Fawley: I Restricted Her Breathing During Sex

I've been questioned recently about this post on Thought Printing. As in, How could I post it if I wasn't sure Joran was guilty? Frankly, I debated Dr. Hodges, but he is a licensed psychiatrist and I'm not. My posting his theory doesn't make it mine. However, I'm also not the expert to refute it. And I find the underlying concept behind it very compelling.

In layman's terms the theory would be that when we manufacture lies, elements of the truth impact upon the types of lies we manufacture. So ... I'm thinking, it's now safe to assume that Ben Fawley's abduction story was a lie. In that story he stated that they placed a plastic bag over his head. Didn't happen. But, given Fawley's statement, we would also expect if it were possible to determine a cause of death, it would be suffocation - as Fawley has attempted to rationalize that being the cause of Taylor Behl's death with his rough sex statement. See where I'm going?

Fawley never had a plastic bag placed over his head. Thought Printing - I'm thinking Taylor Behl did. But I sure can't prove it.

Fawley, over the objections of his lawyer, summoned police to the jail to talk Wednesday night. Sources said he described the 17-year-old girl's death as an accident that occurred when he restricted her breathing during the encounter.

Fawley said they were near a beach in rural Mathews County, about 70 miles east of Richmond in the early hours of Sept. 6, the sources confirmed.

Comments

[Cindi in PA]

Dan, I keep going back to reports from others he had dated, about his ability to go from normal to angry, choking. I don't buy this was a sexual act. And if it was, he was like a kid playing with matches, no clue of what the real danger could be.

[absynth_minded]

We all know that skulz likes matches. Part of the allure is the danger that you can get burned.

[withheld]

sorry for the double post

OK, you are all missing the big picture here.
Ben trolls online for girls at the same time he is in a relationship with Erin. He stumbles on Taylor's blogs in November 2004 and posts to her at a point in time when she is depressed and saying she is not going to post anymore because no one cares. She replies back to him in February 2005. They have various encounters from April to August 2005, all non-sexual.

During this same period the falling out with Erin occurs, Ben had been at the property where Taylor was found with Erin and had shot pics of Erin there for a porn site.

The night Taylor disappeared, she was going to do something highly illegal, that activity was going to the property with Ben to take pictures in the same poses as Erin, but clothed, the purpose being to help piss Erin off when she saw the pictures and the background and Taylor, or so Taylor thought.

Taylor's willingness to go with him led him to believe their was more interest in him than was actually there on Taylor's part.

When they got there, after taking some pictures Ben tried to get her to do more than she wanted, things escalated, Erin was raped, and obviously killed. She was strangled. I also think she fought back and hit him with the tripod.

She was strangled by his hands, he has a history of doing this in the past.

Being a loser with no cash, he was forced to use his gas card to fill the car. He parked the car in one of his haunts in Richmond and played the concerned friend. He then figured the car would be linked to him if found, probably due to pictures of the area where it was parked being on one of his web sites, so THEN he put the tags on it and parked it 2 blocks from his old house.

The scent the dogs picked up was not the guy they arrested for drugs, it was Ben's scent going towards his old residence a few blocks from the car and near this other guys house. From there Ben used some mode of transportation to his current resident about 2 miles away or less.

This was the exact same area where he was mugged the day after Taylor dissapeared. Lots of activity on this block, her car, his mugging, his previous residence, all comfortable surroundings but not near his current residence.
The car was probably hidden within blocks of here as well. Probably a warehouse or such.

The reason for his sudden info on hiding her body is two-fold, to avoid the death penalty, and to prevent the discovery of the one piece of evidence that will HANG HIM. The camera and the tripod.

Ben took pictures of what he did to her, and he may have been in the pictures as well.

The one thing in his statement that never made sense to some of us, I was mugged, they took my cash, my camera and my tripod. TRIPOD ? Why was he carrying a tripod at 5 am 2 miles from his current house in an alley 1 block from his previous house and in the same area where all these other coincidences occured ?

Answer, he wasn't, but he is really stupid and felt he had to explain why he no longer had his camera and tripod in case they were found where he hid them, remember, his story is he was set up and THEY took his camera and tripod, so THEY must have taken whatever pictures are found on the film because THEY are trying to frame him.

Problem is, THEY do not exist now that he is admitting to things, and that means HE took the pictures, so this is the other reason in his mind, stop the evidence gathering and discovery process with this new lie about rough sex before someone finds the camera he hid.

I knew all along he did this, he admitted to having sex with Taylor the night she disappeared to explain his DNA away, he knew hew was admitting to statutory rape in Virginia, but that was better than rape and murder. That was the first nail in his coffin.

Taylor NEVER had consensual sex with Ben and there is NO evidence to the contrary. The entire line in the blogs about crawling in the bed and about still being curious is completely innocent on Taylor's part and has to do with being curious about the new bed he made in July that had been outfitted with hardware to allow someone to be restrained on it. It was this bed that the BDSM photo shoot by another photographer was produced with Ben watching leeringly nearby.

We need to find the camera and tripod, they were his trophy, he did not destroy them, they are in a protective device like a trash bag and hidden somewhere on the route back from the crime scene to Richmond, I believe they will be found more than 3 miles from the crimes scene but well before the gas station he fueled up at.

I think the reason he had to hide the camera and tripod, instead of just taking out the film or memory card, is that the items ended up with DNA or blood on them and he did not want to take the chance of trying to clean them himself, anyone watching CSI knows you can never get it COMPLETELY clean, so the only safe thing to do was to hide it all.

If he had destroyed them by throwing them in a river or an incinerator, he would have had no reason to mention them in his mugging story, but since they are trophy items that he hid that have DNA on them, he had to claim they were stolen by those that murdered Taylor and are framing him, just in case they are found.

[absynth_minded]

I think the reason he had to hide the camera and tripod, instead of just taking out the film or memory card, is that the items ended up with DNA or blood on them and he did not want to take the chance of trying to clean them himself, anyone watching CSI knows you can never get it COMPLETELY clean, so the only safe thing to do was to hide it all.

Posted by: withheld | Oct 15, 2005 1:39:30 AM

Your story paints him as a dumb criminal, but then you give him that kind of credit?

I wish people would announce when they were speculating and not pretending to have inside information..

but all the same, the truth will be known soon enough.

[withheld]

Thanks for the personal attack, ala the withheld user name.
All criminals do stupid things, that's why they get caught.

In this case, under extreme pressure to get away with a crime against someone who was known to the assailant (most common), and to retain the trophy from his very first kill (which was more important that ensuring 100% he would get away with the crime, also common), his brilliant mind came up with a story that would cover every concievable attack by investigators.

In his mind he gave himself props for much of the brilliance he came up with, and in his mind this cancelled out the stupid things he did, murdering someon he knew, using his card for gas and driving her car back to his previous residence.

He was banking that between the frameup story and all these coincidences, people like you would come to the same conclusions and say, you say he is smart, then you say he is stupid, make up your mind, perhaps he was framed.

Of course, he just threw all that out the window, and without his confession, they have nothing, but again, he now thinks he can divert them from remembering/looking for the camera and tripod.

It will be found and it will the conclusive link the blows away his weak rough-sex defense he is attempting and will instead get him the death penalty.

[Dan]

Well, I'm speculating. lol But I was thinking basically the same thing in one sense - the camera and the tripod are quite possibly the key, assuming one exists. I hope LE searched those old buildings out there, particularly if there were dirt floors, porches, etc ... somewhere he may have hidden them there. He valued them for different reasons. If he could hide them inside, he would have. That's one theory - but there is another consideration. The guns. He off-loaded them to the lawyer just prior to his place being searched. If he had kept the camera and tripod past that first night, they might have been involved with that house cleaning period which included his firearms. I would like to know if he felt Collins would have been prohibited from turning in the guns to LE because of a childish understanding, or misunderstanding, actually, of attorney client privilege.

[bob]

Per Dr. Hodges theory on thought printing, is the camera and tripod disappearing real, or part of a lie? Did he have them with him that night, or is it part of his lie and he never had them to begin with?

[Dan]

Per Dr. Hodges theory on thought printing

It would fit with the basic theory that he got rid of, or hid them but was expressing it as they had been stolen. But all that is a very superficial approach. Hodges works at a little deeper later, probably requiring more of Fawleys statements. There's like a reversal effect as I recall. For example - if he says he had consensual sex with Taylor, he's saying it was rape. If he were to say he offered to take her to a hospital as she was choking, it would mean he actually prevented it - that sort of thing.

You almost present a picture opposite of the reality in some cases. You have to parse very small bits of statements and see what he places emphasis on to see the keys - theortically, anyway.

[withheld]

The camera and tripod are hidden somewhere he was assured no one would go.

They are undercover from the direct elements, but not in a building. You have to think like him, he goes in abandoned buildings, so others also do like he does, so they are not in a building. They are somewhere that would hold no interest for him, therefore it would hold true that it has no interest to others.

It is accessible by car on the drive back without leaving the roadway, almost hidden in plain site, yet not.

It is also most likely somewhere he was familiar with, but they are NOT near Richmond, because HE is near Richmond and they are to damning.

They are closer to the crime scene. It is also probably a landmark he has photographed and placed on his websites.

It will be a picture unlike any other he has taken, just as the house with flowers in front of it was out of character for his photographic interests.

It will be a remote place accessible easily by car without leaving the route back to Richmond, there will be no houses within half a mile either way.

I saw one picture that matches all this criteria on his website before the picture was removed, I believe the structure I saw was in the area between the gas station and the crime scene. I plan to head there shortly to see if it indeed is on one of those backroads between the gas station and the farm.

[bob]

Here's what I don't get about taking the camera and tripod. I dabble a little in photography, and night shots are pretty tough--thus the tri-pod. The DeviantArt stuff I saw, there weren't many night shots, other than some of Richmond. Skyline shots are pretty easy as long as you have a tripod. Maybe I missed others. But i didn't see many Skulz night photos.
When you are in the middle of nowhere---a farm--and I read somewhere that taylor had been at VCU at about 9:30 p.m.? That means they were there at what, midnight? There's NO natural light (someone tell me what the moonlight was that night) so I don't know how any pictures could have been taken WITHOUT a flash. And those pictures would have been bad, because at close distance with a flash at night you are going to pick up bugs and red eye and Lord knows what else. He would have known this in advance. he'd been there before, he knew what the lighting would have been. So why take a camera and tripod?

[bob]

And I just thought of this...if the plan was to take the pictures in daylight, the next day, that would have been Tuesday morning, Ben would have told her the plan. And knowing she was doing an over-nighter, wouldn't she have taken more than a phone and college ID? If she drove, wouldn't she have stopped back at the apartment real quick to get her purse and driver's license? After all, she wouldn't have been worried about her safety. She was just going on a road trip.

[withheld]

yes he knew what the lighting was, he was NOT going there to take pictures to publish, he was going there to try and have sex with Taylor for the first time, he told HER they would be taking pictures, hence the need for the camera and tripod. Taylor knew nothing of lighting etc...

He was intent on having sex with her one way or another, and he did take pictures, prior to the rape and during/after.

The actual rape/murder scene is in a structure on the property near where her body was found, in his latest lie he tries to divert investigators to a nearby beach instead, claiming that was where they were and had consensual sex that turned rough and she died.

He is a controlling personality that has lost control and is trying to once again regain control by controlling what they look at, and more importantly don't look at. Look at the beach not the house, don't look for the camera and tripod because that whole story was a lie and there was no camera or tripod.

[Kathleen]

If she drove, wouldn't she have stopped back at the apartment real quick to get her purse and driver's license?

Posted by: bob | Oct 15, 2005 2:34:58 AM

And if it is correct that she had neither with her, then would that not mean she had no intention of driving anywhere that night, therefore he probably abducted her?

[Daystarburn]

Has Kevin taken a lie detector test? The one that made the "highly illegal" Behl quote? If that is true, it certainly leads to Ben's premeditaion of something highly illegal.

[Kathleen]

unless it really happened at his house in his "bondage bed" and not in Mathews County.

[Daystarburn]

I am glad he finally admitted to something. The jury will be able to see past his lies, he has enough charges against him now to keep him in jail till he's dead. I am only shocked that he did not tell anyone, even his girlfriend proclaimed his innocence like she truly believed him. All the "he didn't do it" people can shut up now, right? Unless you have a new angle for going against the grain, like maybe he was mentally incompetent due to his mental illness.

[Daystarburn]

I also thought something happened in Richmond, it is important to know what time the witness places him getting gas and stuff, alone. Had Taylor already been disposed, or was she in the trunk? I think if he killed, or whatever, her in Ricmond he would say so, so he can stay in the place he has called home for a while.

[bob]

Kathleen--the early stories had her leaving the dorm with her cell phone, her student ID and her keys. Nothing more. A point was made that she did NOT take her purse. I want to say she didn't take any money either, maybe someone can correct me on that. Its all very queer, isn't it?
I've learned from poster absynth_minded, you have to listen and be open minded here cause things change fast...

[Kathleen]

I remember that statement, bob. It was said that she dropped her purse off at the dorm room. Problem is, we don't know what is true or not.

But, if she did drop it off, then she had no intentions of driving anywhere. Not many women go out of town without bringing their purse.

I've also been thinking about his "I lost a skateboard the other day" statement that was posted on his LJ. People that know him say that he is not big enough to move a body, but with the use of a skateboard, he would have no problem at all.

I'm with you, his story just doesn't add up.

[Daystarburn]

Mom says she gave Taylor $40 to take with her back to Richmond, she worked{I think}so she could have had more cash. The cops did say they wanted some 20's that Ben may have, probably to get mom/T. Behl dna/evidence.

[Muirnin]

Can anyone fill me in? I've not been on the thread.

How did Taylor die? Was her neck broken?

[Daystarburn]

I do not think there is an official, or unofficial report of why she stopped living.

[Muirnin]

I do not think there is an official, or unofficial report of why she stopped living.

Posted by: Daystarburn | Oct 15, 2005 3:47:48 AM

Any ideas?

[Muirnin]

I do not think there is an official, or unofficial report of why she stopped living.

Posted by: Daystarburn | Oct 15, 2005 3:47:48 AM

Any ideas?

Posted by: Muirnin | Oct 15, 2005 3:49:57 AM

Also, do you know if her neck was broken, regardless whether it meant she lived or died?

[LF]

the flowers tell tales noone else can

[Daystarburn]

Muirnin, I don't know, some people are mad about the things I say, I thought she was choked. Not due to anything the police say, just instinct, the gut kind. I don't know if Ben plannedo the attack on Taylor, maybe for his girlfriend, or maybe just because he freaked.

[Daystarburn]

planedo=planned.
Did hair all night, I'm not on spot!

[Muirnin]

the flowers tell tales noone else can

Posted by: LF | Oct 15, 2005 3:55:31 AM

Well, if you are one of the flowers, will you please enlighten us?

[Muirnin]

the flowers tell tales noone else can

Posted by: LF | Oct 15, 2005 3:55:31 AM

While you are at it, perhaps call the police too. This is a homicide.

[Daystarburn]

Are you talking about taylor, {This is a homicide} or just joking?

[Muirnin]

Muirnin, I don't know, some people are mad about the things I say, I thought she was choked. Not due to anything the police say, just instinct, the gut kind. I don't know if Ben plannedo the attack on Taylor, maybe for his girlfriend, or maybe just because he freaked.

Well....I'm not mad at what you say, at least not yet!!
Well, I know all about the "gut" feelings.....and I think it has something to do with her neck, too.
Although, I have a feeling her neck was broken, but not purposely. Also, I think someone else was there.....aside from Ben, Skulz, whatever his name is these days. I think the "other person" is mainly responsible for her death. I don't think Ben wanted to kill her....

[Muirnin]

Are you talking about taylor, {This is a homicide} or just joking?

Posted by: Daystarburn | Oct 15, 2005 4:19:29 AM

Nope, not joking! What makes you think I was????

[error404]

LF might be talking about the photographs of flowers Ben had on his deviantart page. I think Ben said that the shots were taken at Mathews and each one had a somewhat, cryptic message posted underneath.

[Daystarburn]

I am not at my sharpest right now, I have been styling my daughter's hair since 4pm yesterday. Good point about the flowers, but I have to look for them again, what is posted below the pic?

I thought someone else had to at least know something, but if someone else were with Ben, the what if's become endless. I felt maybe he killed Taylor to prove love or loyality to his girlfriend, although anything is possible.

[stella cotton]

I've followed this case closely and figured the "rough-sex" scenario wouldnt take long to rear its ugly head once BF was behind bars. Its really the only logical defense for an admitted BDSM practictioneer. That being said if you were really into this lifestyle and it was consentual "edge-play" type sex,in my readings on the subject there are usually "safe words" or "safe gestures" used to indicate to your partner that you wish to stop to prevent this very thing from happening. As odd as this may seem to most of us for some this type of sexual activity/role play is pleasurable. Pleasure is its purpose hence the "safe words" to prevent it from being/becoming "NON" pleasurable. I find it hard to belive a 37 yr. old man obviously the more experienced of the two in this lifestyle would not realize until it was too late that the rough sex had gone far beyond rough. That being said its my belief the "rough sex" scenario is a crock! I also disagree with the idea that TB had never had sex with BF before that night. I dont think she just climbed into his bed to test the structural soundness of his bed. She was a normal red blooded teen age girl on the brink of womanhood. Curious and trusting of BF and his intentions. From his own journal entry in regards to his love/lovers its my belief he mentions this one time encounter with "T" and I gather she expressed it would be just that-"A ONE TIME ENCOUNTER." I cant help but wonder what this thing is he says he'd like to try with T if given another chance to go there. I do not think for a minute that TB had any intention on going there again with BF. To her detrament I think she believed the choice was hers in the matter and he let her believe this til he sprang his trap. As far as the camera and tripod-if he now admits to burying TB, how can he continue with his mugging/kidnapping story to explain away the camera and tripod? I dont see how confessing would take attention away from them-If anything it seems it would make them more of a focal point in the case. If it was a case of rough sex fine-then why dispose of your camera and tripod? If in the panic afterwards you became seperated from them where might they be?-seems you would want them to be found to possibly prove youre innocence or at the very least put to rest the theory they contain proof of your guilt. Heres the entry where BF tells of his encounter with "T" and his hopes of another encounter even though hes almost certain it wont be.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/skulz67/92751.html#cutid1

[Muirnin]

LF might be talking about the photographs of flowers Ben had on his deviantart page. I think Ben said that the shots were taken at Mathews and each one had a somewhat, cryptic message posted underneath.

Posted by: error404 | Oct 15, 2005 4:25:54 AM

Sorry to disagree, but I think LF is maybe twisted, and I somehow doubt he is "really" talking about flowers. Although his posts may sound, "poetic" to some....given the topic....well one that focuses on those flower photos, considering a murder has been committed, is a little nuts. IMO, the photos really don't show any talent at all....why is anyone bothering to look at them time & time again?

[Muirnin]

BTW....if anyone wants a "cryptic message" fire and fire extinguishers is the way to go...IMO.

[Daystarburn]

i said the same thing, the pics are amateur at best, I looked at them to get insight into dude. I got it alright. I told my daughter that Taylor has opened my pandora's box of fear about her going away to college, and she is now doomed to community, or internet college.

[Daystarburn]

I am pretty sure that dragonfly is some kind of clip and edit, because the girl's finger, on which the dragonfly is perched, has it's wrinkles going in a v pattern, instead of one line across.

[Muirnin]

i said the same thing, the pics are amateur at best, I looked at them to get insight into dude. I got it alright. I told my daughter that Taylor has opened my pandora's box of fear about her going away to college, and she is now doomed to community, or internet college.

Posted by: Daystarburn | Oct 15, 2005 4:45:43 AM

Sad thing is...they are never safe....no matter what school, what state, whatever.

Don't let the Taylor thing ruin it for your daughter. That was an unusual circumstance. Best thing you can do is educate her. With all these missing girls lately, I'm hoping she will listen.

[Daystarburn]

I know it is the kids, some family dysfuntion, and the wildness, like the 70's, but I had a very close call with a man, he was 18, when I was 14, we did not have sex, he just had an infatuation with raping and murdering me. He attempted, but was stopped at my bedroom door. Shit like that changes you, and you learn not to trust anyone, but sometimes the crazies run up on you. I like the new Florida gun laws and bodily protection laws, I left too soon. Those Fawl-lowers scare the hell out of me. Do they really believe ben is innocent? Scary.

[error404]

"IMO, the photos really don't show any talent at all....why is anyone bothering to look at them time & time again?"

Nobody is, Fawley's art site was taken down about a week or so ago. I just couldn't see where LF had 'plucked' the word flowers from and one of Fawley's photos came to mind. He's probably just another attention seeker like so many who comment on journals.

[error404]

"IMO, the photos really don't show any talent at all....why is anyone bothering to look at them time & time again?"

Nobody is, Fawley's art site was taken down about a week or so ago. I just couldn't see where LF had 'plucked' the word flowers from and one of Fawley's photos came to mind. He's probably just another attention seeker like so many wackos who comment on journals.

[Daystarburn]

"Life can be stranger than fiction............."
That might be the cryptic phrase someone spoke of earlier in reference to flower pic. I said that about all this, along with others. Ben's statment made it concrete. Life is stranger than fiction.

Pictures are still there, and I found something about the kiddie porn that I missed before, will post it soon.

[Daystarburn]

Direct copy and paste from skulz

"This is the screenshot of PC #04. I got this computer for free from the guy who once lived in this apartment. I have yet to make this system 100% mine. This POS is a Dell Dimension 8250 Pentium four with Windows XP Pro. This POS has just one IDE hard drive (111GB shows), DVDR, CDR, and a 250zip. There is 1GB of memory but next to my Craptastic laptop this is the slowest PC in the house. Both PC #2 & #3 with Pentium 2's and Windows 2000 Pro are faster. This bugger is a total pice of crap. The guy didn't do anything but go to work and watch porn. I spent a week digging around and removing porn from this POS PC. There is just 30GB of free space and I can't seem to find what the hell is taking up all of the hard drive space.

This PC has a virius due the porn web pages he had visited. I killed the bug good and dead. The guy had 15 pages in word listing the websites he signed up to join so he could view porn. I posted his user name and passwords to WinMx for any to grab and use since he paid for it someone should use it. Gee I even found porn of the last psycho girl I looked to date on his PC. Yep, old Erin Crabill was the star of some porn on this PC and I didn't know till I opened the file marked "G+G girl sluts". Nice file name for it and there were about 200 video files, some of her, some of others. There were even some photos I took of this local Richmond Porn Star since she sold to some web sites. I think I will have to dump the drive, I was avoiding is as I didn't know how to replace all of his programs, and he sure has some I need like his DVD to AVI stuff."

[Daystarburn]

He shares so much, and yet some were/are blind.

[rva]

Did BF have a girlfriend during all of this?

[Daystarburn]

He did, the Hildybrant on live journal. Some girl was on there saying that hildy had broken up with another guy and hurt him, hildy ranted about her problems with her killer boyfriend. Seemed to me that maybe Hildy got rid of ex the regular way by breaking up with him, and Ben got rid of Taylor for Hildy, in the sickest way. He wrote in his journal about how goth only gets attention from the media when a teen goth dies, and that it would be sad if someone did something to get attention for goth. He also wrote about feuds between the hot goth girls and the not, insinuating maybe anymosity for Taylor by another female in the group. This was all the last day anyone other than Ben and or Ben and accomplice/s, saw Taylor alive. The girlfriend wrote about digging alot of holes around the same time of Taylor's disappearance. Ben will drop a fat dime on her if she helped in any way. All they have to do is offer him a deal, and he will squeal like the stuck pig he is.

[K]

Dan,
There is one big mistake here...the abduction report was 900 Block of W. Franklin Street which is actually just about two to two and a half blocks off of Broad Street and just behind the Village Cafe on the far side of the Fan boundaries. The "abduction address is very close to his current address and almost two miles from where her car turned up nearly 1.5 miles from the Village Cafe.

[Daystarburn]

Per Dr. Hodges theory on thought printing

Then when he said 3 skaters jacked him were there actually more people in the car, and he was covering in the event there was an eye witness?