Exporting Democratic Ideals

Or are we guilty of having watered them down in the past? More pointedly, did US foreign policy function in a manner which betrayed democracy over the years, especially as regards China? Could be.

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Well, you never know. Its quite possible. It would be for the better thats for sure.

Some chinese friends of mine that own a business here in Atlanta moved from Hong Kong 25 years ago in fear that when England turned Hong Kong back over to China that things would change for them. So they moved to the USA. They go back to visit most every year now and told me that nothing in Hong Kong has changed. All businesses there are still doing business as usual and that China did not take over Hong Kong and take control of their profits and so forth. So maybe China is learning a lot from Hong Kong and will transform the rest of the country.

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[TheAlamo]

The facts. Mao Tse Tung is the single largest mass murderer in history with over 85 million exterminated in his "people's" revolution. Fact: Twice he was totally defeated by Chiang Kai Chek's free Chinese, when, both times, the United States government forced him to agree to cease fires and both sides were to turn over their weapons. Chiang, being honorable, did so twice. Mao never did. The rest is history.
As for the Chinese becoming "democratic" they already are. They can vote for communist "A" or communist "b", just like we can vote republican or democrat...and just like us...they get the same results either way.
As for GW Bush being for democracy...he is. Unfortunately a democracy will fall from within 100% of the time--check history folks.

We WERE a republic until the people got brainwashed into believing they were a "democracy." Now, we actually function as a democracy with one group voting itself the fruits of another group's labor. And, like 100% of all democracies before us, the parasite group will eventually destroy the producing group until there is an internal revolution, in which the government will then have to use iron fisted control. Then we will be just as "democratic" as all of the other loser countries in history.

As for the fantasy of us "influencing" cold blooded communists into becoming like us...well there is about as much chance as having a snow storm in the Sahara desert. This is bullshit propaganda. Communist are criminals--period. There is no such thing as a "good" communist unless they are dead.

We, unfortunately are playing right into their hands...not vice versa. We are being set up for the kill, and they continue arming massively, while at the same time, we downsize. Anyone who cannot figure this one out...please by all means,, I have some beach front property I wish to make a good deal on.

Scum is scum. Communists are liars, murderers and thieves. Only an idiot would trust them. And WHEN are the "poor" and downtrodden masses going to see this glorious new birth into abundance....? We have been waiting for about 90 years and it ain't happened yet...but go ahead and believe it..yeah the masses in China all drive new cars, go to Disneyland weekly and are having just a great time of it on their whopping $23 a month income.

As for GW Bush and our congress wanting "freedom" for them, one need only look at the "patriot" acts Homeland Security etc., to see what is really going on here.
I strongly suggest people get out of their glass houses and make believe worlds and study some history, because it is being repeated right in front of their eyes day by day.

[Pundita]

This story came out just in time for Halloween, is the way I see it. I like to think I'm unshockable when it comes to the media, but this story proved me wrong. What blew me away about Keith Windschuttle's review of the new Mao biography (which is linked in the post) is that he brings out that just ONE American journalist (Edgar Snow) sold Mao. Not only did Snow's books 'sell' Mao to the West, they also sold him to the Chinese -- something I never knew before.

The Chinese who joined the communist party after reading Snow's book had to find out the hard way that Snow was talking trash. By that time it was too late. They were tortured, imprisoned or murdered if they tried to back out. The kicker is that the new Mao bio brings out that EVERY claim Snow made about Mao was a lie.

I was literally sick at my stomach by the time I finished reading Keith's gruesome account. To see every lie listed is overwhelming. At one point I couldn't continue reading. I had to click out then wait a few hours before I could go back. Mao was the biggest mass murderer in modern history, and he was nothing as Snow portrayed him. I guess this gives new meaning to the term "snow job."

What shook me up the worst is how one journalist could do that much harm. Of course Snow had help in the form of Chinese, Americans, and Europeans with a vested interest in pushing Mao. They pushed Snow's books. But the point is that in those days, it was easy for one person to pull off a massive fraud in journalism.

So I am very interested to see whether the US journalism profession does heavy-duty soul searching, in the wake of Mao's new bio. Or whether they will studiously ignore the role that Snow played in selling a mass murderer who makes Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-il look like amateurs in comparison.

I like to think nothing like that could happen in today's era of satellite communications and the Internet; that we'll never see another Edgar Snow. But I guess the bottom line is constant vigilance.

[TheAlamo]

The Washington Post reported that the FBI believed as much as $10 million flowed from China to Democratic Party coffers for Bill Clinton's 1996 run for president.

Remember when Clinton adviser Dick Morris told Bill that if he wanted to win he needed to raise and spend $250 million in TV ads?

The Clintons sold everything, from the Lincoln bedroom to the country's most-guarded nuclear and ballistic missile secrets, to accomplish their goals.

My question is simple. If America is still America, and justice prevails, why is this man not in prison for life, or given the death penalty for treason?

[TheAlamo]

A little more "chopsticks"

Q: Pat, you feel that President Bush and some of his cabinet members have been disingenuous about the war on terror because of this administration’s refusal to recognize a key player in global terrorism. Could you please give us some of the facts you have uncovered over years of intense research and data collection on this issue?

Pat: China is the leading backer of terror nations (Iran, Syria, North Korea) and terror groups (AlQaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Taliban etc) in the world giving them money, intelligence, training, safe haven, clandestine communications and computer equipment, WMD technologies and weapons, nuclear materials, and ballistic missiles. Yet, Bush and CFR National Security Adviser, Condelezza Rice, neither say nor do anything adequate enough to publicly expose Communist China's role in backing global terrorism.

A war on terrorism that does not include Communist China cannot be a legitimate or a successful war on terrorism.

Instead of trying to stop Chinese backing of AlQaeda and terrorist groups and nations, Bush and Rice have rewarded the Chinese by deliberately facilitating the out sourcing and in sourcing of more US high tech and manufacturing jobs to Chinese workers and by allowing and/or promoting the transfer and sale of sensitive US military (nuclear) and cutting edge, economically significant technology to China (smart bomb guidance systems).

Bush and Cheney recently publicly promoted and aided the sale of US nuclear reactor technology to Beijing. Bush and Rice not only have betrayed US jobs, weapons and technologies to China, but they have also undermined the US ally and defense treaty holder, Taiwan, by publicly telling Taiwan it should not have held its national independence elections in advance of the elections.

Q: Most people know the story of the Trojan Horse. For those who might not remember, the term comes from a story in Homer's Iliad, in which the Greeks give a giant wooden horse to their foes, the Trojans, ostensibly as a peace offering. Big mistake. After the Trojans drag the horse inside their city walls, Greek soldiers sneak out of the horse's hollow belly and open the city gates, allowing their compatriots to pour in and capture Troy. Would you say that the same thing is happening right now here in America, how so and is anyone in Washington, DC taking the necessary steps to stop the take over of this country?

A: Last year the FBI reported that 3000 Chinese front companies have remained set up in the US under GW Bush, after Clinton and China gate, to steal US military and industrial technologies. Bush has not carried out the recommendations of the Republican backed COX Report (China gate) to stop Chinese espionage at US military contractors and national labs (including nuclear legacy codes)

Condi Rice worked with a Communist Chinese military espionage spy at Stanford according to research and articles by journalist Charles R. Smith. GW Bush's uncle is the President of the phony US China Chamber of Commerce. Rice has falsely said publicly that China is no threat! Does this explain why Bush and Rice efforts have ended up helping themselves and Communist China while harming the US?

This pattern of Bush betrayal of the US national and economic security to China and other nations who back terrorists did not start with GW Bush. It started with his father, HW Bush who illegally and directly helped give Iraq US WMD materials, equipment and WMD technologies in the 1980s.

HW Bush also helped give the Chinese US nuclear reactor technology during the 1980s as part of the Peace Pearls program with China. According to allegations by the father of the neutron bomb, Sam Cohen, GW Bush also helped give US neutron bomb technology to China. Now it is possible for China to give a grapefruit sized mini neutron bomb (a WMD!) – which the Chinese have successfully tested - to a terrorist to use against the US. US ballistic missile defense technology came into the possession of the Communist Chinese during the Reagan Bush and the HW Bush administrations at a time when HW Bush was giving US scientists unprecedented and strongly insecure access and travel opportunities to Communist China.

Q: Those are pretty strong words, Pat. Can you give us some solid facts on how such treachery was pulled off? For example, one particular lawsuit that may have produced substantive documents during the discovery part of a trial so that the American people could see hard proof of how they are being hoodwinked and placed in harms’ way?

A: GW Bush personally blocked Notra Trulock's Federal 2003 lawsuit against Chinese espionage agent Win Ho Lee to cover up the fact that HW Bush and Reagan policies had actually facilitated Win Ho Lee's transfer US nuclear legacy codes to the Chinese. There is similar evidence to support Sam Cohen’s allegation that US neutron bomb technology was also transferred to China under HW Bush using the same mode, namely letting US Chinese scientists have "special privileges" to travel to China unsupervised and to have Chinese assistants at US national labs that had no security clearances.

Advanced computer tech transfers to China by GW Bush in 2001-2002 have given China the capacity to build bigger and better nukes with the computerized US nuclear design legacy codes that HW Bush policies facilitated Chinese scientists, like Wen Ho Lee at US nuclear labs, in giving to China.

The "Peace Pearls" program was started in 1988 by HW Bush and Reagan to aid China in acquiring US nuclear and missile technology and equipment. China also sold Chinese ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads to Saudi Arabia in 1988.

HW Bush illegally gave Pakistan US nuclear warhead and missile technology and this explains why GW Bush and Rice are avoiding telling Congress and America ALL about China and Pakistani nuclear warhead proliferation to AlQaeda, Iran and Syria and Libya.

Historically China has always tried to steal from its enemies, blackmail, intimidate and threaten them, and use military surrogates like North Korea, Iran, Syria and now AlQaeda terrorists to weaken and destabilize to have its way in the world. Communist China has found help in the failed and harmful policies of GW Bush, HW Bush, Rice and Cheney.