not remember what happened on Sept 11 or do they not care since it didnt affect them. I also dont understand why our soldiers are being punished for burning two bloated taliban soldiers yet our media mentions nothing about all the innocent people the taliban behead and burn alive.

[Phoenix]

Let's see...... You just know there are six parents who are considering the source as they identify the heads of their daughters.

What a cretin you are, LAWBSTER.

[Pearl]

I wish all were tolerant of each others religions and those who feel none. It bothers me so much that the ugliest wars and most brutal of killings are done in the name of the Lord in any of his many faces and names.

I would think that any true believer would realize such a Lord would not be condoning the violence of one on another. He would be mortified and seeking ways of justice himself. And that isn't implying he would condone violence. JMO

[bizarre]

And the crusades happened because?

[bizarre]

dan, you're right. Lost over 50+ friends and neighbors in those towers. The worst was watching an entire little girls basketball team cry at the funeral of the most wonderful coach they had ever had, no kidding.

I think what people fail to realize is the fact that you must draw attention to this kind of brutality, whereever it may be, whether you think it is politically correct or not. When good people stand by and allow this kind of stuff, sooner or later the good people will be the victims too. Thank God we have a president who has "balls" and a military full of dedicated, intelligent people who are out there so you and I can have all the freedoms we so richly cherish. You are right, it is called a Global War on Terror for a reason, why don't most people realize this?

[splashtc]

And what will the Indonesian government do about it. We need to keep up the pressure on every country in this global war on terrorism.

[callmeBetty]

Precisely the point. People wish to keep their head in the sands and ignore the fact that we are, in effect, in a world war. That's why it's call the GLOBAL War on Terror, btw.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 30, 2005 4:01:19 PM

Call it whatever you want, but most of our "assets" are all in Iraq. Iraqi citizens are dying in great numbers, as we challenge all terrorists to duke it out there...... How many peacekeeping forces have we deployed to confront the murderers in Indonesia? Jakarta has been very bloody for a long time. How many did we send to Breslan? Russia has been bloody for a long time.

There was no mistaking WW1 and WW2 by the media, or the military forces at play. The battle arena was clearly defined. Yet, vaguery abounds with this one...... and we recently refused to define 'terrorism' for the purposes needed for deployment of UN peacekeeping forces. Just keeping our options open?

Let's hope that the gambit plays out to improve the quality of life in the Middle East..... We are obligated to see this thru. Maybe a democratic corridor from Turkey to the Indian Ocean will be just the ticket for future peace in this region. How will that stop Terrorism worldwide? And I'm not trying to be a smarta$$. I'd really like to know.

[Dan]

How will that stop Terrorism worldwide? And I'm not trying to be a smarta$$. I'd really like to know.

People want a quick fix to things - Hitler ha da run for several years, even before the war. And that was dealing with an oranized state. Radical islam seeks such a state. The best way to deprive them of that is ensure a state isn't open to them, or left rudderless for them to move into. If democracy can be established in Iraq, it will be at the ceter of their universe - a universe that, along with westerners, has held to the position that democracy can't work in that part of the world. If Iraq succeeds and excels, as it likely would, socially as well as economically - it will act as a motivation, not for governments, but for people throughout the greater middle east to see that there is another road to follow for them as much as anyone else.

Yse, it is a struggle that will last decades, ideologically, though not always militarily. But without a proven road map to democracy, the effort can't even really begin. We certainly can't hold up Isreal as an example to the arab or muslim world. Iraq can be that example - and it is needed. Iran and Syria know that. WHy else do you think they are determined to undermine Iraq? It is the best hope to put an end to totalitarianism in that part of the world in perhaps one generation.

[Aunt Em]

I consider you a friend and a neighbor at this point, but JESUS do I disagree with you on this point.

We are making them hate us even more, giving them reason and if you think about it GOOD reason to hate us much like most of the world.

That picture is horrible, terrorists are horrible. Just admit we have made mistakes. For example going after a country that has nothing to do with our worst terrorist attack in history. Everyone seems to have forgotten about OBL.

Fuck Hussein, there are worse and there will be worse dictators in history and in our future, our job is to make sure it doesnt happen to our country.

[junius]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2781.htm

His crime? Being an Iraqi.

[Shell]

There has been under-reported genocide against Christians for the past few decades. Before Bob Geldoff inspired the world to fund a terrorist government in the guise of entertainment and stage for has-been bands, the government slaughtered 100,000 Christians, starting with all ministers and their families. Genocide against Christians is massive, and the enemy considers anyone not lifting their butt in the air to bow to Allah, an infidel. If these monsters can feel like they're serving their god by chopping off Christian children's heads, don't complain to anyone when they ask you to take their MARK or lose your head.

THE TIME IS DRAWING NIGH. How much clearer can it get, and those who are blind will continue to stumble, and the mockers will laugh like hyenas until it is their turn on the chopping block. Of course if they take the mark, they will show it off proudly, like a new tattoo. Better cherish it while you got it. You only get three and a half years after that....

JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS. READ THE BIBLE.

Thanks you Dan for being a voice in the wilderness.
Blessed are those who hear the horns in the distance. Gabriel is ready to play...

[New Creature]

Okay, I don't get it... I'm what some may call a "Radical" Christian right-wing conservative, but a little Muslim school girl in pigtails is still just as precious and beautiful as a little christian school girl in pigtails. Just as worthy of life, and love, and joy!!! Just as precious a life...worth protecting as much as my own. Even though, I disagree with their religion, they are no less human...no less remarkable...no less valuable.

I'm just sick to my stomach. How can a person behead a precious child--in the name of "God"? Please, help me understand this? This god is hidious!!! Islam preaches giving your life and taking the lives of others for Allah.....Christianity preaches that God gave his life for mine.

Two totally different "gods".

[callmeBetty]

JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS. READ THE BIBLE. if they take the mark, they will show it off proudly, like a new tattoo.

Posted by: Shell | Oct 30, 2005 7:02:29 PM

What are you talking about? I'm a Christian too, but not an Armageddon worshipper. What mark? Speak english, not bible please. I don't see much 'hand of God' in these events, just the dirty hands of evil godless men..... who think they're G-O-D and are willing to capitalize on interpreting the Koran and Bible to each their own version of hell. Whose side is God on, pray tell......

[Phoenix]

We didn't invade Iraq because of WMD. That was the story the administration gave, but the real reason is one the American people and congress would not have gone for. We need a military base in the Levant. Considering there are at least five nuked-up countries surrounding that area, it behooves us to have a base there in case one of those rogue countries sets out to aim their sights on America. As well, Israel needs a refueling stop on the way back from bombing Iran back into the Stone Age. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have rearranged all our military bases to fit the needs of the 21st century troublespots. Our neo-cons have futuristic vision. It is too bad the average person sees the world on a daily continuum of geopolitical events and not what the future holds for us if we don't make our presence in the Levant a permanent presence.

Iraq is the medium. Our presence there is the message.

[Aunt Em]

And nut jobs like Phoenix are the reason that most of us dont know the REAL reason we are there, because NO WAY that would have gotten approved.

[Phoenix]

Reread it, Auntie Em....... I said that scenario would not have gotten approval by congress or the American people - that's why they used the WMD 'crisis' scenario. You watch and see whether or not I am a 'nut job'. The future will prove me right.

As well, why would some unheard of, commoner like ME possibly be the reason you don't know the REAL reason we are there? ha ha ha ha....

Anyway, I just told you the real reason.

[Aunt Em]

so phoenix you are willing to admit that the right wing lied to get our children to die for a war? One that they thought was worthy of a war?

2000 of our dead, countless Iraqi citizens dead.

Anyway, I think anyone who thinks like you is to be ignored. Call me a liberal if you want. Dan does. Doesnt make me one anymore than me calling Dan a right winger makes him one. Its teasing. YOU are truly scary.

[Aunt Em]

And for the record. Not even my 4 year old godchildren/niece and nephew nall me AUNTIE.

They are too mature for that. When they were babies they called me Emmie. But never Auntie. Thats kinda creepy.

[callmeBetty]

Iraq is the medium. Our presence there is the message.

Posted by: Phoenix | Oct 30, 2005 7:24:16 PM

Phoenix, you going to make me cry, you're so logical............ Glad to know that some people can still think for themselves. And I'm right behind you. Like any of us chose this scenario.....

[Brent]

Junious thanks for the pictures of the Iraqi boy wounded with no arms. The little boy says he dreamed of being a soldier but they left out he wanted to continue killing innocent americans and upholding his Muslim teachings. I could show you 3000 people his Muslim teachings killed from Sept 11 but you probably have seen them already. If you want to see how great the Muslims are just look at the topic Dan posted about Muslims cutting the heads off three little girls because they were christians. Dont start posting pictures of dead or mangled Iraqis on here because most of us dont care anymore what happens to the people who want to destroy this country.

[Phoenix]

Am I saying the administration mislead us in order to go to 'war' in Iraq? I think that's exactly what I said. Considering what is at stake - the complete annihilation of Israel and any of those nuked-up countries surrounding the Levant sending a nuclear weapon our way..... we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people killed. I doubt Saddam Hussein would have willingly allowed us to set up a military base in his country.....

I don't care if you're a liberal or a conservative. That has nothing to do with me. You can call me scary if you want,...that also has nothing to do with me. What you could think about is the need for us to have a base there to keep those would like to kill us away from American soil. Israel also needs our protection, and, it is likely Israel will take care of Iran for us. We just need a base there to help in this war on terror. To not have a base there would be ridiculous.

god...I sound like Bill O'Reilly. What say you? :)

[Dan]

We are making them hate us even more, giving them reason and if you think about it GOOD reason to hate us much like most of the world.

SO it's okay for them to simply hate us enough to take out the twin towers, that we can deal with, but God forbid they hate us more because we are going after them? I don't understand that position at all. It gave the world Hitler in a sense.

Maybe the media has succeeded in convincing people the average Muslim supports the jihadist, it isn't so. We are not at war with a religion, it's a perverted sect of it and allowing that boil to fester without lancing, only permits it to grow.

[jrb]

People want a quick fix to things - Hitler ha da run for several years, even before the war. And that was dealing with an oranized state. Radical islam seeks such a state. The best way to deprive them of that is ensure a state isn't open to them, or left rudderless for them to move into. If democracy can be established in Iraq, it will be at the ceter of their universe - a universe that, along with westerners, has held to the position that democracy can't work in that part of the world. If Iraq succeeds and excels, as it likely would, socially as well as economically - it will act as a motivation, not for governments, but for people throughout the greater middle east to see that there is another road to follow for them as much as anyone else.

Yse, it is a struggle that will last decades, ideologically, though not always militarily. But without a proven road map to democracy, the effort can't even really begin. We certainly can't hold up Isreal as an example to the arab or muslim world. Iraq can be that example - and it is needed. Iran and Syria know that. WHy else do you think they are determined to undermine Iraq? It is the best hope to put an end to totalitarianism in that part of the world in perhaps one generation.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 30, 2005 6:08:11 PM

Well put Dan...thank you.

There have been more people killed by religious folk convinced of their righteousness than of any other so called reason. Yes, I do include communism in the same religious basket.

This isn't 'our' fault. These people kill cause they believe that it is just to do so. There's no debate possible. It's a war. We either win or we lose.

Dan's right, Israel is not an example for the Islamic world. It's a socialist state. A democratic socialist state but socialist. Arguably it needs to be because it is threatened from all sides but read back to the philosophical progenerators of Israel...they did have socialism in mind.

A free, capitalist Iraq will be a Reaganeque beacon to, I believe, the vast majority of ordinary muslims.

To the beheaders of this young Catholic girl, and those that give them aid and comfort, death.

jack

[b]

i hear you dan, if it is not the "average muslim" (which I so desperately want to believe) as you say and just a "perverted sect" then why haven't their religious leaders been loudly denouncing and actively working against anyone supporting this radical view of their religion?

[callmeBetty]

They are "b"...... You just don't have people writing about it or talking about it very much. If it bleeds it leads pal. Controversy is good for ratings. And recruiting.

[Phoenix]

b,

One reason is that these extremists kill their own. These terrorists are all over the globe, so it's not as if any Muslim is safe if he speaks out.

[frenchymom]

If we did not have a military force ready to strike, and if we weren't willing to stand up for the freedom we believe in then our great nation could be subject to this same type of terroristic activity.

I am thankful everyday that my children don't know what it's like to fear being in the middle of a true war while walking down the street or fear their homes getting blown apart or families killed while they sleep. Yes, some smaller versions happen here but we are still pretty protected and naieve about what really happens in other places.

Thank you Dan for helping folks to remember this

[callmeBetty]

Posted by: frenchymom | Oct 30, 2005 9:33:46 PM

Tell the Iraqi mom putting her terrified child to bed how thankful you are. What did she ever do to you? Are we so special? What freedom are we defending over there - PLEASE explain it again, slowly. Make me an idiot. There is nothing I would rather be wrong about.

So far, Phoenix is the only person around who makes any sense to me. Everything else just sounds like so much self-righteous clucking and idle porch talk. Yup, we're great, they better not mess with us, uhuh uhuh. Pass me a beer.

[junius]

I've got some bad news for you Brent, as bad a man as Saddam is, he never attacked this country. We attacked Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 either,sorry to tell you. Neither did that 12yr. old boy or his father or his mother or his brother or his unborn sibiling. Somehow you believe that 3,000 innocent Americans are worth more than 100,000+ innocent Iraqis? That is some twisted logic you got there. Oh let me guess, those Iraqis are just "collateral damage", right?
And as far as that boy wanting to be a soldier, I'm sure there are a lot of little Americans boys who want to be a soldier when they grow up, but that doesn't automatically mean they want to build "naked pyramids" or put leahes on prisoners like dogs.

[Shonane]

I am not a psychic, but I do just know things sometimes. Hope that I am wrong. I think ever thing is getting ready to BLOW in the Mideast. The tension is incredible right now. It will begin like mini eruptions in different places - Iran, Syria, not sure who all will be involved. Glad Israel is strong. There is the potential of nuclear weapon use.

We - the US - will not be able to withdraw from Iraq for a long time. The Iraqi people must turn on the terrorists that have come there and so wantonly kill their innocents, creating a horror for their everyday existance.

Pheonix is right about why we - US - went to Iraq. Do a search and read the Project for a New American Century. It is not a secret, and has been out there for all to see for years.

[frenchymom]

To CallmeBetty....
I think you may want to re-read my post. It's clear you disn't read it or weren't able to comprehend it. For the record, I said nothing about Iraq, nor about our being there. Your comment about "what did she ever do to you" is not only judgemental and unwarranted but totally non-responsive to my post.

My husband has been in the military for 23 years, I'm fully aware of what being ready means. I'm also aware of what sacrifice is. I live in the states because I choose to, NOT because I have to, NOT because I was born here, but BECAUSE I believe my children and I are safer here than in many other parts of the world and also because I value freedom for all people. So please, stop the high and mighty until you have all of the facts.

[TheAlamo]

Well, I guess I better toss in my .02.
I was originally against the Iraq war. Not Afghanistan, but Iraq, since we know for sure there was no Iraqi involvement in 9-11, and...since we put Hussein there in the first place.
That being said, we cannot turn back now. We must stay the course. My concern is not the terrorists. (and I am not minimizing them--they all deserve death) I am concerned with the Russian and Chinese backing of the terrorists. I am concerned that we are spread out in over 40 (I actually read 112) countries across the globe. We are sitting ducks when the time comes-AND IT WILL- for the Russians and Chinese to step in. This whole game is funded and armed by them for the epxress purpose of stringing us out and wearing us down before they hit us.
(BTW...anybody who thinks the communists in Russia all became "wonderful guys"---please--spare me, or that the Chinese murderers are our friends....please, go eat some ice cream and come back if you wake up).

What are we doing to prepare for that? Downsizing our militry, and leaving our borders wide open. Personally I take these idiotic circumstances as an act of treason against our nation by the president and congress. Anybody who thinks you enter a war, and downsize your military at the same time, and leave your borders wide open, is living in a fantasy world.
Same goes for anyone who thinks the "terrorists" are honorable, and will not sneak across the border.
Let's get on with it. Kill the bastards and get it done, cause we have the Russians and Chinese to worry about.

[Dan]

Tell the Iraqi mom putting her terrified child to bed how thankful you are. What did she ever do to you? Are we so special? What freedom are we defending over there - PLEASE explain it again, slowly. Make me an idiot. There is nothing I would rather be wrong about.

Betty, why not ask that Iraqi mother how she felt raising a beautiful daughter knowing full well that either walking down the street or sitting in school she might be plucked out from the masses at any point to be degreaded and used by Saddam's sons, or any other number of pigs in his so-called administration. Have you read anything about what life was like in Iraq befroe the war? How many died for whatever reason their great leader decreeded?

How quickly some have forgotten the mass graves, the asorted skulls our forces have never been able to fully identify as people who simply disapeared inside a fetid regime. Perhaps some just referred it because, no matter that 100's of tousands died at the hands of Saddam - at least we didn't have to see and hear about every evening on the television news.

Sorry, but placing my hands over my ears and eyes has never seemed to be a very compassionate position for me. And the only response I usually get from the hard left on that point is why not here, and why not there, too - which is not about dealing with the issue at all. Running down someone for doing something because they can't do it all is hardly a rationale antidote to evil, IMO.

I'm glad that after too many years of absolute appeasement and neglect, we've fnally begun to confront this danger somewhere. And that before it becomes even more entrenched here.

[TheAlamo]

What are you talking about? I'm a Christian too, but not an Armageddon worshipper. What mark? Speak english, not bible please. I don't see much 'hand of God' in these events, just the dirty hands of evil godless men..... who think they're G-O-D and are willing to capitalize on interpreting the Koran and Bible to each their own version of hell. Whose side is God on, pray tell......

Posted by: callmeBetty | Oct 30, 2005 7:20:44 PM

Betty, do a search on bio-chips. They have already implanted some in volunteers, the most notable case was a family in Florida--and it made big headlines. Right now it is voluntary, but with money backed by nothing, and an insurmountable debt, you might just see those things change.
(Also, the militry forces are being aligned right now for the Armegeddon that you may be giving too much discount to--check out the geography and the political alignements.....this is exactly why I keep harping on the Russian input....it is there)

[frenchymom]

Alamo and Dan, Wow...you guys certainly have a way with words... Thanks for saying so well what many like myself feel but don't always say so well.

While I hate discussing politics, I too believe we must now stay the course and fight for those who have no real way to fight for themselves. The terrorism that we have personally dealt with is but a small slither of what is to come. We must remain a strong nation and try at all cost to avoid becoming divided to the point that we aren't watching our "back doors" so to speak.

It is easy for us to become victims and be taken advantage of and/or terrorized when those doing the terrorizing feel we are so busy with
in-fighting that we aren't paying attention.

Just my two cents on this late Halloween evening.

[paul]

Fine, it ceases to be a problem once they're dead. And I'm speaking of any allegedly theologically, or politically driven group which engages in terrorism upon civilian populations.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 30, 2005 2:54:15 PM

Do you mean that the descendants of fine Christians in the US who supported killing Indians and enslaving blacks shouls be liminated?

Are you volunteering to be the first to go?

Do you count the Christians and Moslems that US supported Israli terrorism accomplishes. Oh but the Jew is a "good" terrorist too.

Jews Kill Christians Christians kill Jews Moslems kill Jews and Christians and they blame it on God or an atheist.

Since religion and god have had several thousand years to solve the problem of killing each other about matters of faith whay not put the problem in the hands of someone else. These people are not going to solve it.

[geek_gurl]

New Creature: Okay, I don't get it... I'm what some may call a "Radical" Christian right-wing conservative, but a little Muslim school girl in pigtails is still just as precious and beautiful as a little christian school girl in pigtails. Just as worthy of life, and love, and joy!!! Just as precious a life...worth protecting as much as my own. Even though, I disagree with their religion, they are no less human...no less remarkable...no less valuable.

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Unfortunately, a lot of those cute little muslim girls (who don't wear pigtails, btw, but covered up in a headscrarf) are being taught that Americans and the Jews are satan. And that OUR children, including muslims that don't believe as they do should be killed.

Sorry, if they're going to put up the survival of MY children vs. the cute little muslims with suicide bombs, I choose we blow them up FIRST!

Any group that sends their children off as suicide bombers to kill innocents needs to be wiped out...with extreme prejudice.